What do you think of PLA Heavy Combined Arms Brigades? I think the modular MLRS, and SPAAG integration seem pretty good for modern warfare.

I think they are very implessive

>>63938407 (OP)
i think you need to kill yourself

>>63938497
Why?

Do they share the same the same engine, transmission and suspension? If so then smart move from a logistics standpoint.

>>63938511
because chinkshills don't deserve to live

>>63938407 (OP)
what's the difference between the two missile launchers up top

>>63938512
No, but that is a feature of medium CABs which all use the Type 08 platform.
>>63938522
The AFT-10 is an NLOS ATGM launcher with about 10km range, it's wireguided to operate in heavy EW areas, the PHZ-11 is a modular MLRS, that is usually used for 122mm MLR.

>>63938517
I just want to discuss PLA Combined arms brigades, because I think they're cool, and well rounded.

>>63938512
>>63938522
>>63938584
obvious samefag is obvious

>>63938591
Retard, check the poster IPs.

>>63938595
nice try chang, but we know how you shillbots operate

>>63938522
One of them funnels Chinese government money into the offshore account of Corrupt General A, while the other (and this is an important difference) funnels the government money into the offshore account of Corrupt General B!

>>63938611
That's Russia, the Chinese arms industry is no where near as corrupt.

>>63938497
Why is there always this attitude to Chinese related posts? Chinkshill or not, so what? Chinese stuff is rarely discussed in depth and is it not relevant to the US? given the fact they’re prioritising the Pacific? If Taiwan does go hot maybe you’d have a head-start in recognising PLA equipment before everyone else, if you had engaged in the threads. Wouldn’t that be neat NIGGA?

>>63938619
>the Chinese arms industry is no where near as corrupt.

>>63938653
you arent welcome here

>>63938619

>>63938653
>If Taiwan does go hot maybe you’d have a head-start in recognising PLA equipment
That's easy, it'll just be the newer looking stuff that's on fire or sinking.

>>63938661
>>63938675
It's literally true though? The industrial output is higher, costs are lower, and the equipment is well regarded when exported.

>>63938678

>>63938678
>The industrial output is higher, costs are lower, and the equipment is well regarded when exported.
And it is as corrupt as anything you'll find in Russia. Seriously. As far as the CCP is concerned that's not a bug, it's a feature.

>>63938677
What makes you so confident? Bcuz of le tofu dreg and escalator vids?

>>63938407 (OP)
this is probably a normal thread that gets caught in the crossfire because chinkshill creates on average 3 chinkshill threads a day.
i wish i could discuss chinese military tech normally but chinkshill's insecurity and lack of taking his meds makes this impossible.

>>63938690
Provide sources. I can provide plenty for Russian corruption, the Kurganets program was delayed massively because the allocated money was embezzled, there's no equivalent for China, the closest I can think is the dismissal from the PLARF skimming rocket fuel to be sold (commonly mistranslated as the fuel being replaced with water).

>>63938721
i think they suffer from different kinds of corruption, the chinese kind being less debilitating but very very dangerous because it's effects are harder to keep track of.
russia has the "steal everything not nailed down" category of shilling where every rank in a chain of hierarchy is allowed to steal a certain amount of shit. china has far more of the "extreme nepotism" corruption where people are put in favourable positions, or positions of power, because of their connections, be it family, friends. this is especially bad when it's the political party elite doing this.

>>63938710
I just want to talk about PLA Combined Arms Brigades, the PLAGF is the most neglected branch of the PLA, but they still manage to have an interesting combined arms structure that is pretty similar to the US.

>>63938747
post hands gun and outlet

>>63938751
I'm British, I'm here to talk about foreign militaries.

>>63938755
so you're brown and your opinion is worthless

>>63938755
“I’m American and I want to kill every British person because I love so much for creating my countyy try” PF98A is a big anti-tank weapons used by PLA

>>63938751
>>63938755
calm down retards, there are actual chinkshill threads up right now where you can make fun of chinkshill and watch him pretend to be not mad, go visit those.

>>63938766
>there are actual chinkshill threads up right now
like this one

>>63938761
You’re brown and that’s ok ;^] #hashtagitsoktobebrown

>>63938766
meant for >>63938751
and >>63938761

>>63938697
No, it's the fact retarded autocratic face cultures of 1.5 billion mouths to feed without food security have no business going to war when anything less than a short sharp 3-days-to-Kyiv victory will lose pooh bear the mandate of heaven, resulting in a traditional Chinese wig out.

>>63938772
>n-no u!
you're brown

>>63938770
not really, pretty telltale sign when it's a chinkshill thread is when he samefags after 1 or 2 posts in the thread and insists that le west is weak and chinese stuff is the best and taiwan will fall and also it doesn't even matter because actually actually we'd never do anything anyway.
chinkshill and others like him are so autistic that he generally can't help but do this after a few posts.
i haven't really seen typical chinkshill mannerisms or writing styles anywhere in this thread.

>>63938762
the PF98 is really cool imo, stupidly heavy, integrated FCS, tandem 120mm Recoilless rifle. I understand why it's being replaced by FnF ATGMs, and disposable launchers, but the concept of a 120mm incendiary round being airbursted over your trench is horrifying.

>>63938653
I hate all shill posts. Ukie, jew, poo and chink.

>>63938761
If you have Irish or Italian genes you have dirty ancestors and Hitler should have killed you

>>63938407 (OP)
Doubt they have the logistics to support it, even for domestic operations.

>>63938797
What do you think pic related is for anon? the PLA has done a pretty good job building supporting infrastructure on all of their frontiers, and it was what helped them get the upper hand on India during the LOAC skirmishes. India couldn't keep up with the speed China would pop up an observation post, or logistics base.

>>63938789
>insists that le west is weak and chinese stuff is the best
Retards, every PLA watcher worth their salt knows that the wests biggest fanboy is the PLA itself

>>63938740
The problem with this line of thinking is that it escribes soviet style party corruption to the Chinese, it's honestly just not really true. The PLA is actually quite meritocratic, and their MIC companies have never really had dynasties.

>>63938790
If I’m just going to spurt out something unrelated that I’ve thought about… The number and type of pouches that come with the standard type 21 vest issued to PLA soldiers seems limited. 4 single cell magazine pouches and no dump pouch? It seems like a failure to simulate/integrate what’s necessary in actual combat during training. The fact that plates are rarely seen being worn points to this as well. The carrier itself seems fine tho https://youtu.be/onDxRfbZw4A?si=qdtiTu2BGoY1Ks11

>>63938860
>0.50 RMB has been deposited in your account
>Keep up the good work citizen

>>63938860
>and their MIC companies have never really had dynasties
i know, and i agree, but i was mostly talking about the party officials, which are (perhaps not officially) a dynasty, or large parts of it are anyway.
weird as it may sound, china's political class is very much a dynasty with positions being passed mostly between family.

>>63938407 (OP)
Extremely kino. Curious about specs though

>>63938885
>heh, academic, and actual historical sources?
>nah look at this wall of runes posted by a random Kiwi on /pol/

>>63938905
It would be less embarrassing for him if he could tailor his discussions. No one is reading that garbage

>>63938407 (OP)
>What do you think of this PLA infographic that looks exactly like that US infographic so that morons will make the cargo-cult-esque connection that if they look visually similar then they will have similar performance?
hmm I will have to give that some thought

>>63938905

>>63938884
I would generally agree, there are images of them with 6 pouches, but it's unideal to have pouches placed on your cummerbund. Their individual equipment is constantly being updated though, the horrible Type 19 boot that has a zip on the side is being replaced by a zipless version, which is much better received for example.

>>63938407 (OP)
... did they just wholesale copy the Gepard?

>>63938991
Yes, it runs on the same Chassis, gear, powerpack, etc as the PLZ-05. Japan also copied the Gepard in the Type 87. They use licensed GDF-002s from the Gepard, but everything else is indigenous.

>>63938407 (OP)
Russia 2.0

>>63938892
That's not really a black mark against China though if you're going to be arguing they're more corrupt than anywhere else. Remember that time the election was going to be a choice between a Clinton and a third Bush? Say what you will about Trump, but at least he stopped that shit from happening again for at at least the next 12 years. Most senators and congressmen are members of old political families too.

>>63938653
It wasn't like this until around 2008 when the media pivoted around choosing a rising China as the enemy of the decade. We get China-bashing just like we got Japan bashing back in the 70s and 80s.

>>63938892
That's not true at all though, Xi wasn't given his position by his father, and everyone in the cabinet, CMC, etc aren't nepo babies.

>>63938678
Russian equipment is also well regarded amongst nations that can only buy Russian equipment. More than Chinese equipment evidently, considering how few export contracts China has managed to win.

>>63939618
>considering how few export contracts China has managed to win.
A lot of that is down to politics bro, and the US actively trying to undercut Chinese weapons exports wherever possible. Look at argentina, they could have operated JF-17 block 3s with PL-12/PL-15Es with no input from the US or UK. Instead they buckled under pressure from the US, and elected Milei who opted for Old Danish F-16MLUs. Similar things have been repeated before, but if you look at Thai VT-4s, and Pakistani Chinese equipment it's all doing pretty well.

>>63939657
you should be comparing weapon exports within blocs not across blocs

>>63939682
Compare their blocs defence needs, and GDP per capita. Buying Chinese weapons makes the USA hostile to you as well.

>>63939657
>Argentina got pressured into buying far superior Western hardware

>>63939691
>Compare their blocs defence needs, and GDP per capita
plenty of poor NATO-aligned peacenik countries too
>Buying Chinese weapons makes the USA hostile to you as well.
which is why, AGAIN, you should be comparing within blocs

>>63939714
>F-16 MLU
>stressed air frames with far more flight hours
>No AESA
>AIM-120Cs at best
>hamstrung by the UK
>costs more
The JF-17 block 3 has an AESA, PL-15 capability, costs less, and would be brand new airframes. The F-16 is an incredible aircraft, one of the best ever made, but an MLU can't compete against superior avionics, and missiles, the Ukrainians can't against Su-35s, and the JF-17 has access to better missiles than Russian flankers.
>>63939722
>which is why, AGAIN, you should be comparing within blocs
China doesn't operate a bloc like NATO though? They have Pakistan, who is very happy with their Chinese equipment, and that's it. Thailand is non-aligned, and buys shit from everywhere, and anyone else is far too unreliable to actually make an ally.

>>63938670
t. Jose Fernandez from Ciudad de Houston

>>63939731
>it doesn't have all of the implessive features as my chinkshit tho!

>>63939731
>China doesn't operate a bloc like NATO though?
they're only the number one weapons supplier to anti-American Middle East countries and number one sanctions-evasion pipeline for Russia for sheer profit only, no geopolitics involved, trustmebro

>>63939752
It literally doesn't though, it doesn't have modern networking, and is stuck with a 90s radar. Please do actual research and attempt good faith engagement.
>>63939798
>they're only the number one weapons supplier to anti-American Middle East countries
Like who? Iran openly rejected Chinese weapons in 2020 in favour of Russian equipment, and anyone else is either too poor, or not worth engaging with. China doesn't even want to engage with Iran at this point since they're bad for business.
> number one sanctions-evasion pipeline for Russia for sheer profit only, no geopolitics involved, trustmebro
Russia is strategically aligned, but they're not going to buy big ticket items from China, we've seen them buy smaller stuff like desert cross, troop equipment, and small drones/CUAS, but they're not about to place an order for VT4s, or J-10s, nor will China sell those to them. Please use common sense.

>>63939751
Calm down Jackie Chan

>>63938905
>NoOoOoOoO!!!!!
>You must provide detailed and itemized evidence of the corruption of senior government figures!
>I refuse to believe anything other than a signed and notarized confession delivered under oath!!
How closely were your parents, grand-parents, great-grand-parents, etc, etc, related to each other? Are you your own grandpaw?

>>63940260
Are you fucking retarded? I'm saying a screenshot of /pol/ of a literal who post is meaningless, and the fact that you posted it shows how low IQ you are.

>>63940269
You haven't presented even that for argument yet. But you do love getting butthurt and declaring that everyone else is retarded, don't you.

>>63940269
Oh, and before I leave you to rage pointlessly at the boogeymen that live in your head, you still haven't presented a single source arguing that there isn't deeply rooted, inculturated, corruption within the CCP and its military, or that this corruption (which is widely known and recognised internationally) is not a major part of the relationship between the Chinese military and the government that is terrified of it.
>where are your sources bro?
>why does contextualising information upset you so much?
>what personal neuroses are you trying to project onto everyone else on the planet today?

>>63940338
>this corruption (which is widely known and recognised internationally)
Source?

>>63940319
A single argument for what? You're asking me to refute a fucking 8 year old post made by a random kiwi on /pol/? Are you serious?
>>63940338
You made the claim that there's serious corruption that is actually causing issues, it is down to you to provide sources to back that up. My original claim had nothing to do with the Chinese government, just that the PLA operates a meritocracy, and Chinese MIC companies aren't corrupt like sovitet/Russian ones are. You had no refutation.

the age of specialist vehicles is over
All those vehicles can be merged into one do it all vehicle, with an armored trailer

>>63938885
This rant is wrong in so many places. China destroyed India in 1962 and continues to silently BTFO them at the border, there's no equivalence. China also machine gunned Vietnamese marines in 1988 which was the last time Vietnam tried going to those islands. Which is why it can build those landing strips on those sandbars in the first place. This guy is talking out of his ass.

>>63938619

sir!

>>63938407 (OP)
I am sure they are very implessive. Just like their UN troops, who retreated from literal Africa-tier niggers.

>>63940361
maybe the fact that chinesium is a globally recognised term?

>>63939497
>if you're going to be arguing they're more corrupt than anywhere else
i wasn't, but they're pretty damn high on the list, and that's not the only form of corruption they suffer from, just the one most prevalent in influential govt positions.

>>63940564
>>63940602
Making dogshit to export to the west, or even domestically is not the same as their MIC, this is a country that builds a majority of the worlds ships remember.

>>63938407 (OP)
THIS IS LITERALLY JUST THE MGV ALL OVER AGAIN

>>63940624
>is not the same as their MIC
Someone roll the clip of Chink tank loosing a fucking wheel

>>63939497
>That's not really a black mark against China though
>t. 1-party Communist nation with a president currently in his 12th consecutive year in office

The PLA is not a combat organization so what I “think” about the equipment is that none of it likely works to anything like PLA’s own specifications let alone anyone else’s.

>>63940624
>nooo guys not all our stuff is chinesium, please believe me!
sure bud.
>builds the a majority of the world's ships
that's actually korea and japan.

>>63940564
That's really not an argument. It's like saying Boeing planes are falling out of the sky so the whole US air force must be defective.

>>63940854
>that's actually korea and japan.
Pretty sure latest statistics have Chinese shipbuilding equal in volume to combined Korean and Japanese output, likely due to recession in Korea.

>>63940854
>that's actually korea and japan.
China is basically equal to, or actually slightly higher than Japan, and Korea combined.

>>63938619
We still remember that China arrested their minister of defense, the commander and the political commissar of the PLA Rocket Force (and both of their deputies), three former commanders of the PLARF, the president of the PLA military court, and then the replacement defense minister--- all for bribery and all of it within an 8 month period in 2023. Then four months later they dissolved the Rocket Force and assigned its subordinate units to the other branches of the PLA.
There's no word to describe the scale of corruption happening in the Chinese defense ministry except for farcical.

>>63938407 (OP)
Why do you integrate self propelled tube artillery with ATGM launchers and MRLS systems? I get that it’s all broadly fire support and there will be some slight benefits to command integration (one stop shop for fire support for other units) but this shit broadly isn’t used anywhere near the same way and more direct kill chains would be more responsive.

>>63940916
>Then four months later they dissolved the Rocket Force and assigned its subordinate units to the other branches of the PLA.
?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Liberation_Army_Rocket_Force

>>63940916
None of this is that different to the US dismissing high ranking officers over "loss of confidence" with no other explanation given, the PALRF had a scandal where people were skimming fuel, so heads rolled.
>Then four months later they dissolved the Rocket Force and assigned its subordinate units to the other branches of the PLA.
That was the PLA strategic support force, which was split into three different forces.

>>63940934
>>Then four months later they dissolved the Rocket Force and assigned its subordinate units to the other branches of the PLA.
>That was the PLA strategic support force, which was split into three different forces.
Just goes to show you the quality of knowledge on this board lol

>>63940917
>but this shit broadly isn’t used anywhere near the same way and more direct kill chains would be more responsive.
The ATGM launchers are NLOS HJ-10s which have a range of 10km and essentially act as wire guided loitering munitions, it's functions like a Spike NLOS with IR guidance, and TV guidance, the difference is the Spike NLOS switches to wireless guidance after 8km where the HJ-10 remains wired the entire time (the rationale being that it's immune to EW).
Basically think of it as being a tube/rocket/loitering munition battalion.

This is clearly another helmettard thread. Holy shit he’s fucking on one this week.

>>63940973
>/k/ already trying to invent another boogeymen
I'm sure no one ever wants to talk about China organically.

The only “good” thing about the PLA is that it seems like the CCP leadership is attempting to turn it into a combat organization. That means the leadership has a grasp on the fact that the PLA isn’t for combat and therefore cannot be deployed and there exists political will to try and change that.

>>63940988
Not really all of their shit sucks, we know they’re planning to invade Taiwan, we’ve had a manic faggot (you) shilling Spreylian nonsense for a couple days now, and the subject is fucking dead. They haven’t done fuck all yet, they’re going to get bitch slapped but that’s what they want, nobody cares about Taiwan outside of the chip manufacturing we’re currently working to replace domestically, and it’s well past time you took your meds faggot.

>>63940988
China should stop being so easy to hate.

>>63938511
Because the underage frogposting war tourist told you to

>>63941006
>Not really all of their shit sucks
One of their export jets shot down a Rafale recently.
>we know they’re planning to invade Taiwan, we’ve had a manic faggot (you) shilling Spreylian nonsense for a couple days now, and the subject is fucking dead
I literally just wanted to talk about the heavy CAB, I've actually responded to people asking questions about it, but retards like you want to start shit flinging competitions.
> They haven’t done fuck all yet, they’re going to get bitch slapped but that’s what they want, nobody cares about Taiwan outside of the chip manufacturing we’re currently working to replace domestically, and it’s well past time you took your meds faggot.
What does that have to do with Heavy CABs?

>>63940988
That's true. It's why you have to constantly babysit and spam bump your chink shill threads

>>63938747
You could start by saying something that has actual content. For example, explain what about it you find interesting.

>>63938860
>The PLA is actually quite meritocratic
The amount of bribery going on suggests otherwise.

>>63939657
>>63939714
>>63939731
The F-16s are parade darlings. They amount to a single squadron. What is truly inexcusable is that Milei is looking into buying Strykers, of all things. It's a money laundering scheme. It has to be. The country is falling apart and he's wasting money we don't have propping up corrupt, genocidal maniacs. Hopefully the next proper government scraps it all and cancels all deals.

>>63938407 (OP)
>Combined Arms
irrelevant, they need strong airforce and navy and have neither at the moment

>>63940804
>Future comfy system

So much cool shit was cancelled between the 90s and 2000s because the cold war ended.

>>63940956
They are grouping systems with 10-50km range (atgms and tube artillery) with systems with 100-250km ranges (MRLS).

>>63938407 (OP)
I don't think modularity for military hardware has had the success planners expected. The compromises in order to make them fit makes each vehicle work, if you make tanks the same chassis as an IFV than you end up with a clunky and terrible tank or IFV, even moreso with SPGs and SPAAGs.

>>63941373
I think the PLA would agree, which is why they don't share chassis in heavy brigades, but do in medium brigades.
>>63941315
The MLRS here is a grad equivalent, it can fire guided 122mms, and is modular for larger calibre missiles, but it's generally used as a more accurate grad.

>>63938407 (OP)
>shitty minecraft camo
Hard pass.

Why is the Chinese mic considered more corrupt than any other? The US is very familiar with the idea of the military paying $5,000 for ball peen hammers or having to outsource maintenance that marines could do themselves to $200/hr private contractors, or the same, paying private contractors six figures to drive trucks or occupy areas that the military could do itself for the cost of an E2.

Is it just that the West (or the US at least) has enough money that it can afford to let oligarchs and corruption take their pound of flesh and still deliver a functioning product at the end? Is that really less corrupt or just more functional?

>>63938784
Not cool anon, now his family will be sent to the work camps. Fucking weird dud

>>63941579
The MIC in China is all state-owned enterprises and like all state-owned enterprises are run by elites with family connections to the CCP leadership. They are hyper corrupt, not serious industrial concerns in the Western sense of public ownership standards. Basically the usual Asian peasant kingdom arrangement except with even less oversight.

>>63941619
>and like all state-owned enterprises are run by elites with family connections to the CCP leadership.
Do you honestly think the CEOs of Raytheon, Palantir, lockmart, or general dynamics can't pick up the phone and get the senators of their choice to clear their calendars for them?

>>63938653
Boomers.

>>63938653
US marinates in anti Chinese propaganda. Forty years ago it'd have been the same with Soviet stuff.

>>63938407 (OP)
I miss so much C&C bros.

>>63938807
>trusting chinese railways
kek

>>63941619
>The MIC in China is all state-owned enterprises and like all state-owned enterprises are run by elites with family connections to the CCP leadership. They are hyper corrupt, not serious industrial concerns in the Western sense of public ownership standards
Source?
DJI can definitely be counted as part of the Chinese MIC. It was able to squeeze out every American competitor and dominate the global commercial drone market leading to its current position. So this rather significant data point disputes your claims.

>>63941747
>In 2024, China's high-speed rail network carried a record 4.08 billion passenger trips, according to China State Railway Group. This represents a 10.8% increase year-on-year, highlighting the continued growth and popularity of high-speed rail in China. The network also moved 3.99 billion metric tons of cargo, marking the eighth consecutive year of growth.

>>63941762
>paste this in google
>just a bunch of chink sites
kek

>>63941648
Of course they can get an audience, and its likely that they can get quite a bit of bill influence. Especially if they can dangle the promise of jobs and investment in that congressional district.

But you need to understand the fundamentally different character of corruption in the US MIC vs the Chinese and Russian MIC. In America, the corruption will lead to a completed contract, where the product delivered does what it should do, but at a higher price than it needs to be, built in an economically sub-optimal way or place, and possibly over-ordered (why else do we have all those CBGs?). In the asiatic way, virtually all the money goes to graft, which means the body armor either doesn't exist IRL or is made of cotton, the MREs are all rotten in the warehouse, and there is not nearly as much tank fuel as there should be.

This difference is due to the fact that for all its faults, Americans have an implicit understanding that its weapons will likely be deployed and need to work, or else the schemes will get investigated and heads will roll. Asiatics don't (or at least in russia, they didn't) think this way, and so the corruption drifts into outright theft instead of survivable inefficiency. Thanks for reading, I hope you now understand why you can't have nice things.

>>63940373
>you're asking me to refute a fucking 8 year old post made by a random kiwi on /pol/
No, retard, that's not what's happening here. You assert that it is a ridiculous claim that the Chinese military is a hilarious pile of corruption. You get incredibly butthurt about that claim. You get so incredibly butthurt that you refuse to discuss it when pressed for any reason for people to believe you're not either a paid shill for Beijing, or some deranged Sinophile retard who 'does it for free', you even start ranting about other subjects to try to hide how ridiculous your arguments are.

So, because you need this spelled out in incredibly clear and unambiguous language, I will try again. Why do you believe that China - a country where corruption is not a bug but an expected and intended feature of their political system - has a military where no or limited corruption occurs in their military procurement? Why should anybody hear you say that without immediately laughing at what a dumb fuck you are? Is this clear enough for you yet?

>>63941790
>Don't believe your lying eyes
https://youtu.be/kGc3DM1qAf8?feature=shared

>>63941977
>has a military where no or limited corruption occurs in their military procurement? Why should anybody hear you say that without immediately laughing at what a dumb fuck you are? Is this clear enough for you yet?
I never said this though, my only point was it's not on the level of Russia, and not enough to make them incompetent like Russia. The US military has corruption, almost every military does.

>>63941039
>One of their export jets shot down a Rafale
Driven by a jeet, so it doesn't count
>I literally just wanted to talk about the heavy CAB
You haven't posted a goddamn org chart the whole thread, what the fuck is there to talk about?

>>63941671
>US marinates in anti Chinese propaganda.
As opposed to the impartial Chinese media, eh?

>>63943079
There you go.

>>63943114
>1 supply coy for the whole "heavy" brigade

>>63943079
>Driven by a jeet, so it doesn't count
Guess that goes for all soviet aircraft flew by arabs too right?

>>63943183
Doesn't look that different to an ABCT.

>>63942937
I've looked at some international corruption surveys and China ranked badly in "access money" which are like elite exchanges of power and wealth. The U.S. ranks badly on this too BTW and I think that would be like the revolving door of MIC companies and retired generals getting on their boards. China also ranked worse than the U.S. in other types of corruption like speed money (bribery) but China was less bad than Russia, where all types of corruption are extreme (Russia is like Bangladesh). Also China's rankings have been improving. But I don't think it's as bad as Russia, but there is more corruption than most Western countries.

>>63938407 (OP)
Temu US and Russian copies, is what I think.

>>63938407 (OP)
>Three different types of AA
>Three different types of Artillery
I will never understand why countries waste resources like this
It shouldn't be that hard to figure out which system is most effective and consolidate production

>>63943407
unironically yes
you know very well that a NATO pilot driving a Mig29 would rape an Arab in the same Mig29

>>63943543
>Three different types of AA
There's only 2 AA pieces there, the HQ-17, and PGZ-09 (incorrectly labelled 07), the AFT-10 is an NLOS ATGM launcher.
>Three different types of Artillery
The graph is incorrect here, the PLZ-05 is an artillery brigade piece, only the PLZ-07 is available at the brigade level (which is 122mm)

>>63940361
>Source?
>Why is Xi firing all the top brass of the PLARF, including Li Yuchao and Xu Zhongbo – the commander and political commissar of the PLARF; former PLARF commander Zhou Yaning, head of the PLARF armaments department Lu Hong; former PLARF deputy Li Chuanguang; and Gen. Ding Laihang, the former Commander of the PLA Air Force until September 2021.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN15MIJtiKA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mv6PuXo6Mzc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tn9yMT80duc

>Why did the Defense Minister disapear? (Li Shangfu and his predecessor Wei Fenghe)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cbg11ActFBY
>Then, the Defense Minister that replaced him, Dong Jun, gets fired for corruption
https://www.dw.com/en/china-investigates-defense-minister-for-corruption-report/a-70895090
https://archive.is/4sZCd
That's three Defense Ministers in a row that were fired for corruption, and you think the Chinese military is anything but a corrupt forth-rate shit show? TOPKEK.

>>63943749
More:
Admiral Miao Hua, director of the Political Work Department of China's Central Military Commission (CMC) was recently fired and put under investigation for corruption.
http://eng.mod.gov.cn/xb/News_213114/TopStories/16354913.html

>China’s state-owned defence firms pledge to tackle corruption

>Chinese state-owned defence companies have promised to step up efforts to tackle corruption after former defence minister Li Shangfu was accused of “polluting the equipment sector”.
>Nine firms operating in sectors that include nuclear, aerospace and shipbuilding promised to tighten their rules on bidding and procurement as well as looking at areas such as hiring and quality control following a series of inspections by the Central Commission for Discipline Inspection (CCDI)
>and quality control following a series of inspections by the Central Commission for Discipline Inspection (CCDI)
>It pledged to strengthen the oversight of its “top leaders” and “standardise the management of bidding and procurement”, adding that it was also carrying out an investigation into improper employment practices
>The company said other problems relating to quality control had been uncovered and promised to improve product design to “ensure the stable operation of satellites in orbit”
>improve product design to “ensure the stable operation of satellites in orbit”
>problems relating to quality control had been uncovered
>strengthen employees’ awareness of safety and confidentiality
>Another company, the China Aerospace Science and Industry Corporation, which is the country’s largest maker of missiles, vowed to improve secrecy and address irregular procurement.
>vowed to improve secrecy
>China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation, a main contractor for the country’s space programme said 36 employees had been the subject of Communist Party disciplinary action and seven had been handed over to the judicial authorities.
https://archive.is/V88Hc#selection-1471.1-1471.295

>>63943749
>>63943755
So, what I take from this is China's nuclear, aerospace, and ship building SOEs have problems with quality control, corrupt procurement (bribing, kick-backs, etc.), and problems with security leaks - most likely leaking plans to US and allies. KEK. And chinsects think they can actually BTFO the US and people should be afraid of their low quality, overpriced pieces of shit that the employees leak all the information about to US and its allies? lol, lmao, even.

>>63938407 (OP)
soulless bugmen goyslop

>>63943749
>>63943755
Dong Jun was never fired, the FT literally made that story up. I will not address your China Insights videos because they are literal Falun Gong slop (this isn't attacking the source, I imagine you'd put basically no weight behind RT articles referring to US affairs too). The other stuff is valid, Miao was ousted for being corrupt, and CASTC had issues, but Chinas space program as a whole is doing fine, their satellite network is expanding, and the PLARF has removed the people that were skimming fuel. Again I am looping back to my original point stating that China does have corruption, just not enough to cripple them like Russia. The stuff with Xu Zhongbo and Li Yuchao again are on the same tier as high up American generals being fired for "loss of confidence"

Source on Dong Jun:
http://eng.mod.gov.cn/xb/News_213114/TopStories/16387754.html
Recent substack regarding Chinas satellite network:
https://ordersandobservations.substack.com/p/chinas-military-satellite-communications

>>63938653
schizo faggots who think they're in good company. it was once possible to have good and informative threads here but that is no longer the case.2016 fucked this board site-wide.

>>63938796
Anyone who says Irish isn't white on genetic grounds is a retard and anyone who says it on "cultural" grounds is a worthless loser

>>63938785
No disrespect to the Americans out there that are actually normal but it's a bit ironic to be gatekeeping whiteness with white Europeans if our genetic lineage is more concentrated to a specific part of Europe while yours is either a mixture at best and >25% non-European at worst

>>63941961
Except Boeing, of course. They're very much following the Asian model of corruption these days.

>>63943533
Russia doesn't have combined arms. There's nothing to copy from.
Unironically China didn't have a concept of combined arms until they started copying from the west instead of the Soviets.

>>63944189
Cope

>>63938407 (OP)
These things die in war thunder

>>63952379
The PGZ-09, and PLZ-05 are blatantly broken for their BRs, the ZTZ-99A gets nuked by fuel explosions though.