That was quick. Can't wait to see these Chinese shitboxes spiderwebed

>>63938812 (OP)
Wtf 40 aircraft in under a month? Damn that's impressive. Europe needs to wake up.

>>63938812 (OP)
I'm sure they'll see alot of use and won't be blown up by spies if Israel decides to attack again.

>>63938812 (OP)
So how many days until we get footage of those bug jets getting JDAM’d?

>>63938812 (OP)
are chinks fucking stupid? they finally had one nice (ambiguous, but good enough) propaganda win against western equipment because it was being used by indians, and now they're going to nuke it by giving stuff to iran?
please tell me this is real, it would be so funny.

>>63938851
In under 30 days they just handed more aircraft than the entirety of Europe gave Ukraine over a 3 year period. They weren't leftovers either. Honestly crazy capability.

>>63938856
>b-but there's a lot of them
>h-honestly crazy capability
implessive.

>>63938856
It's not really a question of capability but more a question of political willpower. Selling the ukes some shells or missiles is like pulling teeth whereas the chinks don't really get cold feet when it comes to weapons sales. I'll give the bugs props, they don't pussyfoot their deals. I wonder how much Iran spent, do you think they got raked over the coals?

>>63938812 (OP)
>no one pointing out the Hebrew runes in OP's pic
/k/ike board

>>63938851
>propaganda win against western equipmen
You're thinking like a MIC Jew and not a dictator. This is about showing China is a better security guarantor that Russia.

Russia hung CSTO (Armenia), Syria, and Iran out to dry in rapid succession in their greatest moment of need. China just delivered 40 fighters in less than a month.

Guy's, it's J-10s. Not the 6th-gen stuff the chinks and iranians lie about. Comparable to Mig-29s and F-16s. Easily killable. Nothing to worry about.

Iran told me F-35s keep eating his tomcats so I asked how many fighters he has and he said he just goes to BRICS and gets anew fighter afterwards so I said it sounds like he's just feeding his fighters to F-35s and then his IRGC chief started crying.

>>63938856
This, you'd think they'd step up now with orange man actively sabotaging Ukraine's war materiel.

>>63938891
>le orange man
Seethe tranny. I voted for this))

>>63938881
>is a better security guarantor than russia
that doesn't really work when your security gets blasted though, sending more doesn't help with that.
i will agree though, that china is a significantly better security guarantor than russia against anything other than western equipment.

>>63938899
you didnt vote vanja

>>63938899
Yes comrade I too have asked premier beerbreath to stop giving weapons to Ukraine
t. tom from texas oblast

>>63938812 (OP)
I need a different source before I believe this.

looks like the chickens are coming home to roost

>>63938812 (OP)
i call bullshit this telegram channel is lying
iran doesnt have enough cash on hand to dump enough money on the chinks to make them sell 40 of their own airforce planes to iran.

these kinds of planes dont sit on shelves waiting for a buyer theyre only starting to build them when someone pays, if they ordered them now they will see them atleast a year from now.

also what would be the point? waste a couple of israeli SPICE1000 bombs in the next war? i think the runways would be taken out so they wouldnt be able to take off anyway the israelis might as well take em out with guns when they feel like it

The f35 fucking sucks, it has less payload capacity than the f16, cant do cool manuevers but still gives out a large heat signature that can be seen from hundreeds of miles away using IR, and will give away its position when using radar , Ww2 radar could pick it up, just shoot an IR missile at it after that.

>>63938914
>>63938915
Like clockwork

>>63938812 (OP)
Sounds rather a lot like bullshit.

>>63938903
>your security gets blasted though

The west won't sell you toys

>Rely on Russia
>Rely on China

Pick one.

>>63938923
both were based on f16

>>63938866
It is impressive. China doesn't care if you want to bomb Israel and will sell you whatever you want to buy if you have the cash. They delivered more aircraft in under a month than most countries have in inventory. Your politics are clouding your judgement on this.

>>63938878
Don't know but I'd be shocked if they could even train pilots that fast. To be fair though a lot of tomcat pilots are needing rides now.

>>63938812 (OP)
I look forward to the .webms of the jews blowing them up on the ground.

>>63938934
Oh I see we are trying to turn around the 3 days special military operation

Not doing very well unfortunately...

>Laughs in F-15EX
When will these retards learn that you can’t fight what you can’t see? Yeah the J10 is a capable dog fighter but this isn’t the fucking 70s anymore and when you’re up against a flying truck launching missiles beyond your sensory or strike capability you’re getting your shit pushed in ten times out of ten.

>>63938954
>48 hour ATO is not real

>>63938947
>b-but they sent more aircraft
which will get shot down and destroyed faster than western aircraft.

>>63938963
You actualy can fight what you cant see.
If you know the enemy forces is hiding in a certain airfield you just level that with rockets so they cant resuply and have to use road strips to land and the rosdstrips dont have the equipmebt to keep launching planes.
Also IR, Ww2 radar waves, seeing where they are shooting the radar from are all reliable ways to know were the f35 is

>>63938934
>it's legit an actual buttmad zigger
lol, doesn't work the other way around, they were actually trying to do an anti-terror operation and instead were met with a very retarded neighbour filling the place with actual soldiers.
>z-zelensky monke
man that monke meme mindbroke you guys hard.

>>63938927
Guarantee these are the old shit box models due to be scrapped anyway.
>4.5 Gen
Actually lol’d at that.

>>63938966
>somehow some broke as shit backwater eastern euro hellhole failing their plan is more embarrassing than the supposed global superpower failing their plan
Whatever helps you sleep at night

member when it took 2 years to train ukrainian pilots?

>>63938972
either way iran cant afford this chinesium
the only way this could be happening is theyre going into more and more debt against their oil exports to china.

and when these planes are blown up what will they do? buy another batch and get more debt?

>>63938975
>some broke as shit backwater eastern euro hellhole failing their plan
Excuse me? Ukraine is ARYAN, and RICH, and EUROPEAN. Nothing like ziggerstan

What if a PL-15 downs a F-15?

How bad and large will the chimpout will be?

>>63938812 (OP)
>source: telegram screencap
Ok.

>>63938932
And yet the flying shitbucket have dominated every engagement it have been in except those involving friendly airfields and falling of boats.

>>63938966
is it comparable and the 3 day operation? no, because they were legit trying to get rid of an insurgency, and it almost worked until russia panicked and sent in an unmarked army.
that's not a win, that's
>we failed so hard at the fake insurgency game that we had to just ship in army elements to not completely fuck up.

notice how you guys are so insecure that you have to come up to an "analog" of everything your favourite shitholer ever fucked up in order to drown the shame.
you're a fucking loser, lmao.
>>63938982
>e-EXCUSE ME, I'M GOING TO TYPE LIKE AN ANGRY HISTRIONIC FEMININE STRAWMAN
yes, we know, you do that alot because subterfuge is literally the only way you guys can even stalemate in a discussion. also shows us how mad you are.

>>63938812 (OP)
Is there any actual proof of this being real?

>>63938982
That was right after the old Russkie president got kicked out, and year, Ukraine was in deeps hit at the time.
Aso, I don't know if it's just me, but this guy looks like one of those JD Vance edits, except real.

>>63938966
>what is reassuring government statement
You're right, those hohols are so stupid! Politicians making public statements? Pffft! Just order your state media to say it, then you can technically claim it's not your narrative!

>>63939004
Yes.

No, I won't show it to you.

t. iran/russia/china

>>63939008
*deep shit and *Also

God damn fucking minor spelling mistakes.

>>63938838
Not Europe's problem.

>>63938970
Yet somehow the Israeli F-35s dominated their airspace with impunity chink shill.
>If
Big if
>You level it with rockets
Which regularly get shot down and miss because their rockets suck balls
>You can-
No they can’t because they’re a third world shithole that just got steamrolled by Jews.
>>63938980
Yeah guarantee the borrowed against their oil for something that will accomplish exactly nothing. This is how Venezuela tanked their economy lol.
>Are they going to buy more?
Yup. Remember this is a big step up for them but the problem is their Air Force was so hilariously outdated to begin with they’re still half a fucking century behind actual world powers. As based as the F4 was fielding it in the 21st century is essentially murdering your own pilots.

>>63938993
Highly unlikely. Firstly because neither the Nimitz or Vinson are currently carrying any and the Carl Vinson and Israel have F-35s which will most likely be used to disable them before they ever leave the runway.

>>63939045
F4/F14 (maybe 1/5 of them were actually working at the time probably) were probably intended to bomb kurds,azeris or balochis if theose happen to rebel as they occasionally do. now with iran severely weakened they will probably increase their separatist activities.

>>63939036
Chinks are pro-russian, so chink MIC is a european problem

>>63939114
Sounds like we need to deliver some javelins and MANPADS to some more brave freedom fighters.

>>63939141
Think of budget deficit! no deliveries.

>>63939025
Jannies do it for free lmao

>>63939141
what use is the manpads theres nothing to shoot with them
the mossad did have massive workshops full of afghans bulding cheap bomb drones and explosives.

and the mossad internet-operated spike launchers mog any javalin

>>63938856
Ît's not really a matter of capacity but of political will.
European politicians are retarded and divided, which is why they are dragging their feet on supporting the country currently defending Europe.
The Chinese are retarded and unified, which is why they are sending planes to an unrealiable ally that will loose them in embarassing ways.

>>63939238
There isn't will among Europeans themselves t. Europoor
We are tired of war and would rather Russia just collapse and be done with it, we got enough economic problems due to those retards as it is, we can't start churning out Eurofighters and Good Morning Saabs to gift to Ukraine. We have about 1k fully capable planes of all shapes and sizes, and 600-700 misc. shit we can take into the air. This is for the whole EU.
Also, please understand this - neither side has air superiority at this point. Planes flying over Ukraine are de facto standoff platforms. What the ukies need to do is to expand their idea of going back to small planes with guns that take out drones V1-style. Cause those fucking shasneeds are a major concern due to good old terror bombing.

>>63939137
They aren't, they're blocking military equipment and raw materials for weapons if it's the US buying them. Other countries are getting sanctions or tariffs as response to tariffs against China, mainly related to 5G and EVs (pre 2025)
Ukraine has no problem buying more drones parts and electronics in general from China, they import more of those than Russia.
Only DJI limited the use of their drones in Ukraine.

>>63939268
>Planes flying over Ukraine are de facto standoff platforms
Sure, but there is no reason why Ukraine shouldn't have more of those.
And no reason at all not to give them longer range missiles to push back Russian planes even more.

>>63939283
>Ukraine has no problem buying more drones parts and electronics in general from China, they import more of those than Russia.
Nigga, why are you lying, ukies have to buy stuff via EU proxies because chinks don't sell them some of the stuff.

>>63939301
Restrictions, sure, and applies to both sides because they don't want to be associated with that massacre (specially DJI), they aren't truly blocking the sales even if they know where they're going.
>On September 1, 2024, China imposed export restrictions on Chinese-manufactured drones and drone components to Ukraine and Russia, including flight controllers, carbon frames, motors, radio modules, and navigation cameras. This followed an earlier ban in June 2023, when China restricted its export of long-range drones weighing over 7 kilograms (15.5 pounds) to Ukraine and Russia.

>>63939296
Not sure which country is willing to spare, as most are small, we in Bulgaria are still waiting years for Burgerland to gives us the block70 F-16s we ordered, let alone to have spare MIGs to give in the meantime. Only the central powers (deja vu) have enough to spare.

>>63939036
>China challenging European biggest military ally after dominating half the globe economically isn't a European issue
You're sleeping. China can lose 300 million people in a war with the US and Europe and still have more than both of us combined pre war.

China is a European security issue.

>>63939354
China is one dam away from having its population halved. It has its own security issues.

>>63939354
Their biggest threat is just knocking out taiwans chip production. If yurocucks can’t figure out they need to manufacture their own shit or suck bug nuts then that’s entirely their fault.

>>63939375
LMAO. Won't happen. Regardless the point is China just greenlit 40 4th Gen aircraft to a state actively engaging us troops and it's ally. Not only that it delivered in under a month. When I hewrd about Iran buying them a few weeks ago my initial reaction was it's a waste of money since they'll be irrelevant by the time they get them. The f-35 will still dominate Iranian airspace but the point is China is sending s message.

>>63939238
>The Chinese are retarded and unified
No they're not. China is a mix of dozens of different legally recognised ethnicities all held together by Xi. You think somebody living in Yiganqixiang has any interest or relevant to somebody living in Tangshan? Of course not. You could travel China and visit modern cities, cyberpunk tier dystopias or towns that haven't changed for hundreds of years. They're not united, the government just doesn't give a shit about what the proles think.

>>63939382
China doesn't have access to the best nodes of TSMC, they're restricted to DUV.

>>63938848
this

Weird when you look up this claim you get such highly rated news sources such as *checks notes* Youtube 'MIRROR NOW' and *squints* India Today.

Almost like article was talked about and telegram shitposters claim they're done and dusted.

>>63939404
Falsenuke

>>63939405
china already has 6nm, they are quite close. Sanctions will only result in them speeding it up

>>63939423
It's not falsenuke, fucking go to China and visit it, retard. The PRC officially recognises 55 ethnic minority groups within China in addition to the Han majority. The entire state is a massive group of people with different histories and cultures and religions all being crushed under the party. What, you think the Tibetans are united and fully behind the party? What about the Muslims? Again, somebody in bumfuck rural Zhonghucun has no connection or interest what is happening in Beijing. It might as well be a different country. Same shit as people in Jewish Autonomous Oblast doesn't give a fuck what happens in St Petersburg.

>>63939431
>china already has 6nm, they are quite close.
Using Japanese DUV machines, and they can't buy those anymore and their own litho machines (until recently there's only 1 company developing them) is restricted to 28 nm (immersion) / 55-65nm (dry) but those are recent and there's a delay for widespread adoption. 10 years ago they only had photolitographic machines to make LCD displays and legacy transistors/logic ICs.
They're (relatively) open about their shortcomings and their developments in parallel to save time.

>>63939354
China can lose like 50-75 million military aged males max before societal collapse.

>Ukraine needs to wait years for like 10 40 year old F16's
>Iran gets 40 brand new fighter jets in like a few weeks
...

>>63939421
did my Algerian tax money go to waste buying the Su-35 instead of the chinese equivalent?

at least we go the Su-34 and su-57 I guess

>>63939475
>su-57

>>63939473
Those 10 F16s could trounce 30+ J10s easily

>>63939421
So this whole thread is just another piece of bullshit spam then.

>>63939405
>>63939431
This. I personally think it’s a matter of time before they go for it. As soon as they have adequate manufacturing that they aren’t reliant on Taiwan they are going to try to burn through 40 million excess males they can’t afford to reach retirement age that would be weighing down their healthcare systems. It’s going to be a blood bath and I think the U.S. has come to the same conclusion which is why they’re investing 10x the amount Europe are in building their own factories. China realistically loses nothing from a gruesome war of attrition but international good will and trade which they can survive 3-5 years of sanctions and tariffs. Their only other option is to mass import immigrants which goes against their Han Chinese larp. Europe seem more skeptical and they’re going to end up paying the U.S. a premium for our shit and likely try to pretend this shit isn’t happening out of cope like they did with Russian gas. We all know how that turned out kek.

>>63939482
I mean they're trying to do it, whether they're actually delivered is another question. The issue is, even if delivered, it takes time ot train pilots UNLESS Iran has been secretly training for years.

>>63939479
the Su-57 is objectively the best thing you can get if you're not an american protect- ally I mean
maybe the KAAN but Turkey is iffy

>>63939458
Why do you think in a total war the communist force would be made up of only military aged males?

>>63938848
Yep.
I'm surprised that Israel has not violated the ceasefire already.

>>63939492
They haven’t. They will rush these poor stupid fucks through training halfassedly rattle their saber again and Israel will push their shit in. If the attack a U.S. carrier group it’s going to be the most kino happening since the Bush administration.

>>63939458
Realistically, Americans almost suffered a catastrophic collapse with COVID. Simply being locked indoors. Will this generation withstand even 100k military casualties in a hot war in the Pacific? I highly doubt it.

>>63939494
My point was that Russia has managed around 50 (if we believe their numbers and include prototypes) in a decade. F-35 is at 1000+ built. I wouldn't expect SU-57's to arrive in Algerian hands any time soon.

>>63939480
They're fucking old.
What makes them better? Seems to be the planes are more or less the same and it comes down to munitions which just don't exist in the necessary quantities in Europe.

>>63939494
>Su-57
>instead of a chink plane that is actually in production and service
Russoid delusions.

>>63939507
it's certain that the first batch will be delivered this later this year (by december?), it's a 14 planes order in total, nothing impossible to trickle down.

>>63939498
I mean if the Chinese nation loses that many men that could otherwise be needed to make a country as big a China run then their society would collapse.

>>63939506
Lol lmao

>>63939431
Haven't nanometer measurements just been meaningless marketing numbers for years now?

>>63938945
I wonder if the Israeli experts who taught China how to build their jets knew anything about the F16.

>>63939494
Have any Su-57s been delivered recently, or has Russia stolen them like they did with the Indian tanks?

>>63939525
Are you implying people weren't mentally broke by COVID?

Okay how about a country that has the capability to kinetically hit places like Hawaii and the West Coast? We haven't seen an adversary who could realistically do that in over 50 years now. It'll absolutely have an affect and hand waving it won't change the fact that people will absolutely freak the fuck out once American assets start getting hit.

>>63938899
Only russians use )) for smiley faces thanks to their retarded keyboards so you didn't vote for shit ivan

>>63939509
There’s truth in this. America sells you planes today so they can sell you the missiles you need to compete with enemy combatants later at a premium. It’s just smart business anon. Nobody is invading Bulgaria right now anyway except for maybe Muslims.

>>63939545
>Same old "Westerners are weak and lack a fighting spirit, unlike us based eastern warrior nations" script
Pearl Harbour says "hi".

>>63939545
>People will freak the fuck out when American assets get hit
They don’t care about soldiers and we’ve seen what happens when the civilians get hit. 9/11 gave Bush and Cheney full go ahead and a carte blanch budget to buttfuck Al Qaeda and anyone who even looked like them.

>>63939546
That was pretty obvious when his response to being called out for his obvious bullshit was to post a repackaged version of a putin meme retargeted at Ukraine's president.
They aren't exactly good at blending in as a people.

>>63939532
its literally cold-war cargo-cult
just like the F-15 was designed as a copy/counter to the MiG-25 which was over hyped and had the US panicking until hey got their hands on one and realized its shit. chinks did the same to the US F16 which resulted in the J-10 and israelis were doing the same.

>>63939527
Kinda, but they're still indicative of the transistor density, the current "nm" number is in part marketing (they're removing autistic details) based in the transistor density instead transistor pitch like before when transistor were only planar, current design of transistor can be denser per surface area because they go deeper in the silicon (vertical). There's a roadmap of standard nodes in nm, some companies uses that + letters to specify if it's a low power/dense node or a high performance node, TSMC does that but they also use "-1nm" to indicate it's a revision of the node that outperforms the older node one in all specs instead just one or two (like TSMC 5 nm vs TSMC 4nm).

>>63939588
>>63939532
It's obviously an F-16 clone. Israel has F-16s and this was their copy of it. If you try to disagree, you're a paid shill like what the hackers exposed when they took down this site.

>>63939545
Last time American assets got hit they went to war for like 20 years, I am sure they will be fine.

>>63939708
thats what i said
early in the cold war the soviets had many advances and seemed ahead in jet aviation. but later especially the 80s onwards it was clear that the americans were ahead.

you can still see this now Su-57,J-20,KF-21 are all cargo cult of the F-22

>>63939743
>are all cargo cult of the F-22
They're espionage birds, not cargo cult. Western experts provided the expertise. There's constant problems of US and Australian fighter pilots training PLAAF pilots.
>https://www.news9.com/story/6359317d57bf8207b2c5f4b0/former-us-fighter-pilot-who-worked-in-china-arrested-in-australia

Also Pakistan got its nuclear experts from Israel.

>>63938886
Far superior to frankenstein leftovers from the Shah era, Iraqi planes that had to avoid destruction from the US air forces, and fake indigenous aircraft.

Iran now has a more capable air force that can go out and get some flight hours without the risk of the rivets coming loose and the planes falling apart mid-air. Russia has been unable to provide for its own air force and now is more reliant on Iran. China has sent J-7s in the past and has been able to help Iran modernize ancient aircraft. While they’re not fifth generation planes they empowered the iranian air force and bolster Iranian-a Chinese relations. 20 years from now, these planes will more likely to be flying and getting proper upgrades and service whereas other aircraft in Iranian inventory will be long gone (if no wars breakout and assuming Iran actually purchases the J-10s).

>>63939578
>that pic
Jesus. At least he tried, I guess. Next time he should try to be borned and raised in Texas oblast sun region of USA. And he should fight tooth and nail for a warm water port.

>>63939318
>applies to both sides
Nope, russians buy shit freely

>>63938932
Get back in your fucking coffin, Sprey

Forgive me my ignorance, but do Chinks normally sell their weapons to anyone? The way I understood it was that they don't want their shit to be actually used just in case it turns out it's all cheap overhyped garbage and China's intimidation card evaporates, and if those planes are going to Iran there is a very good chance they'll be used.
Still, they might've been already selling to the Myanmar junta, but they're only fighting insurgencies rather than state militaries.

>>63939896
F35 is americas equivalent of V2 rockets.
Huge waste of money,
IRST that can detect your plane from hundreed of miles exist like the Pirate.

>>63939939
F35 has performed well, cope and seethe. Also the V2 was the basis for many rocket research programs.

>>63938812 (OP)
I would pay PPV money to see F-35s fighting J-10s

>>63939934
>do Chinks normally sell their weapons to anyone
Yes but not to Iran. They sell to Saudi Arabia, UAE, Egypt instead.

It's safe to say the myth of western air superiority has been thoroughly debunked.

>>63940011
My point exactly. They's only sold to countries that are unlikely to use them in war against a peer opponent, and that's certainly not the case with Iran.

>>63939939
>hundreed of miles

Try 30-40 miles in the most optimal conditions.

>>63940005
>pov a squadron of F-35's engage a squadron of J-10's at 35,000 feet from 160km away as you look on from the ground

>>63939939
It's the fucking IRST schizo.
It's around the same price of a Block 70/72 F-16. It's affordable as fuck. Your IRST will detect a F-16 just the same.

>>63938856
There are almost 8 times as many F-16s in existence. The only reason Ukraine didn't get as many is because western leaders are massive pussies.

>>63938934
>Acting Ukrainian president Oleksandr Turchynov announced
What does the zelensky monke have to do with any of that shit besides letting everyone know just how mad the monke putin memes make you? Most of us aren't even Ukrainian. Maybe try a Trump one, you might actually ruffle some feathers.

>>63938932
how come nobody shot it down yet then? it's such a shit plane after all

>>63939318
>Restrictions, sure, and applies to both sides
Nah, russians by most of the stuff freely and without any issues, unlike ukies.

>>63939507
>My point was that Russia has managed around 50 (if we believe their numbers
That's almost twice as many airframes as even Russian numbers suggest. They have maybe ~30 by the most optimistic estimates.
We've never seen more than 4 or 5 in one place.

>>63938878
The Chinese might have gotten themselves a better on the oil they receive from Iran. I can't really think of too much else they could want or that Iran could offer.

>>63939431
>china already has 6nm
Don't they do that via multi-exposure bullshit, which isn't really economically sustainable?

>>63939856
>buy shit freely
in the same way ukraine can get most not sanctioned things (like rare earths) from china, freely.
post chinese weapons (better than air rifles) used by russia.
Of course you can't because you're being delusional at minimum. Trying to use this war to damage china just because they aren't acting like an US vassal is retarded.
Unlike the US, China isn't trying to abuse of their position or threatening with more or less cooperation (like intel). They give a shit as long as their aren't dragged in the retardation and the UN/the rest of the world isn't sanctioning them (ignoring the anti-china tariffs and economic sanctions), and of course, they have no reasons to follows orders of the US about not buying oil from russia or iran.

>>63940320
Nah they just set the delivery address to Poland. What they didn't get is the multipolar discount.

>>63938927
It should be relatively easy to verify from satellite images in the coming days.

>>63939817
>get some flight hours without the risk of the rivets coming loose and the planes falling apart
They got chinese planes not western ones though.

>>63940320
>Nah, russians by most of the stuff freely and without any issues, unlike ukies.
Source?

>>63939494
it's a nafri subhuman leave him alone.

good for them
everyone has the right to defend themselves from attack

>>63938812 (OP)
May I see them?

>>63938878
>chinks don't really get cold feet when it comes to weapons sales.
Then why aren't they supplying Russia - their numbah won ally with Chinese weapons?

>>63938812 (OP)
SHABBAT
SHALOOOOOOOOM LEKULAAAAAAMMMMMM

>>63938848
They only managed to destroy dissociated airframes in the recent war, how would they get actual fighters this time lmao.

>>63939036
Germany is one of Israel's main weapon suppliers, dumbo.

>>63938878
Jets for oil brother, I'm sure the chinks got a good deal its not like Iran has any other options

BTW Trump has nothing to do with the Pentagon pausing weapons aid. Hegseth, like all other SecDefs in the last 20 years at least is just an empty suite with no power outside of his own office. What happened was that the DoD bureaucracy decided its stockpiles are threatened with too much depletion so political forces have moved to try and protect them. The “pause for review” is an excuse to end the expenditure of hard-to-replace inventory (ie air defense interceptors). Pro-support political forces, centered in State and which are very powerful, will of course push back on this. Notice how the Trump admin seems like it’s just a spectator with its thumb stuck in its mouth this time — that’s because that’s literally what they are in this case. It’s not a high-risk political play to get a peace deal like the last pause which lasted 2 days (if at all and I suspect not one truck was stopped during those 2 days), it’s one of the major Federal bureaucracies trying to protect its stuff.

I can see why they would want to. No money has been earmarked for extended production of key systems like SAMs in over 3 fucking years. Sophisticated AD assets are being spent downing low-value junk like Shaheds with no end in immediate sight. The bureaucracy wants to hold on to their remaining inventory, it’s not hard to understand. If they were comitted to winning the war they’d have went in 3 years ago, but they don’t or can’t so State had to carry the effort. That’s reality.

>>63940739
>h too much depletion
Of sparrow missiles???????

>>63939318
DJI sent russia the tools and software it developed to help chinese cops track its drones for free

>>63940568
What does Russia provide China that they can't get from other partners? It isn't like they have a massive oil pipeline to China the way Russia does with the EU.

>>63940502
you're right, my baby in hydraulic press crushing factory should be allowed to defend itself from barbarists with 30 mm goalkeeper CIWS

chinaboos are so fucking cringe. all your info is either feels or propaganda.

>>63938812 (OP)
I doubt they delivered anything
even if they did it takes years to get IOC and over a decade to get full capabilites after a major doctrinal change

BTW I don’t believe this story because I don’t find it credible that Chinese aerospace companies just manufacture fighter jets for the warehouse. These are depreciating assets why on EARTH would they throw money down the toilet for no reason? Just in case some 3rd world country needs an emergency delivery of planes? Fuck off. Every fighter jet on the planet leaves its factory with its customer’s name on it. IF the story is true it can only be because some other customer reneged on the purchase or they’re fucking some other 3rd world country out of their deliveries to hook up Iran.

>>63938812 (OP)
>send russians money
>get no jets
>send chinese money
>get jets

>>63940438
1. ukies are posting their purchasing related butthurts for like 2+ years now;
2. russians are freely buying stuff, outside of situations where they get scammed or hacked by ukies (a la the famous situation where they've purchased boxes of dildos instead of parts using the accounts of russian suppliers);

>>63938812 (OP)
did they just have them laying about or did they sell 2nd hand A models? Cause I can't imagine they put together 40 airframes together in 6 weeks

>>63940828
If these are new units, only explanation I can think of is that this is diverted PLAAF stock. Iran pays 2x what the PLAAF sticker price is, and the money is redirected towards J35A production.

>>63940828
Could be an emergency delivery from PLA stocks which will be replenished later.

>>63940381
>post chinese weapons (better than air rifles) used by russia
a) this was routinely claimed by ukie intelligence, e.g. https://www.politico.eu/article/china-is-supplying-weapons-to-russia-zelenskyy-said/
b) artillery and mortar shells with chink-specific design were observed in RU online media;

>>63938812 (OP)
Does anyone have a source for this claim besides OP's pic? I can't find anything.

1) How are Iranians affording this?
2) Why are Chinese willing to "test" out their jets here and have potential weaknesses of them revealed? If they're slop, then they're gonna get BTFO anyway. If they are good, then their advantage will be revealed and either make America step up its game on jet fighters, or give them info on how to defeat those jets easier.

>>63939438
The population is over 90% Han, and while there are differences between Han residents of different places, the vast majority of the population is either depoliticized like in Russia or rabid CCP supporters.

>>63941354
1) with money and resources

2) its an export 4th gen plane not their j-20 5th gen. Many other countries have used their j-10s you might recall the Pakistan India fight not long ago involving the j-10

>>63938932
>cant do cool manuevers

>>63938932
>but still gives out a large heat signature that can be seen from hundreeds of miles away using IR

>>63941395
>you might recall the Pakistan India fight not long ago involving the j-10
And who had which jet?
Chinks should just clone the F-15 and give that to Israel given that that jet has an unfuckable radar range and hasn't ever been shot down still AFAIK.

>>63938932
>and will give away its position when using radar
What is LPI... You were wrong about literally everything you posted. How van one be so stupid and ignorant?
The F-35 is the second-best maneuverable fighter the US has; one bested by the F-22. See: >>63941399
The F-35 incorporates extensive IR reduction technologies - including a top coating that reduces its IR signature even more. As you can see, it is much cooling the F-16, here:
>>63941402

>>63941395
>Many other countries have used their j-10s you might recall the Pakistan India fight not long ago involving the j-10
May I see the pakoids using their J-10s against poos?

>>63938851
I don't see what's wrong with it. It's good for the chinks to get test data against american jets

>>63941403
Pakistan had the j-10 and supposedly downed some French rafale planes India had

>>63938887
Underrated post

>>63941424
good morning sirs

>>63938887
kekk

>>63938812 (OP)
Why should I trust a jewish telegram channel?

How many F-16s have the ukies gotten since 2022?

>>63938993
This board will be unusable.

>>63939354
I think you should say thank you.

>>63941430
Would you like to compare who is actually White with timestamped hand and eye pics you sub-human mutant turd colored inbred? Fuck pakoids and their literal blood brothers, the poos. Both of you shit colored mutants need a forced extinction.

>>63939545
You think like a japanese commander pre pearl harbor

>>63939354
>China can lose 300 million people
They literally can not. There would be riots the likes you've never seen if those parent's only child is killed in a war. Those kids are to be taking care of their elderly parents, not dieing for the CCP when they have parents to care for and financially support. You are completely ignorant of China, yet think yourself an all-knowing genius - like all brainlet know-nothing idiots do.

>>63941470
>paying to give your DNA to corpo scum
Wew

>>63939545
>that has the capability to kinetically hit places like Hawaii and the West Coast?
Proofs?

>>63941352
There is no reliable source

>>63941482
>seething sub-human pissed when shown superior genes

>63941489
>thinly veiled neutrooler
go eat cow poop sukdeep

>>63941470
>he's a white incel
tragic

>>63939137
If Chinese were serious about supporting Russians, there would be 100 drones for each Ukrainian and then no Ukrainians left

>>63941493
See: >>63941470
Would you like to compare who is actually White?
>>63941494
>Coping incel shitskin projecting his shit existence on his superior
Pathetic

>>63941512
What are you 16-20?

>>63941517
What are you, a 12-year-old shitskin on a cheap Android shartphone and shitty internet? Using all your slow data just to seethe on /k/. Thank the White man for that shartphone, the internet, and the wireless technology you use to seethe 24/7/365.

>>63938851
China is pretty reliant on Iranian oil. They could survive being cut off, but being friendly with Tehran gives them a big supply of sanctions-proof and affordable hydrocarbons. In long-term strategy, China needs Iran and Iran definitely needs China.
Without Iran, they would get fucked for hydrocarbon supplies in a hot war.

>>63939375
>3GD cope
you love to see it

>>63941512
>he's a white incel and a poltard
tragic

>>63941536
>projecting shitskin
Why is that all you shit colored mutants can do?

>>63941530
Lol cope

There is no reason an American would be so invested in India or Pakistan like this. Can we sperate the internet from other countries please?

>>63939475
It's not any worse than 4++ chink designs but the fighters but the PRC would have delivered them on time and under budget. >>63939939
Tbf, the F-35 has few themal signature mitigation features compared to the F-22 and the stealth bombers. It might well be targetable with IRST before radar (still <50 miles max even with the most implessive chinkware)

>>63941551
>Imagine stealing a pic just to copepost
lol lmao even.

>>63941611
>Tbf, the F-35 has few themal signature mitigation features compared to the F-22 and the stealth bombers.
Stop talking about shit you obviously know nothing about.
>>63941402

>>63941702
Part II

>>63941708
GE's Lo Axi nozzle (left) nd P&W's LOAN nozzles.
https://www.lockheedmartin.com/content/dam/lockheed-martin/eo/documents/webt/F-35_Air_Vehicle_Technology_Overview.pdf

>>63939487
>Their only other option is to mass import immigrants
They've been trying to do this for a solid decade now but for some mysterious reason no one wants to live in China

>>63939507
The last solid number I heard was 8
As in 8 airframes in existence, total

>>63939939
So why didn't the Iranians try that?

>>63941354
Chinks have been trying to break into the jet export market for years, this is just them moving in on Russias market share now that they are out of the game
Selling to Iran generates immediate international attention while sending the message that they will also sell to anyone else, its just good marketing

>>63941449
I think they're in the low thirties at this point
Slow and steady wins the race

>>63938812 (OP)
NUKE TEL AVIV. PLEASE.

>>63941426
69 rafael nadals already downed alhamdulillah
First in the ummah cummah to do so

There are people here who actually believe this. The absolute state of you retards

>>63938812 (OP)
>Yitzhak, grab the Sufas we're giving them a 6 Day War special

>>63941823
ALLAH IS REAL DM HIM AND HE WILL DO IT

>>63942044

>>63942125
>Lose every single military leader of any importance
>Lose entire air force on the ground
>Can't fire a single SAM to validate your sovereign countries airspace
>Lose the only weapons program your country has that has any possibility of deterring Jews from butt fucking you daily
>Watch as jew commandos literally drive around killing your civilian and military installations with impunity
But we posted AI slop boys! Pizzreal is so done!

>>63940739
Reads like cope didn't read, but please consider:
>already in poland
>the AIM-7 Sparrow air-to-air missile
>no pause if it's Israel
So the point is cruelty. Fanboys will swear this is how winning looks like

>>63938838
if you believe this you have an iq of about 25

>>63942125
stunning military victory

This thread reeks of fried rice and burnt dates

>>63942165
>Fail every one of your strategic objectives
>Need to call in Trump to perform a saving face attack
>Beg for a ceasefire
>Claim victory
But we massacred civilians boys! Le Lions of le Judah win again!

>>63942309
>>Fail every one of your strategic objectives
nuclear sites bombed to decimated, scientists bombed to bits, ballistic missile production crippled

>>Need to call in Trump to perform a saving face attack
savng face attack is when american bombs do exactly what they were designed to do, i.e., burrow themselves deep in nuclear sites underneath Iranian mountains and then decimating said nuclear sites

>>Beg for a ceasefire
things that happened in your dreams. also, if israel was begging for a ceasefire why would iran accept it? surely, they could have just kept delimitating the zionists entity, right, right?

>But we massacred civilians boys!
cope and seethe. iran lost more generals than the number of civilians they killed in israel btw. they got a proper whopping

>>63942350
>nuclear sites bombed to decimated
No proof btw. All estimates point to them recovering within a few months.

>ballistic missile production crippled
All sitting comfy underground. Eastern factories and missile cities practically untouched. Iran didn't even break out the new shit Israeli attacks were that pathetic.

>then decimating said nuclear sites
If only there was any proof to this beyond "just trust me bro." It's a saving face attack because the entire operation was a failure and Bibi begged Trump to give him an out by being able to claim that they destroyed everything.

>surely, they could have just kept delimitating the zionists entity, right, right?
Iran is a country that practices patience, something braindead Israelis have no concept of. They know Israel is fucked in the long term so there's no point in wasting missiles bombing them after already proving their defenses were jack shit. If Isreal was le whooping Iran, why did they ask for a ceasefire?

>iran lost more generals than the number of civilians they killed in israel btw.
Oh no, the figure head generals got wacked in between Israel massacring hundreds of civilians and teaching the Iranians exactly why they shouldn't seek rapprochement with the West. I'm sure the Iranians are ready to rise up to topple le regime after hundreds of their neighbors were killed in a perfidious unprovoked surprise attack.

By the way, please point to any time in modern history where the assassination of military officials degraded the effectiveness of the military in any substantial way. Le "decapitation strikes" don't work and only served as propaganda food to convince braindead Israelis like (You) that their military isn't an embarrassing failure.

>>63939404
>No they're not. China is a mix of dozens of different legally recognised ethnicities all held together by Xi
Yes, obvisouly, but when Xi says jump they jump.
Which is an advantage when he makes smart decisions and a crippling disadvantage when he does dumb shit.

>>63942372
>No proof btw. All estimates point to them recovering within a few months.
false. like everything you spout out

>All sitting comfy underground.
you can't move full scale BM missile production completely underground. they had many important parts of the supply chain manufacturing above ground. and were bombed to shits. even some of those underground were bombed

>Eastern factories and missile cities practically untouched
practically is doing a lot of work there, given that reality says otherwise

>It's a saving face attack because the entire operation was a failure and Bibi begged Trump to give him an out by being able to claim that they destroyed everything
sounds like you're a guy who loves his proof. so i am gonna ask for proof of this beyond your shizo rambles.

>Iran is a country that practices patience, something braindead Israelis have no concept of.
they practised so much patience that they watched the ring of fire they spent years and billions disappear right in front of them without so much as lifting a finger. this comes years after shills were telling us about how they were dominating the region. now Assad is gone and hezbollah is castrated.

>They know Israel is fucked in the long term so
israel is doing better than iran on every single metric you can think of now and in the future. iran is an unstable shithole. i'll bet good money the people will rise up and iran will whack them in large numbers again like last time.

>already proving their defenses were jack shit.
they were so jack shit that iran decided to lobby them at dense civilian areas instead of disabling israeli bases and centres of gravity for the idf and iaf. nigger please

>>63942372
>>By the way, please point to any time in modern history where the assassination of military officials degraded the effectiveness of the military in any substantial way.
what is "substantial" way. you added that because it's a way to cope with getting your command crippled. targeting C&C and centers of gravity obviously works.


>Le "decapitation strikes" don't work and only served as propaganda food to convince braindead Israelis like (You) that their military isn't an embarrassing failure
and yet they've had a stunning victory. iran couldn't do so much as fire BMs at cities and kill civilians to impress retards like you. they couldn't hit bases, couldn't hit logistics points. failed to destroy a single airplane. they're the biggst clowns it's hilarious.

>>63939238
This Chinese move isn't retarded. They are catching weapons market falling out from Russian hands in a hard way.
You need weapons?
Call China, delivery next Monday. Nobody can't stop it neither Putin nor Trump.
Fucking great AD campaign for arms trader..

>>63940320
Nah. Fire up Russian VPN and go to AliExpress and Alibaba, they don't even show you drone and drone parts offers.
Of course it's Pontius Pilate's lips service, you can always send greetings from Kazakhstan and Chinese pretend they don't recognize your Russian.

>>63942372
>Iran is a country that practices patience, something braindead Israelis have no concept of.
No Iranians are retards. If they just developed nukes in silence theyve could finish them. And Israelis thumping war drums and bombing Iran "unprovoked" would like unhinged retards and it would dbe much difficult for Israel to get allies on board of that campaign.
But when itself. For decades sponsored terrorism and miles stories against Israel , open baosted they destroy Israel and finally bombed Israel themselves. Yep they persuaded America that Israel has a point about Iran.
Imagine trying to get America on board if Iran did nothing. But no Iran needed to act like a loud mouthed nigger. FAFO.

>>63942309
you live in the global south or just a bitter immigrant?

>>63938812 (OP)
How long would it take to actually get the Iranian air force to properly field these things? After years of shitty Russian planes, they would need to learn to fly, repair, fuel, and arm these new planes before they actually become a legitimate threat to another military.

>>63942405
>pentagon says
lol
lmao even

>israel is doing better than iran on every single metric you can think of now and in the future.
for now, living off of daddy americas money

>>63942408
>and yet they've had a stunning victory
so stunning they begged for a peace treaty
>iran couldn't do so much as fire BMs at cities and kill civilians to impress retards like you. they couldn't hit bases, couldn't hit logistics points. failed to destroy a single airplane. they're the biggst clowns it's hilarious.

who controls the media? none of the information is going through
if you knew the reality you would piss your pants the way IDF soldiers do when not fighting children

>>63939438
>visit China
Even as youre getting your ass reamed out youre still shilling for the tourism board

>>63942772

>>63942783
might be one of those maga communists

>>63942772
>lmao even
>all estimates say. b-but not that one
cope.


>so stunning they begged for a peace treaty
1. you don't know what a peace treaty is
2. you made that up just like everything you say

>who controls the media? none of the information is going through
do they also control chinese satellites? no. oh ok then

>if you knew the reality
i know the reality. scores of dead iranian tools. one wonders how much they spent on funerals

>>63942783
>>63942828
>iranian facilities depth
>80-100 m
>GOP penetration
>60 m max

cope seethe piss your diapers etc

>>63942996
>>60 m max
>put one on top of another
cope and seethe

>>63942996
That's the claim for the GBU-57A, we're on the GBU-57E or F now with at least one of the upgrades over the years being to increase penetration depth, which was reported as a success, though no new penetration depth number was released publicly.

And we dropped multiple MOPs into a single entry point which would further enhance penetration depth.

>>63938812 (OP)
>Can't wait to see these Chinese shitboxes spiderwebed
>t. retard that thinks it takes 30 years to make a nuke and will be flabbergasted when Iran has nukes in within the next 3 years

>>63938856
>40 forth generation Jets
>crazy capability

>>63938812 (OP)
the source for it is a fake news twitter
so no

>>63943058
Not to mention, it's a lie.

Current estimates put the J-10C production rate at 50-60 per year.

>>63943037
>>63943039
>one on top of the other
this isnt a video game or a fast and furious movie

>That's the claim for the GBU-57A, we're on the GBU-57E or F now with at least one of the upgrades over the years being to increase penetration depth

monkey model tier cope
trumps attack failed
usaf failed

>>63943144
I'm sure a tour of the undamaged facility will be forthcoming shortly then

>>63938932
>it has less payload capacity than the f16
bullshit, F35 can carry like 50% more

Is everyone forgetting that the USAF themselves say that the stealth in the F-35 (and consequently the F22 and B-2) will be obsolete in 10 years due to advances in multispecturm + fine beam ASEA radars, nevermind better IR/EOTS

>>63939578
>supporter of Flordian Independence
That's not as fun as the guys who want Florida returned to the UK because it wasn't specifically mentioned in the Declaration of Independence or something.

You guys just don’t understand how serious the Kheibar Shekan is. This missile is not joke. On videos you can really tell when it hits compared to other missiles. Iran can launch it in few minutes, from trucks that look like normal delivery. It fly 1450 km, fast like Mach 4, and when it come down, it moves side to side so your defense systems can’t catch it. Even Iron Dome, Patriot, Arrow they cant do shit. And the warhead is big enough to destroy a base or airfield easy. Iran already used it in 2024 and again in 2025, and some hit targets. They didn’t miss all. If they fire ten or twenty at once, you won’t stop all of them. I’m telling you, this thing is powerful. Beautiful design, honestly. It’s called Ghost missile for a reason and reaches Tel Aviv in just 3 minutes. And there’s 10 000 of them according to most sources waiting patiently.

>>63943190
>Florida returned to the UK
Not even perfideous Albion deserves such misfortune.

>>63943210
>You guys just don’t understand how serious the Kheibar Shekan is. This missile is not joke. On videos you can really tell when it hits compared to other missiles. Iran can launch it in few minutes, from trucks that look like normal delivery. It fly 1450 km, fast like Mach 4, and when it come down, it moves side to side so your defense systems can’t catch it. Even Iron Dome, Patriot, Arrow they cant do shit. And the warhead is big enough to destroy a base or airfield easy. Iran already used it in 2024 and again in 2025, and some hit targets. They didn’t miss all. If they fire ten or twenty at once, you won’t stop all of them. I’m telling you, this thing is powerful. Beautiful design, honestly. It’s called Ghost missile for a reason and reaches Tel Aviv in just 3 minutes. And there’s 10 000 of them according to most sources waiting patiently.

>>63943210
if there's 10,000 of them how come they didn't wipe israel off the map last month

>>63943144
>this isnt a video game or a fast and furious
ohh i am sorry. do you think this isn't possible? how do you think nasrallah was killed? or the GBU-57s themselves were dropped? 6 bombs were dropped at one aim point, where the ventilation was constructed

>>63943210
>it's called ghost missile
nobody cares what you call your thirdie missiles, we're not adopting your donut steel name for it.
you come of as a faggot with how much you want us to like it.

>>63943395
pic rel from the official brifefing. one bombs was used to blow the shaft open. the rest followed

>>63943403
actually damn. upon further reading, there were two ventilation shafts. 6 bombs MOPS were dropped on each. meaning at total of 12. yeah no it's cooked

>>63942350
>if israel was begging for a ceasefire why would Iran accept it?

war is good for no one and Iran knows this, israel does not

its fucking ludicrious, LUDICROUS to suggest israel wouldnt have continued to pounce on Iran, were it actually 'winning'
imagine how fucking retarded you sound
>"we blew up all of Irans nuke program!"
>"we blew up all of their AD, we have total aerial superiority"
>"OUR STATED GOAL IS REGIME CHANGE!!! *plays commercial of satanyahu begging Iranians to rise up on their leaders*
>*israel decides to sign a peace deal*

HAHAHHAA
AHAAHHAHAHA
AHAHAHAHHAHA

the 40 year plan to put Iran on its back FAILED
sneak attack and everything
40 fucking years, and you finally got US strikes on Iran
>AND IT CAME TO NOTHING
HHAHHAHAH
AHAHAHAHAHA
AHAHA

>>63943463
>war is good for no one and Iran knows this, israel does not
winning wars is good actually. israel knows this

>its fucking ludicrious, LUDICROUS to suggest israel wouldnt have continued to pounce on Iran,
no one suggested this. israel had the main stated goals of crippling the nuclear program and ballistic misisle production. they got that done. there would be no reason to continue after that

>>"OUR STATED GOAL IS REGIME CHANGE!!!
please. please show me where the stated goal by the idf or israeli government was regime changed. i'll wait.


>>*israel decides to sign a peace deal*
no one signed any peace deal, you smooth brain. there was a ceasefire agreement. that's it. fighting is expected again at some point in the near future. learn the difference before talking almighty

>>AND IT CAME TO NOTHING
yeah i am sure iran's nuclear sites are intact after the americans dropped the bombs that were designed exactly for that on them. lmfao

>>63943395
>>63943403
>>63943430

>>63943463
lol lmao

>>63938812 (OP)
You should go to the board where you can post about things other than weapons and your post would fit
Like bant or pol
Or this thread

>>>/bant/22898673

>>63943480
>"please. please show me where the stated goal by the idf or israeli government was regime changed. i'll wait.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XD4ZBIWpmKg

israels stated goal was regime change
they failed this goal to the hardest extent possible


>"hahah israel didnt sign a peace deal! just a ceasefire! israel will continue fighting later!"

WHY STOP NOW THEN???
WHY LET IRAN REGROUP???

i thought you had them bloodied, knocked out even....so you show them 'mercy' let them get up, regroup, re-arm and re-strategize?
it makes zero sense

THE USE LITERALLY STRUCK IRANIAN SOIL FOR THE FIST TIME
this was supposed to be "the moment" for israel, and it came and went and peace was signed so fast their yiddish heads were spinning

you make absolutely zero sense why israel did not dog maul Iran *IF* it actually had them 'beaten'

>>63943516
>could be the results
do you have a hard time understanding English or are you just incredibly stupid?

>WHY STOP NOW THEN???
because the goals have been achieved. iran will obviously rebuild within 1 to 2 years as estimates put it and the fighting will kick off again by then. this is simple stuff. but i see everything has to be explained slowly to you.

>>63943555
browns gonna brown bro

>>63943555
>because the goals have been achieved. iran will obviously rebuild within 1 to 2 years as estimates put it and the fighting will kick off again by then.

WHY WOULD israel ALLOW THIS??
WHY?
WHY?
WHY?

you had Iran *this close* right....??
you even had US strikes on Iranian soil (UNPRECEDENTED)

and the immediate morning after, you capitulate and agree to PEACE...???

WHY?
WHY?
it makes ZERO senes
WHY would israel do this? why not end the possibility of the program ever coming back?
isnt that what israel was doing by targeting the scientists?

thats what you told global media it was about
>"ending the program forever"
and it was constantly spouted
>"IRAN MAY NEVER HAVE A NUCLEAR BOMB"
what (this month) or something?
why let them get up, re-arm and re-start the program

it makes zero fucking sense ZERO
why israel would sign ANYTHING with Iran allegedly down, let alone agree to peace with it

>>63943626
no one thinks you can permanently stop rebuilding without regime change, which would require full scale war. Israel doesn't want a full-scale war. they just want to see certain objectives achieved just like it had happened in syria and iraq.

>you even had US strikes on Iranian soil
the strikes by the US weren't a symbolic show of force as mudslimes love to do. they came in the to bomb the sites because they're the only ones who could drop that bomb.

>>63943665
>they just want to see certain objectives achieved
which ones were those (specifically) because israel FAILED every single stated objective it set forth
every single one of them

>"no one thinks you can permanently stop rebuilding without regime change"
cant stand this idiotic jewish circular arguing

>"our goal isnt regime change, its to destroy Irans nuclear program!"
>"we have murdered the scientists, bombed the infrastructure and destroyed it! objective achieved we never wanted regime change!"
>"actually, Regime change is the only way you can stop a nuclear program, because bombing knowledge doesnt work!"
>"i guess well just have to fight again in 1 or 2 years when israel recovers from the damage!"

its absurd, but like all things with you people, all we have to do is keep letting you talk your self further and further into the grave you dug.

just think, all you have to do is hand *the rope* out for free, and the jew will take enough to lynch not only himself, but his whole country

>>63943711
>which ones were those (specifically) because israel FAILED every single stated objective it set forth
cripple BM missile production and target their arsenal and dismantle the nuclear programme. both goals were achieved. the last with the help of the us

>>"actually, Regime change is the only way you can stop a nuclear program, because bombing knowledge doesnt work!"
permantely stop, retard. you can halt something without doing it permantelly. don't know why you're having a hard time understanding that. given how simple it is, but it's not surprising.

>>63938970
>Also IR, Ww2 radar waves, seeing where they are shooting the radar from are all reliable ways to know were the f35 is

Cool, none of these are good enough at detecting the f35 to be usable in a guided munition

>>63939354
Anon I don't think you understand how human populations work. China doesn't have "extra" population compared to the west, all of their population is part of the economy and their capabilities just like any other country. If you take out 20% of their population they're going to be producing 20% less. It doesn't matter if the remaining 80% is still more another country's 100% if 80% of china's current output is less than 100% the other country's output.

>>63939498
Because losing 50-75 million military age males and females would be even worse

>>63943072
even putting production rate aside. weapons acquisitions usually takes months to finalize. it's not like walking into a store and making an order

>>63941696
Are you done embarrassing yourself now?

https://www.speedtest.net/result/17938296278.png

>>63939545
>It'll absolutely have an affect and hand waving it won't change the fact that people will absolutely freak the fuck out once American assets start getting hit.
why do asians keep thinking Americans work like this?

>>63939708
It's more a clone of the IAI Lavi, which is an Israeli F-16 clone.

>>63943626
calm down helmettard, you're going to overheat again.

>>63939708
>what the hackers exposed when they took down this site.
That was such an unbelievably bad hoax, almost firehose-of-falsehood tier

>>63943738
so zero stated goals achieved
and israel is in a demonstrably worse place today that it was before it started attacking Iran....GOT IT

>>63944678
>so zero stated goals achieved
true. iran is enriching uranium, building nukes and bms as we speak.

> israel is in a demonstrably worse place today that it was before it started attacking Iran
ok demonstrate then

>>63938856
They don't even have to be good. If a Chinese engine lasts 700 flight hours it's 4-10x the calculated life expectancy of an Iranian J-10

>>63938878
>political willpower
you cant politically will ten million shells and two hundred planes into existence. the chinks can.

>>63944712
we don't need to, we already have them.
what the chinks can will into existence is a bunch of planes that get annihilated the moment they meet a western airforce.

>>63944698
>ok demonstrate then
real easy, the entire world saw tel-aviv and haifa get smashed
or do you think rainstorms of Iranian ballistic missiles are good for your infrastructure and power plants?

is this some kind of fucking joke?

>>63944787
>real easy, the entire world saw tel-aviv and haifa get smashed
so how is israel in a worse position because of this? you're not explaining
>or do you think rainstorms of Iranian ballistic missiles are good for your infrastructure and power plants?
so a bunch of peole so missiles land at israel and that's it. that's how they're worse off? you think some perceptions by mouth breathers on twitter is better than having your missile production and nuclear sites, AD operators, soldiers, bases be turned into smoldering crap is somehow better? lol

>>63944834
saw missiles land*

>>63944172
Clearly you hacked into speedtest.net to fake your result, you can't fool me!

>>63944834
That's what face culture does to a motherfucker. Their nuclear program got sent back to square one and their entire military just got ruthlessly and effortlessly dunked on, but none of that matters as long as they find a way to sace face. Ah! The world saw Tel Aviv get hit with some bombs! That's enough to decare victory, which now means it's real and nothing needs to change and you may NOT question it. It's entire nations of actual adults who no-shit believe in meme magic.

uh ho! iran shut down the internet again

>>63944900
it seems to be a mostly muslim thing. not sure i am aware of other cultures doing it. they always declare victory no matter what.

>>63944911
>...

>>63944953
pretty sure the goal was to topple assad and find and destroy WMDs. aside from the WMDs not existing, it seems they achieved the missions

>b-but le aftermath
no

>>63944967
oops meant saddam.

The ultimate irony is that the J-10 is based off the IAI Lavi that the Israelis sold the Chinese the design when America cucked Israel out making the Lavis (as the last thing they wanted was a real F-16 competitor). The Israelis must be seething that their guys are going to get blown by a design they made but that is what the Israels get for trusting the Chinese.

Of course I am going to try the shills with my post but Jane's reported on it (and they are legit as it comes):
>https://web.archive.org/web/20080526183625/http://www.janes.com/news/defence/jdw/jdw080519_2_n.shtml

>>63938856
Look at all the booty blasted Euros replying to you (who shouldn't even be allowed to post on /k/). But you are correct, the reason why China is taking over the world is because they don't fuck around with their allies (which is something the USA does well contrary what /pol/ says).

>>63944953
to be fair things had gone really well at that point, then Bush picked the silliest clown he could find, Ian Bremer who decided it was a good idea to disband the Iraqi army.

Dude just looked at all the shit that worked after the end of WW2 and threw it in garbage bin. YOU KEEP THE PEOPLE WHO RUN THE COUNTRY AND HAVE THE GUNS ON YOUR PAYROLL RETARD, IF YOU TELL THEM TO FUCK OFF THEY JUST DON'T STOP EXISTING.

>>63944970
>a design they made

>>63943570
I love this insult. For leftys they call them anti-semites while for rightys they call them brown, completely ignoring the fact that the majority of Israel are Arab Jews and that Israel is fucking loved in Nigeria and NIger.

>>63944975
See? Called it. The IAI Lavi turned into the J-10 and now that same plane is going to end up being used by Iran.

Cope more.

>>63944900
>Their nuclear program got sent back to square one
No proof.
>entire military just got ruthlessly and effortlessly dunked on
Show a single picture of an IAF plane over any Iranian city.

The only "Saving Face" that happened in this war was Israel calling in ZIon Don to bomb Fordow so that Israel can claim that they dismantled Iran's nuclear program. Entire war was a failure to a hilariously embarrassing degree.

>>63945045
>The only "Saving Face" that happened in this war was Israel calling in ZIon Don to bomb Fordow so that Israel can claim that they dismantled Iran's nuclear program. Entire war was a failure to a hilariously embarrassing degree
the american forces prepared for the mission for 15 years. i know it's hard to understand for you but they meant business. they don't "save face". the bomb was created because of the sites in iran

>>63945045
>Show a single picture of an IAF plane over any Iranian city.
because of course, when flying deep in enemy space, the thing they would want to do is fly low enough to get hit by the SAMs used to take out drones or get SAMbushed

>>63945045
Why would an IAF plane be flying directly over an Iranian city?

JDAMs have 20-70km range depending on the version.

Even if you owned the airspace and had decimated their air defenses, flying directly over an Iranian city would be mostly pointless, especially at lower altitudes that would be easily visible to the naked eye.

>>63945059
It's glaringly obvious Bibi called in Trump once Israel was getting fucked by Iran. If it was actually a part of the le plan, why did they wait 10 days to actually do it instead of it being the starter? Giving Iran plenty of time to move out the enriched Uranium? Why did Israel pussy out of toppling le regime despite that being their stated goal? If the BM capabilities were so degraded, why did the last attack of the war be the most damaging?

It's pretty clear to everyone that Israel got fucked hard and had basically no backup plan for if Iran didn't collapse. They'll continue to peddle their "le decapitations" as if the killing of military figures has ever resulted in the degrading of combat effectiveness, but this was is pretty obviously yet another failure for a military that has been nothing but failure for the past 50 years. Decades of preparation gone like a wet fart.

>>63945090
not reading anymore of your shizo rambles. happy for you though

>>63945092
>Nooooooooo, don't discuss military topics on the military board!!!! I just wanna call people brown!!!!!
I accept your concession.

>>63945101
>military topics
>just making shit up
nah

>>63944970
>e J-10 is based off the
You can literally check their developmental progress since the 1960s. China (GDP per capita below african countries) had far more research done in aeronautics than IAI, later they added the avionics as a mix of soviet crap, partially western system and a lot of their commercial developments (unlike israel China is a powerhouse in radios and electronics). Keep repeating that bs like a braindead bot.

>>63944970
This is the only real source even this source is far from firsthand knowledge.

> In 2008, Janes claimed that the J-10 benefited from technical information from the Israeli project, citing senior Russian engineers who said they had heard this from Chinese colleagues

>>63945166
>>63945210
ugly plane

>>63945217

>>63941823
This

>>63945166
>>63945210
>>63945222
what do these have to do with the J10's being sent to iran?

>>63945059
Remember anon, these savages project their face-saving desert cult culture onto anything that moves, every accusation and made up fantasy is a projection. Don't fall for it!

>>63938923

>>63939939
go back to bed pierre.

>>63938838
The EU is pro Iran

>>63942309
>get your proxies completely demolished in Lebanon, Gaza
>lose syria to NATO
>entire top of military structure is blown up within 12 days
>get completely humiliated by Israel flying drones over Tehran without opposition
>blow up an apartment building with a jew in it
>w-w-we won!

>>63939939
Radar, the thing that stealth aircraft are specialized against, can potentially detect and achieve target lock on them from farther away than IRST you retard. Even in cases where IRST has an advantage in detection range, that still places them comfortably within range of standoff munitions and IR stealth capabilities of stealth aircraft that are already meant to defeat more capable sensors.

>>63942165
>Lose every single military leader of any importance


dumbest thing I've ever read. Iranian military has 250000 people.

>>63943480

Imagine if US acted the same with Iraq War

>shock and awe over Baghdad
>achieve superiority over Iraq military
>Saddam offers ceasefire
>George Bush: ya mission complete, let's go home.
>US accepted ceasefire and war ends in a week.

>>63945924

You mean lose Syria to AlQaeda?

>>63945083

air superiority?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/n9Pv3g-lLyA

>>63946240
2 different goals. 2 different capabilities. 2003 was a large scale invasion after Iraq was raped in desert storm. Israel has bombed Syrias and Iraq nuclear sites before. It has nothing to do with a full scale invasion. Everyone with a iq higher than 95 understands thjs

>>63946256
>doesn't know what air superiority is
>bragging about a small obirter drone that was downed on national TV
Only in the mudslime third world. Funny how they can easily show this, but can't show the 5 F35s they claim to have downed

>>63945362
There are no J10s being sent to iran

>>63938812 (OP)
Nonsense.

Pilot training takes 6 months minimum and technician training is longer.

western media has a sub-zero credibility on anything related to Iran.
Isreal and US strikes carried out illegally in peactime were simply an attempt to assassinate Irans political leadership and didn't really serve a military purpse.
if Iran has nukes, it's because China gave them nukes, and because the IAEC leaked all Irans facilities to the US and Isreal Iran has now pulled out, effectively signalling that they will just buy Chinese nukes and hide them somewhere. Telaviv clearly isn't protected, and Iranian SCUD and medium range missile could all carry a 50Kt nuke which could erase half of Israel.

And worse, the US and Isreal failed to demonstrate air superiority, contented airspace, even with the support of 6 countries Isreal couldn't secure air superiority and the US cannot safely enter the gulf with carriers. China will pay for every US carrier Iran smokes. Everyone wants this to be a proxy war in Iran, not a peer-peer conflict on the Chinese eastern seaboard.
China wants control of their own cargo ships, which are now the worlds cargo ships. America will cede naval power to China, the gulf, the pacific, but the US wants the facilities of middle powers. Iran, Turkey, India, Australia, Argentina, that's sort of the agreed on outcome here.

So Isreal is totally fucked here because they will get US support, but Iran will get Chinese support, and then an iran-iraq style slug-fest will ensue with major power backers really just trying to destroy both countries. Isreal will get invaded by all it's neibours at once and cease to exist as a country, Tehrahn will be a crater, china gets the gulf, US gets OPEP back

>>63946240
Fair assessment, but the take-away here is that rather than stopping Iran, or even making any attempt to stop Iran, the US will force Iran and Isreal into a crippling war, then sue Iran for oil, leaing Isreal for dead.
If the Isreali's loose their airstrips, all of which are within strike range of multiple enemy states, and Isreal cant support combined air, they cease to exist as a country. Already the Isrealis are moving air assets to neibouring states and calling in allied air.

>>63946921
>And worse, the US and Isreal failed to demonstrate air superiority, contented airspace, even with the support of 6 countries Isreal couldn't secure air superiority and the US cannot safely enter the gulf with carriers.
didn't american 4th and 5th gen aircraft waltz into iran and drop dozens of MOPs without a single loss of an aircraft. you're retarded

>>63942195
Cool how the guy gave you a lil lesson of how large scale government bureocracies work and your response it to not read it and greentext and post buzzwords and catchphrases. Go back to /int/ and learn how to actually read and speak English, Slav.

>>63938812 (OP)
Also real cool how a thread based off a edited telegram post about literal fake news got to bump limit. What a board full of faggots. You all deserve your shitty PSA glock knock offs and chink airsoft gear and never ending threads about Warhammer and what if scenarios that make no sense.

>>63940381
>abuse of their position
>as long as their
You're such a stinky yellow skinned fucking gook dog. You ate your cockroach today or you prefer fried human liver?

>>63941354
>post bullshit telegram post
>nerd 1 posts questions of how this is happening and why
>nerd 2 posts actual answers as if any of it is happening
>dink shills use the answers to propagandize about their faggot jet
This board is getting on the level of /v/, /int/ and /pol/ in regards to propaganda. With the Iranians getting bombed we wouldn't be having as much BBC porn spam though.

>>63944587
is helmettard a Iran shill too? Why are the schizos always subversive? You don't see pro-American schizos really...