I plan on designing and selling a bunch of FRTs for different guns, and currently already have two that are almost ready (1 super selector style safety, and 1 for a gun I won't mention yet) so I want to know what guns people want FRTs for the most and will try to make them
https://strawpoll.com/XOgOVDLVXn3

>>63939779 (OP)
AR-15 will be by far the most popular.

>>63939782
Meant for guns that dont have one yet

>>63939779 (OP)
What do you plan to do about the fed backed copyright lawsuit?

>>63939806
Fight it, at least if my lawyer thinks its winnable
The FRT was patented in 1934 so the Raregreed patent is void, atleast to any FRT that isnt identical to their's
https://web.archive.org/web/20250428020706/https://patents.google.com/patent/US2056975A/en
Would also appreciate someone reading through this older mechanical language and telling me if it holds up

>>63939828
It's probably winnable, but would cost a prohibitive amount to win. They've pretty effectively chilled the market, but more power to you.

>>63939806
It is a patent suit
>>63939828
I'm an IP attorney, I'll take a look. Rare Breed's suit against the makers and sellers of Hoffman style super safeties is invalid, but I'm saying that without having looked at the old patent that you referenced. It is bullshit either way.

Anon, IP lit is insanely expensive, just so you know. And I think that you should make a P90 SS because nobody else is.

>>63939889
These kinds of lawsuits take well over a year, i have time to build up savings for it
and i'm hoping that since it'd be a fairly big case that we are likely to win my lawyer will take a portion of the Winnings when we succeed rather than an upfront cost, my dad's lawyer did that when he decided to sue his old business partner
With those lawyer fees set aside it shouldn't be too prohibitive, especially since i'm defending myself rather than filing the suit

>>63939919
>IP lit is insanely expensive
what is "lit" in this context?

>>63939779 (OP)
Mac 10/11

>>63939923
>savings
My brother it costs like $1200 an hour for a good patent litigatior. You can win damages as the defendant to make up for it but still.
>>63939926
Litigation

I'm reading the patent now. They were written so differently back then.

>>63939937
>an hour
God damn
In that case it would be ideal to possibly get a patent lawyer on my side with the same goals of defeating Rarebreed
...perhaps you might be willing to help me for the sake of FRTs?
I would think maybe something like charging me for the money, but delaying it until the trial is over. Sorry, not entirely sure how these things work, and I'm in a tough spot.

>>63939937
Replying to my own post. Yeah, I'd say that the concept of the FRT is not patentable by Rare Greed and their '223 patent is probably invalid, but they do have some specific language in their patents for cassette style triggers that could potentially withstand scrutiny. Those are inferior to the Hoffman though.

>>63939779 (OP)
None, FRTs are for gay babies too afraid to get a real F/A trigger pack.
>B-but das illeagle
I don’t care.
>But what if someone seeeees
Don’t magdump at a public range then, retard.

>>63939779 (OP)
Mp5

>>63939986
I'm working on it separately as is. Helping, I mean. I hate Rare Breed for this.

And the way this works generally is that you need to be in the big leagues, like Samsung or Pfizer, to go to bat in patent litigation.

>>63939993
Could you link your business website/contact info, or maybe email it to me so you don't doxx yourself? If you're possibly interested in working with me that is.
rolef21897@bulmp3.com
>>63940012
Do you think its impossible then until they lose the other lawsuits in like a year? It's gay as hell if I just can't fight it at all because they have more money.

>>63940001
To me its more about getting away with it legally after using it in a defense situation. Sure you might be cool for not complying and having unregistered guns but at the end of the day what use is it if you're not willing to use it for its' intended purpose of defending yourself?
You're more likely to die of a stroke or lightning strike tomorrow than the big igloo suddenly happening and the law completely breaking down.

>>63940021
Yeah I can email you later, I'm about to set off fireworks with my kid.

I don't think that making these is a bad idea BTW, I just want people to understand that you can't casually approach the litigation side. I'd say keep working in the meantime.

>>63939779 (OP)
FN M240S, Ohio Ordnance M60.

Dont bother making FRTs that aren't for beltfeds because the market is realistically served with AKs and AR FRTs.

Kriss Vector. I wouldn't buy it but I know a couple vector autists would fuck with it.

>>63940082
OK, if you think I can do it then I'm willing to take it seriously
I have friends to rely on if i go under, 3 roommates that wouldn't kick me out for not being good on rent over something like this, family and friends with lawyer connections, etc.
What matters is that A. I win the suit and fees, and B. I don't go bankrupt

>>63940051
>Not having a spare burner lower
Casual

>>63940082
Also, do you know if I would have to fight a battle for each separate FRT design I make, or would they be grouped together? Because If i have to pay double just because I'm planning to start the company with two designs ready to buy I'll need to know.
>>63940097
SMGs are a popular platform for FRTs, I'm thinking one for the Sten would sell quite well, but for belt feds the PKM is probably gonna be on the list too.

>>63940239
It depends on how close together you publish your designs most likely

>>63940382
So probably won't have an issue with my first two, but for ones after that i probably will?
Also, once I win the lawsuit, is there a chance that they will file another one for an FRT I designed after the fact?
I seriously don't want to deal with that possibility

>>63939779 (OP)
Is Peripeteia peak trooncore? I honestly really like it even if the game is kinda shit

>>63940410
It's not shit its just a WIP, the first few level are good but it suddenly went to shit on Belgrade with how unbalanced it was. Its something that'll get flushed out by the time the full game is released.

>>63940410
sorry anon, your hobby now belongs to trannies...
Actually no, it isn't trooncore.

>>63939779 (OP)
Hk roller delayed guns would be nice, the MP9, B&T rifle and pistol calibers, SCAR, or the Vz 58.
But I guess a lot of this depends on the rate of fire.

>>63940097
>closed bolt beltfed
groce

>>63940500
As far as I can tell FRT's can keep up just fine with cycle rates
even hose like the PPSH could probably work with one

Hard mode: CZ-75

>>63939779 (OP)
RPK pls

>>63940532
Maybe I should copy that patent from 1934 for the 1911 just as a massive middle finger to Raregreed to get them completely laughed out of the courthouse and publicly shamed if they try to sue me over it

>>63939779 (OP)
>>63940003
This is it OP. Modified HK cassette to drop into whatever grip module.
They're all the same, just different ejectors based on your cartridge and receiver size.
You make it work for one it works for all of them.

>>63939779 (OP)
Basically any medium machine gun pls

>>63940542
Also this. I love machine guns now that I don't have to carry them around.

>>63940560
So is there no MP5 FRT that works without the AR lowers?

>>63940409
They are only suing people for making AR SSs and I don't expect that to change desu. I would not overthink that aspect of all this, I just don't want people to misapprehend what it takes to deal with patents in court. Additionally, I should mention that a patent for a "micro entity" (you) is going to cost around $10000, which includes the filing fees. Not sure if you want to get anything patented but that's the current approximate cost.
>>63940525
I got two of mine north of 1200 rpm. ARs with cans, faxon lightweight bolt carriers, and JP silent captured springs.

>>63940793
A-An AR at 1200 rpm?
>only suing people for making AR SSs
Trouble is that's what I want to build the foundation of this shop on, and what will make the most money.
I've improved the Atrius super selector so it wont break like pot metal and I'll actually work with customers and ship shit out.
Of course I want my focus to be FRTs for other guns but there is a backlog of some 4,000 people on a waitlist for super selectors meaning I stand to gain atleast half a million from it if I do things right, which will go to designing FRTs for more guns

>>63940793
And about them not suing for non-AR SS's, I don't know if they'll sue a business that doesn't make anything for the AR, but in their cease and desist letter against greymarketresearch they cite the mp5 super safeties alongside the ones for the AR

>>63940836
Yeah, on my mk12 with bigass can and on my SBR.
>>63940863
Fair enough, I should have said they are only suing over designs that they also make, and they are supposed to be making an MP5 trigger based on a patent of theirs.

>>63940507
>It's slightly suboptimal so I'm going to pretend I don't want it.
Gross. Zastava committed to M84 kits so you're absolutely going to be seeing pkms floating around in more numbers.

>>63939779 (OP)
I don't own a PS90 but if somebody sold an frt for it I would order an sbr PS90 the next day and be the envy of my friends.

>>63940001
I’m going to build another gun with an FRT just to keep you mad

>>63941565
I’m going to go build another paperless MG in my garage and rip a few mags off on my own land just to keep you mad

>>63939779 (OP)
VZ58 would be a fun and useful one considering the shit triggers attached to them out of the box, prolly an easy one to make too what with all the free space in the Metal part that stays still.. I'd bet it's possible. I might look into it myself somewhere down the line after i figure out me arr and one and a half score more frt, [spoiler](race you!!)[/spoiler] [spoiler](Faggot!)[/spoiler] Hue Xd

Assuming you can make one, ive read that it'd be complicated, the P90. I've read that the P90 and AUG (for which FRTs exist) have very similar triggers and so its only a matter of time for that. Semi auto is one of the only things holding me back from buying a PS90.

>>63941808
I will admit, the vz58 FRT is the other one I'm already designing since I already have a vz58 on hand, and I'm pretty close to finished but have been caught up with some other things

>>63941529
>>63941814
After some study, the PS90 would be very easy to convert. The trigger pack has an auto sear in it still that could probably be converted to function as an FRT. I believe some of the pins in the trigger pack are not possible to remove though without destroying the housing so you'd need to be smart about it.

>>63939806
FAG LAWL XD

>>63939779 (OP)
You could make tons of money with a Glock FRT (legal Glock switch). Also, try an FRT for the AKM. Lastly, try making one for a Ruger 10/22.

>>63940729
As far as I am aware, no.
You've got to get the Lee's sporting thing or print some housing out and use an AR FCG.
It's probably worth it to do either because an HK option doesn't exist, and ripping an mp5 full fun is a devine experience, but having a dedicated cassette pack for HK would be worlds better.

>>63941814
buy it anyways. it is beyond awesome and fun to shoot. I let noobs and women try mine and it has been a universal big-smile generator.

>>63941883
>TR
nice

>>63941883
Wtf receiver is that? It thought it was a tri rail but it looks different. Airsoft or some shit?

>>63941894
I didn't even notice that, thought it was one of the effen90 receivers.
>>63941883
Dude did you chop off the top part and just bolt a picatinny section to the front part of the receiver?

>>63939779 (OP)
I'm just saying, based on the shape of the trigger pack and how it works I think a VHS FRT would be the easiest to engineer

>>63940082
Never got an email from you

>>63941883

>>63941910
>>63943532

9mm Draco I'll buy right now

>>63943358
Just sent it. Been busy all day.

>>63944823
Thanks

>>63939779 (OP)
It won't sell well, but belt fed 7.62 full semi-auto is legitimately the most useful.

I want a Single Action Army with a Force Reset Hammer

>>63939779 (OP)
A FRT for a M60 would be cool
>>63940097
>Ohio Ordnance M60.
based

>>63939779 (OP)
You wouldn't be selling this to the general public, but if you were able to design an FRT for the M249S, maybe FN would buy it off of you. An M249 with an FRT is a compelling proposition.

>>63939779 (OP)
1911, P365, P90, Vector, SL8, Mac 11, any semi auto shotgun

>>63939779 (OP)
1898 krag

>>63945038
Do 1911 please

>>63945025
Never say never anon
All i need maybe is a receiver and some schematics, i plan on hopefully doing it one day for the pkm and the receivers are only $1100, plus maybe a trigger group.

>>63945143
>i plan on hopefully doing it one day for the pkm
The issue is that the closed bolt PKM is very rare, VLTOR didn't make many, most of their builds are full auto for SOTs. The FN M249S closed bolt is readily available.

>>63945156
I'm tempted to build one myself with an FRT just because I want one so badly
But yea one for the M249S might be an easier sell

>>63940439
I actually found belgrade to be one of the high moments. I didn't feel any harder than the rest of it- but it does throw you for a loop with how the saves work compared to other levels. This is not to oppose that it IS unfinished. There's still stuff to be done on it and bugs to be fixed, but I quite liked the way it plays out

I wanna make a .22 rifle with an FRT that fits Hoffman's new 100 and 600 round helix mags so fucking badly but I don't know if I'd have it in me to turn the business into a gun manufacturer and deal with the hurdles of designing a whole gun from the ground up

Any PCC. I'm a whore for SMGs.

>CZ Scorpion
>Stribog
>MP5/HK trigger packs
>P90
>Skorpion Vz. 61
>Vector
>FPC
>MPA30T

>>63945323
MP5 has super safety kits already, stribog has one in pre-production phase already (SP9A3 only)

>>63945156
The PKM is top tier but you'd probably have to be in the receiver business at that point.

You know, the RPD is a really cool piece of shit. I think that the design is basically not really something that you can meaningfully modernize. I know that DSA tried but ultimately there is no good 7.62x39 SAW. I have given some thought to designing a belt fed AK conversion kit that uses RPD belts. The RPD is a push through design that ejects out of the bottom and I think that you could replace the AK dust cover with a cam and pawl top cover and replace the long stroke bolt carrier with a short stroke. A belt fed AK would be sick.

>>63945288
i wonder if there's a way to fill that center portion with an inner track of rounds as well? maybe with a connecting track on the bottom to push the inner rounds out radially to the bottom of the outer track...

>>63939779 (OP)
SEMI AUTO SHOTGUNS
literally whoever markets the shit out of a semi auto shitty FRT is going to become a billionaire

>>63945323
Good news buddy, there's a Vector FRT that came out recently

>>63945942
OMG, the Kriss Vector can finally fulfill its purpose! 10/10

>>63945841
is there even a semi auto shotgun that cycles fast enough to out pace how fast you can pull the trigger? not to mention the tiny mag sizes

>>63939779 (OP)
10/22 plz, it'd be nice to have something to practice (fast) semiauto fire w/ other than my ar

>>63948192
Issue is the tiny mag sizes since rimfire kinda sucks for capacity
at a cyclic rate of 950~ rpm the tiny 10 and 25 rounder mags will empty by the time you lift your finger