A pdw that you can keep in a bag or a briefcase, or maybe in your car. Something more effective than your ccw, but with less bulk than a full sized rifle.

p365 flux wins by virtue of smallest and lightest while still having a longer barrel than most 'tactical' PCCs

>>63940635 (OP)
Folding 8" .300blk with an over-barrel can.

>>63940635 (OP)
MP5k with the B&T collapsing stock

>>63940635 (OP)
FPC or sub2000 if you dont mind a blowback pcc

>>63940635 (OP)
What's the purpose of a bag gun outside deep wilderness hiking? You're not going to quick draw it in self defense, which is the majority human use cases. Which jist leaves bears and wolves.

>>63940635 (OP)
Smgs and pistol caliber pdws are out since it's not any more effective than a pistol.

Realistically, the jump in performance would start with 300 blackout as >>63940659
Pointed out. I'd prefer to have a shorty sbr though and just store it in a duffle bag since the weapon would be overt when needed or not get used at all. The dream of running back to a car and getting a bigger gun is a fantasy scenario in 99.9% of cases.

P90. High capacity, good cartridge (albeit expensive), bullpup, relatively compact and discreetly shaped. It’s the best in its form factor.

>>63940673
Any time you may want more than a conceal carry, but it’s unacceptable to open carry a rifle. For example: living in South Africa or other failing societies, going to protests and other politically charged events, going to religious gatherings, going to school in the USA, etc.

>>63940673
Shit rarely happens in an instant, some aggressive asshole always gets yappy first

>>63940764
>going to school in the USA
Easy does it, Eric Harris.

>>63940764
>going to school in the USA.

Fucking kek.

>>63940764
As if open carrying an SMG or PDW is going to be any more acceptable.

>>63941029
The whole point of a bag gun is that it isn’t open carried dipshit. For example I work in a bank as a financial advisor. There is a moderate chance there will be an armed robbery during my career. The bank’s policy is that they will fire anyone caught bringing a firearm to work and to comply with any attempts at robberies. Most robberies to be fair are just some dipshit handing the teller a note and running off with a couple grand in cash. No big deal. However some robberies result in hostage situations and I personally work with people who have been in these situations. Since I can’t open carry and I can risk ANY imprint fuck ups with the uber progressive white woman who manages the bank a bag gun is my personal best option. I just keep a beretta in my computer bag and if needs be fuck this job I’m not dying for the banks money or legal fees. Next gun I buy will probably be a bit spicier than my standard night table pistol but there are indeed many use cases for bag guns.

>>63941064
no offense but in what scenario do you see yourself and co workers taken hostage and you feel that one dude with a pistol is a good matchup against a team of bank robbers?
It seems like the an awful risk to bring an item to work everyday that could get you canned if some shmuck looks through your bag

>>63940659
Could go even shorter, but yeah

>>63940764
>$0.40/cpr
>expensive

>>63941182
NTA but I could probably fuck up a group of robbers with pistols, maybe even a shitgun or rifle if they aren't good with them, with my FPC which can fit into a medium size bag.

>>63940635 (OP)

>>63940666
How does the B&T compare to the KES one? B&T looks much bulkier.

>>63940635 (OP)
>briefcase

>>63941462

>>63941447
havent been able to get my hands on one so to be quite honest I couldn't tell you
the one in my pic was the B&T one though, doesn't seem to be much bulkier than your pic

>>63941447
B&T is the absolute smallest you can make an MP5K in collapsed form

>>63941182
>Taken hostage
That happened just a couple months ago at a Bank of America in Florida. Sniper had to take him out shooting through a monitor. The last time it happened at my bank was about a decade ago. They rounded everyone up and took them to the vault room, beat the shit out of a girl until they opened the vault, saw the cops roll up on the cameras, and then ended up negotiating for about 8 hours before they eventually surrendered.
>One dude with a pistol is a good matchup against a team of robbers?
I mean since the average robber is generally a drugged up nog more likely to shoot in my general direction than actually hit me from across the lobby where the teller line is I feel like I’ve got a pretty good chance to see him coming, grab my shit, and put two on target compared to his Glock or whatever weird shit a couple of felons can scrape together. It’s probably about 25 yards to the line. 15 to the front door. I’m an experienced shooter. I doubt they are. Pretty simple ngl. If they decide to round us up office by office before I can draw I can probably just bring my bag and hope they don’t notice. If they tell me to leave it oh well I tried if it works? Wait for a chance to draw and execute them if we end up in a barricaded hostage situation. Like I said I ain’t dying for the banks money.
>Seems like an awful risk
An awful risk is the cheap faggots at corporate not buying us bandit barriers because they want to save money. We also have a couple of schizo regulars that have made threats they won’t fire as clients despite that being the policy. We have a teller with a bipolar ex boyfriend that carved a fucking heart into his chest when she dumped him, sent her a photo that likes to drive circles around the bank in violation of a protection order, and gives off mass shooter vibes ngl. There are a lot of real threats in this job and I’d rather be armed than not and no corporate doesn’t give a fuck if we die so fuck their gay ass policy.

Where a fullsized rifle, bullpup, battle rifle is a "civil defense" firearm. Something to fight badguys at range while operating in a group of good guys; I think of the "bag gun" concept as the "civil unrest" gun. Meaning I don't want to call attention to myself, I want something more capable than a handgun with a lot of ammo in a decent caliber. If I have to wield it I don't want to be quiet I want everyone to know I am shooting and they should proceed to fuck off in any direction not in mine. Something with a lot of ammo, low recoil, that can be wielded inside of a car with the shootability of a stock/brace and capability to reach out beyond 100 yards if some dickhead with a rifle engages me. For me that's the P90, I understand why people wouldn't agree with that but it works for me. I personally am against PCCs like the MP5, even though I own them I think we need to consider they do not penetrate soft obstacles like cars, doors, etc very well.

>>63941576
Even over the Choate?

>>63940764
Know what I'm saving this pic to use as a reference for why 9mm ARs are retarded. Kudos anon

>>63940666
KES is a little nicer imo it is slimmer and very frim

Packs into its small bag with 4 mags plus can and is still pleasant to shoot. It wears a t2, ls321 (or le321? The titanium bodied holosun ir laser), and the gigliotti trigger now.

>>63940648
The normal Raider collapses to a fairly small size. For sure bagable.

>>63940764
>going to school in the USA

>meanwhile in canada

>>63940648
>>63941850
What I wouldn't give for a Beretta PDW chassis

>>63940635 (OP)
mossberg 990
fuck your lil piddly poo ppc I'm blowing some fuckers limbs off

>>63940635 (OP)
4" Stinger 9 from Lucansky Arms. Dude made Skorpion and Luago Alien and this is his new shit. New delay system, takes Skorpion mags.

>>63940635 (OP)
Anon this has already been settled in real life?

>>63940764
>For example: living in South Africa or other failing societies, going to protests and other politically charged events, going to religious gatherings, going to school in the USA, etc.
what the fuck is wrong with you people?
the US civil war was 165 years ago, and your issues today wont be solved with guns

>>63941599
>25 yards
The lobby is larger than 75 feet? Is it a fucking outdoor bank? You sound like a retarded fucking idiot (average bank worker) but little details like this are what really make you sound like a lier as well.

>>63942499
>lier

>>63942506
Case in point

>>63941966
I am designing a 3d printable PDW folding stock module for my Taurus PT92, using the grip panels as attachment points, which I am going to call the Favela Raider.

I am still undecided whether to go with a slide mouted dot or extend the rear of the stock adaptor up to make a fixed optic mount like the flux raider. I dont know if the print will be rigid enough for accuracy, especially if its directly connected to the stock.

>>63942559
>the Favela Raider
lol, excellent choice.
Since we are talking about berettas here, go with whatever is more aesthetic. Fixed mount would be better to use though.

>>63942499
>>63942518
No anon you’re just a retard. Yes my branch is big as fuck.

>>63941850
yeah the 320 raider is also much nicer to shoot

>>63940701
>The dream of running back to a car and getting a bigger gun is a fantasy scenario in 99.9% of cases.
That's exactly what happened in most nightclub shootings I've heard of. The aggressors though, not the defenders.

>>63944429
What’s the frequency of murder/serious injury in nightclubs? They seem to impose the exact conditions needed for men to chimp out and kill eachother all the time. Men + half naked girls around = lek, where fights are expected. Introduce guns into the mix and now murder is expected. Any fight with girls around as spectators becomes a fight over dominance and mating rights - Atleast that’s the way it registers in everybody’s lizard brain. Get your ass beat, get up, look around, and God forbid the girls are giggling? Somebody has to die now. Also everybody’s mental faculties are compromised with alcohol and any other drug people are taking, so everyone is 10x more impulsive and ignorant of consequences.. I know when I used to do coke, I’d want to fight other people FOR FUN (though I never did). Just to dissipate some of the energy I was otherwise exploding with.

>>63940666
This is the answer, /thread.

This is my usual.

>>63940635 (OP)
Droppable P90 mag and FRT compatible :)

>>63945821
that shit looks so flimsy

>>63942463
The scary part is I can’t tell if this is bait or not

underfolding stocks are superior to folders, folders make it thick as fuck

>>63941870
>JanSport