Would this make them viable as a tactical weapon? The warhead is 50kg to 90kg, far more powerful than the 1.5kg that fpv drones have or the 3-5kg warhead on a lancet.

>>63941501 (OP)
Goodmornings SAR!

>>63941501 (OP)
btw the target is at kramatorsk airport

>>63941501 (OP)
really showed those 3 mid-sized sedans who's boss

they've always been viable as a tactical weapon since their accuracy has been good enough to hit static point targets. adding command guidance would be beneficial for moving targets.

they're probably one of the best munitions made when it comes to cost to benefit, and have somewhat revolutionized strategic warfare.

>>63941501 (OP)
wtf is a geran? sounds german.

>>63941655
Shaheds in Russian service.

>>63941501 (OP)
>tacitcal
depends on the target type, mission planning for ATR type systems is usually pretty lengthy which precludes tactical use, it's best suited for non camouflaged operational/strategic targets like air defense units or things in buildings

>>63941655
Geran means Cranes-bill flower

>>63941655
Misgendered Shahed.

>>63941655
russian shahed variant / derivative

>>63941655
>sounds german
its the russian copy of the iranian copy of the israeli copy of a german weapon.
close enoigh i guess

>>63941819
russia succeeded where germany failed

>>63941518
>

>>63942043
Russia bought from Iran where Germany and Israel didn't bother.

>>63941501 (OP)
>terror bombings are going to save russia
yeah no

>>63941501 (OP)
What's the point of giving them some ebin nano-super AI guidance if you still gonna use them for bombing civilian infrastructure?

>>63941501 (OP)
>Gerans

SAAARS

>>63942110
It's unlikely that was civvie infrastructure.
Might've been a ukie drone command post, given the equipment containers to the left and right.
I'm puzzled by the lack of AA, though. Even if they're mostly useless at actually hitting something, a few 23mm on trucks could at least work as close-in warning. When they start firing, everybody should hoof it away from any point of interest.

>>63942081
gem

>>63942088
So russia was able to get it to work while germany wasn’t
also israel got the harpy and harop out of it so it succeeded too
>>63942110
>>63942095
Ah yes, the civilian infrastructure covered with camo netting and flanked by sandbag fortifications on either side

>>63941819
no its south african in origin that became harpy then shahed and then geran

the interesting thing for me is how russia is managing to build so many jet engines for it

>>63942160
>Jet engines
Most of the are prop variants.

>>63942160
Small disposable jet engines for a suicide drone aren’t too hard to make in theory, also >>63942169

there was a recent video showing three of them hitting an apparent conscription office. the interesting thing is all three came in at different directions, altitudes, and angles of attack.

so, they can be programmed just like high-end cruise missiles.

>>63941819
ironically, russia made their own radar decoy variant
full circle

>>63942088
>>63941819
Soon to add North Korea to that list, Russia is outsourcing a production line to them.

>>63942160
They don't use jet engines.

>>63942219
Are you saying they can follow simple GPS path? Are we supposed to be amazed by that?

>>63942263
>Are you saying they can follow simple GPS path? Are we supposed to be amazed by that?
Please understand cumrade, GPS-aimed drones are interstellar-level tech for puccians

>>63942156
>so russia was able to get it to work
no
>while germany wasn't
no
but russians, being not very good at the whole industry thing anymore, lack the ability to mass-produce better weapons than this one.

>>63942323
>>so russia was able to get it to work
>no
even doe russia successfully uses them against ukraine
>>while germany wasn't
>no
even doe germany doesnt have any

>>63942263
>Are you saying they can follow simple GPS path? Are we supposed to be amazed by that?
considering it was only a feature of multi-million dollar cruise missiles previously, yes. they also have ins, along with gps. cruise missile range + features for 50 thousand dollars or so is quite a leap in capabilities.

>>63942263
>they dont use jet engines

that must be some kind of star drive then i assume

>>63942336
1. That's just an air intake, if we want to know if it's a jet or not we need to see the rear
2. That's not a Shahed/Geran as the wing root continues up to the edge of the nose whilst the base model has them ending far further back. This is probably just some earlier/later variant, not the one currently in use by puccia.

>>63942346
nigga its being 6 months since we first saw geran 3s

give it a rest its jet powered

>bober deletes Pantsir, Su-34, S-400 radars
>Sneedhead hits something that might have possibly being used for launching drones

>>63942160
The difficult part about jet engines is making them reliable, long lasting, high power and fuel efficient.
You can cheap out on everything when you make them small single use for unmanned platforms.

>>63942352
>nigga its being 6 months since we first saw geran 3s
and last

>>63942160
Most small turbojets aren't harder to make than a truck turbo, all of them have radial compressors and some even use the same radial turbine, hobbyist converted the rotary assembly into small turbojets. Small turbojets have a mediocre fuel efficiency

>>63942160
> the interesting thing for me is how russia is managing to build so many jet engines for it
Jet shaheds are rare/experimental(?) models. Most are using regular boring piston engines, and those russia isnt building either.

>>63942411
And for a giggle - used ones sold in ukraine.

Another Russian airfield was hit last night by the way

>>63942419
>250 - 400 dollars for a drone engine
probably damaged/with missing parts, still cheap af

>>63942440
Show kiev pork

>>63942454
You are brown

>>63942452
Cleared from dirt, everything rotates freely!

>>63941541
>3 mid-sized sedans who's boss
Like most of NASCAR, it's not the cr, it's the driver and the team he's on. Obligatory, fuck the Russians.

>Another Russian airfield was hit
ukraine attacking valid MILITARY target
and you >>63942454 reply with
>Show kiev pork
russia attacking CIVILIAN target
makes one wonder

>>63942692
Russia hits military targets but ukraine only allows media to report collateral damage on civilian facilities. This is smart both for PR and for keeping Russia in the dark

>>63942710
>Russia hits military targets

>>63942156
>So russia was able to get it to work while germany wasn’t
>russia
Lol what? Dude Geran 3 is a rebadged Shasneed 238 so if anything Iran was able to get it to work, not russia
If we go by just production you might just as well claim that russia pulled off electric cars where others didn't just because they produce electric chinese cuckovers under the moskvitch brand

>>63942710
>all that fanfiction
that is what russia does, yes.

>>63942757
Speaking of cars, what is Russian problem with them?
It's not exactly rocked science or bleeding edge computing, yet they still fail to properly do even basics - like keeping the interior from smelling like gas or glowing hot cigarette lighter launching across the entire cabin.

>>63942710
>Russia hits military targets
Ah yes, this giant C&C base with all it's construction yards and barracks. I see. I see.

>>63942757
Geran obr. 2025 is very different from Shaheeds. The hull is made from cheap XPS instead of hitech comb material, radio absorbing coating instead of just white paint, the navigation unit is totally different, the payload is modular 50kg/90kg with different types of explosives, the control unit is modular as well and can be configured to work with cams, GSM modems and retranslators. The engine is also new.
The only same thing is its general aerodynamic configuration.

>>63942724
Ukraine does its best to suppress this (generally speaking the news wont report on this) but we do get confirmation of military stuff getting blown up.
A few recent ones:
>zhitomir explosion, residents warned of toxic cloud
https://files.catbox.moe/guyzx0.mp4
https://files.catbox.moe/azgxoo.mp4
Generally speaking, it’s not innocent civilians that blow up so spectacularly
>poltava meatcatcher [tcc] office vs 3+ Geran-2s
https://files.catbox.moe/6ata7n.mp4
https://files.catbox.moe/8qwt4r.mp4
A strike ukrainian civilians can cheer for lmao
>New angle of Bolshevik plant arrivals
https://files.catbox.moe/o8vyya.mp4
The bolshevik plant produced mortars for ukraine so Russia blew it up
>sumy airstrike
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Sumy_airstrike
Russia blew up a meeting of ukrainian troops. Fortunately for ukraine, some civilians were there too so they were able to milk the event for propaganda instead of covering it up

>>63943240
Oh it's this guy again, posting the same webms of nondescript buildings being blown up and claiming they were HATO general HQs.

>>63943221
>RUSSIA burned those homes down!!!!1
No, it was ukrainians. Here is a clip of Ukrainian troops bragging about scorched earth tactics originally published by united24: https://news-pravda.com/world/2025/06/27/1472423.html

>still trying to peddle "justified" sumy strike narrative even though all the claimed obituaries were proven fake and the veteran gathering was not only unofficial but took place far from the strike area

>>63942333
>50 thousand dollars
Who exactly came with this price tag? TASS?

>>63942440
I gotta admire that Ukraine is going out of there way to not hit civilians but how long are they going to put up with their civilians being killed

>news-pravda
>video is from vkontakte

>>63943249
>nooo what do you mean those buildings are nondescript!!!1 video games told me that all military buildings have green camo paint and lots of guns and missiles sticking out!!!1
geg the secondary explosions speak for themselves

>>63943282
Is a children’s hospital secretly a HQ?

>>63943240
Hey I recognize that gay thirdie.

>>63943275
It makes sense since terror bombings don't actually work, if they did Assad wouldn't have had to flee Syria.

>>63943292
I just mean there’s a breaking point where they say fuck it

>>63943282
>gas station
>nondescript building (that's totally a tcc office fr fr)
>a shitty edit of some nondescript building on fire
Did you see the secondaries after you hit that krokodil?

>>63943270
> all the claimed obituaries were proven fake and the veteran gathering was not only unofficial but took place far from the strike area
why make shit up? We have proof of a ukrainian colonel at the event corroborated by several sources. Read the fucking article omg
>>63943279
sorry i couldn’t cite the kyiv independent or the bbc for this one xister

>>63943304
To prove that the gathering was a target, you fucktards linked obituaries that don't exist. Rope or deepthroat an ak and pull the trigger like your fellow cumrags.

>>63943304
>da those children were secretly officers

>>63943263
>https://news-pravda.com/world/2025/06/27/1472423.html
>© Pravda EN, 2025
>"Banderism: The Forgotten History of a Multicentennial Rot, Part 3/6"
>"Well done, keep up the good work!" In Turkey, Putin was enthusiastically supported
>"LA Marines shoot through rioters"
>Russian MoD press releases
>random shit stirring attempting to imply that Euros actually hate each other and are 5 seconds away from collapsing into wars and poverty
Is this where I go to see all the totally accurate and information the HATO Atlanticists are is trying to bury?

>>63943263
>https://news-pravda.com/world/2025/06/27/1472423.html
>© Pravda EN, 2025
>"Banderism: The Forgotten History of a Multicentennial Rot, Part 3/6"
>"Well done, keep up the good work!" In Turkey, Putin was enthusiastically supported
>"LA Marines shoot through rioters"
>Russian MoD press releases
>random shit stirring attempting to imply that Euros actually hate each other and are 5 seconds away from collapsing into wars and poverty
Is this where I go to see all the totally accurate information the HATO Atlanticists are trying to bury?

>>63943301
I feel like a major part of them not resorting to terror bombing and 'no prisoners' rule (besides the obvious shortage of resources for that) is that West is overlooking them, and will likely reduce the aid if ukies start intentionally killing non-combatants.

>>63943240
oh you're the same retard that was trying to claim russia has a 5-7 meter CEP for it's missiles lol.

>>63943357
>random shit stirring attempting to imply that Euros actually hate each other and are 5 seconds away from collapsing into wars and poverty

lmao, except this is actually true about the eu/london

>>63941501 (OP)
crazy shit man

>>63943301
>I just mean there’s a breaking point where they say fuck it
extremely retarded tactic for the losing side to take, especially when the war is on their territory

>>63943419
No it isn’t

>>63942336
Wouldn't ayys giving the Russians technical assistance be a violation of the Dulce Accords?

They also have new warheads...

>>63941501 (OP)
>now

Literally 1.5 years ago m8

>>63943423
>>63943580
I noticed recent Shahed strikes appear to be far larger and more violent, and they look like they go faster too

>>63943611
>I noticed recent Shahed strikes appear to be far larger and more violent, and they look like they go faster too
Definitely. They have several types of warheads now that are way more powerful than before. And they've switched up tactics too so now they descend a lot faster and "dive" at the target as well. Only AA missiles can bring them down now and that's not sustainable given the cost and global shortage of AA missiles.

>>63943234
>the control unit is modular as well and can be configured to work with cams, GSM modems and retranslators
Anon first Iranian Shaheed 131 captrured in 2022 in Ukraine already had modular control unit with camera and video link modules not connected to anything.
Russians again take credit for other countries achievements (many such cases, Russians unironically believe they invented electricity and industrialisation...).

>>63943187
>Speaking of cars, what is Russian problem with them?
>It's not exactly rocked science or bleeding edge computing, yet they still fail to properly do even basics - like keeping the interior from smelling like gas or glowing hot cigarette lighter launching across the entire cabin.
They basically never had to compete on the open market, even after the fall of the soviet union they had to be propped up by the state else they would keel over so the abysmal build quality from commie times never really went away
The one thing that changed was that they replaced a lot of the domestically produced parts with the finest chinesium after the fall of the ussr with hit or miss results mostly

Obligatory welding electrode
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6svzFhN4ng

>>63943409
*its
those geran strikes look pretty accurate to me though. Definitely within 5-7 meters

>>63943406
if there’s a “no prisoners” rule then where does russia get its Ukrainian pows for prisoner exchanges?
>>63943302
cope also gas stations are dual use anyway which makes them legitimate targets according to ukraine

>>63943315
>>63943318
>According to the Berdychiv rada and local media, colonel Yuri Yula [uk], commander of the 27th Rocket Artillery Brigade and former vice-commander of the 26th Rocket Artillery Brigade, was killed in the strike.[24][25][26]
now you can stfu

>>63943812
Since you want to continue being a retarded niggerpidor, here you go
This is Berdychiv City Hall official page on April 15th. The last obituary was on 11th (inb4 "umm ackshually they deleted it"). Their fb feed likewise doesn't have any obituaries.

>>63943812
You fucktards invented a nonexistent officer that was never there, and pointed to "local media" of a town in Zhytomyr oblast, 200+ kms from Sumy.

>>63943537
they ayyyys are the false gods anon

>>63943647
>Only AA missiles can bring them down now
Ukraine has four models of interceptor drones that are approved for use, apparently two of them are much better than the other two.
The 4th July air raid had some 500ish gerans and about 20% were downed by interceptor drones.
There's a big plan to massively increase this.

>>63943221
man, these Ukranians really do have a lot of resources to build bases this big
Are we sure they're not the aggressors here? Look at the scale of this military installation!

>>63943827

https://rio-berdychiv.info/novyny/viyna-2022/u-sumakh-zahynuv-kolyshnij-zastupnyk-kombata-berdychivskoi-26-bryhady
>inb4 nooooo you cant use that source
>>63944763
proofs? Would be neat to see interceptor pov footage

>>63943647
>only AA missiles can take them down now
yeah sure pal

>>63942724
>>63943249
>>63943409
Are you genuinely fucking retarded or a paid shill?
Are you part of the reason we cannot have objective discussions about the state of the war on this board or ignorant products of that fact?

>Gerans
Why do ziggers shy away from the word “Shahed”?
It's the original name of the Iranian drone.

>>63945392
>ummm ackshually here's proooofs
"Proof" posted by an unreliable source that for some reason did not mention it on its official website and fb. Rope, pidor.

>>63945735
Other than its roots, it's a completely new drone that doesn't share any parts with Iranian drones anymore. It has completely different engine, electronics, has RAM coatings, stealth shape refinement, new warehead, new targeting modules etc.

>>63945849
lmao zigger please

>>63945849
nice fanfic dipshit

> share any parts with Iranian drones anymore.
The only """major""" variant are the Kupol drones built in Izhevsk (recently Budanov-ed) renamed as Garpiya A1.
What are the differences? more plywood, less nomex, removable winglets and in general the russian folded metal cases for the avionics instead of milled aluminum like the Iranian drones. All other changes are patches, like the GNSS module (they're using boards made in the US (years ago), iran, russia, and china). Those drones are "plug and play", they don't need specific parts but anything functionally equivalent because the avionics uses commercial protocols and components (re purposed UAV parts). Even iranian drones were 90% imported parts and unlicenced copies of the Limbach engine. Russia only logged in alibaba to buy the L550 directly from china instead of wasting time with teheran. So no, they don't have different engines BUT EXACTLY THE SAME 550EF, rebranded and unlicenced (limbach is ded anyway).
Besides the warhead (not really complex) and GLONASS/GPS antenna they're functionally identical, some have heavier warheads because they're sacrificing a lot of range (the original setup was retarded for this war) but even the propeller, engine and general airframe are identical.
> new targeting modules
The optical guidance was an option Iran was offering since 2021-2022. The jet variant (too expensive to be popular) and the larger 236 (the drone that Belarus presented like a year ago) are the only major changes and like the shahed 131 most of their parts are exchangeable. Russia began to test optical guidance and chinese antennas in 2023-2024.

>has RAM coatings,
painting your drones with black mate isn't a ram coating, conventional carbon fiber isn't making those drones stealth and all the internal parts (flat metal) are a nice radar corner.

>>63941518
>>63942128
clean it up waggie.

>>63943423
Was that the Hohol Drafting center?

>>63945880
Almost everything you said is wrong. Ukrainian channels tells u what's really going on.

>>63945904
>imblying Iranian Shaheeds can't fly at 10000 feet

>>63945904
>social netwrok channels
not the best source, post pics and numbers, not interpretations of social media

>engine has improved
the cruising altitude of those drones was completely unrelated to the engine, we don't know the max altitude of the 2022 models. And even in 2024 there're pics of their drones using the same 4-cyl boxer engine. Otherwise post pics of the "new" engine or the code. And for an aircraft many things that define max altitude, it's not only the engine.

>airframe improved
>because speed
non sequitur. Mass and diving altitude can explain it, by hearing the audio before during the last seconds of shaheds it was obvious they go faster than the cruise speed, but how faster is hard to answer with limited info.

>3.
The only improvement was the antenna, that's well known and it's a drop-in replacement because the original avionics was modular.
>the best in the world
again, no basis to claim that...

>5.
at the cost of range, russia and iran have been testing alternative payloads since 2023.

>>63945914
At the distances that Geran-2s fly? They can't. Russian drone has roughly doubled the size of the warhead and the ceiling has tripled. This is the major reason why Ukrainians can't shoot them down anymore. They used to have mobile AD crews with machine guns that could bring down more than 50% of the drones but not anymore.
>>63945918
>not the best source
As if your crackpipe is a better source.

>>63945923
>>slop ai
if you need mental "clutches" then you shouldn't be writing "opinions" or evaluating others' posts. You're just a meat frontend for a chatbot.

Conflict Armament Research and a few ukies did a pretty extensive analysis of those drones (and nork missiles) and their evolution. brw the engine "MD500" doesn't exist, the original "Iranian-made" was the Mado MD550, Russia uses those or the imported from china (license built) although nowadays "MD550" is a generic name for similar 4-cyl boxer engines, still with well defined engine number and manufacturer, but that doesn't matters or vastly changes the engine power/rpm

>>63945896
Sort of, it was one of the larger BoJo nests in the area.

>>63945904
>>63945923
Over under on whether an M230 turret could reliably hit one? Or would you need something more like an APKWS pod?

>>63945923
Russians reduced range by putting in larger warhead and reducing fuel tank to keep overall weight the same.

>and the ceiling has tripled.
>3 year into war Russians realized you can program Shaheeds to fly higher
>bbbbbbut muh low altitude radar evasion?
Remember Russians have deviant fetish about le shturmovik and low level flight and can't simply let them go.

>>63945923
>not even guns can harm them

>>63945918
>not the best source, post pics and numbers, not interpretations of social media

thats exactly where we rely for any sort of "reliable" sources nowdays anon
>>63946042
>bro thinks making changes on a flying object is just izi pizi done in one night

>pidorstanians be like: COMPLETELY DOMESTIC DESIGN

>>63946519
>f86
>sikorsky was literally made by a russian based on his literal works in russia
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyotr_Ufimtsev
>jb2 loon
>literally copied ERA

some others too that were partially militaristic too but not worth to mention

>>63943234
>the payload is modular 50kg/90kg with different types of explosives
Reads like they shove in whatever is going boom and they happen to have lying around or was delivered as long as it's in the weight and size range that fits.

>>63943747
>Definitely within 5-7 meters
Of the intended target or just some random spot they might have intended to hit but probably have not?

>>63945904
>Ukrainian channels tells u what's really going on.
(X)

That is most definitely not a Ukrainian channel. It is a Russian propaganda channel aimed at English speakers, i.e. a psyop.
That said...it's not wrong.
Those are the features of the current evolution of Gerans and development continues.
Hence the push on intercepor drones.

>>63945392
>proofs? Would be neat to see interceptor pov footage
You're a zigger and the way I know (other than posting glavset planted propaganda) is that you're asking for proof of something that everyone who follows Ukrainian sources has already seen the proof of. Not that anything would be adequate proof for a proofster like you anyway.
Yet somehow you have Russian sources right at hand.
Zigger.

For everyone else, picrel
There's no footage of them in use, it's probably too sensitive for now since ziggers would use it to try and tune the Geran attacks.
Russia as similar interceptors to these too, both sides are throwing everything at the wall to try and counter the drone spam and form follows function, so they end up looking pretty similar.
Winged drones like this, the X-wing quad ducted racing drone style and a couple of other similar ones.

>>63946577
>Reads like they shove in whatever
Your reading comprehension sucks, anon basically said the opposite of that.
Modular doesn't mean improvised.

They use a variety of warheads, picrel is basically a pipebomb with (not very well) pre-formed frag. It explodes between 2-20 hours later, obviously intended to get people responding to the impact like rescue workers. I'm not sure how many of these are in any one drone, it could be one per drone but I think it's actually a couple that scatter around.
Some regular warheads also have a powdered incendiary component, this is only in Gerans and not Shaheds.
There's also a gel-like incendiary warhead too, it's a think viscous fluid that flows somewhat but doesn't really spill or wash and it burns similar too thermite but ignites much easier.

>>63946577
>Reads like they shove in whatever
Your reading comprehension sucks, anon basically said the opposite of that.
Modular doesn't mean improvised.

They use a variety of warheads, picrel is basically a pipebomb with (not very well) pre-formed frag. It explodes between 2-20 hours later, obviously intended to get people responding to the impact like rescue workers. I'm not sure how many of these are in any one drone, it could be one per drone but I think it's actually a couple that scatter around.
Some other warheads also have a powdered incendiary component in addition to HE, this is only in Gerans and not Shaheds.
There's also a gel-like incendiary warhead too, it's a think viscous fluid that flows somewhat but doesn't really spill or wash and it burns similar too thermite but ignites much easier.

>>63946732
>There's no footage of them in use
And I'm already proven wrong.
Vidrel was released this morning, obviously carefully edited for obvious reasons but it seems like the interceptors do have cameras. They're usually autonomous on terminal attack I believe.

>>63945896
>Was that the Hohol Drafting center?
Not sure. But I thnk strike definitely was a TCC center.

>>63946816
How many F-16s did Ukraine lose so far chasing $20k drones? 2? 3?

>>63946919
This question needs a Gary template

>>63946919
>How many F-16s did Ukraine lose so far chasing $20k drones? 2? 3?
It's two or three, there's one loss that wasn't confirmed and might be Russian propaganda or might be Ukies keeping quiet about a fuck up.
We definitely know about two though and they seem to have both been from close range interceptions.

Obviously, this is a strong motivator to build the interceptor drones that produced the footage that you responded to.

>>63946923
Ukraine admitted losing 2x F-16s to Gerans. That's $120 million lost to $40k worth of drones.

Using F-16s to chase drones is retarded. They're too small and hard to lock on. So the pilots have to fly close and when they fire off a burst at it, it assplodes and shrapnel kills the plane itself.
>>63946927
Dude, it's not propaganda, they admitted it themselves. I saw it on CNN.

>>63946934
>Dude, it's not propaganda, they admitted it themselves. I saw it on CNN.
You cannot in2 reading comprehension.

>>63946927
>there's one loss that wasn't confirmed and might be Russian propaganda
>We definitely know about two though

I said the third F-16 loss was possibly Russian propaganda.
The two confirmed ones, we know about.

>>63946943
Got it, sorry.
I know of 2. I didn't hear anything about the 3rd one.
Maksim Ustimenko and Oleksiy Mes were the two F-16 pilots who died trying to shoot down drones. That's according to Ukrainian member of parliament.

Also, 2x Su-27 and 1x MiG-29 pilots died fighting Gerans.

>>63946954
>I didn't hear anything about the 3rd one.
Like I said, it was possibly just Russian propaganda.
Or, Ukies kept it quiet due to a fuck up, we really don't know.
I think it was a few weeks after the first loss that rumours appeared but there was never any confirmation beyond the usual zigger bullshit.

>>63946934
>They're too small and hard to lock on.
They can lock on just fine. The problem comes when they get hunter fever and keep trying to shoot them down once they run out of missiles. That's when they switch to guns and get shrekt by the frag sleeve.

Simplest workaround would be to remove cannon ammo from the planes.

>>63946959
>Simplest workaround would be to remove cannon ammo from the planes.
That should eliminate the danger from pilots attempting high-risk manoeuvrers to down drones.

>>63946958
>Or, Ukies kept it quiet due to a fuck up, we really don't know.
Ah, OK. Also, Ukrainian airports where F-16s were stationed got hit pretty hard over the past few days. I don't know how many of them survived that massive attack.
>>63946959
They're hard to lock on because the RCS is small. Former Viper pilot on X had a thread about it. He said he'd prefer to use AIM-9X or a targeting pod to take them out.

Problem is that Ukrainian pilots are not allowed to use missiles to shoot down these drones because they don't have a lot of them and you can't use a $500k+ missile to shoot down a $20k drone.

>>63946813
My reading comprehension is fine, making connections to other knowledge is part of it. Were you public schooled in your country, by any chance? Because that would also explain how you can describe the concept of napalm without knowing that you're describing napalm:
>There's also a gel-like incendiary warhead too, it's a think viscous fluid that flows somewhat but doesn't really spill or wash and it burns similar too thermite but ignites much easier.

>>63941501 (OP)
No white person calls them "gerans".

>>63946980
>Problem is that Ukrainian pilots are not allowed to use missiles to shoot down these drones because they don't have a lot of them and you can't use a $500k+ missile to shoot down a $20k drone.
They use missiles all the time, they just don't like to.
Somewhere, some decision gets made about whether a particular drone justifies a missile or not.

>that would also explain how you can describe the concept of napalm without knowing that you're describing napalm
I haven't seen unlit napalm so I don't know whether that was what it was but the fire didn't look like napalm which is similar to a petrol fire, it looked much more intense and short-lived.

>>63946989
>No white person calls them "gerans".
Anyone who wants to talk about the Russian upgrades of the original, calls them Gerans. It distinguishes them from the original.

Precision in language is important on technical topics.
Save your ambiguity for discussions on the nature of beauty or love, you're just using vagueness as a cover for your ignorance.

>>63946980
>Problem is that Ukrainian pilots are not allowed to use missiles to shoot down these drones because they don't have a lot of them and you can't use a $500k+ missile to shoot down a $20k drone.
They use obsolete shit like Sparrows (hence AIM-7s popping up among the blocked transfers), which don't cost the US anything, because they were slated for disposal anyway.

>>63947010
>Anyone who wants to talk about the Russian upgrades of the original, calls them Gerans. It distinguishes them from the original.
Nope. Everyone still says shahed. At least everyone who's not a neutroooooooler Mike from Ohio oblast.
"Geran" does not exist in Western analyses.

>>63947034
Shells also do not exist in Western arcenals, and this does not mean they don't exist anywhere else

>>63946968
Those maneuvers were only attempted after quite few pilots died after gunning down the v1's and getting their plane damaged by the drone exploding.

The solution back then was radar guided anti air artillery firing shells with proximity fuses, but that was made easier because the v1's flew straight and level from a common launch point. In a battlefield with a huge front line and with drones following individual trajectories, it might not be so easy...

>>63947056
NTA but are you drunk?

hmm

>>63946464
> any sort of "reliable" sources nowdays anon
No, stop feeding that crab mentality. Using social media to gather evidence (photos, videos, part numbers, dates) isn't the same as acting like an rss bot but trying to use the usual human bullshittery to pretend some kind of credibility.
And the only reason I mentioned CAR is because they show the evidence and do their own research to add useful information instead of the usual journalist behavior.

>>63947510
and what? should we trust ukraine? or russia? or any english speaking msm? come on LOL

>>63943710
>Russians again take credit for other countries achievements (many such cases, Russians unironically believe they invented electricity and industrialisation...).
If only, they legit claimed that the radio was invented by Popov, the airplane by Mozhaysky, the lightbulb by Yablochkov etc
It was so absurd that it led to a whole series of jokes that claimed that bikes were invented by bitzyklov and so on

>>63946980
>$20k drone.
they get cheaper by the minute. by the end of the thread they'll cost about tree fiddy.

>>63951158
>they get cheaper by the minute. by the end of the thread they'll cost about tree fiddy.
You jest but Russia is working hard to try and bring the cost down and production up.
They're currently at 200-300/day and attempting to get to 1k/day. Bringing the Nork factories online in a few months will help with that, which is going to be a problem.

>>63946934
>$40k worth of drones.
$40k doesn't even buy half a Shasneed or Geran. The GPS antenna they use was about that before you add in the price premium for having to use a middle man to dodge sanctions.

>>63951538
>$40k
>The GPS antenna they use was about that
maybe developing a new type of antenna but certainly not the cost of single mass produced antenna

Besides the price of labour and the price of launch platforms the only expensive things in Geran obr 2025 is its engine and to the much lesser extent the warhead itself. I'm pretty sure the sub-$10k price tag in materials is a question of a year at worst.

Iranians overengineered too many things, especially the comb material of the hull.

>>63951602
The whole design being made up of a compound angled hull is not really well suited for absolute mass production.
Replace the design with a conventional and straight profile wing made up of aluminum sheet metal and we're talking

>>63951538
>The GPS antenna they use was about $40k
Civilian drone GPS modules cost $20, I'm sure the military ones are more expensive but not three orders of magnitude more expensive.

>>63951753
>Civilian drone GPS
Consumer slop aren't the only "civilian drones", agricultural drones, dGPS antennas, and naval/aeronautical GPS receivers, especially those with CRPA and multi band receivers get expensive (and export controlled) really fast, even in alibaba...
Even the most basic shahed has a 4-elements CRPA with custom made PCB using expensive chips (+3000 dollars in silicon)

>>63951746
It is already replaced with XPS. Cannot be cheaper.

Jet engines...

>>63951538
They make their own antennas. They used to buy them but now they've built a factory and make their own. I think they had a large batch of Canadian-made elements. Then they used their own. Then some drones had Chinese-made elements. Current ones are their own production.

I've been following drone warfare on X and Geran-2 drones went from initially having 2 antennas to 8, then to 12 and now to 16. Not sure if there are other types... I have pics of 2, 8, 12 and 16 element antennas.
Ukrainians say these are unjamable right now.
It's a game of cat & mouse. I'm sure NATO will send Ukraine something that will jam them. But then the other side will innovate again.

>>63952051
I wonder if that antenna (and the variant with 8 elements) are multiple CRPA receivers working in parallel or all of them work for a single receiver and for the same signal. One of their circular 12 elements antenna (2024) is grouped into 2 CRPA, the inner ring for L2, the outer ring for L1 but that pic doesn't have different spacing like the twin-ring 12-elements antenna.

>>63941819
>Iran hates anything to do with Israel, including weapons
>Iran copies Israeli weapons systems
Priceless

>>63952012
>#36
>0.2% of the total number of doritos
>useless!
retardo-kun...

And they they became normal ukies can use small gas engine turbos to make turbojet interceptors, and they have a physical advantage: turbojets have shitty range, so the turboshahed is huge and way more expensive to build

>>63952012
>>63947496
>>63943580
Anon, you're not going to succeed in making Shaheds or Russia seem to be impressive. Because they're not, they are a Russian clone of an Iranian munition that is employed 2+ years into a failed 3-day special military operation which has failed all of its goals. The drones are used to try to bomb a country in submission, which hasn't worked in the past and won't work now.

>>63942411
>$13.5k for a simple 4 cylinder 50hp engine
Am i missing something or why are they so expensive?

>>63952563
Aeroengines are expensive.
>it needs to be way lighter
>it needs to work for 500-1000 hours continuously at rated power and with little maintenance (car engines only lasts 2000-4000 hours at 30% and with frequent maintenance)
>niche product with no automatized production lines (other than milling blocks of aluminum)
>strict QC compared to other 2S engines
normal engines for ICE vehicles cost hundred of millions to develop but they can make millions a year for 1 or 2 decades

>>63952563
>Am i missing something or why are they so expensive?
specialized + high demand.

>>63952563
MIC stuff always sells at a premium.
In the US it would be $100k from Lockheed

Neat

>>63951602
>engine
Why? Isn't that just cast aluminum?

>>63951793
All drones cost $200 in the minds of retards.

According to Budanov Russia is helping the Norks build multiple factories to make the things as well as importing Norks to make them domestically, i'm really curious to see what their version is like.

After the war it would be nice if someone like Oryx did a book on the history and evolution of them.

>>63952398
He cut the source for a reason, anon.

>>63960297
1000 daily is really not a stretch but just a first step. Can you believe this?

>>63960304
No i can't. Russia can't do it without crippling long term damage to other industries and it isn't sustainable. 1000 a day is theoretically possible for a while with Korean assistance however there are hard limits on the supply of engines and electronics that neither Russia or the DPRK can do anything about. Norks might as well be superhumans compared to your typical Vatnik but they have limits and there just aren't enough of them.

If i were Russia i would be getting very concerned about my severe CNDS (Chronic Nork Dependency Syndrome) as the symptoms are getting worse, Kim having that much leverage over you is never a good thing.

>>63960350
Eh, Russia has other issues. They've now reached the point where bleeding the banking sector dry isn't cutting it anymore and are moving to just straight up confiscate oligarch fortunes and legalising collection of tax debts without court involvement.

>>63960398
Obviously but CNDS is a pretty bad one, one visit to Pyongyang by Trump could make the disease terminal in regards to Russia's military power.

>>63941753
>Geran means Cranes-bill flower
Does it? Usually in l'Anglophonie a Geranium is actually a Pelargonium, and we have to add some kind of qualifier like "true" Geranium if you mean the actual genus Geranium. Does Russian not have the same kind of switcheroo?

I like the scented ones

The switcheroo that annoys me the most is "Tokharian". Xinjiang nerds know what I mean

>>63960435
No idea, I know the language, not flowers

>>63960435
>>63960455

I just realized in true Nork style we already know exactly what their version will be called, post yfw you read this and it's real: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimjongilia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimilsungia

>>63960425
>Obviously but CNDS is a pretty bad one
That is very much a future-Putin's problem and the odds of him living long enough to see that become the death of Russia are unlikely.
And if he doesn't do it, he doesn't even live to see if it would have become a problem.

>one visit to Pyongyang by Trump could make the disease terminal in regards to Russia's military power.
I think we both know that a visit to Pyongyang by Trump wouldn't end with North Korea betraying Russia, it would end with Kim having blown so much smoke up Trump's arse that he joins their triumvirate.

>>63955331
That's a shahed 236

>>63941753
>Cranes-bill flower
Geran means Pelargonium. The cranes-bill is the "garden geran"

>>63960350
>1000 a day is theoretically possible for a while
They did 728 last night.
It was a stretch and they saved up for a few nights but they're not far off from spiking on 1k waves a couple of times a week and as they get closer, it will be more and more often until it's every night.
Nork factories are likely to make it easy though I take your point on bottlenecks on electronics and engines.
I think the Norks could probably make these engines too though and they're not bad at turning out large quantities of medium-tech-level machinery.

I expect to see 1k waves next week honestly.

>>63960554
>I expect to see 1k waves next week honestly.
Imagine the devastation that 1,000 Geraniums will do every single day. There's no missile defense system that will be able to cope with that.
Everything will be in ruins. Not sure if Ukrainians realize that.

>>63960569
so far over what, 2+ years they accomplished literally nothing but go ahead, sure.

>>63960569
Terror bombing never wins wars

>>63960569
hohols will definitely freeze this winter and west will understand everything

>save up a week's worth of drones
>launch them in one go
>95% interception rate (the same as always)
>GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR look at the might of the bear!!!
I'm sure 1000 not-sneeds will totally bring hohols down to their knees.

>>63960580
>they accomplished literally nothing
Heh. Have you looked at Ukrainian GDP?

>>63960597
why does it matter when it gets propped by EU?

>>63941501 (OP)
Is this the latest puccuan wonderwaffle? They shift them so often I am losing track desu

>>63960608
EU can't afford $120 billion for Ukraine every year.

>>63960610
wait till they start shilling lancet(lmao) again

>>63960569
basically every strategic bombing campaign in history was way more destructive than that on a daily basis, sure they are more accurate than a dumb bomb but on the other hand they are also interceptable with relatively simple things like technicals with machine guns if you can detect them good enough since they are so slow

>>63960621
they don't need to.
either way russia will run out of money first and no amount of cope is going to change that.

>>63960621
>0.7% of eu gdp
i think well be fine for now

>>63960621
>Thirdie can't comprehend just how filthy rich the West actually is
The EU probably loses more to rounding errors every year.

>>63960621
Can puccua allocate 60% of its budget to war every year?

>>63960633
>but on the other hand they are also interceptable with relatively simple things like technicals with machine guns if you can detect them good enough since they are so slow
You're wrong. They _were_ easily interceptable. Not anymore. They now fly way too high for AA guns to reach them and they've changed tactics and now dive at targets. You can find a pic in this thread of an assessment from UA side.

>>63960660
Vanya, if AA guns couldn't reach them, there wouldn't have been sustained and effective AA gun fire this night.

>>63960706
>sustained and effective

>>63960710
What shot down 300+ drones, then?

>>63960706
So you know better than Ukrainians? I told you to scroll up.
>>63943647

>>63960741
I am a Ukrainian, and I watched a lightshow this night, counted 15 drones downed with "useless" guns.

>>63960750
>counted 15 drones downed with "useless" guns
Pics or it didn't happen bro

>>63960764
>please post stuff that would give away where you live online
Haha no.

>>63960771
FFS, just blur out surrounding buildings. That's what every Ukrainian channel does with pics.

>>63960764
>>63960776
Besides, I said I watched it, not filmed it. There are enough retards getting visits from police for sharing that shit on tg and xitter.

>>63960784
I don't know bro... according to your gov, everything was shot down and intercepted. But leaked videos of impacts and NASA's fire maps tell a whole diif story.

>>63960803
Cool, show me hundreds of impacts.

>>6396063
That makes me wondering - is there a way for ukies to somehow make small-scale unmanned SPAAGs to monitor for air threats if a drone chimppout was detected?

>>63960660
maybe machineguns cant but flak guns should be able to, not that different from intercepting a ww2 bomber when you account for easier detection and targeting

>>63960706
Almost everything launched yesterday went for Luts'k. Pretty much doubt they have capabilities to shoot down ~300 drones when even Kyiv starts absorbing damage when under similar attack.
Btw after recent switch to high altitude, only way AA guns can hit is when the drone goes into dive towards target. Which is tricky.

>>63960815
Everything flying from the east has to cross the whole country, and each region has its own AAA network, retard.

>>63960764
>SAAAAAAAR PLS TO NO SAY MEAN THINGS ABOUT STRONG MULTIPOLAR GERANS SAAAAR I DRINK COW PISS SAAAAAR

>>63960804
>Cool, show me hundreds of impacts.
Tell your gov to stop censoring and arresting people who post vids of impacts online.

>>63960621
Anon, the USA just gave ICE a budget larger than every military on earth besides the USA and China. You clearly don't understand how much money the west throws around.

>>63960831
One, that's a 1(one) missile with a cluster warhead hit. Two, giving your enemy hit analysis material for free is a crime and SHOULD be punished, pidor.

>>63960837
>USA just gave ICE
and yet they barely give ukraine anything

>>63960826
He's not saar, more likely an unironic pidorstanian

>>63960812
Should be. Now we have to find those flak guns somewhere which is not a museum.

>>63960621
Russia's long term finances are in the toilet, it's this bad:

https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-vodka-production-sanctions-alcohol-ukraine-war/

>>63960871
NOOOOO NOT THE PATRIOTISM LIQUID

>>63960871
Pure copium. They only care about the price of oil. While it's high, they will be alright. Compare RU GDP with that of DE, FR, UK... and use IMF data.
https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/NGDP_RPCH@WEO/OEMDC/ADVEC/WEOWORLD

>>63960803
the famed 113% interception rate with burning skies

>>63960860
Ask the Swedes

>>63960883
>GDP
meme

>>63960823
Anti-drone AA outside the cities is nonexistent, big boy missile AA is prohibited from firing at shaheds, swarms generally avoid non-target cities, and if they transit through - it's useless to fire machineguns and most autocannons at stuff flying at that altitude.
Look at the picture of yesterday's attack >>63960554 . Almost everything flew across whole country and reached the target city.

>>63960887
>the famed 113% interception rate with burning skies
They're being intercepted by their targets.
Anyway, one vid from yesterday and how they now attack at a 90 deg angle from high up to avoid AA fire.

>>63960901
Plenty of those already, make pretty fireworks in the sky most of the time.

>>63960929
>They're being intercepted by their targets.
Those trees had it coming.

>>63960941
>trees
That's a TCC office.

>>63960914
>a pic showing the projected course of all the flying shit means everything reached the target
Smartest zisters. Again, show me HUNDREDS of hits that would have happened if it all reached Lutsk.
>>63960929
Oh no, it denazified that park!

>>63960946
And what's that? Let me guess, HATO command bunker?

>>63960946
A TCC office in the middle of a park? May we see it?

>>63960929
does this count as an interception? No wonder they have stellar results

>>63960883
State run alcohol sales and taxes are a massive source of income for militaristic regimes and Russia in particular.

A great example is how after the Russo Japanese war the Lehman Brothers helped Japan redo it's domestic income by outlawing private saki production so they could tax licensed sales, half the funds that paid for the Imperial military came from booze.

>that wasn't a hospital/school/supermarket/restaurant, that was actually a HATO bunker/biolab/training facility/TCC office
>heh, look at this zunderwaffe hitting nothing, does it count as an intercept, hohols?
Guess the budget for competent zhills has started running out.

>>63960984
this you??

>>63960959
>>63960960
New trend is to post the address of your local TCC office in hopes that RU will send Geran at it.

>>63960994
>has coordinates
>misses
Implessive.

>>63961000
>misses

>>63960994
what's the point of bombing tcc offices if ukies just grab people on the streets and drag them straight to the frontlines?
or at least that's what russian shills shilled for the longest time(and now it's nowhere to be seen btw, new metodichka i guess).

>>63960984
I look like this and say this

>>63961020
Ah yes, clearly a bojo cloning facility. Devastating.

>>63961020
Any building russia accidentally hits becomes tcc office, i beliv

>>63961021
>straight to the frontlines?
That;s too inefficient. You need an accumulation point and then bus people away.
>>63961030
Just a scratch.
>>63961042
Ukrainians themselves are giving them the coordinates of TCC locations. They don't want to get conscripted I guess.

>>63960994
And this is totally not a trolling because??

>every building hit I posted was a TCC office

>>63960947
>a pic showing the projected course of all the flying shit means everything reached the target
That pic is a post-attack one. They absolutely reached Luts'k, and hit targets/were shot down.
Projected looks like this (of the same attack).
There's nothing that can intercept shaheds outside of cities except for planes(doesn't go well as was found out) or helicopter gunships(too few).

>>63961021
Newest zigger psyop, they now intentionally target those to then claim
>Look ukkerino cumrads, we're liberating you from ebil conscriptors!

>>63961065
So are you telling me that no drones have been shot down before they reached Lutsk, is that right?

>>63961052
>Kharkiv
Btw how's the offensyiv there going comrade?

>>63961058
imagine all the meatcatching it prevented
thank you geran..

>>63961021
A humanitarian action, unironically. Manifestation of the soft power and the good will. Akin to dropping food and leaflets on the besieged town instead of bombs but with bombs instead of food.

Russia actually wins hearts of Ukrainians by bombing them. Can you imagine that?

>>63960646
Ursula von der Tulip of Brussels Autonomous Oblast here, so many billion of eurodollar are not capable of sending to the Ukraine yearly. I am already down to last hamster for eat. If we do not stopp send money to evil nazi hoholmogay Banderit regime of unconstituational, I am starve!

>>63961090
oh wow that's really is the new metodichka >>63961067
anon was right lmao

>>63961090
why aren't you at the front?

>>63961070
A couple over Kyiv maybe(heard some explosions and autocannon fire yesterday, didn't see anything this time to confirm if those were shot down or hits).

A guy from Dnipro said that theirs AA didn't engage the pack that was transiting over them at all. Sounds dubious I know, but a couple kinzhals flew directly over Kyiv towards the same target, and there were no attempts to launch patriots at them.

>>63961132
>I heard
>someone said
So why is Lutsk not a pile of smoking rubble? If several hundred guided bombs and 14 missiles actually hit their targets, there would have been widespread destruction, and it would have made the news.

>>63961146
>>I heard
>>someone said
Most of the time is the best you can get. And FIRMS. They targeted airfields there and in Ozerne near Zhitomir, probably hunting F-16s - nobody is gonna allow news report about that even if nothing vital was hit there.
>actually hit their targets
Actually reached target city. Because that's the only thing I'm trying to convey - that there's effectively nothing that can hit drones while they are in transit above middle of nowhere. Dunno about accuracy.

>>63961101
It goes even deeper than that
Ziggers also paint ukie flags on their sneeds, as well as some provocative phrases in ukrainian language (along the lines of "Take that, TCC!"), all of that is obviously then dumped into ukie infospace to futher help the ongoing narrative.
What they don't get is that one of the big reasons the TCC is despised is them being a relative safe havens throughout the war (unless inaccurate zigger shit just so happens to hit them on accident). The more ziggs keep hitting these, the more the TCC workers will be viewed as the same non-combatants being hunted down and killed by subhumans. Sure, it won't cause ukies to suddenly start mass volunteering as a sign of solidarity, but it will start slowly improving the public image of conscriptors, achieving the exact opposite effect of ongoing metodichka.

Why didn't Gerans save the disastrous Sumy offensiev?

>>63961285
Turns out, your copefensives fail when your ordnance is spent on scaring civilians in the deep rear rather than hitting something valuable on the frontline.

>>63961258
>meatcatchers are just misunderstood victims
bold assessment

>>63960984
>no arrow on 3rd line
you say that and you look like that
>>63961146
probably because it's "just" several tens of tons of ordnance total. fat man was 1000x as powerful but only destroyed 40% of nagasaki
>>63943275
>Ukraine is going out of there way to not hit civilians
some units probably are but others dont give a fuck (e.g. how they blew up a truck driver to get to the crimean bridge) and some even deliberately stage attacks on civvies (e.g. the train derailments on june 1 2025 and the mass shooting at crocus). ukraine is a mixed bag
also *their
>>63946592
>look i hit a bullseye
>nuh uh you were aiming for the target 10 feet to the right of yours and missed by exactly 10 feet, you just got super lucky

>>63961285
currently they're used at a strategic level. at the tactical level you see shit like fpv drones and lancets

>>63942333
>considering it was only a feature of multi-million dollar cruise missiles previously, yes

Maybe like 20+ years ago? I know switchblades have GPS and they've been produced since 2011

>>63961367
>that ISIS-K mass shooting? UKR MoD approved and ordered by Zelenskyy himself.
crocodil fueled delusions

>>63946934
>That's $120 million lost to $40k worth of drones.

I didn't realize the f-16s did absolutely nothing else

>>63951277
>You jest but Russia is working hard to try and bring the cost down and production up.

Like paying the factory below cost to make them? Lol yeah it's really easy to get stuff cheaply when you stop caring about making sure people get paid to make it.

>>63961388
>Maybe like 20+ years ago?
most cruise missiles are ancient. tomahawks are from the cold war. storm shadow andtaurus were developed in the 90s. back then gps was brand new tech.

>>63961416
>ukraine had nothing to do with it even though the perpetrators fled towards ukraine
>if isis said they did something it means that nobody else helped them or was involved in any way whatsoever

>>63961373
>currently they're used at a strategic level.
Droning residential buildings in Kyiv is strategic level?

>>63946919
>2? 3?
wow it's so over

>>63951277
>They're currently at 200-300/day and attempting to get to 1k/day
very impressyivsky. Tho I was being told that Russia produces million a year, in.... 2023? That's 3000 drones per day, and since then they tripled it, and now they will triple it again. I am very scareydsky of those $200 drones, and I am not going to ask for what a price they bought them from iran.

>>63961416
You know it's bad when fucking ISIS crawls out of woodwork to ridicule ziggers on their vranyo, and they STILL triple-down on it to try and plant it on ukies.

>>63961367
>1 truck driver for an entire bridge section
>Commercial amd military train derailment
>Unrelated zigger cope about an ISIS terrorist attack
Kek. Get in the trench so I can roll a mine drone into it with you.

>>63960621
>EU can't afford $120 billion for Ukraine every year.
They pay more to Orban just because it's less paperwork and politics than actually dealing with him.

$120b is very little for EU, they can absolutely afford to spend this every year to keep Russia in a quagmire.

>>63960621
>EU can't afford $120 billion for Ukraine every year.
Why not?
Doesn't seem like that much honestly.

>>63960660
>They now fly way too high for AA guns to reach them
>way too high
It's not.
It's just barely too high and sometimes they can hit them.

Of course the more advanced guns can still hit them at that altitude but there's less of them.
I watched a few drones get machine gunned last night and they weren't even attacking where I was, just flying over.

>>63960764
>Pics or it didn't happen bro
Sadly, pics of drone shoot downs are very bland, it's just a few dots of light in the distance. It never looks as good as with the naked eye, maybe with a professional DSLR you could do something but not with a phone.

>>63960883
>They only care about the price of oil
Anon, Russians will drink toilet disinfectant if they can't get vodka.
Wood alcohol is coming back into fashion.

There's going to be more Russians dying from methanol poisoning than from bullets.
I suppose blindness saves you from mobilisation though.

>>63961834
>I suppose blindness saves you from mobilisation though
Bold of you to assume minesweeping duties require sight in puccian army.

>>63961193
>that there's effectively nothing that can hit drones while they are in transit above middle of nowhere
That's not true.
Aside from fighters with sidewinders or whatever, there are helos with guns, interceptor drones, the gepard is at the far edge of its non-classified engagement altitude there but would sometimes be effective. Hell, even MANPADS have the range.

>>63961132
>heard some explosions and autocannon fire yesterday, didn't see anything this time to confirm if those were shot down or hits
I saw hits over Kyiv and a few downed, a few exploded overhead out of sight.

>>63961258
>one of the big reasons the TCC is despised is them being a relative safe havens throughout the war
>>63961323
It's that connected assholes were bribing them way into recruitment service to avoid the front.
If they're a front now anyway, then what's to resent?

>>63961367
>the mass shooting at crocus
zigger detected

>>63961729
>Get in the trench so I can roll a mine drone into it with you.
The 3rd assault brigade *captured* an entire zigger position with only FPVs and UGVs.
Not destroyed, captured, almost all taken prisoner without a single Ukie on-site.

If your UGV rolls into your trench and says "would you like to surrender or shall I just explode now?"...what do you do?

>>63961850
>Bold of you to assume minesweeping duties require sight in puccian army.
Isn't there a card game about minesweeping with blind old ladies?

>>63961065
I think this is a better projection map showing the raid on Luts'k in real time.

>>63961904
> That's not true.
> Aside from fighters with sidewinders or whatever, there are helos with guns
->
>>63961065
> except for planes(doesn't go well as was found out) or helicopter gunships(too few).

> interceptor drones
Early adoption, hopeful about them. But its still an fpv, its not gonna chase a shahed from hundreds kilometers away, and operators would not be stationed outside major population centers/strategic sites.
> the gepard is at the far edge of its non-classified engagement altitude
Gepard is great, but again, its not leaving places where its already stationed. To reliably cover territory and hit drones in transit, you'll need thousands, maybe tens of thousands of those. Which is very unrealistic.
> Hell, even MANPADS have the range.
They do, and they work. And as before, they are stationed in cities. Maybe sometimes "shaheds" fly over some low intensity frontline, and soldiers notice in time, and have some stingers collecting dust... Insignificant for a larger picture.

We are now over 3 yeas into the 2 week special operation and third world shills are still trying to convince a taiwanese basket weaving forum that their iranian lend lease RC plane is a wunderwaffe that will destroy the west
This is honestly fucking pathetic lmao

>>63961729
>unlike ruzzia we don't target civilians
>ok fine we killed two civilians in this attack but we also blew up 0.2% of a bridge used almost exclusively by civilians so it was worth it
geg pro-ukrainians are stupid
>>63961924
>The 3rd assault brigade *captured* an entire zigger position with only FPVs and UGVs.
>Not destroyed, captured, almost all taken prisoner without a single Ukie on-site.
even if that's true, they didn't send anyone into the position, so they didn't capture it. ukrainian propaganda depends on the reader having zero critical thinking ability

>>63962039
can't believe russia was 3 years ahead of america

>>63961367
Pidor if they find out you are hiding a phone to shitpost they will piss on you again.

>>63961978
>except for planes(doesn't go well as was found out)
Guns don't, missiles are fine.

>But its still an fpv, its not gonna chase a shahed from hundreds kilometers away, and operators would not be stationed outside major population centers/strategic sites
Do they not have autonomous terminal guidance?
I think they're somewhat similar to the Russian point&shoot interceptor drones.

>Gepard is great, but again, its not leaving places where its already stationed
Gepards are highly mobile with a 500km range on a full tank.
Ukraine has integrated air defences, they can detect an incoming wave and task air defences to relocate and intercept them in their flight path.
There are a lot of drones shot down over the countryside because there are air defence units out there that relocate to cut off the incoming wave.

>>63962040
>they didn't send anyone into the position, so they didn't capture it
They captured the soldiers in the position by forcing them to surrender. What they do with the position after that is up to them because there are no more ziggers there.
You're a rashist zigger, you should go join the army so we can see your face on an FPV video. Try to get a patch that says "hi /k/" so we'll know it was you.

>>63941518
>Indian women were actually the least likely to reply to Indian men of any race
good god, how do they not an hero.

>aaaaiiiieeeee all ukie propaganda cumrad!
This is the same zubhuman shill who will proclaim that striking his pissful poombers lobbing cruise missiles at ukrainian cities is a warcrime, and call you a 'holhol nafo tranny' if you dare to claim otherwise.

>>63962039
who's winning?

>>63962078
That's not that surprising, if you're overseas then you want to try the local offerings.
If you didn't like them, you probably wouldn't have come in the first place.

>>63962076
>What they do with the position after that is up to them because there are no more ziggers there.
there also aren't any ukrianians there, so ukraine doesn't control the territory any more than russia does. by your logic, russia automatically captures every ukrainian position it nails with a glide bomb, even if russians can't actually get to the position due to landmines, drones, artillery, etc.
>half of your post is namecalling
you're a brown woman lol

Btw under drone(and missile) attack right now. Seen some shot down, and a pack of big AA missiles fired at allegedly ballistic missile(dunno about results).

>>63962046
>>63962039
same retard energy

Oh god, this pidorashka is still seething?
I thought he has fucked off, kek.
I guess 15 rubbles won't earn themselves.

>>63962470
>Btw under drone(and missile) attack right now
What's the percentage of interceptions in your opinion? Is it as high as the gov says?

>>63964021
Sneaky way to get info, Ivan.

>>63962095
>passive-aggressive question
>implying something retarded with video or image
classic thirdie post.

>>63964021
Russia managed to kill two people in Kyiv, including a 68 year old woman. I think this has strategic importance and will save the current Sumy offensiev.

>>63964036
Russians have a shitton of satellites you know. They do BDAs after every strike. They don't need an opinion of some mouthbreathing retard on a boomer forum.

>>63964064
How many substations, drone factories, ammo depots, etc have they taken out tho?

>>63941819
>everything always circles back to copying germans

>>63964065
>sir we hit that kindergarden right on target
>good, proceed to hit more schools and hospitals

>>63964066
All of them. The queef in two weeks as usual, concooooooorned sister.

>>63964065
Alright then, how many hits, glonASS zister?

>>63945896
its pub boris johnsons

>>63964065
sure they do zizter

>>63964086
opsec dammit
you cant just post our secret wunderwaffe in here

>>63964065
>Russians have a shitton of satellites you know
Not so many actually, they haven't been able to build or launch them reliably in a long time and some quantity of the old ones are no longer operational.
They also have trouble with downlinks these days too.

>>63964066
>How many substations, drone factories, ammo depots, etc have they taken out tho?
They managed to get an out-patient clinic of a hospital so I guess there's that.
Out of the 397 drones, 29 hit something. 1 of the others made it to Lithuania which had NATO pilots responding but it crashed shortly after crossing the border and was recovered by ground forces. It turned out to be a decoy, seems to be basically an empty Shahed with no warhead or any electronics to speak of.

A decoy seems to have landed in Lithuania, some are say Gerber, others that it was something weird and homemade.
I think it's probably a Gerber rigged to be a cheap decoy, there's a lot of drones over that part of Ukraine at the moment, Lviv has been taking a lot of drones today though I don't have information about impacts (if any).

>>63964389
It seems like it was mostly hollow and cheaply made, obviously to act as a decoy.
Unless Lithuanians removed internal components before photographing it in the field which doesn't seem that likely.

>>63946934
>old worn out block 15 mlu airframes from the early 90s, pulled from bone yards and patched together are now worth more than brand new block 72s
you really are this retarded arent you?