You DO have your STINC-50 on order, right?

>P90 at home for $750

Why the hell not?

>>63945292 (OP)
>Kel Tec STINC-50
The jokes just write themselves lol

19 dollars per mag of ammo, thats why.

>>63945292 (OP)
So this gives it an AR trigger group and then I can run an SS?
Neat.

>>63945864
That's relatively cheap compared to most calibers. 9mm and 5.56 guys are spoiled

>>63945292 (OP)
Does this actually feed correctly from the mag when it's upside down?
I was under the impression they were somewhat finicky as it is, which is why 5.7 ammo comes lubricated.

>>63945292 (OP)
>>63946150
Shit disregard I guess, didn't realize the p50 itself fed upside down.

>>63945901
>the people who use the most standard ammo out there are spoiled
That's like saying people who breathe air are posh

>>63945864
40 cpr is hardly that bad, call me when you're paying 357 magnum prices
>>63946167
No, it's like saying a guy who's only worked at a remote desk job doesn't really understand what a hard day's work is. 9mmfags and 5.56fags are frankly spoiled by the market practically bending over backwards to keep them fed and making other people adopt their taste

>>63946167
That analogy is terrible.

>>63945292 (OP)
>STINC-50
uh oh

>>63945292 (OP)
Should have made it 9mm

>>63946439
Keltec? Stuff and Things Inc make accessories not guns.
>they already made it in 9mm

>>63945892
Problem with that is the SS uses specific geometry of an AR BCG. I've been told anything that isn't a M16/FA BCG won't work with a FRT or SS since it doesn't have the right geometry on the tail of the bolt to let the lever up

>>63946465
thats dope

>>63946477
You just need additional parts to make it work.
For instance, if you use an AR fcg lower with an mp5 and want to make an frt work you need to get a specific mp5 trip.
Just need someone to design one that works with this things specific geometry.

>>63945864
*50 round mag. Stop being dramatic.

>>63946167
No, it's like the people complaining that video games are now getting more expensive despite the fact that games have been $60 for 30 years.

>>63946591
They're designing the trip. It's gonna be great. I might try a bump grip with it and we'll see what happens there too

>>63947771
>No, it's like the people complaining that video games are now getting more expensive despite the fact that games have been $60 for 30 years.
All I'm saying is that there's a very easy way for studios and publishers to save money and maintain that $60 (before taxes, special editions, pre-orders, MTX, DLC, etc...) price point.
Hint: It involves the CEOs.

>>63947771
>video games are now getting more expensive despite the fact that games have been $60 for 30 years.
There were less gamers back then.
They can make up for the inflation by moving more product, which they do. The fact is that game development is absolutely bloated. Teams of 100-150 people could make games just fine but somewhere along the line we started getting 400-500 dev teams and games aren't 4x better.
Anyway $60 bucks in 1990 dollars was the cost of selling niche products to enthusiasts. Now it's mainstream and a lot of pipelines are streamlined in terms of music/sound production and texturing/3d modelling/animation. How much did average AR prices drop after they became popular to own?

>>63947771
>>63948018
>muh heckin bideo gaymes adjusted for inflation noooooo!!!!
Okay, first of all go back >>>/v/irgin
Secondly just stop buying un-optimized mediocre triple gAAAy slop and buy $40-$20 indie games instead. Be the solution not the coomsumerist problem.

>>63945292 (OP)
>>P90 at home for $750
>Why the hell not?
I prefer the bullpup format but whatever floats your go and so long as it's at least as reliable as the SUB2000 then if it floats your goat then go ahead.

>>63946150
>>63946155
>Shit disregard I guess, didn't realize the p50 itself fed upside down.
That doesn't matter unless your zip lining down from a roof to blast open a window for a raid.

>>63945292 (OP)

I don't need it...
I don't need it...
I definitely don't need it...

>>63945292 (OP)
I'm waiting for the SBR fallout before getting one. I want a P50 but they're over $700 while the R50 is under $500. Why should I pay $200 more for a longer barrel and no stock AND buy another aftermarket stock?

I'm hoping Kel Tec stays super based and the price on them drops, even if demand causes a short term spike.

>>63949054
thats crazy that they are expensive again
they used to be $500

>>63946167
Lmao why are 5.56/9mm fags so fucking retarded? Nice 90 IQ post.

>>63949326
Ok so they were cheaper. I thought I was losing my mind when I saw $700 on Friday.

I'd do it for $500 but not for $700. I know it's not that much of a difference but that's 500 rounds of 5.7. I won't shoot that many 5.7 in a year.

>>63949615
it's difficult not to shoot that much 5.7 every time I take it out to the range
probably why I don't take it out that often

>>63945292 (OP)
>we have p90 at home
>p90 at home-

>>63949720
I'M FUCKING CUMMING UNNNNNNNNNGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>63945864
Used to be more and considering inflation, this is really cheap. Yay for scales of economy

>>63945864
>19 USD for 50 rounds
>A box of 9mm magtech is like 20 bucks
So 5.7 is cheaper now? damn.

>>63945864
5.7 is actually really easy to reload
and as a 10mm shooter, i don't see much of an issue myself

>>63945292 (OP)
Need a brass deflector still, the videos just show the optic getting hammered with empties

>>63950997
>5.7 is actually really easy to reload
Not if you're using P90 mags which need the case lube to feed properly. Even ignoring that it's a bottleneck round. That doesn't make it hard by any means, but it's still a .224" bullet. Still one primer. You'll save like 18gr of powder vs 5.56 but that's like 10 cents at most. Since you're limited to 40gr and under bullets for 5.7 (realistically limited) you're going to lose some of if not all that 10 cents to a more expensive bullet. If I can reload 5.56 at damn near the same cost with the same effort as 5.7, why would I shoot the weaker version of 5.56?

If you compare 5.7 to a pistol round it is not easy or cheap to reload by pistol standards.

>>63953874
yeah but shooting a 62 grain bullet at subsonic speeds is really funny

>>63953874
>which need the case lube to feed properly
They don't. We've tested this over and over, you can reload them like 5-6 times which is about the average life for high pressure brass anyway.

>>63954082
I will not argue against that
>>63954154
Really? That's news to me. So what FN is a bunch of greedy jews? I thought the rotation in the P90 mags caused issues but with the pistols you are fine.

So when you clean your brass the coating doesn't degrade?

>>63949720
This is a warcrime.
Good job.

>>63945292 (OP)
if kel-tec was smart they'd license the lower and just sell them that way

>>63954230
>So what FN is a bunch of greedy jews
Anon, you already know the answer.

>>63945292 (OP)
Looks like something a random alien henchman in Star Wars would carry.

>>63954082
Even better, load up some 77grn mk262 in there. Mini .300 BLK, lol.

I wonder if you could get one of those 90 or 95s they use in .224 Valk to fit... probably not but would be fun if it did.

>>63946150
The lubrication is so that the combined friction of 50 rounds doesn't bind the magazine up. The follower spring will happily push rounds through the playground spiral slide without regard to gravity.

>>63945292 (OP)
Shame the trigger guard has to be so small to accommodate the magazine change path. Doesn't really matter for a HD piece/range toy, I guess.

>>63954601
>77gr
those won't fit iirc

>>63954601
>>63954605
You could probably make some wildcat optimized for XXXtra-heavy-for-caliber bullets as long as you didn't mind paying $$$ for custom barrels.

>>63955057
yeah but that won't feed in my magazines

>>63955085
If it's straight walled and the same OAL, why would the magazine care?

>>63955116
draw what you're thinking of and I'll tell you why you're retarded

>>63955121

>>63955144
God that looks hilarious, I hope that's a real wildcat and not just a shoop

>>63945292 (OP)
5.7 is not as commonly on sale
It doesn't really hold any significant advantage
It's not good looking

>>63955203
It's shooped; you can tell by some of the pixels.

>>63955144
okay that might work, yeah
I feel like having the shoulder less than halfway down the cartridge overall length and/or Center of Mass of the cartridge will do bad things to feeding but I'm not sure

>>63957958
The case probably wouldn't need to be *that* much shorter, just enough to put the neck around the bearing surface of a 75–95gr bullet while maintaining a 40.5mm COAL. It'd be dictated by how much case capacity you could give up before you couldn't push the bullet to 1000 fps in a 10" barrel with 50 kpsi chamber pressure anymore.
A cartridge's center of gravity is always going to be a little fucky since the bullet generally weighs more than everything else combined, e.g., a typical .44 Magnum round consists of a 240gr bullet sitting in a ~110 grain case with 20 grains of powder in it. Again, I don't really think the magazine would care, since even if you made some deranged handload with a depleted uranium bullet and magnesium alloy case, there's simply no room in the system for the cartridge to spin out or whatever you're imagining it doing as a result of its uneven weight distribution.

>>63958373
long cartridges like that can get wedged between the feed lips and the slide face and the feed ramp in a weird way, I'm not sure if the shorter shoulder makes that better or worse
it's one of the primary faults of the 10mm auto

>>63958427
First I've heard of it. It's worth noting that 10mm Auto doesn't have a case shoulder at all since it's straight-walled, and that one of the marketing bullet points .357 SIG fanboys like to parrot is that the bottleneck case design improves feeding since the case neck is so much narrower than the back end of the chamber—if there's any validity to that, it'd be the same for such as 5.7 FN and our hypothetical .224 Mousefart

>>63945292 (OP)
>lelkek
>in 22 goyim edition
>aftermarket chinkshit

>>63946465
>Stuff and Things Inc make accessories not guns.

>>63949720
That's an obscene distance from magazine to ejection port. 10/10

>>63958672
>built on the Nova Modul (CAI) NAK-9

>>63958715
Shit, I didn't even notice that—I thought it was just gonna chuck hot brass straight down onto your wrist

>>63949720
I'd buy the shit out of this, only they need to use the R-50 and make a 0 stamp bullpup version too

>>63958764
Is this good or bad I can't keep up with which CAI bits and bobs are great and which ones are abominable
Wouldn't mind having a gepard though.

>>63945292 (OP)
How reliable is a p90 mag when feeding up instead of down?

>>63946439
Memes aside, the p50 sparked a nagging desire for it to be chambered in 22tcm. Magazines and consequentially itself never ever, but if it happened 9mm users would win too.

>>63961498
Great question, there has to be a reduction in the life of the mag, don't think that's been measured yet. >>63955226
It looks way better and more unique than that shit.

>>63949720

>>63945292 (OP)
Why would they put the stock so high forcing you to use an uneccesary retardedly high optic riser? The comb can be placed anywhere, they're making the lower with no mechanical restrictions. This is a stupid design adding needless bulk to the weapon.

>>63961484
The ones that they import are (generally) good. The ones they make themselves are dogshit.

>>63961498
Why would it make any difference? The rounds are pushed down the playground slide by the magazine spring, not gravity.

>>63963072
Get your eyes checked. That looks like a 1.54" (absolute cowitness) height mount, and the drop from the rail to the stock comb looks the same as an AR.

>>63954603
No, the lube is for extraction, since it's a completely straight walled case.

>>63963680
Then how come it's only needed on the P90, and not any 5.7mm pistols?

>>63945864
>7.62x39 is only 4cpr cheaper than 5.7
fuck me

>>63963721
where 5.7x28 vityaz

>>63963706
Higher slide/bolt velocity.

>>63963706
the P90 is straight blowback with no delay and has a very light bolt
all of the pistols are recoil operated