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Anonymous No.63946031 >>63946034 >>63946044 >>63946045 >>63946086 >>63946181 >>63946208 >>63946214 >>63946329 >>63946894 >>63946969 >>63948499 >>63951532 >>63951728 >>63951819 >>63951823 >>63951850 >>63955439 >>63955599 >>63955710
You are a country who has just declared war on America. Your military generals estimate that you will lose at least 2 times more men then the Americans. Your only choice is to convince the American public to drop support for the war and give up.

What pysops do you run to do this?
Anonymous No.63946034 >>63946036 >>63946069
>>63946031 (OP)
Muttposting and BBC
Anonymous No.63946036 >>63946046 >>63951564
>>63946034
Americans already post this stuff 24/7
Anonymous No.63946041
Directed psyops. Convince the left that we love gay race communism, blacks, troons, gay anal, etc, convince the right that we are the fourth reich and only wish to create a white ethnostate, and the (((right))) that we only wish to fight wars for Israel.
Anonymous No.63946044 >>63946049 >>63951799
>>63946031 (OP)
You already fucked up by declaring war. The trick is to just fuck around with other regional powers until the US intervenes. If you give Americans legitimate casus belli you'll whip up rabid patriotic sentiment like in 2001.
Anonymous No.63946045 >>63946956 >>63950513 >>63954084
>>63946031 (OP)
Probably nuke israel. We would absolutely hate that and definitely just give up out of sadness.
Please, please, whatever you do; DON'T DO THAT.
And definitely don't then nuke NYC, San Francisco, LA and DC. God, the horror!
And certainly not South Detroit and Camden NJ!
Anonymous No.63946046
>>63946036
>Americans
Anonymous No.63946049 >>63946061 >>63946081
>>63946044
yes and that led to a 20 year war that Americans were burnt out of 15 years before that. just imagine how americans will feel when 500+ are dying a week.
Anonymous No.63946061 >>63946071
>>63946049
its not the war itself, its because americans at home got poorer. i think the death has nothing to do with americas will to fight. but once you make it not worth it to work a career, commit to a family, commit to building a community, then you just get widespread apathy and a generation of people that dont just not care for the country, but actively hate it for giving them such a shit quality of life.

in short, our enemies were almost there. nearly there. but the american spirit truly is indomitable, even from its own depression.
Anonymous No.63946069
>>63946034
Lmao dude that's ChiComs redditors and JIDF, Americans aren't obsessed with nigger dick like the communists and jews are.
Anonymous No.63946071 >>63946075 >>63946079 >>63946204 >>63946363
>>63946061
Didn't the average american only pay 20$ a year for all the Ukraine aid sent over there? They still threw a massive fit over it. I feel like it'll be very easy to convince a large population of America that a war with China or whoever isn't worth it and to give up on their ambitions.
Anonymous No.63946075 >>63946089
>>63946071
so when you say 'declare war on americans,' does that involve you coming onto our soil at all? Cause what would 'winning' a war with america look like to you, if not total capitulation. Because Ukraine simple was not our problem. And we didn't send so much soldiers as we did our fucking money. 20 dollars? For what? I wouldnt pay 5.
Anonymous No.63946079
>>63946071
>Average American
Roughy 40% of us even pay taxes
Anonymous No.63946081
>>63946049
>burnt out
on the contrary, it became the new norm and an entire generation was raised never knowing a time the US wasn't bombing the shit out of goat herders.
>imagine how americans will feel when 500+ are dying a week.
historically speaking, going into a war assuming the other side can't stomach losses is fucking stupid. The only reason it worked in Vietnam was because it was one of those regional conflicts that the US tried to police. A foreign power starting a fight with the US directly would be very different, and has proven to be different in the past.
Anonymous No.63946086
>>63946031 (OP)
>You are a country who has just declared war on America.
Why exactly did we do this? You can be opposed to the US while not being at war with them. Look at Cuba, if you cozy up to the euros and don't rock the boat then you can hate America in their own back yard and nothing will happen. By extension this applies to Russia as well, they forged ties with euros and so were allowed to do what they wanted within reason for years (objection to the Chechen wars and Ossetia was lip service, and the sanctions were easily survivable after 2014), and it was even a coinflip what the euro response to the 2022 invasion would be. So I guess that's the answer, immediately send envoys to Germany and France to try become trading partners with them ASAP before the burgers notice you've declared war.
Anonymous No.63946089 >>63946101
>>63946075
I'm moreso talking about Taiwan since the current US admin seems very hawkish on China. American defeat in that situation would be basically kicked out of the South China Sea, no more bases in Japan/Korea and China having reign to send ships out to patrol it and basically turn those countries into vassal states like they are with the US.

China invading Taiwan sounds very similar to Russia invading Ukraine. The exact same excuses could made like "Taiwan always belonged to China", "Nato/AUKUS made China do those things", "We need to focus on America and not some war in Asia" etc etc
Anonymous No.63946101 >>63946111
>>63946089
Well in that case, I think that has much more catastrophic potential than zelensky/russia. there is no outcome in which america will let china simply absorb taiwan. Americans see China as more of a direct enemy already.

If that were to happen, I see the ghost of macarthur coming back and stacks of chinese that make the great wall look like a parking lot curb. i am not racist, just what i see happening
Anonymous No.63946111 >>63946144 >>63946172 >>63946544
>>63946101
Sure but China is likely to feel the exact claim and I'm sure they will throw bodies after bodies at Taiwan to capture it. The CCP will say that Taiwan is the final step to achieve greatness and become the number 1 super power and the Chinese will fall in line with that. I think the American people are weaker and more divisive. Russia paid popular right wing influences millions to shill and America did nothing. I don't think it will be hard to break the American spirit if the war goes on longer then 2 years.
Anonymous No.63946144 >>63946295
>>63946111
>I don't think it will be hard to break the American spirit if the war goes on longer then 2 years.
I don't know why anybody can still believe this, history clearly says the exact opposite. If the Chinese think they can do a Pearl Harbor or 9-11 and get away sneaky squeaky like its Beirut or Somalia they're VERY mistaken. Patriotic Country music basically gives America an unwavering moarle buff for at least 10 years upon initiation of hostilities.
Anonymous No.63946154
I spam propaganda about the president being a pedophile and wait for the next election
Anonymous No.63946172
>>63946111
>Russia paid popular right wing influences millions to shill and America did nothing
Nothing came close to letting zelensky simply be zelensky. you give credit to irrelevant parties. the best thing russia did was let trump meet zelensky in front of cameras.

if you misunderstand that then i dont know what else i can explain better to you
Anonymous No.63946181 >>63946223 >>63952570
>>63946031 (OP)
I immediately surrender and collect my free reconstruction money.
Anonymous No.63946204 >>63954045
>>63946071
$20 from every man woman and child in America is less than $7 billion.
America has sent at least $128 billion, (realistically >150)
So if only ~40% of Americans pay in, that is $941 per tax payer. Obviously it is more complicated than that and the amount of people that actually pay in to the system is closer to 32%
Anonymous No.63946208
>>63946031 (OP)
Attack the practised virtue of truth via information warfare to collapse their democratic system from within and thus disrupt their ability to act decisively abroad
Anonymous No.63946214
>>63946031 (OP)
I wouldn't declare war on the US and I would be the largest US political donor for a decade before declaring war on the US ally.
Anonymous No.63946223 >>63951927
>>63946181
This man is playing on a whole other level.
Anonymous No.63946295 >>63946316
>>63946144
I think thirdies who don't know how democracy works (and are probably too young to remember 9/11) see us bickering amongst ourselves and believe that means we don't have the will to fight an external enemy, not that we're passing the time bickering until we have an external enemy to stomp the shit out of while holding hands and singing along to all the new "america fuck yeah" songs that will immediately spring up. American democracy has always been seen by opponents as unorganized and weak right up until Americans get mad enough to let the government put the war machine on full blast.
Anonymous No.63946316
>>63946295
I genuinely would like to see a wartime economy in my life. I mean all out; food and energy rationing and the reinstatement of the draft included. Maybe even blanket martial law.
I think we woild be much better as a country and society after we came out of it.
Anonymous No.63946329
>>63946031 (OP)
>You are a country who has just declared war on America.
Lol, lmao even. If said country can't/won't:
>invade US soil
>strike at US soil
>fuck with US boats
Then the US simply isn't gonna show up. Why would the US commit to a ground war against a literal nobody whose sole act of aggression is "I declared WAR on you! Come fight me!" and nothing else?
Unless you actually fucked up and messed with the boats or knocked over another tower (or can be blamed for knocking it over), then your main issue is being laughed at by everyone in the world when the US lmaos at your "declaration" and declines.
The main thing you have to worry about is actually provoking the US to declare war on you, which can be anything ranging from WMDs (real or imagined by Dick Cheney) to simply asking if you can hand over the leader of a global terrorist organization in a neutral country rather than one where you can be arrested and then executed because they feel like it.
Anonymous No.63946363 >>63948375
>>63946071
War in Ukraine doesn't affect us except testing and replacing weapons while also taking money away from peaceful domestic programs.
War with China threatens our way of life and possibly existence.
Anonymous No.63946544 >>63946585
>>63946111
China has its own problems to deal with namely that they decided to have a one child policy and the vast majority of them decided they'd rather have sons that is such an issue that they sex traffic women for their little emperors and this is also the country that invented Tiger Moms, the US sent their sons to Afghanistan for 20 years
Anonymous No.63946585 >>63955724
>>63946544
wouldn't a war that kills millions of chinese men be good tho?
Anonymous No.63946894 >>63946910
>>63946031 (OP)
Who are we that we can expect a 1:2 k/d ratio against America? Are we playing as Mars?
Anonymous No.63946910 >>63947320 >>63948449 >>63952607
>>63946894
Bro have you even seen the US military lately?
Anonymous No.63946956
>>63946045
"The Lord-Commissar-General-Admiral Great Leader has just ordered us to launch every warhead on Kansas? Why?"
"I just have a feeling"
Anonymous No.63946969
>>63946031 (OP)
Mass suicide of our nations youth in protest of the war posted to tic tok to make the internet cry! That will make America bend it's knee, surley!
Anonymous No.63947320 >>63951559 >>63955432
>>63946910
I love IDpol retards pointing to POGs saying the modern US military is weak.
Sure the US keeps losing wars because the politicians don't understand what a military can and can't be used for but look at the K:D of those wars.
Afghanistan
>Coalition ~4,000 KIA
>Taliban ~80,000 KIA

Iraq
>Coalition ~200 KIA
>IAF ~11,000 KIA
Anonymous No.63948375 >>63954084
>>63946363
what about Israel?
how does Israel wars affect you?
Anonymous No.63948449 >>63950486
>>63946910
This has to be misleading. No way those girls are expected to be saddled with 100lbs of shit and be thrust into battle.. right?
Anonymous No.63948499
>>63946031 (OP)
Upload pictures of dead kids on the internet, cry crocodile tears to international press, get NGOs to cry "genocide!", then invent new massacres at aid centers every day after you are defeated and occupied.
Anonymous No.63950486
>>63948449
no, half of them will become barracks bunnies while the other half will end up working behind desks
Anonymous No.63950513
>>63946045
>And definitely don't then nuke NYC, San Francisco, LA and DC
These places are more critical of Israel though
Anonymous No.63951532
>>63946031 (OP)
>Your only choice is to convince the American public to drop support for the war and give up.
actually use the nukes to show you consider it a real war
Anonymous No.63951559 >>63951569 >>63952624 >>63955733
>>63947320
The US keeps losing wars because they are horribly adverse to taking casualties.

Other nations realize war is hell and that they are inevitably going to suffer casualties one way or another. Therefore, they tend to only start wars if a) the guy in charge is an autocrat who doesn't need to take public opinion into account, or b) it's pretty much a war of national survival.

Americans on the other hand only know war from TV. The last attack on their own soil happened like 80 years ago (and they'll never let you hear the end of it), and the last proper land battle even 160 years ago. They don't know what it's like to lose your home to a bomb, or have your wedding party obliterated. Thus they tend so see war as this big manly adventure for manly men, and are absolutely flabberghasted if some of them don't return home.

To answer OPs question, I'd allow the US to invade me and then fight a guerilla war for a couple years until they've accumulated half a dozen casualties, at which point US public support for the war will falter and they pull out with their tail between their legs.
Anonymous No.63951564 >>63951579
>>63946036
Bro
BBC posting literally goes to zero everytime something happens in Israel and they have to mobilize
some autist on /pol/ literally proved this
Anonymous No.63951569 >>63951604
>>63951559
their enemies don't know what war is either, their disorganized local tribal spats (Iran-Iraq) doesn't even count as a real war
Anonymous No.63951579
>>63951564
also when basedjakparty hacked 4chan, all the meme flags were removed in archive and it showed like 90% of bbc posts were from Israel
Anonymous No.63951591 >>63951827
>Use scud missiles on the big american places they are gathering at
>Half their force just got gassed
>Cant stomach casualties
>Fucks back home
Saddam could have done a big strike in the months leading to desert storm, hed get bombed by air by the pilot that didnt get gassed a lil bit harder but they wouldnt be able to launch a ground campaign.
Also mine the entire border and put trenches, hidden pitboxes and lots of concertina wire with hidden mines to deal with engineers.
Anonymous No.63951604 >>63951618 >>63951726
>>63951569
Bro the Middle East has been such a perma-contested shithole for like 3,000 years, it would be easier to ask if they've ever known peace.

Same goes for Vietnam or Cambodia or Korea, all of which had been at war for years or even decades before the US chose to show up and swing their dicks around.

Basically you get oblivious soccer moms who just LOVE to brag about their army boy until he's injured in a war (how horrible, who would have thought this might happen?!) on the one hand, and hardened warriors who've been fighting a losing battle and seeing their friends and relatives drop like flies for years on the other hand.

They know the US are adverse to taking casualties, which is why all those insurgencies are a thing in the first place. Iraq, Afghanistan etc. knew they just needed to hold out long enough until another US administration got into power and chose to pull out.

Basically, the US likes to get into trouble quickly with much shock and awe while pivoting around equally quickly once they find out they've made a hasty commitment yet again.
Anonymous No.63951618 >>63951722
>>63951604
so just fuck them up then immediately go home, they can't make you blunder into a quagmire unless you consent
Anonymous No.63951722
>>63951618
... which the US have indeed been doing for once, lately. E. g. the strikes on Iran in June. Looks like they're starting to learn.

Thing is, these are isolated precision strikes. Nothing that can decide the outcome of a war (although it might prevent one).

IDK what OP means when he says "war with the US", but I guess he means full-blown invasion tier stuff?
Anonymous No.63951726
>>63951604
disorganized tribal spats are not real wars
Anonymous No.63951728
>>63946031 (OP)
During the last presidency my nation smuggled in hundreds of sleeper agents through the unprotected borders
I have them conduct terror attacks on American soil and false flag those attacks as some middle eastern shithole that Israel wants destabilized
America promptly forgets about me
Anonymous No.63951799
>>63946044
War was declared when they passed a law making it illegal to teach about sodomy in preschool
Anonymous No.63951819
>>63946031 (OP)
Just do what the Viets did, HIGH intensive guerilla warfare that never lets up. When enough clapistans die they get depressed and leave in a huff while muttering about "muh honor..."
Anonymous No.63951823
>>63946031 (OP)
Have your agents in education and media push the meme that America is and always was an evil, racist, sexist, transphobic, MAPphobic empire and should be destroyed (but also was always diverse and the nonwhite population always were the majority who invented and built everything, they were just oppressed by White minority rule)
Open the borders and the prisons, introduce "equity based" policing to "correct historical injustices" by never arresting browns or blacks for anything at all ever
Demonize anyone who resists this agenda as an evil; backward relic of outmoded thinking
Convince White American women that being a wife and mother is evil and oppressive, and all the cool girls nowadays are murdering their babies so they have more free time to be druggie whores
Convince the lower classes capitalism is an inherent evil and everyone who has more than them is a criminal colonizer and exploiter, so robbery and burglary are justified while working for money is a bourgeois perversion
Flood the streets with cheap easily available narcotics
Promote degeneracy in schools
Flood social media with messaging how anti-White genocide is noble and justified, and the few White families not going quietly into extinction are the real bad guys

Sit back and watch America burn to the ground.
Anonymous No.63951827 >>63955577
>>63951591
>>Use scud missiles on the big american places they are gathering at
>>Half their force just got gassed
>>Americans back home, seeing banned weapons used on their boys, go fucking ballistic and demand Iraq be turned into a parking lot
>>You just handed the west a reason to turn Iraq into a fucking radioactive parking lot
That's how that'd actually go.
Anonymous No.63951850
>>63946031 (OP)
>You are a country who has just declared war on America.
its like the cheat code for free money and infrastructure.
Anonymous No.63951863
>overt declaration of war from external sovereign nation
Last time that happened nukes were used. It won't happen in our lifetimes barring balkanization of the US.
Anonymous No.63951927
>>63946223
Strategy: Italian, WWII
See: catch-22, old man at the whorehouse
Anonymous No.63952570 >>63952675
>>63946181
> get forced to flood your country with browns instead while getting your brains drained
Anonymous No.63952607
>>63946910
And every time they fuck around and find out. Keep buying "america the weak".
Anonymous No.63952624 >>63952629 >>63952660
>>63951559
We kill 3 generations of men and destroy the demographics but they "won".
Anonymous No.63952629 >>63953112
>>63952624
> destroy the demographics
name one time this has happen (with a non white country)
Anonymous No.63952660 >>63952675 >>63953224
>>63952624
Even if that were true, the entire purported purpose for engaging in war is seldom achieved.
Spreading liberal democracy, as the pretext for building the dollar empire, in response to WW2 was the most profoundly stupid thing the US could have done when taking up the mantle of global hegemon.
We could have permantly made europe in the US' image, instead we had to make sure faggots acquired rights globally, engage in our own denazification program domestically, gradually off-shore our industries, and give everything east of Berlin to the Soviets.
Why?
Did we really win?
If not, who did?
Anonymous No.63952675 >>63952689 >>63953228
>>63952660
> We could have permantly made europe in the US' image
you did doughbeit
see
>>63952570

> If not, who did?
you already know who
Anonymous No.63952689
>>63952675
Not really, the US as it was in 1946 was not the same as the one we used as the blueprint for modern Europe. We used the atrocious 1965 update.
Anonymous No.63953112 >>63953671
>>63952629
Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq fucking rocked the populations.
Anonymous No.63953224 >>63953570
>>63952660
If you fuck the enemy, you win. Who cares about "losing the peace", it's a shithole, leave.
Anonymous No.63953228 >>63953247
>>63952675
>doughbeit
what niggerbabble is this?
Anonymous No.63953247 >>63953251
>>63953228
It's wojak subr*ddit refugee babytalk.
Anonymous No.63953251 >>63953288
>>63953247
Don't they know we hate their new words? Jesus post a fuckin gun you stole from some blog we can talk about. Here...
Anonymous No.63953288 >>63953434
>>63953251
At least two of them own(ed) guns, the guy who spams his r*dditjak grip 1911 and a black school shooter, not even memeing.
Anonymous No.63953434
>>63953288
I guess I'm always surprised. My glorious collection is two nuggets, a sino-soviet SKS, and 7.62x39 CZ 18". I mean it covers some bases... can't you poors get basic shit like that? There are still $200 nuggets at least right?
Anonymous No.63953570
>>63953224
>leave
The only correct thing in the post, leave the goatfuckers alone because winning isn't engaging in a war with a country that is only tangentially relevant because of the interests of a foreign nation that's not named the US.
Anonymous No.63953671 >>63953783
>>63953112
> Vietnam
Vietnams population in 1970 was barely 40 million
today it is more than 100 million
Anonymous No.63953783
>>63953671
and now this... it's 2021 so anything after that is pure bullshit but still, look at the war effect. Vietnam's breeding stock got napalmed.
Anonymous No.63954045 >>63954152
>>63946204
It's $3.02 per week per taxpayer on TZD based on your figures (and $157/y). You forgot to convert to yearly cost or include other sources of government revenue.

That's total, not per year. The war has been going for more than 3 years, and some of the "aid" in that total occurred before it even started. Finally, it's considering both civil and military aid, and frankly who the fuck cares about civil aid (doesn't kill Russians, so I don't care, get rid of it). The 124b number is DoD spending (and assumes all of it was military).

Finally, that definition of taxpayer includes only income tax, which I'd be ok with because of hypothecation of the major sources, except that the federal government doesn't directly pay for anything using revenue since it runs deficits - more than 1/4 of all spending is debt, ($1.83t debt/y, $6.75t total spending: Of the remaining revenue, about half is income tax and a third are those hypothecated sources).

So the way it works out is that for each $1 the US government spends, 24c comes from medicare taxes and goes to medicare, 38c comes from income taxes, 27c comes from debt, 11c comes from other taxes. Since medicare programs, sadly, don't kill any Russians, for each $1 available to the US government to kill Russians, 50c comes from income tax, 36% comes from debt and 14% comes from other taxes.

So it's more like $157 per year per current net taxpayer, or $3.02/week each. The other then it's $2/week/taxpayer from China (that might get paid back in the future by future US taxayers, but more likely will get paid for by more debt) and $1/week/taxpayer from things like tarriffs.
Anonymous No.63954084
>>63948375
I am also
>>63946045
Anonymous No.63954152
>>63954045
It's also relevant to note that for every $1 of budget available to the US government to spend on killing Vatniks, it chooses to spend $0.008 on that most worthy task - the average taxpayer's income tax dollar is 99.2% wasted on things that don't reduce the number of vatnik posters on the internet.

Only 0.6125% of the federal budget is spent on vatnik removal. The tragedy of this wasted opportunity to remove more Russians from the world will only be fully grasped by future generations.
Anonymous No.63955432
>>63947320
>just completely ignoring all the ANA who did the majority of actual ground fighting and dying

No wonder they fucking deserted and surrendered en masse rather than die for gay women's rights. You won't even fucking count them.
Anonymous No.63955439
>>63946031 (OP)
Just say your intention is nuke California in particular LA.
Hell the US public would actively be arming you at that stage.
Anonymous No.63955577
>>63951827
They were ready to get gassed actualy.
So no they wouldnt have used nukes
Anonymous No.63955599
>>63946031 (OP)
>What pysops do you run to do this?
start droping SICK videogames and anime with absolutely ZERO microtransactions, wokeness, or paywalled DLC
Anonymous No.63955710
>>63946031 (OP)
Show them the math on compound interest loans and how much they need ti make to buy one of these half million dollar houses. Basically redpill them on the JQ and BQ (billionaire question).
Anonymous No.63955724
>>63946585
Not really, because a lot of those men are also aged out. If you kill all the young men in a war, you still have a female population that's far too small to keep up and the remaining men are all shooting blanks.
Anonymous No.63955733
>>63951559
>The US keeps losing wars because they are horribly adverse to taking casualties.
The US is only adverse to take casualties in wars they think are pointless. Nobody gave a shit about all the guys killed in the first 5 or so years of the sandbox. After 20 years time the 10 or so dudes killed every year with literally zero gain? Yeah, the war exhaustion starts to set in by then.

A nation declaring war on the united states suddenly gives the US a good reason to fight and accept casualties.