Iran fired 545 MRBM/IRBMs, costing Iran between $4.3-$13.4 billion depending on the types of missiles used (estimated price tag between $8 million and $25 million). 28 Iranian missiles fell in other countries due to failure or interception.

Unknown number of Israeli AD interceptors fired, but 36 missiles impacted inside Israeli populated areas giving Israeli missile defense a success rate of 93.39%.

Light damage to 5 military bases based on satellite photos. Heavy damage to Haifa oil refinery, hospital, and University research building. All other damage were civilian dwellings or businesses.

1,100 drones fired by Iran, all but 1 intercepted or fell in other countries.

Iranian missile fire rate decreased drastically by day 5, Israeli interception rates began decrease by day 8 dropping to 80% effectiveness by day 12

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/07/05/iran-struck-five-israeli-military-bases-12-day-war/

Thoughts?

The optimal strategy would have been to deplete interceptors by firing the junk first, then the advanced stuff later.
Drones don't make sense over such distances vs. decent AA

Why do you mention how much Iran spent, but not how much Israel spent?
How large was the part of the "Israeli missile defense" was actually foreign military forces?
Why do you Zionists insist on shitting all over the post WWII democratic values your allies try to uphold?
For what purpose are you stockpiling foreskins?
What's with the reddit spacing?

Thoughts?

>>63946960
Most drones were shot down by aircraft or iron dome which isn’t used against ballistic missiles. There were no cheap short range missiles that could reach Israel. It wasn’t a viable strategy.

>>63946971
> Why do you mention how much Iran spent, but not how much Israel spent?
Right now, it’s impossible to determine. Nobody knows how many interceptors of which systems were fired. Moreover calculating the cost of aircraft bombing operations and munitions used is very difficult to determine

Rest of this post is oddly defensive

>>63946971
>Why do you mention how much Iran spent, but not how much Israel spent?
Well according to early calculations the US spend 250 million a day.

>>63946971
Why so uppity, Ahmed? I thought Iran won?

>>63946998
>20-10% of daily cost to Russia for Ukraine war
Nice

>>63947003
The brownest hands in the thread are yours Mosche, and the only way anyone can win this is if you both nuke each other.
>>63946978
Getting real tired of you JIDF cunts acting like your theocracy is any better than the Iranian theocracy.

>>63947015
lol calm down

>>63947015
You need to calm down I’m explaining why you can’t determine the exact cost of Israeli operations, at least not yet.

>>63946957 (OP)
>The new data were shared with The Telegraph by US academics at Oregon State University, who specialise in using satellite radar data to detect bomb damage in war zones.
so it's SAR?
if so why isn't it shown alongside the map
>>63946971
considering israel has about 10x less people and about 1.7x the gdp of iran
they can probably afford it better than iran

>>63947020
>>63947021
The money isn't the point, I'm pointing out that this is yet another shameless Israeli shill thread.

>>63947027
ye ye every post and thread that doesn't acknowledge the glorious victory of iran over the zionist entity is a shill one
gotcha

Hezbollah and Iran should have attacked israel just after 7 October to have the maximum impact.

>>63947032
You niggers can't even fathom that someone who has a strong dislike of Israel can have a strong dislike of Iran (or previously Hamas). You guys should all rot, but especially Israel because you shits are perceived as ideologically aligned with the west.

>>63946957 (OP)
Personally I'd like to hear how much the interceptions cost and how much of Israel's defensive stockpile was spent. Once we know that then we can draw conclusions as to how effective such attacks are long-term. Perhaps Iran might have more shitty rockets and drones than Israel has interception systems, its just that these exchanges don't last long enough for that potential advantage to reveal itself. Currently though it's as everyone expects, Israeli air defense is rock solid and Iran can only impotenly shoot bottle rockets in their direction

>>63947041

>>63947053
Good job, have a shekel

>>63947079
how fitting for a /pol/tard to also be a newfag
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/statistics/countries/

>>63947079
>falling for a fake meme pic

>>63946957 (OP)
>Light damage to 5 military bases based on satellite photos. Heavy damage to Haifa oil refinery, hospital, and University research building. All other damage were civilian dwellings or businesses.
Wow it's fucking nothing
/pol/ was acting like all of Tel Aviv and Haifa were getting turned into rubble

>>63947020
>>63947017
Why are you shills so bad at your jobs? Isnt the whole idea to "blend", you stick out like a sore thumb. I hope your supervisors see this and you get fired. They need to recruit better shills.

>>63947101
You’re way too paranoid and defensive

>>63947105
Youve been exposed. Move on.

>>63947083
>what are meme flags

>>63947119
it's the same page you posted just not edited retard

>>63946971
>Thoughts?
Kys
TMD

>>63947042
I believe current consumption estimates are about 50% of Iranian BM stockpiles vs about 20-25% of interceptor systems. Keep in mind it took Iran something like 20 years to build those stockpiles, while the production level for interceptors has been "enough to replace aging/test fires and keep the production line from stoppping completely" for a decade. Now that there's a stockpile to refill production will ramp up. The same can't be said for Iranian missiles. What's even more damaging is the loss of BM launch systems, which is why the missile strikes went from 100+ to single digits within a week.
Tldr: No, it's not a sustainable strategy.

>>63946957 (OP)
>Iranian missile fire rate decreased drastically by day 5, Israeli interception rates began decrease by day 8 dropping to 80% effectiveness by day 12

Why the drop? Fatigue setting after nearly two weeks of continuous action or were they actually running out?

>>63946971
>Why do you mention how much Iran spent, but not how much Israel spent?

Because that's literally not in the article you brown dingus. Israel will not publicly share how many interceptors they fired.

>>63947033

That most definitively would have provoked an American-led bombing campaign against Iran, which would have been 100 times more devastating than what Israel inflicted on them because the United States Air Force has

>more planes
>longer-ranged planes
>bigger payload planes
>more bombs
>even more willingness to kill civilians with alarming regularity

>>63946957 (OP)
>Muh Jooz
>Muh Interceptors
>Muh shekels
>Muh mossad HQ
My brown cousins, sons of Ishmael. we literally cant discuss anything in peace without every thread being derailed.

>>63947266
oy vey, why won't the goyim let us drag them into wars in peace! Don't they know how we've suffered?

>>63947274
yeah, anyway
>>63947259
>Why the drop?
the IAF was actively hunting for the TELs and hitting the missile bases. those underground missile cities were a good idea in theory. in practice it puts too many eggs in a single basket, hitting the entrances disables them even if temporarily

>>63947015
>acting like your theocracy is any better than the Iranian theocracy.
Well, the Jewish People are literally Chosen by God as God's children. That's pretty top tier, brah.

>>63947259
> Why the drop? Fatigue setting after nearly two weeks of continuous action or were they actually running out?

Lower interceptor stocks and Iran resorting to use more of their better missiles are the leading theories

Muslim posters ITT need to stop freaking out fyi we’re trying to have a rational discussion

>>63946971
>>63947015
>>63947101
>Instant lefty/pol/ screeching
Why are they like this?

>>63947259
>Why the drop?
The IAF airstrikes hit a bunch of their missile stocks, and at least 1/3 of their mobile launchers for the MRBM were visually confirmed hit. That alone would limit how many missiles they could theoretically fire. Even more when you consider that tactical adaptations the Iranians were forced to make to avoid getting detected and hit more by the IAF probably limited how freely they could fire and re-load their TELs. There's a reason that Perun's second video on the war had a big section on "invest more in air-defenses you fuckwits".

I think both sides reached a ceasefire because they were both starting to run low on readily available stock. Plus, Iran was getting worried that Khameinei was going to get killed/lose control to a coup (even one thinking they're acting on his wishes.)
Both countries are in a bad position: Israel has every set of eyes on it to criticize anything done and they're already facing a huge bill for an ongoing war, meaning they had to act restrained or else they faced risks of others joining a fight against them.
Iran has no allies that will actually help them and their proxies failed, "neutral" countries were intercepting the drones flying through their airspace. So a chunk of their attacks never even entered their enemy's airspace.

>>63947360
Pls Abe, stop. Its embarrassing.

>>63946960
You're very much forgetting the fact that ballistic missiles are much, much faster than lawnmower drones.
As the iranian response must be made immediate (for the sake of negotiations & future posturing), it had to be launched as a part of the initial wave.
One could argue that an early wave of small advanced missiles, followed by interceptor drones, THEN followed by the rest of the missile stockpile, would've maximized damage, however:
- the initial wave of missiles would allow israeli defenses to profile patterns for better AD interception
- iranian intelligence was so compromised that it's hard to imagine israel not having intelligence on the number of missiles remaining, meaning they can always reserve interceptors specifically for the missiles
- given how compromised the iranian intelligence is, it's extremely likely that israel also knew the location of the launchers even when they were on the move (they certainly knew the location of the top military brass), as such iran may have been in a "use it or lose it, they either blow up over israel or at home" situation
- israel still looked like gaza at the end of all this, money well spent desu
No, the real question isn't the deployment of assets, it's what assets were deployed to begin with.
With the obsolescence of ballistic missiles on the part of Iran as well as the implicit allowance of mechanical terrorism on the part of israel, iran should really, really look into infiltration of israel proper. 4~13 billion dollars worth of missiles, while having secondary effects such as enabling ICBM programs, has proven to be godawful spending in glassing israel.
I propose that the iranian state should instead spend its efforts infiltrating and setting up drone factories in israel, keeping a stockpile within israel for use against israelis.
How a country so compromised in its intelligence can conduct this kind of operation is another thing, but surely 14 billions can make bigger booms that what we got.

>>63947886
That was the OG plan, the whole "ring of fire" thing.
Hezbollah in Lebanon.
Shia militias in Syria and Iraq.
Houthis in Yemen.
Gaza.
And they even started fucking around with Jordan.
The issue was that this whole thing was orchestrated by mostly a single man, Soleimani was very skilled, and his loss was a strong blow to the whole project.
Second, When Sinwar yolo'd his way in to Israel on the 7th of October he fully expected everyone else to join in. he only forgot to actually TELL anyone about what he was doing. so all he got was a "supporting" action, mainly from Hezbollah. it would seem that Iran and its proxies totally misread reality. they just couldnt believe Israel would go all in, which basically let Israel take on each part piece meal.
I think whats most surprising is that the Iraqi branch has been very quite these past few years, considering the amounts of funding poured in to them they did fuck'all.

>>63946972
>There were no cheap short range missiles that could reach Israel. It wasn’t a viable strategy.
it was when Hezbollah still existed

>>63947954
Hezbollah/Iran were so compromised by Mossad that if they knew about October 7th it would have tipped off Israel.

That and Iran didn’t want an October 7th style event. For all of irans bluster they’re very passive and eager to avoid direct conflict. Hence their tendency to do symbolic retaliation where they warn the target in advance

>>63947959
Well yeah but that opportunity flew out the window with the pagers and fall of Assad double KO

>>63947466
>I think both sides reached a ceasefire because they were both starting to run low on readily available stock.
Honestly that's always been the most probable outcome of a direct Iran/Israel fight. They're 1000 kilometers away from each other and neither has expeditionary capacity, and can only hit each other with comparatively limited stocks of high end systems (ballistic missiles or high end aircraft). Unless you open up a can of sunshine into the mix, this means a slap fight that had to peter out after awhile.

It just turned out to be an excessively one sided slap fight in Israel's favor.

>>63947360
NTA but the IDF shilling here is pretty blatantly obvious and most of /k/ doesn't like Israel. The mentally ill pedophile Anne Frank poster is probably the only genuinely pro-Israel /k/ poster. The rest are either neutral and just want to see good footage (which thus far has been boring and lame) or actively despise Israel because of the USS Liberty and GWOT.

>>63947259
>Pedophile retard here
>Let me correct your gross misconceptions with even more blatantly retarded misconceptions

Like clockwork

>>63948036
how is discussing the publicly available info about the cost and count of Iran’s missiles shot mean it’s a shill thread? If you disagree with the assessment present your own evidence

>>63946957 (OP)
Speaking of drones.
Was there any footage of lasers being used to shoot down Iranian wunderwaffe? Or was Iron Bean from a year ago just larp?

>>63947886

One can only imagine the amount of damage these two could have inflicted on each other if either of them had bothered to invest in strategic bombers and cruise missiles.

>>63948045
>brown
>seething

Like clockwork

>>63947980
>That and Iran didn’t want an October 7th style event.
I think they mostly didn't want one of their proxies kicking things off without coordinating with the rest of the Axis of Resistance, resulting in successive defeat in detail. I think the dream scenario was Hamas and Hezbollah both launching surprise attacks on a complacent Israel, while Iran and the Houthis support those efforts with drone and ballistic missile attacks from afar. Though as you mentioned, Mossad would have likely sniffed out such plans if they involved Iran and all their proxies. And Iran has generally shown pretty unremarkable ability to coordinate with their proxies throughout this crisis.

>>63948036
Go cry to the UN about it nobody here cares

>>63946960
>The optimal strategy would have been to deplete interceptors by firing the junk first, then the advanced stuff later.
That assumes the Iranians would be able to conduct a missile campaign at their leisure.

>>63948182
Hey, you learned to not mass reply anymore! Good job!

>>63948412
Uh oh someone send this Islamophobia to CAIR right away

>>63948412

>>63948412
how many of the (you)s in the screenshot are yours?

>>63948546
Hey you found a new picture to spam, good job! Now if only that would stop the guys on the left from slam dunking anti tank mines onto the guys on the right.

>>63948601
I'm not him.
The mutants on the left are being slaughtered by the tens of thousands while you sit and cheer at their pitiful attempts at "resistance" from your crusty chair an ocean away.

>>63948622
Yes, I sit and cheer as incredibly brave fighters fight for their right to existence against a genocidal occupying force that has siphoned away TRILLIONS of my tax dollars and thousands of my fellow countryman's lives in efforts to preserve their muttified ethnostate. Thank you for the compliment.

>>63946957 (OP)
btw i pulled up the first base on sentinel hub
camp tziporit, which houses part of masha 7000. the unit does repair, modification, overhaul and fabrication of vehicles including tanks. afaik there is a tank assembly line there in the main facility in the base.

if it was hit i saw two potential impacts
one on an outdoor storage yard
the other i'm less confident about if it was hit but it's a hangar
considering how narrow the garage doors on it and the trucks around it(from street view from a road nearby), it is probably a truck maintenance depot.
the main facility in the camp was visibly unscathed

i might tomorrow go over the rest and make a post with pictures

>>63948679
You're so high on kebab farts you've begun to hallucinate.

>>63948730
>Redditjak
I accept your seethe and concession.

>>63948679
I genuinely feel bad for you muslims that are first gen living in the west
you have so much impotent hatred and clearly do not belong. you should go back to wherever the fuck

>>63948622
Nobody cares who you are or what you're about. You're alone in a desert and that's it.

>>63948730
That's some Screamers shit

>>63946957 (OP)
I would like to see how much the US and allies spent on resupplying and intercepting missiles themself defending Israeli air space. I would also like to include the cost of the absolutely massive redeployment of assets across the world to support them. No one ever seems to know. It's impossible to calculate. There are no definitive numbers. I think that's by design.

>>63948601
>>63948679

>>63946957 (OP)
bump

>>63947886
>israel still looked like gaza at the end of all this, money well spent desu
I live in Tel Aviv and have not noticed any destroyed buildings, there was one close that blasted 1km from me during the war, I didn't visit the wreckage lol, obviously Ramat Gan got quite a few but Iranian chimpouts against dozens of Israeli Residential apartments literally did 0 strategic damage.
When I visit my Mom in Rehovot I saw that one of the big universities got hit pretty bad, only destroyed building I've visited so far

>>63946957 (OP)
I'd rather see OSU vs Iran on the football field tbqh

>>63948914
It was a gazillion dollars and three fitty cents give or take.

>>63948679
>TRILLIONS
Iirc it's not even hundreds of billions.

>>63948680
i was too lazy to do all of that
BUT after reviewing more sat footage from sentinel 2
>tzipora
might had an impact on a vehicle maintenance depot
almost definitely a hit in just outside its fence tho
>glilot
i didn't bother because the pictures of the aftermath are public - a warehouse belonging to the logistics corps was hit
>irtah
or its actual name, sha'ar efraim i couldn't spot any hits at all
>tel nof
i noticed several spots that could be hits
but none of them were close to the base military infrastructure
they were in the housing area inside the base
>beit nehemia
or it's actual name
camp ben ami
the structure at the north eastern edge of the base suffered a definite direct hit
no idea what purpose it served
from apple maps street view i could only see that there were several really old trucks near it
it's obscured well by trees

>>63953766
>not even hundreds of billions.
Oh, well that makes it way better.

>>63948679
Lose less wars + cry to the UN

>>63948679
>muh genocide
How is this, by any definition, a genocide?
>There are 14 million Palestinians in the world.
>2 million of them live in Gaza.
>2 million of them live in Israel with citizenship. >We have no idea how many people have died in Gaza, but assuming the Hamas run ministry’s numbers are accurate, there have been 50,000 deaths
>This is less than 1/3 of one percent of the total Palestinian population
>It is likely that at least 50% of those deaths are Hamas militant fighters.
Find me any other examples of genocide with numbers that look anything like this. Twice as many Ukrainians have died at the hands of Russia in the same time frame.
Find me any genocide where the perpetrator were running polio vaccination campaigns?
https://www.who.int/news/item/04-09-2024-first-phase-of-polio-campaign-concludes-successfully-in-gaza
>muh ethnostate
Israel is 20% Arab and 25% non-Jewish. Now show me the population distributions of non-Muslims throughout every other country in the Middle East.
>inb4 kike
>inb4 jidf

>>63956009
>Israel is 20% Arab and 25% non-Jewish
So you're saying that over the past 80 years jews have displaced 75% of the population within the borders of the state of Israel?

>>63956022
Jews lived in Gush Ezion, Hebron, Jerusalem, and Tiberus alongside Druze and Catholic and Coptic Christians for centuries before the British Mandate.
After, the land expert representing the Jewish Agency before the Shaw Commission of 1929 claimed that 90% of lands bought up to that time came from absentee landlords. During the 1930s the proportion fell to 80%. In the last decade of the mandate they were about 73%." Further, the British prohibition on land ownership by Jews in Palestine east of the Jordan River served to concentrate and thereby intensify the effect of land purchases by Jews in Palestine west of the Jordan River. (Abraham Granovsky, Land Policy in Palestine, (New York: Bloch Publishing Company) 1940, pp. 3, 17ff.)
Take it up with the landlords who sold the land and the Ottomans. You don't get to start a war, try to kill everyone after ethnically cleansing them from their homes throughout the Middle East, then lose and try to establish conditions for peace a 80 years later.
Decline of Jewish population:
Afghanistan 1948: 5,000 2019: 1
Iran 1948: 100,000 2016: ~9,800
Iraq 1948: 150,000 2017: 10
Tunisia 1948: 105,000 2017: 1,700
Algeria 1948: 140,000 2017: ~50
Libya 1948: 38,000 2019: 0
Lebanon 1948: 24,000 2017: 100
Egypt 1948: 75,000 2017: 20
Syria 1948: 30,000 2017: 100
Morocco 1948: 265,000 2017: 2,000
Bahrain 1948: 1,500 2018: ~35
Yemen 1948: 64,000 2017: 50
Oman 1948: 5,000 2019: 0
Pakistan 1948: 2,000 2017: 745 Families https://x.com/stats_feed/status/1712437145716019707
Fun fact: The original PLO charter in 1964 said the West Bank belongs to Jordan and Gaza belongs to Egypt. I will take your whining about occupation seriously the moment anyone starts advocating for Germany to get East Prussia back or Austria to get South Tyrol back.

>>63956038
>I will take your whining about occupation seriously the moment anyone starts advocating for Germany to get East Prussia back or Austria to get South Tyrol back.
>anyone
That means one person is enough.
And while both I and you (a dishonest hooknose) know that there are certainly more than one person, and probably clubs, which I am too lazy to look up now, I will now declare that I am absolutely for Germany getting its eastern part back (incl. Koenigsberg), and for South Tyrol to go back to Austria (though that is a bit more complicated than the german case).
So yeah, you now have *anyone* satisfying your stipulation.
Let's see what dishonesty, subterfuge, deflection and pilpul you come up with now.

>>63956038
>Decline of Jewish population:
>Afghanistan 1948: 5,000 2019: 1
>Iran 1948: 100,000 2016: ~9,800
>Iraq 1948: 150,000 2017: 10
>Tunisia 1948: 105,000 2017: 1,700
>Algeria 1948: 140,000 2017: ~50
>Libya 1948: 38,000 2019: 0
>Lebanon 1948: 24,000 2017: 100
>Egypt 1948: 75,000 2017: 20
>Syria 1948: 30,000 2017: 100
>Morocco 1948: 265,000 2017: 2,000
>Bahrain 1948: 1,500 2018: ~35
>Yemen 1948: 64,000 2017: 50
>Oman 1948: 5,000 2019: 0
>Pakistan 1948: 2,000 2017: 745 Families https://x.com/stats_feed/status/1712437145716019707

It's pretty funny listening to /pol/tards go "kicking out the Jews will solve all of our problems" meanwhile all of these countries essentially became Jew-free and they're objectively worse places to live now than 80 years ago (with exceptions of Pakistan, Bahrain, Tunisia, and Morocco, which only began to experience serious improvement decades after the Jews left, usually after cultivating better ties with the "Jew-run" West)

>>63956009
I don't think you're allowed to use diaspora population numbers when you depopulate a region. You aren't allowed to use we wuzzers from all over the globe, that's disingenuous as fuck.
If it's a "Gaza genocide" you have to refute it with Gaza numbers. So it's a low percentage (1-3%?) of the total.

>>63946960
>he thinks there's advanced stuff

>>63960762
I mean jokes aside, the issue for Iran is that any ballistic Missile that can hit Israel from Iran more or less counts as "the advanced stuff" automatically. There's cheaper options like drones/budget cruise missiles, but those can be intercepted by Iron Dome. Which doesn't stress the ammo stocks of the really expensive arrow anti-ballistic missiles. It was bassically a game of "our wealthier enemies will run out of multi-million dollar interceptors before we run out of multi-million dollar missiles".

>>63946957 (OP)
>Unknown number of Israeli AD interceptors fired, but 36 missiles impacted inside Israeli populated areas giving Israeli m
I ve seen more videos than that durying the days that came by.
>but 1 intercepted or fell in other countries.
Seen 2 sneedheads impacting israel

>>63947886
Seems very unlikely that Iran could do something as complex as producing stockpiles of drones within Israel proper. The Iranian state is more on the ropes than you give them credit for, imo they benefit greatly from being very far away from any large cohesive western allied state (inb4 iraq shills) and the huge distance between them and Israel is the greatest defense they have. Without it there might not be an Iran by now.

ERA

>>63958271
>doesn't even acknowledge what proportion of those deaths is Hamas militants
Post hand and outlet, turdie
>If it's a "Gaza genocide"
Remind me, does the definition of genocide focus on ethnic identity or location? When America firebombed Tokyo, was it a Tokyo genocide? That's not how anyone is framing it, they're called Palestinians.
>>63956933
Try not to start wars and lose next time, I guess? Go cry to the BBC about it.

>>63947954
>they just couldnt believe Israel would go all in, which basically let Israel take on each part piece meal

The miscalculation was the attack type and the global geopolitical moves going on, hezbollah and hamas hav been fucking israel for decades but in every case israel cucked out because fighting against a guerrilla like in lebanon 2006 or worse in gaza would be too hard without civilian casualties and infrastructure destruction.

But israel went on a psychotic murderous rage on october 8 the day after the attacks, the kind of insanity of a husband finding his wife fucking a dude and murdering them both.

For a start most international pressure mostly from eurofags was "they send toy rockets at you and you bomb them with f16 and it's unfair" that went to shit when hamas fought on ground level and acted like total psychos.

Worse israel was forced to cuck out mostly due to eurofag pressure previous wars and this one happened while social democrat leftists eurofags are goreposting vatniks being blown out and zooming on their faces as they die and the third wordist kind of leftists were razing a city like bakhmut to the ground and calling it a liberation.

To say hamas miscalculated is not giving enough credit to sinwar retardation, clearly the brain tumor of a decade before still fucked his brain enough to think israel would do a trade for hostages.

Israel went on a righteous murderous rage specially because every force that tried to force them to moderate for years (democrats in usa, socdems in europe and third worldist vatniks) had been acting like animals during october 7.

And Israel has been fighting this war on all fronts on the same level,look at lebanon border ?Hez ambushes? What ambushes those towns were blown up before the idf ground forces even arrived.

To think israel would fight this war under current global conditions after such type o an attack has been the biggest miscalculation in the middle east geopolitcal game in decades.

>>63963466
>To say hamas miscalculated is not giving enough credit to sinwar retardation, clearly the brain tumor of a decade before still fucked his brain enough to think israel would do a trade for hostages.
I think a lot of that stems from Hamas being sorta like a local crime syndicate that just grew too big for its local crime syndicate activities to reasonably scale with it (like for profit murder/kidnapping. Compounded further by being emboldened for being part of a geopolitical paramilitary alliance, but not to do anything of much real strategic use for that alliance. Kind of like a violent street gang taking over one of New York Cities boroughs (but only one of them), then getting the delusions of granduer to start having a militarized foreign policy because they thought French sepratist Quebec had their back. Then getting surprised when they discover that they CAN in fact piss off the rest of New York State enough to start demolishing their asses block by block.

A lot of their behavior makes more sense in that context. Albeit made worse due to inbred jihadi retardation.

>>63948939
>>63948730
>>63948622
>>63948546
>>63948137
t. creatures of estados unidos who dropped out of college due to too much 'jak posting but insist they're better than you

>>63947083
>>63947093
America and Israel are two sides of the same shekel. They have the #2 and #1 most jews in the world respectively. That explains the rampant BBC posting.

>>63947298
God's chosen ones killed God's chosen son. Chosen for destruction, sure.

>>63948939
>Jewish world: Hungry man and Dinner

>>63947259
>even more willingness to kill civilians with alarming regularity
The US is not even 1% as bloodthirsty as the jews.

>>63963466
Yeah and then Israel murdered about 60k civilians which caused them to blow through most of the post-WW2 goodwill they had in the west. At this point zionism is basically regarded the same way as neo-nazism and only the most braindead self-effacing evangelical cuckolds still support them.

>>63967210
>>63967248
>>63967290
>>63967191
Go cry to the UN nobody cares

>>63967290
>At this point zionism is basically regarded the same way as neo-nazism and only the most braindead self-effacing evangelical cuckolds still support them.
Nope.

Most people simply do not care.

>>63965366
it's probably that gaza had too much pop growth and they could not do good government and jihadism larpism at the same time, i mean ffs their economy was donkey powered before the war.

Clearly they tough the war would end in an hostage trade favorable to them and make gazan pop ignore decaying conditions due to growing pop and lack of infrastructure.

>>63967290
>Yeah and then Israel murdered about 60k civilians which caused them to blow through most of the post-WW2 goodwill they had in the west.

What post ww2 goodwill?Israel literally had to steal it's navy to prepare for the 1973 war

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherbourg_Project

they also had like 35% of gdp spending on defense due to multiple nations in the west embargoes in the 70s

>>63947466
Israel would have kept going, but bibi didn't want to risk completely alienating trump

>>63947101
Shills? We do this for free, I originally kinda liked them because of how much tenacity they showed when soloing not-Middle East Coalition in the 40s back when I still believed in "le underdog", but after finding out most people bashing them are leftoids and helmetards and having the displeasure of interacting with ragheads supporting fundamentalist islam here at 4chan Israel has my thumbs up simply because it pisses you off, they are the biggest troll entity in the history of modern geopolitics against all the groups a classic liberal dislikes.
Also Negev, I don't even think it was intentional yet chinks somehow managed to give a western aligned country a top online pet/waifu, maybe they had a deal with all the illegal tech transfer or something? :P

I'm not convinced that measuring Iran's ability to make missiles in dollars makes any sense at all. Iran is a pariah state, what it cost to launch those missiles can only be assessed in that context, like Iranian man hours or something. It's the same with North Korea, how the fuck do you tell how much a missile made in North Korea by North Koreans actually costs? Slapping a US price tag on it is retarded since they don't trade.

>>63967883
Wait, Negev-chan was originally a lame chinky attempt at glavset? Like their anti-US posters which only made the US look cool?

>>63968085
She's a gacha character from Girl's Frontline

>>63967248
>The US is not even 1% as bloodthirsty as the jews.


I have yet to hear of Israelis traveling to the other side of the planet to massacre rice farmers on flimsy geopolitical theories named after a pizzeria chain.

>>63961109
You have to understand that Iran was rapidly losing air dominance and their launchers were being actively targeted. If they didn't launch their ballistic missiles ASAP, the missiles would be destroyed on the ground, or buried in their storage bunkers, or unable to be mounted on launchers.

>>63946957 (OP)
>OSU
love the beavers.

Imagine a world where the US didn't pump infinite missiles into Israel and schlomo actually had to pick up a gun instead of sit inside posting low quality hasbara here.

>>63947042
>and how much of Israel's defensive stockpile was spent.
They clamp down hard on details like that so nobody gets any funny ideas if they run a little low.

>>63948601
>so what we got out entire country bombed to dust (to the point where we’ll call it a genocide) and command structure annihilated
>we took out a handful of tanks over multiple years!
The mind of the thirdie is an enigma. You admit to yourself hundreds or thousands of you (including civilians, lmao) are equal to 1 or 2 jews?

>>63968734
>p-please stop bombing us from afar and fight like a man
Lol

>>63968734
>Imagine a world where the US didn't pump infinite missiles into Israel and schlomo actually had to pick up a gun instead of sit inside posting low quality hasbara here.

The Schlomo has pounded your asses on the ground every single time Achmed

>>63967661
>>63967652
No one cared about the Nazis either, to a point. How are those arrest warrants working out bibi?

>>63969394
At least Israel didnt destroy your forced trooning center eh?

>>63969394
>How are those arrest warrants working out bibi?

U N A R R E S T E D
U N D E F E A T E D

>>63969402
Why destroy their hard work?

>>63969410
Under house arrest, he'll be stuck in his sandbox while he gets pelted by BMs

>>63967790
>and they could not do good government and jihadism larpism
I think the problem is the jihad larp is bad government from a humanitarian/humanist perspective in terms of improving the overall polity you rule. But to some extent its potentially "good" in terms of pragmatically rewarding key supporters who enable your rule. For Hamas, that was probably a bunch of specific gaza families/clans providing them with the core of their reliable enforcers/officers...who had a lot of relatives in Israeli prison on terror charges. So Hamas has a powerful incentive to engage in hostage taking to facilitate prisoner exchanges to maintain their legitimacy. The problem is that there's a limit to how large you can scale up a hostage racket before it stops working on account of pissing everybody off. Especially when you carry it out as a mass murder blood vendetta than anything particularly "professional".

What's likely frustrating for Iran and the (surviving) Axis of Resistance is that there's a lot more strategically useful shit Hamas could have tried to do on oct 7th. Like bypassing civillian settlements and music festivals to make a beeline suicide rush towards important shit Israeli airbases and Iron Dome batteries. But ultimately for Hamas getting the idiot grand kids of "Abdullah from department of throwing homosexuals off roof tops" out of Israeli prison was the main priority.

>>63969483
>The problem is that there's a limit to how large you can scale up a hostage racket before it stops working on account of pissing everybody off

It's clear that the original israel offensive on the netzarim corridor / northern gaza was rushed by netanyahu because he knew israeli society which had cucked on 1 soldier for 1000 terrorists deals in the past may do again if the offensive was delayed too much hence the war was basically forced on Israel.

But the original battle strategy used in northern gaza vs totally flatening everything in khan yunis and raffah is clearly a different strategy, something happened there behind the scenes, maybe israel was not sure they could take hezzbollah so easy so they decided to do scorched earth strategy in southern gaza in case they were forced to move more troops to the north.

>What's likely frustrating for Iran and the (surviving) Axis of Resistance is that there's a lot more strategically useful shit Hamas could have tried to do on oct 7th

They could have rushed to Dimona and reached the place, i don't think hamas would have expected such level of success on the 50th anniversary of the yom kippur war, if they have not send drugged jihadists that could not read maps to raid civilian settlements they could have actually do serious political damage for israel as i can imagine the shitshow of a place like dimona being raided would have caused internationally, i mean it's the original reason why the usa was ok with israel destroying the syrian nuclear reactor located in the most backward jihadist region shithole of syria.

I don't think that hamas expected such success against military targets and i also don't think they expected their retards to act like such drugged up psychos i mean i saw videos of those lunatics chopping hands, shooting at bedouins in bus stops for kibbutz locations because they could not read maps and worse shit, clearly they expected the most psycho and retarded first wave of attackers to die

>>63947423
>only one big boom
They hit a bunch of random Lorries, didn't they?

>>63971540
Yes (Iran's rate of fire dropped off as a good will gesture)

>>63947053
Yeah.

>>63955351
> lol I was intentionally disingenuous but it doesn’t matter because I don’t understand math.

for a ~90% pk, they'd need to use at least 2 terminal or exo-atmospheric interceptors per missile. that's thaad, arrow 2, arrow 3, and sm-3.

going by exchanges, israel (america) would have spent more on missiles alone.

>>63946960
watching the videos, they seemed to have fired mostly older purely ballistic missiles with some maneuverable hypersonic (marvs and maybe gliders) ones in with them. the latter are what you mostly see hit in videos, as their impact velocity exceeds that of the older purely ballistic ones.

they obviously don't have that many of the newer missiles with marvs/gliders. they should probably focus on building these.

>>63948137
>bic pen

>>63946957 (OP)
What about IDF figures for missiles and bombs?

Do they buy most or does a lot of it come from military aid packages?

>>63969410
Israeli PMs have went to prison for a lot less kek, this guy is never seeing sunlight ever against once this is over and one with in two weeks

>>63948137
Hey, I recognize you! It's the neo-confederate zionist larper that finds himself in every single with a fart's mention of Israel! neat!