Thread 63950442

GCAP will be the ONLY 6th generation fighter.

>FCAS is in SHAMBLES
>F-47 is being made by >Boeing
>F/A-XX is CANCELLED
>J-36 is a triple engined abomination

How did it come to this?

>>63950442 (OP)
>6th gen
>tails
*Laughs in mandarin

>>63950461
Why are you so scared of it Chang?

>>63950442 (OP)
>>J-36 is a triple engined abomination
J-50 exists

>>63950471
Nobody cares.

>>63950466
>Why are you so scared of it Chang?
Because they're not? Also, Japan is already considering leaving the consortium due to rampant delays and workshare issues.

>>63950507
https://xcancel.com/frdr007/
Excellent source, wumao.

>>63950442 (OP)
How us the amount of engine affects the generational designation of a particular jet?

Afaik 6th gen aircraft is determined by its AI processing capability which helps with wingman authrority and control and simultaneous target engagement, on top of 5th gen capability like stealth and powerful radar

>>63950507
Sounds unlikely for them to cancel it. Airplane and jet engine manufacturers are becoming rare af and are one of the few key leading edge industries the west has left. The UK also has enough money to cooperate with Germany for some projects which probably won’t be cheap either and more F-35 orders too.

>>63950543
This is the most ESL post I have had the misfortune of reading.

>>63950555
now post the J-20 pasta

>>63950461
>laughs in chinesium engines that needs 3 of them just to power the aircraft

>>63950566
nta but here ya go, kiddo

>>63950442 (OP)
It fits that the countries that made the best planes in WWII will make the best planes in WWIII.

>>63950442 (OP)
where is gcap?
oh yes at the same level as fcas
on a file on a compute

>f47 pipedream made by boeing which will cost 10 times the actual budget
>faxx will probably be replaced by f55
>j36 nigga dont pretend to know why they have 3 engines or not at least its there its flying it exists

>>63950957
>oh yes at the same level as fcas
>on a file on a compute
Nope. The demonstrator airframe is already being manufactured

>>63950507
>UK financial crisis
Do you realize Japan could fund the entire program by itself is the need arose?

>>63950957
>oh yes at the same level as fcas
Not really considering a joint venture for the GCAP was just established
>https://theaviationist.com/2025/06/24/gcap-partners-announce-edgewing-joint-venture/
with the go ahead of the governing bodies to go ahead. They have now entered full development for the flying prototype.
Meanwhile the Dassault CEO had to admit that the FCAS is basically stuck and they won't have a flying prototype before 2050
>https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2025/04/11/dassault-ceo-strikes-dark-tone-on-europes-sixth-gen-fighter-progress/

>>63950971
how different are demonstrators from the end product? I would hate for the GCAP to look like the latest renders.

>>63950971
>structural bulkheads
the 1930s called, they want their engineering methods back

>>63951296
Anon, building a combat aircraft isn't the same as building an airliner

>>63951104
Maybe if it's 30 years ago.

>>63951335
anon, monocoque designs come out much lighter and with far more internal space for the systems guys to play with
survivability is also a concern of the past, pierced skin at supersonic speeds equals mission kill in all cases anyway

>>63951347
no, today my dear wumao

>>63951347
Japan has foreign exchange reserves of $1.3T as of June 2025.

GCAP program costs are estimated to be in the $80-120B range.

>>63951352
>much lighter
and less structurally sound for high G loads and reduced airframe lifespan.
>pierced skin at supersonic speeds equals mission kill in all cases anyway
Do you even know anything about military aviation?

>>63951373
>high G loads
lmao
F-35 is in active service with a 7 g limit in clean light config which translates to maybe 4g under full combat load
BVR isn't about turning on a dime anyway

>>63951373
>Do you even know anything
composite panels do very badly with cracks in them
aluminium can't deal with shear forces worth shit

>>63951379
>F-35 is in active service with a 7 g limit in clean light config which translates to maybe 4g under full combat load
why do you continue to talk about shit you know nothing about? The F-35 has a G limit of 9. The G limit with external stores (which are almost never used on the F-35) is dependant on the hardpoint and armament on board, not the airframe.

>>63951382
Why don't you write to Lockheed Martin? I'm sure they would love your expertise. I heard they are currently lacking armchair experts.

>>63951371
That's not how national budgets work retard

>>63951402
they don't hire whites anymore
>>63951398
>The F-35 has a G limit of 9
on paper. in reality they are limited to 7
in a general war, with their survivability measured in days anyway, they probably would get pushed further but otherwise, no

>>63951412
>on paper. in reality they are limited to 7
Care to show any evidence?

>>63951412
weird, cause one of the routine manouvers of the F-35 demo pilot is a low level 9 G turn. I've seen it in person 2 times and the announcer clearly stated 9 Gs.

>>63951414
my uncle works at Nintendo and he says you're a faggot
https://www.defencestreet.com/f-35a-vs-f-35b-vs-f-35c/

>>63951419
what is thrust vectoring

>>63951421
Huh.

>>63951425
>up to

>>63951424
>thrust vectoring
>F-35
Listen kid. I know it's summer and it's hot out but try to go outside.

>>63951426
yes, up to 9 Gs. Meaning it can reach 9 Gs. Are you an ESL?

>>63951427
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZgAPV5M5Es
I probably have socks older than you

>>63951430
yeah that's what I said
A variant can reach 9g at which point the lifetime of the airframe begins to be measured in tens of hours
B and C don't even try

>>63951411
No one said it was, but you tried saying Japan couldn't fund it alone, they very clearly can. And just because you don't NORMALLY dip into your foreign reserves doesn't mean it's something impossible for Japan to do.

GCAP represents less than 1/10th of that money and if push came to shove, they have the political will to fund GCAP alone if needed. Obviously they'd prefer not to hence working with the UK and Italy to ameliorate the burden.

>>63951432
You seriously think that is what thrust vectoring is? LMAO
>>63951434
>A variant can reach 9g at which point the lifetime of the airframe begins to be measured in tens of hours
Feel free to post any evidence for any of your claims, underaged third worlder.

>>63951424
>https://www.youtube.com/@f-35demoteam8/videos
the F-35 demo team uses the A variant.

>>63951434
>A variant can reach 9g at which point the lifetime of the airframe begins to be measured in tens of hours
Did the bugs wake up?

>vertical stabilizers
>6th gen

>>63951449
is this 6th gen?

>>63950461
>3 engines
>non articulating IWB doors
lmao

>>63951455
no

vertical stabilizers give a big radar return from the flanks, which goes against what 6th is.

>>63951462
>which goes against what 6th is.
There is no definition for "6th gen" it's a marketing term.

>>63951462
what is the definition of a 6th gen? Pure stealth? Then the B-2 and the B-21 are already 6th gen.

>>63951448
grrrrk grrrk
no I am just an underaged third worlder
any chitinous clicks you hear come from your underfloor crawlspace
and if this https://youtu.be/yeuHmnjxX0A?t=96 is a 9g turn I will eat my little hat (it isn't)

>>63951465
one of them is minimizing radar return in comparison to 5th gen (better stealth). if your flanks are really no different to a 5th (say a f-22), then there's no point.

>>63951467
Thing is they are building a fighter, not a bomber so manoeuvrability is more than just an afterthought.

>>63951466
>posts unrelated manouvre
Jeez kiddo. I know you are salty that your country will never produce even a turboprop. But you've been embarassing yourself left and right.

>>63951467
>one of them
exactly. One of them.

>>63951465
He's a chink, the only thing they have going for them is the dorito shape so they're trying to claim that it's the only real feature needed in a 6th gen. While ignoring that china can't even produce RAM paint or actual sensors and engines.

>>63950461

You don't need tails if you are so big that your control surfaces can be on the body of the plane.

Also 3 engines aren't great for stealth.

And being the size of a football field is also not too great for stealth.

>>63951440
>You seriously think that is what thrust vectoring is
that's literally what thrust vectoring is my brown friend

>>63951479
post a vid of a 9g turn then
HARDMODE CHALLENGE: no ARMA 3 footage

>>63951352
>monocoque designs come out much lighter and with far more internal space for the systems guys to play with
So why don't F-22, F-35 etc. have monocoque fuselages?
Their construction is exactly the same semi-monocoque configuration shown on GCAP
Nobody is building fighter jets only with stringers, longerons and stressed skin. They all have bulkheads

>>63951506
>why don't F-22
old design
>why don't F-35
combination of manufacturer incompetence and buyer conservatism (looking at you, muh reenz)

>>63951499
>be brown
>call others brown
Lmao. Kiddo, when I mentioned that F-35s can pull 9Gs you replied with
>what is thrust vectoring
So you either don't know what is thrust vectoring or you don't know what pulling 9Gs mean.
You are an underaged kid from a third world country like West Taiwan.

>>63951510
>combination of manufacturer incompetence and buyer conservatism
Any evidence? You're been spewing false and retarded shit all thread without even a crumb of evidence my yellow faced friend.

>>63951521
evidence of paths not taken? you have the aircraft in front of you, you can see for yourself
three braphogs, obsolete before they were prototyped

>>63951526
You don't even believe what you're typing, why would you expect anyone else to believe it?

>>63951526
Thanks for proving my point. Now go back to seething about WMAF

>>63950461
If the only thing separating 5th and 6th gens is tailless design then there is no 6th gen yet.

>>63951687
There's a massive advantage in RCS without tails, especially in the VHF range, which is why all the serious countries(China & America) are all going with tailless designs.

>>63951822
>china
Lmao

>>63951822
Europe doesn't need tailless designs because it'll just fight 3rd world powers like Russia that can't even handle the air defense over Ukraine, whilst even the F-35s Europe currently has can style all over their air defense in turn.

>>63952062
Stop being racist.

>>63950471
>>63950461
not a 6th gen, no amount of shilling on 4chan will change this.

>>63950442 (OP)
Can anyone tell me why this plane would be "6th gen"? It looks not much different from an F-35 and I doubt the countries making it can make it significantly better than the F-35 considering none of them have made a 5th gen plane to begin with.

>>63952289
Mostly the power generation target + local compute power/sensor fusion and drone wingmen.


An F-35 is very limited in power generation since it only has 1 engine and thus the computers/sensors onboard are limited by that total power generation capability.

>>63952340
>Mostly the power generation target + local compute power/sensor fusion and drone wingmen.
Hmm. Out of UK Italy Japan, none of these countries are a leader in AI, software or chip design. Out of them, only Japan can make semiconductor tools.
America has the advantage of silicon valley when it comes to this. European countries and Japan have been left out of the 4th industrial revolution.

>>63952349
Japan made a 5th gen demonstrator a decade ago, they just didn't think it was capable enough for the 2030s+ timeframe and decided to by F-35s while continuing development on their prototype, which eventually lead to getting involved in GCAP.

Beyond that, Japan made the fiber mesh the US used to create the original F-22 stealth coating.

The UK is also part of AUKUS which has AI development and technology sharing as one of the primary pillars (outside of the submarine agreement).

>>63952289
>why this plane would be "6th gen"?
It will kill chinx, the main defining trait of a 6th generation fighter.

>>63952374
my point still stands with italy. they will not be able to keep up and doom the project

>>63952462
Then I guess it's a good thing Italy isn't really involved in that aspect.

> Italy will lead in four domains: flight system integration, weapons integration, training integration.

> Italy will also lead in two activities for the mission system: weapons effect management system and the flight control system

They're also contributing with engines/airframe and are part of MBDA and thus will contribute to weapons development, but they're not leading any of those efforts, just contributing to them.

>>63952497
they won't be able to do either

>>63950442 (OP)
>FCAS is in SHAMBLES
What did frogs do now?

>>63952502
Lol okay


I guess they don't currently produce F-35 airframe parts or assemble F-35s either.

Not to mention, if they really do start falling behind, Japan will demand more of the workshare since they're on a tight 2035 timeline and see this as a hard requirement in the program.

Japan has more or less committed to continuing GCAP even if Italy and the UK were to drop out completely and Japan had to go it alone.

>>63952508
the same they always do. They want their partners to just be paypigs and keep 100% of the workshare in France.

>>63952509
even a monkey can assemble parts

>>63952513
how about manufacturing them?

> Alenia Aermacchi is a strategic co-supplier for the F-35's full wing-sets. They produce complete wings for F-35 aircraft, not only for those assembled in Italy but also for those assembled in the United States and other partner nations. This includes manufacturing composite and metal structures for these wings at their plants in Foggia, Nola, and Venegono.

>>63950442 (OP)
trvke

Reminder to all Chinese permacels that this is why your women prefer White men.

It's over for Japan

>>63950507
>Japanese government
>left wing
What the fuck is this guy talking about

>>63950442 (OP)
i remember in the 90's when even Italy had a bigger GDP than China. Now it's like all 3 added together is 1/2 of China

Japan can't build a rocket. Why would they be able to build a 6th gen fighter.

>>63952618
God how does that entire country not kill themselves from shame?

>>63952659
>>63952665
>>63952679
>Chink too afraid to confront Americans, goes after Japan
Reminds me of when vatniks were too afraid to confront Americans and went after the UK. How did it go for them?

>>63952693
Japs are too afraid to confront South Koreans

>>63951371
>80-120B for a 5.5-6th gen fighter program
who ever came up with those class D cost estimates deserve to have their professional certs stripped and nutsack stomped flat

>>63952694
Oh you're the chink who LARPs as a sork. Eat shit, the America-Japan-SK brotherhood will destroy the Three Gorges Dam in one volley when you act up.

>>63952694
Japan makes the strongest tanks and planes thoughbiet.

>>63952688
Do nips feel shame?

Gookshill/helmetard going hard today

>>63952714
>Japan makes the strongest tanks and planes thoughbiet.
Recently, China's domestically produced comac C919 passenger jet model has carried its 500 000th passenger. The first model was inducted last year, 9 models are now in service. This marks a significant milestone in China's commercial aviation industry.
did you know japan tried to build their own too but failed?
why china can build commercial jet but japanese can't?
look up mitsubishi spacejet
>development suspended
>As flight testing took longer than expected, the scheduled entry into service was further pushed back until development was first paused amid the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on aviation[2] and subsequently suspended indefinitely.[3]
oh no no no

>>63952724
huh?

>>63952715
>Chink propaganda
>Says camp instead of base because the thirdie mind cannot comprehend structures not made from tofu dregs
Hmmm I wonder if this is an actual sork or a chink? Hmmm...HMMMMM! Oh right it's a seething chink with a tiny penis and no women to reproduce with.

>>63952732
huh?

>>63952737
Not pictured: the J-15 right behind them
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/6/12/japan-protests-to-china-after-dangerous-moves-by-warplanes-over-pacific

>>63952724
So yes, you're a chink, glad you're done pretending to be a Korean. Tell me, when did Japan drop a rocket on a kindergarten? China has. When did Japanese jets fall out of the sky? Happens constantly in China. Keep your mouth shut and sew my Nikes, peasant.

>>63952746
Reminder Japs seethed at this kek

>>63952747
Because it's a crash hazard and nothing more. If crash prone planes were flying over my airspace I'd tell them to leave too.

>>63951398
the F14 is capable of pulled 10+G turns, doing so bends the airframe and the whole thing is a write off.
Iranians did it once IRL btw

>>63952752
>When did Japanese jets fall out of the sky?

>>63952747
>J-15

>>63952754
>Rashism
Lmfao, and Zelensky had to wait like a petulant child for handouts while Trump welcomed Japanese leaders and called Xi's dick small.

Reminder, China can struggle and protest but is owned by the US and if it ever angers the eagle it will be slapped with 200% tariffs. The US market will be fine, but China will collapse.

>>63952762
>Thing explodes during test
Yeah, this is fine, that's the point of testing
>Thing explodes and falls on Chinese school, killing an entire class of kindergartners
This is not fine. Spot the difference.

>>63952769
>while Trump welcomed Japanese leaders and called Xi's dick small.

>>63952767
>On runway
So it did not fall on a school and kill a bunch of kids? Plane accidents happen, but in China they are managed by an incompetent government who covers up the consequences.

Trump said: pay up, nips

>>63952775
>25%
Standard for Trump. How high were China's before Xi caved...? 150%?

>>63952781
>Xi caved
Name one concession

>>63952775
>The Indian Express

>>63952779
And how did it go for China?

>>63952788
>It's fake!
>Muh pajeets!
There's at least 20 different news sources nigger

>>63952795
https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/03/business/us-china-chip-software-curbs-lifted-intl-hnk

>>63952787
Dropping all tariffs on the US and negotiating a deal humiliating for China or else the tariffs come back and his economy can keep crashing. Read a paper that isn't in Chinese.

>>63952799
>CNN
Find a real source.

>>63952795
Trump: great deal with China. No deal with Japan.

>>63952340
F35 already has sensor fusion, and compute power if not that power hungry. Throwing in a few top of the line Nvidia GPU's would only add like 2kW of draw. Only radar and DEW are super power hungry

>>63952801
>Dropping all tariffs on the US
Wrong, Chinese tariffs on US are still at 10%, the way they were on April 2
>>63952807
https://www.reuters.com/world/china/chip-design-software-firms-rise-us-lifts-curbs-china-exports-2025-07-03/

>>63952804
>Resorts to seething at India cuz he has nothing left
I accept your concession

>>63952812
The F-35 doesn't really do any realtime AI compute which is the idea with 6th gen.

>>63952694
South koreans are jap slaves.

>>63952816
Saar i accept you concession saar. Do the needful

>>63952816
Anon, you posted "The Indian Express" as a source. There's no recovering from this, you're either Indian or some other variety of third worlder(brown).

It's a well known fact that only first worlders(white) like Japan can make good planes or achieve air superiority, so your opinions in this thread hold no value.

>>63952513
>>63952502
>>63952462
Did an italian steal your gf?

>>63952829
>Indian media isn't trustworthy
>But western fake news media is
Lol

>>63952829
Based and truthpilled. The poos after 40 years are still trying to make the tejas work. A fucking trainer.

>>63952813
And the US tariff is above 50% still, because China is a slave country and the US holds the leash.

https://www.china-briefing.com/news/us-china-tariff-rates-2025

>>63952840
The Tejas isn't close to 40 years old you fucking retarded nigger

>>63952809
>China hails the fact that Trump lowered the tariff from 10x Japan's rate (almost 250%) to twice Japan's rate (50%).
You will now deflect with some specific industry where Trump made an exception and you will pretend it is the norm.

>>63952846
>And the US tariff is above 50% still
Based on the amount of steel in the product. Misleading.

>>63952847
It quite literally is

>>63952852
>some specific industry where Trump made an exception
Electronics is China's largest export. I didn't even think about it but now that you mention it it's a pretty significant exemption.

Live from Japan, my favorite Japanese journalist

>fins
japs trying to steal chinese culture AGAIN

Man I didn't even realize. Trump just slapped tariffs on Japan and South Korea as this thread was going on. Pottery.

>>63952878
Stealing IS chinese culture

Is hapanda gonna have another melty? This is gonna end with his rape-fetish spam, again, isn't it?

>>63952883
Lol

Everyone notice how easy it was to make the "Korean" shill start passionately defending China? Divide and conquer, people, that's what they're trying to do.

>>63952890
>Hapanda
>Helmetard
>Sork
I'm new to /k/ actually and this board is an inbred schizofest
Only FF threads on /v/ spamming Barry and Nathan come close

>>63952883
everything was invented using Chinese paper and silk. The world was connected based on chinsese compass. There is no stealing just getting back what was rightfully ours.
in short anything that is
>based/conceptualized on/educated with written material
>using magnetic field
is rightfully chinese.
unfair? Too bad why didn't your ancestors invent paper and compass LMAO

>>63952894
>Divide and conquer, people, that's what they're trying to do.
Japs are now claiming China put Trump in charge of USA to wreck Japan US relations.
I guess this isn't even wrong due to tiktok, which Trump has rewarded by repeatedly defying the law to extend the deadline for its ban.

>>63952853
No it isn't and if it was it's still over 50%, as it should be for tofu dregs.

>>63952859
You did because you spammed links talking about it. And it's a temporary exception so the American market can adjust, a bit like finding another restaurant as the one you used to go to goes under. China is a dying country.

>>63952870
All trump had to do is do nothing and win. Instead he had to do things. Now xi wins by having done nothing.

>>63952870
>Random chinkshill
>Your favorite journalist

>>63952882
And guess how soon they go back up to 250% for China? ;)

>>63952906
>Seething this hard
Trump made a trade deal with China but not with Japan. Trump will also never ban tiktok and keep it alive against federal law.

>>63952890
Yep.

>>63952895
Post eye and time-stamped gun then.

>>63952912
>>Random chinkshill
Arin yumi is a Japanese right winger lol

>>63952915
No, I will keep posting here under different IPs though

>>63952898
Bwahahahahahaha. The hilarious part is that you avtually believe it

>>63952898
Oh so now the "Korean" shill admits to being a proud Chinese patriot!

>>63952901
Cool which Japs? And Trump is stealing tiktok from China lmao.

>>63952907
Trump already won, wumao.

>>63952913
>China bent the knee and did what we want
Yes. And it will continue getting fucked in the ass.

>>63952916
Ah yes much like the very trustworthy Mitt Romney is an "American Republican".

>>63952920
>I will ban evade like every subhuman bugman
We know.

Why is WMAF so common?

>>63952942
>Trump is stealing tiktok from China lmao.
2 more weeks (it's been 6 months)

>>63952942
>Trump already won, wumao
I hope he gets more of these kind of wins then

Only white countries are capable of air and naval superiority.

They don't have to listen to what browns say.

>>63952883
This. China cannot innovate. They have never produced a single original thing in their entire post confucianism history.

>>63950442 (OP)
>>F-47 is being made by >Boeing
It's being made by the McDonald part of Boeing, the good part.

>>63952949
>>63952953
>That time difference
You know you can just respond to two points in one post, right? Yes, I too enjoy seeing profitable IPs ripped from chink hands for once and seeing your fat Pooh Bear leader forced to bow and beg at the negotiating table, it's what you subhumans deserve. Remember, full capitulation of we break your economy and it won't cause more than a wobble in our stock market.

>>63952968
That's where you're wrong kiddo.
>gutter oil
>tofu dregs
>mobile Uighur oppression van
>assault rifles that keyhole

>we wuzzzz!!!!
the west has kikes on stick and corpses in the ground. Meanwhile
>

>>63953002
In English?

>>63952980
2 more weeks and Trump will find a buyer for tiktok instead of continuing to delay the ban

>>63952982
>keyhole
At ten feet, don't show the rape victim of Asia mercy

>>63953002
>We have a photoshopped picture of a fat man that we claim is winning as his country collapses
Chinese, Russians, brothers in spirit.

>>63953024
Either it is owned by us or it is banned, the timetable hasn't changed and the cutoff is still September 17. Done entirely for the sake of US users because China is powerless to do shit, even take the island off its coast.

>>63953029
>Chinese, Russians, brothers in spirit
They're also brothers genetically, as they were both raped by Mongols (coincidentally, Mongolia is the only other white country in Asia other than Japan).

>>63953040
>cutoff is still September 17
Used to be January 20

>>63953040
>septemter 17 20xx
so just 2 more weeks ?

>>63953043
>mongol
>country
hehehe

>>63953052
True, he didn't specify september 17 which year, so when trump delays the ban again he will say he meant 2026, than 2027 lol

>>63953064
I'd love to visit her country if you catch my drift.

>>63953043
Ming China nearly genocided Mongols out of existence after kicking them out
It's why Mongolia barely exists today and writes in Cyrillic (lol)

>>63953106
rapechang is back to spam another thread i see

>>63953120
I'm not the guy from /his/ although he is very based. He made me aware that Japs prostituted their women throughout history and even gave Sun Yat sen concubines.

>>63953106
What is it with Chinese and disrespecting their paternal ancestors?

>>63953051
Yeah and then a bunch of US businesses asked for more time. One extension was granted.
>>63953052
>>63953077
Keep coping, the deadline isn't getting any farther away. Either tiktok dies or it becomes ours. Either way, you lose.

>>63953136
>paternal ancestors
Most Mongols and their offspring were killed. Check a basic DNA cluster map.

>>63953106
>>63953134
Oh look Hapanda IS starting up the Chinese wiki spam. Reminder, China has lost every war it got into and Korea absolutely btfo the army that was earmarked for Taiwan, losses the CCP hasn't been able to make up for to this day.

>>63953151
Yeah and it says Genghis Khan raped all of you lmfao nice state history courses you have.

>>63953150
>One extension was granted.
January
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/20/technology/trump-tiktok-ban-delay-executive-order.html
April
https://variety.com/2025/digital/news/trump-tiktok-delays-ban-us-deal-1236355158/
June
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/06/further-extending-the-tiktok-enforcement-delay/

>>63953166
Genghis khan never conquered China. He didn't even defeat the northern barbarian kingdom of Jin. His grandson Kublai did.

>>63953168
Yeah he announced all of that in advance. Legal fuckery forced one big extension into multiple smaller ones. Cope and seethe, tiktok still belongs to us.

>>63953134
>T-Thats not me, I s-swear!!!
Yes it is faggot.
The thing about mental illness as strong as yours is that its impossible to hide even on anonymous image boards

>>63953173
Then why are the only Chinese "men" with a real t-count descended from him?

>>63953178
There's a reason why the word for "big brother" in Mandarin is from a Mongolic language, while ditching their native word for it, rarely using it ever.
This is some high level self cuckery, they were all awestruck by the big steppe bros.

>>63950442 (OP)
>How did it come to this?

>>63950507
>''Source?''
>Twitter

>>63951551
>>63951574
the late charge of the cope brigade

jannies on holiday?

>>63951371
that's not how finance works
the more important point in Japan's favour is that it has a 4 trillion GDP, and the JASDF is its most high-profile service arm, it deploys literally every day of the year to intercept Chinese aircraft

Cant wait for walls and walls of rape facts this chink mutt has saved to start flooding in

>>63953176
>Yeah he announced all of that in advance
Source?

>>63953214
You've been coping all thread tho

>>63953106
Posting this simple historical fact as generated a lot of seethe

>>63953259
>>63953106
not the chinkspammer but Ming vs Mongol is essentially the Hundred Years War but (Norman) England won

every dynasty after Song is as "true Chinese" as post-William Britain is "true Saxon"
"Han"ism is a political cope invented by the "Angevins" (Manchus) to unite their conquests
>British or French, we're all Normans mmkay, now bend the knee or lose the head

Reminder that Han, as a race, is a complete myth. Made up by the CCP to try and establish some form of national identity and was away centuries of victim hood and humiliation

>>63951120
just look at the VTOL demonstrators compared to the harrier

>>63953395
Oddly SC.1 is how most people now make VTOL aircraft. Gone is the single huge engine and back in come the dead weight lift engines.

>>63953320
>Reminder that Han, as a race, is a complete myth. Made up by the CCP
Can you tell me what the colors on this flag represent?

>>63953443
Sorry, I dont follow Chinese tranny flag lore

>>63953443
red for their periods
yellow for their pig ugly skin
blue for the sea they will never get to master
white for what they want to be
black for all the bbc porn they will spam seething they aren't white

>north: intermixed with five barbarians, turkic people, khitans, mongol conquest, jurchens/manchu conquest
>south: intermixed with aboriginals with totems and face tatoos, sinicizing them
yeah pure han was probably gone more than a millennium ago senpai.

>>63953454
Idiot
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Races_Under_One_Union

>>63953478
Dont care, didnt read

>>63953477
>North: intermixed with Huns, Mongol conquest, Russian rapes of 1945
>South: Islamic conquest of Spain, Ottoman conquest of the Balkans, intermixed with Arabs and Turks throughout Italy
>All: intermixed with mass migration circa 21st century
Pure Europeans disappeared long ago

>>63953489
nobody today pretends they're franks/goths/saxons, so why do you pretend that you're han

>>63953489
>>63953478
>>63953443
>>63953301
The hapa freak is back

>>63953489
nobody today pretends they're franks/goths/saxons/vikings, so why do you pretend that you're han

>>63953505
wrong

>>63953255
nah I'm fine
no horse in this race either
fuck you, fuck china, whatever

>>63953489
Tbf Sweden was never actually occupied by an invading army even once, Finland was when it was part of Sweden but that's about it

>>63953517
>>63953518
>Ban evading for the past 24 hours
>Doing it again in this thread
Youre not fooling anyone. Only you are deranged and worthless enough to spam this shit. Its obvious.

>>63953512
>nobody today pretends they're franks
What do "French" and "France" mean? Are you aware?

kek he doesn't know the difference, I ain't even giving a (You)

>>63953512
>nobody today pretends they're franks/goths/saxons/vikings
What does WASP stand for and why do so many people claim to be one?

>>63953535
wrong again
>63953301
was my 1st post here

and I disagree with >>63953443; one of those is a religion, not an ethnicity; and three of those are various flavours of chinese-mongol mix

>>63953512
>why
same reason as Edward III

>>63953548
A small group of larpers, not 1+ billion larping at once.

>>63953555
>one of those is a religion, not an ethnicity; and three of those are various flavours of chinese-mongol mix
Manchus are jurchens who predate Genghis khans Mongols. They enslaved Mongols in the 1630s/40s.

>>63953558
China recognizes 56 ethnicities. Han is one of them. Manchus, Mongols, Tibetans, uyghurs, Hui, Miao, Zhuang, Korean, Russian, Tajik, Kazakh etc are some of the others. Ethnic minorities often get favorable university admissions. There is no "larp".

>>63953443
that's a weird pride flag

>>63953443
hmm, maybe I should put this one up next Pride Month, the stupid pronouns wouldn't know the difference

>>63953216
Jannies are anti-Trump redditors, so when anti-America posting happens under Trump they encourage it, while they banned it under Biden. Ukraine is a Democrat money laundering operation, so of course they switch sides on that topic.

>>63953253
Multiple rallies, if you were American you would have seen them.

>>63953555
>First post
See >>63952920
Nice job announcing it, retard.

>>63953585
>Nice job announcing it, retard.
I didn't know the faggot posted that alright

>>63953563
>Chink mutt admits chinks are mutts
Finally

>>63953585
>Multiple rallies
Nothing that comes out of Trump's mouth is reliable. You're wasting your time listening to his (what can only be described as) word vomits.
>if you were American you would have seen them.
Are Americans forced to watch them now? Grim

>>63952895
You dont know the half of it. Rapechink aka hapanda has a thread up right now where hes spammed massive walls of rape cope posts for about 24 hours straight now. see for yourself >>63947072

Whats worse is that an anon in that thread looked up his posts in the archive and hes been doing this shit for 7 (SEVEN) fucking years.

>>63953569
>>63953577
Shartmericans see a flag and think it's about LGGBTTTQ. The jokes write themselves.

>>63953604
Is he the same guy as the Chinese rape scholar on /his/? That guy is pretty entertaining.

>>63953606
>Shartmericans see a flag and think it's about LGGBTTTQ. The jokes write themselves.

>>63953606
Chink please, I'm not even from the US

>>63953604
>7 (SEVEN) fucking years.
has he beat Armatard's record?

>>63953606
>Rapechink doesn't understand humour
fits, really

>>63953612
yes

>>63953613
Why do you have this picture saved? Maybe stop posting and take a mental health break.

>>63953620
>Armatard's
I can remember armatard spamming his threads as for back as 2014. Safe to say that brand of schizo has been at this much longer

>>63953623
Why do you have pre formatted walls of rape facts saved?

>>63953535
wrong, lol
wumaos can be very persistent, but I'm not whichever one of them you think has been pestering you
I just call everyone's shit as I smell it, I like to think

>>63953600
Nah I watch them because Trump is based and you're a seething chink who got btfo by him.

>>63953935
>Identical points and typing style
>Immediately rushed to post Chinese wiki articles with the cope fake history chinkoids believe
Nice try Hapanda. Still working at a call center in Michigan with a jeet boss? Or did you finally move back to Singapore?

>>63953548
The difference is that actual Anglo-Saxons exist today while the Han were literally raped into extinction.

Don’t feel like making a new thread but how come renders of FCAS, GCAP, F-47, etc only show one seat? If a large defining feature of sixth gen fighters is going to be integration with CCAs then wouldn’t it make sense to have another pilot to direct/manage them?

>>63954361
They're artistic representations usually, not actual engineering models.

>>63954065
Anglo Saxon is by construction a mutt race, created by Saxons invading into Roman Britannia and mixing with locals. They were later conquered by Normans, so even pure "Anglo-Saxons" do not exist contrary to your claim. The Normans themselves were a mutt race of Franks, Vikings and earlier Romans and Gauls.

>>63953585
>Jannies are anti-Trump redditors, so when anti-America posting happens under Trump they encourage it, while they banned it under Biden. Ukraine is a Democrat money laundering operation, so of course they switch sides on that topic.
Based jannies dabbing on miggers
The anti American agenda will continue until miggers are purged from its government

>>63953585
>Ukraine is a Democrat money laundering operation
Leave this board vatnik subhuman

>>63954645
>boeing is a joke
Correct for we're talking about their civilian airliner decision, the F15 is an exception to that rule because it turns out the MIC doesn't want shit aircraft... Small arms like the XM7 however...

>>63952762
You do realise a lot of tests that conflagrate are above the pressure maximum to test pressure vessel seams and the like.
It's common to do this, even.

I hope you know this is the same sperg that posted from Moscow.
People act like theyre different spergs, but no they are the same sperg entity.

There's a reason they go after Finns, Swedes, Bongs, Japs and Koreans on an American board and it's because they are "hostile countries" to Russia.

>>63952762
>high intensity stress test fails
Well no shit, it as if that was the point....

>>63955089
NTA but the question is whether this test was intended to "fail" or not

>>63955096
yes, we know

>>63952878
>China pretends they invented the delta wing

>>63950507
A shit take that has aged like milk lol

>>63950442 (OP)
>J-36 is a triple engined abomination
Yes, and? It's literally the only flying 6th Gen fighter. Meanwhile the White dogs are too fat and lazy to get the drumpF-47 of the ground.

>>63952462
>not be able to keep up
Leonardo is the lead developer for GCAPs sensor and communications suite, one of the things that is pushing it past 5th gen and into 6th. Not to mention their work on the EF2000 manufacturing and assembly plus their work on ECRS Mk2.
Typical Italian stereotyping while ignoring the fact that Italy is a major player in aerospace engineering

>>63956544
What makes it 6th gen?

>>63950957
Where is FCAS?
>Participants are squabbling over important details like who's going to build it
>France keeps saying they don't need Germany and can do it alone
>Dassault CEO outright said the project is fucked and will take decades to go anywhere

>>63954645
>boeing is a joke
old boeing was okay. nu boeing is a joke. They can't even deliver on a trainer.

>>63953585
>Jannies are anti-Trump
based. This is a pro gun board after all. my dear inferior russian cumguzzler

>>63956624
The fact France is demanding 80% workshare doesn't help
Leaving just 10% each for Spain and Germany.

It should be 50-60% France with 25-30% for Germany and 10-15% for Spain.

>>63950442 (OP)
trvke

>>63956544
>It's 6th gen because I said so, please understand these "leaks" through the great firewall of china are in fact legit and not CCP propaganda to pretend like their prototypes are more real than the US prototypes that've been flying in secret for a decade

>>63956743
>French inflated ego and self entitlement hindering yet another EU program
Honestly I wonder why they were even invited.

>>63956624
>>France keeps saying they don't need Germany
The fact that they're phasing out all their Famas's for German small arms would imply otherwise.

Dassault is basically a prime example of a deep state.

lockheed martin can only dream about having similar influence

>>63952763
>the F14 is capable of pulled 10+G turns, doing so bends the airframe and the whole thing is a write off.
>Iranians did it once IRL btw

That iranian F-14 went to more than 12G several times in a low altitude dogfight and had to be rebuilt but it returned to service. IIRC 3 iraq mig-23 were lost to crashes trying to keep up with it at sub 100 feet altitude.

>>63956544
J-50 also exists and is flying,

>>63957001
Small arms are on a whole realm of lower importance and cost compared to projects like new fighter jets. It doesn't matter which country they by an AR derivative from. All the rifles and spares for the lifespan of a rifle will probably cost less than a single unit of a 6th gen fighter.

>>63957578
Germany adopting the HK416 is going to be the same price as a couple F35s. And that's before you factor in running and maintenance costs.

>>63957603
Yes, 120,000 rifles is similar in cost to 2-3 F-35s.

What exactly was your point?

Most 6th gen fighters are talking about $150-200M pricetags if not more.

>>63957610
>>63957610
That small arms procurement is a rounding error on projects like FCAS. France doesn't give a shit about buying Rifles from Hk, if they weren't selling they'd just go somewhere else.

>>63952679
My wumao friend the H3 has
had 4 successful launches in a row.

>>63952787
>name one concession

Accepting a tariff on Chinese goods.

>>63957811
we pay the tariff retard, Xi has no power over it.

>>63950461
lol that thing is such an obvious shitpile I doubt they actually put it into production

>>63952618
Gross

>>63958576
>China must lower the prices of their goods in order to remain competitive in the US market or else have the demand for their products reduced due to increased prices thanks to tariffs.
They lose revenue either way, while the US has greater incentives to start making homegrown alternatives.
You see this as a loss for the US instead of China because you're a consoomer that only cares about cheap access to plastic baubles

>>63956503
>a new place for more meetings

>

>>63957001
We weren't invited. It's just another forced german ass licking forced by our current moron head of state. The Paris "elite" love talking about a "couple franco-allemand" / franco german couple to look pro-EU and make themselves more important than they actually are (for the domestic public opinion), while in fact, it never existed in the first place. The germans didn't need us, and we didn't need the german, because talks of a "6th gen" wasn't even in the pipes. I'll be more than fine to see this shitshow die in the gutter and buy some German tanks to save time, money and move on.
Dassault is more or less pushing for a fifth iteration of the Rafale, able to manage AI and loyal wingmen (stealth UCAV). it's not 6th gen but it will do the trick to wreck russian shit.

>>63960560
>while the US has greater incentives to start making homegrown alternatives.
That ship sailed long ago buddy.

>>63960878
>That ship sailed long ago buddy.
chink or trans?

>>63960674
>Dassault is more or less pushing for a fifth iteration of the Rafale, able to manage AI and loyal wingmen (stealth UCAV). it's not 6th gen but it will do the trick to wreck russian shit.
That's the short-term plan for the 2030s and 40s.

FCAS is for the late 2040s and beyond.

>>63961174
Neither. I'm not a trumptranny like you and I know enough about manufacturing to know that "bringing production back to the States" will never happen

>>63956544
the prototype spotted at Area 51 under a temp shelter 3 years back doesn't exist nope not at all

>>63961699
We know there were flying testbed/prototype NGAD vehicles as far back as 2019 and at least one of them completed a "full-scale flight demonstrator that reportedly "broke records."" as revealed publicly in September 2020.

>>63961709
this fact has repeatedly mindbroken chinkshills

>>63961699
that amount of cope should be illegal

>>63964312
Actually, yes. A CGI picture and a blurry image of "something" does not count. For all we know it could be the same old demonstrator fom that LO testing study.

>>63965233
NTA and the image he posted is probably a nothingburger but:
>CGI
kys ESL subhuman. I can't wait until we bomb your country, leaving no one alive.

>>63965251
I'm not a chink tho. I'm just tired of the burgers flip flopping attitude.

>>63965308
>flip flopping attitude
we just don't have to show off what we have, it's literally that simple.
the snake sits idly in the grass, waiting for something to pass by
the blowfish makes itself look as big and spiny as possible, because it's scared.
flying a "6th gen" (it's not) prototype aircraft over populated areas at low altitude constantly so people can post propaganda pics of it is blowfish behaviour, it's not something you do when you think your aircraft is super fucking deadly and want to keep it's capabilities a secret.

>>63965322
>we just don't have to show off what we have
Nah, you just don't have anything

>we know
can I see it?

>>63965442
>y-you just don't have anything
i'm so glad you guys keep falling for it, i hope thirdies will continue to think like this as it works in our favour.

>>63965576
>i hope thirdies will continue to think like this as it works in our favour.
I mean, you are thinking like this and you are a thirdie

>>63965838
>y-you m-mean
>n-no u
no, i mean you're a thirdie and your brain is fundamentally too underdeveloped to understand why a country will hide military technology and not flaunt it around like mongoloids.
i could explain it in a million different ways but you'd remain there, with your glazed over eyes and drool coming out of your mouth, not understanding or accepting it because your brain works on dickmeasuring contests.

>>63965889
>projected stuttering 2 times
Lol, do you stutter IRL?

>>63965894
>projected
>n-no u
>no u's twice in a row
lol, you're shivering again, calm down thirdie

>>63965901
3 times now that you've projected onto me what you've been doing. Feeling cornered huh?

>>63965904
i'm just showing you what you sound like when you pretend to act smug, it just doesn't work, sorry.
>P-PROJECTION
>PROJECTION PROJECTION PROJECTION
did a white person teach you that word? i'm not really sure you know what it means.

>>63965920
>still goes at it
>race out of nowhere
lmao, are you a poo pretending to be white?

>>63965924
>N-NOOOO YOU SEE I'M TOTALLY SMUG LOOK AT ME
he's still trying

i can keep poking this guy and he will keep seething lol.

>>63965942
Jesus, I broke you. I'm sorry, do you want me to stop?

that's enough for now though, the mentally ill thirdie has been tortured enough. one day he might figure out why military secrets are a thing, until then he's cursed to keep seething about things he doesn't understand.

>>63965951
lmao, you're running away.

>>63965969
>N-NOOO PLEASE LET ME PRETEND TO BE SMUG ONE LAST TIME
>h-haha, you're leaving my schizo rambling behind
>i-i won!
if it makes you feel better, mentally ill thirdieshill-chan.
this is the last one you get before you're left with your own schizo thoughts again.
>NOOO WAIT COME BACK, I WIN I WIN I WIN
>U-UHHH UHHH I WAS ONLY PRETENDING TO BE RETARDED ALL ALONG!
so obsessive, so sad, like tears in the rain.

>>63966493
I feel bad for you

>>63950507
japan isn't retarded to think italians or bongs are someone trustworthy. They are backstabbing

>>63952270
how is this helping you sleep at night?

>>63952427
japan will probably kill mutts in the future. They should take back hawaii and northern Russia.

>>63966493
Buckbroken