Was this a realistic portrayal of how a nuclear escalation would play out?

>>63953740 (OP)
This one is better

>>63953740 (OP)
>Was this a realistic portrayal of how a nuclear escalation would play out?
Well for starters
>rando dude digs up a bomb from a plane shot down 30 years earlier
>bomb crashed in an aircraft from tens of thousands of feet and has had no maintenance for 30 years but is totally working
And then
>sekrit bomb can't be trace to ze russias!!!
And it's going to be delivered how, teleportation? Nuclear terrorism is no joke though way harder then often portrayed, but you can't get a nuclear exchange out of that trivially either because losing part of one city isn't worth committing sudoku of every other city and lots of other stuff in your country. And you can't deliver a LOT of nukes without ballistic missiles or aircraft, both of which are pretty fucking obvious where they're coming from and what they are.

So no retarded hollywood plot device.

>>63953819
Prior to 9/11 and the DHS buying up all of the world's He-3 it would have been much easier to sneak a nuke in by ship.

>>63953740 (OP)
no because americans always assume in their fiction that everybody else thinks and behaves like them. For example ziggers would happily use strategic nook bombardment, specially against american cities to wipe as many burgers out as physically possible, if it weren't for the fear of getting their only two cities atomized

they will behave regarding nooks but only as long as they believe they cant get away with it

also nooks went missing from post cold war vatnik union and I am not talking about broken arrows like the ones lying in oceans. As in missing warheads from bunkers. They just never got deployed for various reason, from not having the arming codes to the cores themselves being rotten and only good for dirty spam. Some of them ended up in places like china who took them apart to study how they build them, like reentry vehicles

>>63953740 (OP)
book, not bad
film, not good at all

>>63953819
I remember the book better than the movie, sounds like they fucked up the movie because in the book they had to re-machine the core and replace the tritium.

>>63953740 (OP)

Fuck no. Either we'd assume the Russians were responsible and go straight to TZD with no fucks or warnings given or the Russians would just assume that we'd come to that conclusion and attack them so they'd have nothing to lose by striking first anyway.

>>63953819

IIRC in the movie, they just salvaged the plutonium core and then built an entirely new bomb around it. Now, that too wouldn't fucking work because the tritium alone would have decayed to the point of being completely useless, but let's not get ahead of ourselves.

>>63953740 (OP)
Guess we'll find out eventually.

>>63954279
AND THOSE NIGERS CUT THAT OUT WHY DO WE LOVE THEM FUCK

>>63954279
>>63954298
in the book they in fact specifically fuck up by using HE3 contaminated tritium

>>63954321
the slavland blood feud is not going to end in nuclear war, mikhail

you missed your chance in 2022

>>63954327
They killed the scientist before he got a chance to refine the tritium. They turned their megaton hydrogen bomb into a 10kt fizzle.

>>63954344
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wild_Fire_(novel)

check out how the MAGAs ancestors fucked up a nuclear plot lol (fiction)

>>63953819
The book spent a solid 100 pages explaining how they had to remanufacture the bomb after they got their hands on it.
They had a pissed off injun guy posing as an NBC affiliate drive up in a marked TV van park it next to the stadium.
They also had it planned to be a hydrogen bomb in the one megaton range, so it would have been thought impossible for a terrorist to have made a bomb that big. The only other explanation would have been a state actor.

I like the way Sun Of All Fears is kinda tom clancy turning his own style upside down so that this time, the villians are the ones with the techno-scheme plan revolving around a unique opportunity and a very angry defector

>>63953740 (OP)
I liked Wargames

In the movie they comment that a US first strike could take out all Russian land based ICBMs and their subs could be taken out and all nuclear capable Russian aircraft destroyed on the ground. Leaving Russian with “300 small mobile launchers” enough to only target US cities. Is this true? Wouldn’t Russia launch all their nukes the second they detected the US launching theirs?

>>63953740 (OP)
>>63954279
The ryanverse really goes off the rails after Sum of all fears because Clancy kept upping the ante every subsequent book.


>Nuke goes off in an American city killing tens of thousands
>Just a few years later congress and most of the executive branch gets killed in a kamikaze attack
>One year later tens of thousands are killed in a weaponised ebola attack
>9/11 still happens somehow

>>63954700
Somewhat. The issue with ICBMs is that preparing them for launch can take longer than their flight time. If you know where enemy silos are, you could nuke them before getting nuked yourself. Soviets/Russia in theory also had first-strike capabilities since late 80s, but IDK how complete they were. This is why mobile (either TEL or submarines) and hidden launchers are pretty important to have, so you can guarantee there is someone to strike back. This is also why putting missiles closer to your enemy is important - shorter time of flight, shorter reaction time and less chance their get their nukes flying.
Notably I don't think China can be first striked because they're simply further away from US, since US-Russian nuclear exchange would mostly happen over the Arctic and to get to China you need to go over Arctic and Russia or over Pacific, the long way around.
>“300 small mobile launchers” enough to only target US cities.
It's not enough to only target cities, more like at that point you can only target cities since their nukes already are in your ass.

>>63953753
>Islamic Iran collapses
>Soviets invade
>Americans counter-invade
>B-52s trying to hit a Soviet base in Iran are hit by nuclear A2A missiles.
>America uses a tactical nuke to destroy the base.
>About a day later, at 3AM DC time, Soviets try to launch a total first strike.
Not bad from what I remember.

>>63953753
/thread

>>63954915
There was also the bit about the USS Los Angeles being sunk with all hands. I would like to see another movie made that just focused on the military side to see that sweet NATO v Soviet action that was described on the radio segments.

clancy wrote leaders more rational than they are in real life

>>63953740 (OP)
No. Dr. Strangelove remains the most accurate portrayal of nuclear escalation because people are inherently stupid and delusional just like the movie portrays them to be.

>>63953753
>britbong misery porn the movie
*yawn*

>>63953753
The real moral of this movie isn't that it is more accurate than The Day After any more than Come And See is somehow more accurate to all war. The real moral is that in the event of nuclear war, the UK is absolutely and utterly fucked because of its location, size, and position within the global economy. It could remain 100% neutral and at least one or two nukes would hit London or Sheffield adjacent areas just because Fuck You.

>>63955372
>It could remain 100% neutral and at least one or two nukes would hit London or Sheffield adjacent areas just because Fuck You.

Isn't that literally the plot of V for Vendetta (the comic book)?

>>63953740 (OP)
Kino OST

>>63955372
All the NATO minor nations would be fucked by virtue of contributing to the American nuclear response. Canada ran an exercise to try and figure out how badly they'd get stomped on in the event of nuclear war and came to the conclusion that even if they weren't targeted directly, they'd still have to deal with bombs and missiles aimed at the US that either released too early or went off course.
My favorite part of the exercise was that a Canadian ASW patrol plane "sacrified" themselves to kamikaze a Soviet submarine, so the exercise planners put an inject into the exercise for the RCAF to track down the crew's next of kin in the aftermath of nuclear war to award them posthumous VCs
https://civildefencemuseum.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/06-The_Five-Hour-War-The_RCAF_Exercise_Bookcheck_and-_Nuclear_War_1960-1963_e.pdf

>>63954915
Still better than Dale Brown. Where Russia gets eternally BTFO by the Taliban so hard that they nuke the US and then themselves and…somehow get away with it?
Also drones. Shitloads of drones.

>>63953740 (OP)
>>63953753
Even better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1kUeTFFZos

>>63958739
Better still.
https://youtu.be/a_hf9whczPU

>>63955173
the president going completely fucking schizophrenic and preparing to nuke everyone because the dumb whore he's banging won't shut her ass up sounds realistic
the CIA trying to stop him is high fiction on the level of fairies and dragons

>>63962857
I'm willing to give him some license there, because the CIA are the Designated Good Guys. Which, frankly, is really unusual and part of the unique charm of his works.

>>63961774
This one is good, never seen >>63958739 so I'll watch it.
I'll also recommend The Day After. In my opinion its a more interesting and American spin on Threads. Its also less depressing if Threads is too bleak.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOPaaHSjMcw

>>63953740 (OP)
he was right btw

>>63963634
except for the "followers of Marx being gone from this earth" part

>>63963638
Marxism is basically dead but democratic socialism aka classical liberalism is on the rise.
The same thing happed after the great depression and the ruling class in Germany backed Hitler because they preferred fascism to corporate taxes.

Any of you guys watch by Dawn's Early Light? I really enjoy this movie.

>>63961774
The novel it's based on it pretty good too.

Also, Testament 1983. One of Kevin Costner's early roles and a really good post-nuke flick if people liked Threads and The Day After.

>>63964341
>WILL SOMEBODY GET ME A CIGARETTE?
>I SAID A REEEEEEEAL CIGARETTE!
loved James Earl Jones in this movie, gut bulging out of his flightsuit like a chad

>>63954971
The 90s WWIII mockumentary had that - it mostly focused on the escalation ladder prior to nukes if the collapse of the USSR went differently and includes NATO and the Warsaw Pact shooting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZf-M_vC22w

I don't think we'll ever see anything like it again.

>>63964341
The scene where the sac commander was talking with Jones sticks out to me. Especially the part where he tells him happy hunting a second before the nuke hit the base and the phone line cuts.

>>63955372
>at least one or two nukes would hit London or Sheffield
Frankly that would be a net positive to the UK and resolve a good chunk of their issues overnight.

>>63964311
Meanwhile in New York, the leading mayoral candidate in NYC is touting "free" buses and government grocery stores.