Thread 63954682

Japan gives used destroyers to Philippines.
What are the implications?.

>>63954682 (OP)
Nipponic Steel Folded 10 Million Times.
They could be exporting a lot of new ships in current year, if they remove restrictions.

Co-Prosperity Sphere bros we're so back

>>63954682 (OP)
Nothing, those are old ass destroyers with modern sensors and weapon systems removed because of Jap constitution, laws and American sensibilities.

Pinoy navy are still stuck with the moar hullz mindset instead of investing in modern fully armed, wartime capable vessels.

>>63954697
It seems like they are moving towards militarizing. I think it would be cool if Japan armed the navies of SEA and the Pacific with ships as a way of indirectly countering Chinese power.

>>63954711
Those laws will be the undoing of freedom in that region, which is unironic because they were put in place to protect it.

>>63954682 (OP)
They are old ships, and still not going to be transferred until at least next year. Still, if they were kept in good condition, then they would be valuable to the Philippines. Anything to bolster defense against the hostile Chinese Coast Guard ships and fishing boats.
Also potentially transferring training aircraft. All part of a larger Japan-Philippines joint agreement for training. Which could mean that in return, Japan gets chances to practice with its new marine forces.

>>63954682 (OP)
>destroyer
>2000 tonne
>no long range SAM
>no SAM whatsoever

In other countries this would be a corvette

>>63954788
japanese ships are built differently. They have the highest standards with many understated capacities.

>>63954817
>japanese ships are built differently. They have the highest standards
Lol

>>63954817
This doesn't help if you have no SAM

Philippine navy doesn't need old rustbuckets even if they're cared for by Japanese sailors and semen.

What they need are frigates who could sink multiple PLAN warships before scooting away

Their coastguard need larger ships to fuck over China's coastguard

>>63954699
We could've just translated it as "Commonwealth" this whole time but ~NOOOO~ gotta make it clunky & silly

>>63954711
All they need to do is be able to beat Chink fishing boats.

>>63954711
>with modern sensors and weapon systems removed because of Jap constitution
> The Yomiuri Shimbun suggests that equipment previously installed in the Abukama-class destroyers can be changed if needed to meet PN requirements

it's more hulls for the philippines to use against the chinks so that the few new ships they have don't get overused. probably in better condition than the corvette they got from south korea as a sweetener for their previous ship deal

will be interesting to see what they replace the removed systems with. korean CMS and ASMs on a Japanese ship? Turkroach CIWS?

a single df17 could sunk 2 pilipino ships
useless

>>63954682 (OP)
The Flips are gonna refurbish the old electronics.

Basically buying cheap then refurbishing them to upgraded electronics.

>>63954922
Implessive!

>>63954922
Filipinos have no military history anyway. Forget winning wars. I don't think they have ever fought one.
They also have a name for the trash they pick up and eat from their rivers. Disgusting people.

>>63954788
Given that the Flips were uusing 1950s landing craft to 'patrol', this might still be an upgrade.

>>63954970
Chinese got fucked over in WW2 and them creating the Wuhan virus from eating bats.

Nice try chink

>>63954970
Remember Chinese gutter oil
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gutter_oil

>>63954852
This could be a next step though

>>63954970
Are you talking about pagpag, I only know about that term because I used to use /vt/ and they made me slightly racist against filipinos

>>63954970
They fought plenty of insurgencies on both sides.

Part of the reason the US gave them independence was we were tired of killing their insurgents.

>>63954966
Clever

they'd be useful for general patrol duties.
>nearly 30 knots
>76mm gun
>20mm ciws
>has harpoon and torpedo fittings
>endurance is much better than a patrol boat

the only real thing it lacks is serious air defense.

>>63955069
oh, and they also have asroc. so they can also do asw with the asuw in war time. there's plenty of asroc and harpoon out there.

>>63955069
It can be modified easily for AA

>>63955063
>Part of the reason the US gave them independence was we were tired of killing their insurgents.
What's the history with that

>>63955069
That's enough for them.

>>63955175
They could use like 400 of those vessels

Even against a chimping China the Philippines still relies heavily on gibs instead of actually buying stuff on their own.

Guess mansions, overseas properties and luxury sports cars for their politicians and generals come first huh.

>>63954983
>>63954980
Mindbroken

>>63955150
there's the 8 round Mk 29 essm box launchers they could probably install without too much trouble, which would be enough for local air defense (medium range).

ciws is generally good enough to shoot down drones or one incoming missile. 76mm works alright against drones too.

>>63955183
What's the point? The Chinese navy is built to fight vs American and japanese Navy at the same time. The Philippines could put their entire GDP into their navy and it still wouldn't be enough

>>63954682 (OP)
I hope they start sinking chink fishing vessels and any chink military ships that ram their ships

>>63955210
>I hope they start sinking chink fishing vessels and any chink military ships that ram their ships
Never
They will cuck out to China before retaliating because they know China is just waiting for them to pull the trigger so China can overcompensate and retaliate heavily

>>63955210
lol China would love for the Philippines to start sinking or actually opening fire first, that opens up China to do the same, without as much international condemnation if China did it first.

>>63955214
>>63955265
No chang. We are standing up to you

>>63954817
>They have the highest standards
The front can't fall off?

>>63955279
That's cute

>>63954788
you forgot something
>destroyer escort
it's an enlarged ww2 destroyer escort with modern systems. it has rather heavy asw armament (both asroc and torpedo tubes), which fits the definition fine. tertiary anti-ship and guns.

>>63955290
Really cute chang.

Now go eat bats with gutter oil

>>63955290
You're man made islands are literally sinking because of storms.

Might wanna lower your tone there chang.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/sunk-how-chinas-man-made-islands-are-falling-apart-and-sinking-ocean-132047

>>63955290
Cant even defend your sinking Islands Chang.

>>63954682 (OP)
China that is checked by many smaller nation
Japan gets to recoup some cost of older Destroyers and build new ones

>>63955290
You still got your sinking Islands to Protect Chang.

Not to mention your so called "mighty" dragon army getting killed and captured in Ukraine

>>63955290
HAHAHAHA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7kViphxpAI

>>63955754
>>63955757
>>63955793
>>63955830
>>63955835
Oh the seethe. You have no idea what’s coming. Hold onto your butts

>>63955754
LMAO

>>63955851
You aint really threatening anyone here Chang.

This is 4chan. Now go back to eating eat bats instead of acting tough in 4chan thread.

>>63954788
Haha, yeah, the Japanese are just like that.

>>63954788
Japs have weird ways of classifying their ships, kinda like the Germans. Obvious aircraft or helicopter carriers are classed as helicopter destroyers and AEGIS cruisers are called heavy missile destroyers.
>>63955282
No, that would be shamefur and requires the ship builders to immediately commit sudoku.

Why not buy an old Mogami?

>>63956051
There are no old Mogami-class ships.

The oldest mogami-class frigate is only 3-4 years old.

>>63955152
they had to invent the 1911 because the previous service pistol couldn't stop the filipinos

Why did the Philippines try to ally with China and why the fuck did China respond with "NO U, FUK U PINOY DOG, DIE, GO BE ON AMERICA'S SIDE"?

It was genuinely one of the most incomprehensible moments I've ever seen in foreign relations, China was offered an incredible diplomatic boon and leverage in the Pacific for free, and they... got furious about it?

I still don't get it, it's like if Putin called Serbia and told them he hated them and demanded they join NATO

>>63956051
they're already bought some new ffgs from south korea. these things would be general purpose patrol frigates to add to their fleet; if they're relatively cheap, then it's a good buy.

>>63956470
Because the "multipolar world" all collectively rides the short bus.
They've alienated several nations that were ranging from neutral to sympathetic towards them, all while also working against the "allies" they did have. Imagine if China, Russia, Iran, etc. coordinated their movement in 2022. It could have really upended things if the opponents of the West all stepped up at once. Instead, they've chosen to faceplant one-by-one and act increasingly like wounded animals lashing out at anything/everything.

>>63954970
>Filipinos have no military history anyway.
Everyone gansta 'til the trees start speaking Waray

>>63954711
Would be laff if the Philippines got some WWII era IJN ships to face off against fishing boats with old PTSD-riddled sailors.

>>63955757
>>63955793
>>63955830
Damn we got the entire Eglin base seething

>>63956596
That joke only works with Vietnam since they fought the US
Who did the pags fight? Other pagpags? Lol

>>63956470
China sees through the ruse, they know that the Philippines will be forever America's bitch and a single outlier administration isn't going to change 100+ years of foreign policy.

That's why they don't treat the Philippines as a sovereign country but rather as a US vassal who doesn't have a policy and mind of their own.

It's a stark contrast to how they deal with other ASEAN countries, even other SCS claimants where China might not see them as equals and may even view them as equally subhuman compared to the superior Han but they won't go out of their way to antagonize them like they do with the Philippines.

To China the Philippines is just an irrelevant butthurt belt country who will never stand up to them but can become useful idiots given the right amount of yuan injected to a few politicians with access to state influence and powers.

The Philippines on their end are incompetent and inept with their childish belief that they can deal with China with only soft power. A campaign slogan, Twitter pity campaign and rally bluster is different from buying military equipment from allies designed to inflict maximum casualties against the PLA. The political establishment in the Philippines doesn't view national defense as important and would rather cajole and be subjugated by foreign invaders for the nth time.

America, Japan, Australia, Korea will never die for a shithole like the Philippines.

The trillions of dollars in trade made with China trumps whatever trashy treaty written 70-80 years ago.

Just like Ukraine there will be deeb gomcern but in the end they will be left alone because neither Democrat or Republican are interested in funding a losing war for a shithole they never knew even existed.

Japan should rewrite the 'defense only' part of their constitution before the CN—TW war heats up any more.

>>63956866
It's already been altered. Not the text, just the interpretation. They have aircraft carriers and marine units. Something they shunned for decades, until the Diet accept a definition of collective defense.
If an ally is attacked, and it appears Japan is soon to follow, the Self-Defense Forces can take action. It's a reality China wants to ignore, and claim won't happen. If war comes and China starts it, they're going against multiple nations at once.

>>63956888
>If an ally is attacked, and it appears Japan is soon to follow, the Self-Defense Forces can take action. It's a reality China wants to ignore, and claim won't happen
No it's exactly what China expects and is preparing for. Japan openly bragged how they could easily defeat the Chinese navy in the 90s and everyone in China heard. It's the part of the whole reason behind China's naval buildup, the other reasons being America, Taiwan and the south China sea.

ping pong ching chong to you to, my little yellow friend

>>63954750
there would have to be a change in their constitution, idk if it can be done so easily.

>>63956717
It doesn't even work for the Vietnamese, considering they got slaughtered and were extremely poor fighters.

it's the pinoys' fault for not militarizing before they kicked out americans
literally low iq
if you're going to kick out us gi sexpests then you might as well have some semblance of military before you do
the dictatorship buckbroken them that their politicians are deathly afraid of making the military class too powerful

>>63956942
what do you mean
at the time, they had one of the strongest militaries in southeast asia. which is like saying the tallest of the seven dwarves, but still. military was strong enough to participate in a coup, which scared subsequent admins from giving their military any budget

>>63954757
Once things actually look existential, the japs will ignore article 9. They aren't dumb. But for now, it'd be political suicide to try and get around that part of their constitution. For now, they'll sit under the US umbrella, and who wouldn't?
Consider they have launch capability with their fancy "satellite launching" irbms. And i bet they'd have a function nuclear weapon within a month or two if necessary.

>>63954682 (OP)
Why can't we get one for a /k/orvette?
> load up on anime, ammo, sake
> set sail for Thailand, load up on femboys
> set sail for the gulf and wreck some skinnys
> only concern, keeping poop off the poop deck

>>63956572
They don't want a multipolar world, they want one where they can have all the vassals they desire with no trouble at all and all those bastard countries with all their 'laws' and 'freedoms' get the humiliation they deserve. But 'world where I am the king of everything' just isn't as nice sounding, and it doesn't get you useful idiots to secretly help YOU become the top dog in the world.
Every nation in the 'multipolar world order' club thinks that way. No allies, only convenient suckers and people you'll stab in the back last. They don't seem to get that the reason the US is at the top is because they put in the work to make friends. Even China, who seems to sort of get the idea of 'friends are useful', doesn't realize that the US's 'plan' doesn't ever involve turning allies into vassals (or at least, it didn't involve that before)
So they'll all do the same thing - puff their chests out, say they're number one, boldly go off to claim the clay they think they deserve, only to get their asses handed to them by nations who would rather be their own thing and who like the current order. All the while their 'friends' sit back and laugh, thinking they could never meet the same fate if THEY tried that.

>>63957959
Outside of the two Koreas, everyone in Asia was pretty much demilitarized in that era. Even the Chinks were spent.

>>63956864
>subhuman chink hands wrote this post

Tens of thousands of Americans died defending the Philippines, then liberating it in WW2. The US-Philippines alliance is ironclad

>>63956864
>>63956843
I don't think so Chink.

The Philippines is a strategic point for the Pacific. It acts as a buffer zone for western countries to the Pacific.
They will never let other countries get their hands on it.

Research more and learn history maybe you'll get that chinkoid propaganda cool aid out your little penis.

America should have dumped all of the OHPs to the Philippines before Chyna got too big

Maybe when they retire the first batches of Burkes...

>nips give flips 6 hand-me-down boats
>chink asslickers on overdrive like it's the end of the world
Calm the fuck down, it's just 6 boats. You're acting like some flip fucked your mom or something.

>no VLS
Might as well be a coast guard ship.

>go outside their port
>immediately in range of every missile
are philipinos stupid?

>>63956717
Do they not teach about WW2 in China? I mean, actual WW2. Not whatever fanfic Mao wrote about himself.

>>63959996
vls is only really useful if you're going for an anti-air warship. this thing still has 8 harpoons and 8 asroc, which is enough for anti-surface and anti-sub. 8 harpoon is enough to get through the defenses of a ddg/cg at decent range, so still very useful for war, especially if you use drones for observation.

>>63956843
This behavior is why literally everyone in the region hates you.

>>63958051
nah, they are as buck broken as the germans. they will never wake up in time.

Philippines should be spending 5% of their GDP on procurement alone.

They can never match China 1:1 but if they buy the right gear they can inflict so much casualties to the PLAN they would rather back off and sail back to China than risk international humiliation and possible retaliation.

Also shitholes like them need to look at Ukraine and invest in cheapo suicide drones, you don't need to sink a ship but damaging critical parts and setting it ablaze is doable.

>>63959993
The nips did the rape of nanking, the flips did the rape of yultong.

>>63954682 (OP)
>F16s
>TYPHONS
>NMESIS
>ships from Korea
>ships from Japan
Philippines going on a shopping spree, I see.

>>63959264
>>63959389
I dunno man, the phillipines sucks. They're comically corrupt and incompetent, and have pissed off pretty much everyone. I dont think we would actually care about saving them, it would just be an excuse to sink as many chinese ships as possible

>>63962824
They couldn't even afford 20 F-16Vs much less all of those.

China will continue to beat them up and they'll take it like good keks.