Thread 63955216

https://defence-blog.com/russia-pushes-new-fighter-jet-deal-with-india/
>Russia has submitted a dual proposal to India, offering its fifth-generation Su-57E stealth fighter and the advanced Su-35M air superiority jet.

>The offer, presented by Russian state conglomerate Rostec and Sukhoi, includes full technology transfer for local production of the Su-57E at Hindustan Aeronautics Limited’s (HAL) Nashik facility. This site has previously assembled more than 220 Su-30MKI fighters. In addition, Russia has proposed direct delivery of Su-35M aircraft as part of India’s Multi-Role Fighter Aircraft (MRFA) tender for 117 jets, according to sources familiar with the discussions.

>The Su-57E, Russia’s export variant of its premier fighter, would grant India access to source codes and allow 40–60% localization, enabling integration of indigenous systems such as Astra beyond-visual-range missiles, Rudram anti-radiation missiles, and Virupaksha AESA radars. Rostec says this approach aligns with India’s “Make in India” and Aatmanirbhar Bharat initiatives and would support the country’s Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) program through technology transfer of engines, stealth systems, and avionics.

>Rostec has proposed initial deliveries of 20–30 Su-57E aircraft within three to four years to meet the IAF’s urgent requirements, with 70 to 100 jets to follow into the early 2030s.

Well?

Suhoi must be in real trouble if they are proposing this type of deal to indians

>>63955234
How so?
It's state-owned, they have unlimited resources.
The goal is to remove any western made jets from india

>>63955244
>It's state-owned, they have unlimited resources.

>>63955216 (OP)
>source code
Here it is:
10 IF Su-57E GOTO 20
20 PRINT Stealth
30 END

>>63955216 (OP)
>spend 4 trillion in r&d costs making new jet
>give it away for a few million
>enemies now have access to everything too because their IT security is terrible

>>63955258
>CIA niggers get access to one by bribing jeets with booba pics
>look inside
>it's a su-27 with a bodykit

>>63955244
Suhoi goal is to survive right now. It is the 90s all over again, RF is paying its mil companies way below what is considered profitable. Despite them being at war with a lot of orders they are constantly borrowig money. If you dont belive me you can look up orher rus mil execs talking publicly about the situation.

>>63955263
I will never understand this argument
>different engine
>different avionics + computer
>different radar+computer
>different body
>somehow just a bodykit

>>63955277
>cannot understand a joke
Ok
>different engine
Last time I checked pidors were incapable of producing new engines and still using AL-31

>>63955295
ah yes the AL31 with thrust vectoring

>>63955244
>It's state-owned, they have unlimited resources.
uhhuh

>>63955301
yes
"second stage" engines in two weeks comrade

>>63955271
In 90s they were private.
>>63955305
Yes, this is how it works in closed economies.

>>63955234
the previous deal was the same but with partial release of the source code aka not including the aesa radar software

nothing has changed really since the export version doesnt have the same radar

>>63955216 (OP)
Losing the Iranians must have really spooked them. Given the shit they've pulled in regards to commandeering T-90Ss from export contracts, their FMS programs seem to be on really shaky ground.

>>63955216 (OP)
So they will be able to redeem jet afterall?

>>63955342
>Yes, this is how it works in closed economies.
nah.

If jeets can scrape up a frankenstein su-57 with rafale electronics, that should be good enough against pakis, as long as changs doesn't up the game and actually deliver the J35.
Jeets wont be allowed to get any more NATO-made modern jets after that shitshow anyway lol.
Other than Rafail, ofc.

>>63955435
> t.

>>63955435
Originally the Su-57 (PAK FA) was jointly developed with India but they left the programme before it was completed. This is also part of why Russia has such low numbers of them because when India fucked off a lot of potential R&D money evaporated. Them coming back for it now would not be completely out of the question but would be strange since they already dumped it once.

Indians are fucking stupid id they buy Russian again, even after their T-90s were just stolen and sent to Ukraine. Payment for the tanks was keot too, no refunds.

>>63955271
>national wealth fund running low, state borrowing tons of money from banks to patch budget
>military industries making negative profit from orders, also borrowing tons of money from banks
>crazy interest rates murdering all development outside said military industries
>country on the brink of recession despite semi-wartime spending, banks handing out the rubles anyway
How does this even work? I guess the bank execs will fly out the window if they refuse?

so glowies will have full acess to the data & the schematics ? If they don't already have

should do it on condition that we get some too. But more importantly that I get one.

>>63955216 (OP)
too little too late, if the IAF ever wanted a chance to counter Chinese 5th gens it was years if not decades ago and they wasted that time doing fuck all and letting HAL operate as inefficiently as it has been for its entire lifetime, this is just a knee jerk reaction from both india and russia

>>63955216 (OP)
>5th gen
How can they claim it's a 5th gen when it's not even stealth?

>>63955435
>that should be good enough against pakis
the problem with india is that they don't train and they are shit at what they do. you could give them f-22 and they would still lose to the pakis

>>63955435
>>63955443
I'll admit I don't entirely know how this stuff works, but isn't this a fairly bad result for the Su-57 ?
I recall reading somewhere that these Russian "stealth" fighters may be somewhere closer to the level of the 80s/90s Eurofighter design, which is certainly not even trying to be a 5th gen fighter, but has some degree of stealth due to smart material and shape choices (having a partial S-duct probably helps?). Of course, the Eurofighter's signature may vary significantly depending on the loadout since it has no internal bays, but anyways.

>>63955649
dont forget that the ranks there are more like a 19th century colonial power rather than a 21st century air force

>>63955216 (OP)
>unable to build own current gen jet
>comrade Pajeet, please help of build this plane with you poo-tech
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>63955484
Yeah pretty much. They either pretend everything is fine or they get KGB'd. There's always some underling ready to take their spot even when circumstances are difficult. These guys are either deluding themselves that everything is temporary and will somehow work out in the end, or (as in the case of Sukhoi) are getting desperate to avoid collapse.

>>63955676
what always cracks me up about india is that we taught them to march in a made up way as a practical joke and they still do it the same way like a cargo cult.

>>63955216 (OP)
AAAIIIEEE tank you sar. mr nagoor babu for durgasoft will replace it wih bist java

>>63955397
That's probably a myth.

A more plausible version I heard that they were tanks that India refused to accept on QC grounds, so the Russian Army took them instead.

>>63955665
> In a way, su-57 is slightly better than 4.5G design like EF or Rafale in LO shape, but not nearly up to the point of game-changing compare to actual 5G VLO airframes.
Both simulations above didn't take RAM coating into account, so the actual results should be better, that's if major Buckbrokenovich didn't just pocket the whole budget for maintenance and all.
And there's still dogshit russoid avionics.
TLDR: it's unlikely to fair any better than Rafale/EF2000, not without a significant upgrade in avionics.
And all that efforts might not be enough against chinesium 5th gen

>>63955701
Fuck you, the daily dance-off between India and Pakistan is one of the few things they do that are based.

>>63955484
monke issues decree
>ban inflation
>ban recession
>loan at terms we dictate
and everybody understood everything

>>63955701
>"ABLOOBOOBLOO WE ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PEOPLES COMPLETELY INCOMPATIBLE WITH EACH OTHER!!!!!"
>wears the same uniform in different color, does the exact same wacky moves
Literal yooks and zooks shit.

>>63955709
>based
it's CRINGE

>>63955709
>SAR! I AM STOMPING MY FEET VERY HARD SAR! ARE YOU BLOODY INTIMIDATED, SAR?
>NICE TRY SAR, BUT AS A RESPONSE, I SWING MY ARMS WITH CLOSED FISTS VERY AGGRESSIVELY AS I MARCH, SAR! ARE YOU SHARTING YOUR BLOODY BRITCHES YET, SAR?
>I COUNTER WITH A VERY JERKY SALUTE, AND A HASTY LOWERING OF THE FLAG, AGAINST WHICH YOU HAVE NO DEFENSE, SAR!
>I RIPOSTE WITH A VERY FIRM HANDSHAKE WITH A STEELY GAZE, SAR!
>OKAY, HAVE BLOOD A GOOD DAY SAR, SEE YOU TOMORROW!
>"based"

>>63955649
In 1962, Nehru screamed to JFK to send him B-47s to stop the Chinese invasion.

Today, the US now has the opportunity - some would say obligation - to give the Jeets its full sappot. The US must immediately launch the equivalent of Operation Nickel Grass and make up the Indian Air Force's losses with the latest F-35s that will enable penetration cum blast of Porkistani airspace.

The US owes India for past betrayals like 1971. China is backing Pakistan, it's time for America to do the same for its newest greatest ally

>>63955813
saar...

>>63955216 (OP)
Sirs....
https://www.eurasiantimes.com/india-to-reject-f-35a-su-57e-offers-from/

How desperate is Russia for money that it would give away the full technology transfer of its most advanced aircraft ?
Futhermore to a nation, rival of China, Russia's closest "ally".

>>63955216 (OP)
2 more weeks

>>63955938
They realized they can't manufacture it anymore, so the only thing they can sell now is the license.

>>63955216 (OP)
Russian hardware with jeet coding. What could possibly go wrong?

>>63955216 (OP)
That smells of desperation. I wonder if it's just russia being desperate to sell their third rate shit to anyone willing to buy, or if Xi is pushing them in an attempt at distancing India from the west, and making them dependent on the third world order.

>>63955216 (OP)
man, russians are really desperate now lol.
considering multiple russian defence firms have been declaring bankruptcy recently, this is not a good sign for sukhoi.

>>63955244
>they have unlimited resources
debt based resources lol

>>63955484
>How does this even work?
See picrel, the last competent person in the Muscovite state.

>>63955216 (OP)
Don't the Russians need these things immediatly though? The Indians are going to get first dibs before them.

>>63955244
>state resources are finite
>stated owned companies resources are infinite
The absolute state of this fucking board.

>>63956129
India pays now, russians get the much-needed money and India receives the planes after the victorious conclusion of the SMO.

>Russia Offers India Su-57 Production
that's like puking on a pile of shit

>>63955244
>It's state-owned, they have unlimited resources.
That's not how things work in russia. There's a reason why UVZ had to be saved from bankruptcy multiple times.

>>63955216 (OP)
>you get jetz but only if russia doesnt collapse
bleak

>>63956055
Sure, but Monke for all intents and purposes cmmited sepuko with the Russian economy, handed her a bag full of bandages to stop the bleeding.
Which is why she tried to resign multiple times, but was denied.

>>63955244
>It's state-owned, they have unlimited resources.
The past 3 years say otherwise

>>63956180
Yea, but in the future, everyone outside Russia will recognize that she did everything she could and more to shore up the economy and keep it running as long as she could.
That's not nothing.

>>63955234
>Suhoi must be in real trouble if they are proposing this type of deal to indians

India just contracted a US company to modernize 100 of their MiG-29s without even bothering to reach out to Mikoyan. >>63956174
I know /pol/aks have been memeing about sanctions "not working" and the war being "actually good for the Russian economy" but they're NOT having a good time.
A country doesn't shit the bed all at once, but boy are they in for a fun couple of decades.

>>63955999
imagine if they bought the electronic components from China

:^)

>>63956193
I think that gold tycoon getting nationalized reallu tells you all you need to know about how bad things are

>>63956188
i mean, she's clearly got a clearheaded view of the russian economy, otherwise she wouldn't have been able to layer on the tourniquets and external fixators to keep the russian economy's proverbial legs standing a little longer every time, she used good timing every time there was trouble brewing. really though, her box of tricks has about run out and what's left now is to wait for the money reserves to run out and the musical chairs of debt to start breaking down before the party really is over.

>>63956171
To be fair, saying that kind of proves his point

>>63956201
In terms of the debt, my biggest question is who is going to fail first? The banks? The local governments?
My money (heh) is on the defense industry showing the first real pain.

>>63956211
Putin has already called to decrease military spending, in reality the peasants will feel it first now that they're importing more food.

>>63956188
Probably the reason why she will get flying lessons sooner or later. Russians hate competent people.

>>63956216
I had heard about the potato troubles in Belarus, but is the rest of the Union State's agricultural sector in trouble?

>>63955244
>It's state-owned, they have unlimited resources.
Not when the state itself is running out of resources to the point of having started to randomly confiscate shit from its own oligarchs.

>>63956222
Doubt it. Despite the hate for women in power (no penis with which to rape), putin knows damn well that she is the only thing keeping the scam going. He would be ghaddafied within a month should the economy collapse entirely.

>>63955342
>Yes, this is how it works in closed economies.
No. This is how it works in economies that are in active collapse while the govenrment is triyn g to hide this by playing numbers games exactly like this.

>>63955999
This ?

>>63955484
It works by draining the banking sector dry. And then it stops working.

>>63956223
Oh yeah, unless the russian kia count is way fucking higher than ukes say it is

>>63956222
If they do that now, people might take it as a sign that the economy's going to collapse for sure and start a bank run.
The oligarchs may be on the leash of the Kremlin inner circle / spook mafia, but even they might voice some displeasure if this fuckery collapses their business.

>>63956216
>>63956223
i have a friend in russia who helps me keep a pulse on things
his current biggest worry is that basically all the biggest online retailers in russia are turbofucked by the sanctions and the ongoing economic stress of the war.
basically, private and enterprise sellers on these platforms were already having trouble getting returns on sales, because of the shitty economic situation and increased sanctions on sold goods by those big retailers (like wildberries, which is the biggest one) recently however, russia has massively increased corporate taxes, and those companies in turn are trying to pass that extra cost they can't afford onto the sellers increasing the percentage the company takes by another 7 percent.
at this point it's basically impossible to actually make money, so those big sellers are dying and once those die, the online retailer platforms die with them.

/K/ - Wartime Economics

>>63956235
>Go to Rule34
>Search "Russian Banking sector"
>Zero results

The Russians have been doing this for years with their weapons systems.

They build a technology demonstrator and a few prototypes and hype the shit out of it, but don't actually go into testing or full scale production. Then, only when the orders and money from other countries come do, do they actually go into production, scamming the foreign money to build out the production lines and complete the development work. Finally, everyone figures out that the product was a piece of half-baked crap.

It's why the SU-57 and T-14 never actually were made in real numbers, because foreign countries stopped falling for it.

>>63956241
Honestly? I would bet on that ukie count is lagging at least a quarter behind and that is still not counting the dombasses and mercs.
But I guess we won't get the true number untill long after the war.

>>63956257
>russia's MIC is literally the exact same as pre-ordered unfinished pre-alpha paid to playtest videogame slop
they even do the same thing where they steal back the thing you paid for!

>>63955216 (OP)
>carry on my wayward son

WHAT DOES THE Su-35M HAVE OVER THE Su-30MKI???

>>63955484
>How does this even work? I guess the bank execs will fly out the window if they refuse?
1. They are forced by law. They have no say in this.
2. The biggest banks in russia are de-facto state corporations, 70-75% of the russian economy is directly or indirectly controlled by the state;

>>63956290
MKI is 90's tech.

>>63955484
nothing's new. it works like:
>russia unstoppable stronk!
until it's like:
>russia fell 90s because wecterners!
it's a bear trying to do economy. they had some good base with oil and hoarding a huge gold stash. the problem is russia only ever spends on chimpout wars and nothing else. it's wealth that's painstakingly (poverty population) hoarded then always flushed down the toilet every few decades.

>>63956312
Source? I thought the MKI was among the most advanced Flankers.

>>63956211
>my biggest question is who is going to fail first?
Housing development corporations probably, followed by banks.
Some context here. So, 2025 is already seeing a sharp decrease in new housing getting put into operation, and that's the stuff that was started building years ago, for 2026 they expect either pretty much no apartment buildings being put into operation, or a tiny bit. For 2027 they expect zero activity. This follows multiple years of the housing market getting inflated via special subsidized mortgages, which were enacted by the state to save the housing developers from crashing because of the covid shitfest. Why did the state run to save housing developers? Because the housing market is the life support of the banking system. Once the housing market goes, many if not most banks will follow.

>>63956180
>Which is why she tried to resign multiple times, but was denied.
well yeah, they are keeping her as the sacrificial scapegoat for when things go really shit

>>63956193
well if the sanctions dont work surely the /pol/troons dont mind if they stay on indefinitely

>>63956333
>a sharp decrease in new housing
not surprising when none of them can afford a house anyways.

>>63956333
>>63956347
Can't really imagine new housing being very attractive when the federal bank's interest rate is 20% and mortgages reportedly go for 30% or more.

>>63956351
That's a big factor, yeah. But it's not just that the rates are insane, but also the prices overall, because the market was artificially inflated with subsidized mortgages. These are the one-two punch to the market on top of everything else: civilian economy slowly goes down the drain, inflation running wild, a million of highly valued people left the country.

>>63956316
I wonder how it would be even possible to break this retarded cycle. Either complete population replacement or complete occupation followed by breaking down society to its base and removing all of the cancerous biomass, like KGB remnants, to then start reconstructing a rule of law and separation of powers based actual federation. instead of the thinly veiled neo-imperial larp they have going now.

Only a matter of time before Russia gets absorbed into China

>>63956374
it would take a really long time.
the current servileness and willingness to enslave themselves with no power for the people, is a deeply culturally engrained thing that is part of the russian "soul". every time a little spark of self-respect appears amongst russian commoners, the majority gleefully watches as it gets stamped out by authority.
some (not me) would even argue that it is on some level genetic, since all the rebellious and justice-seeking people have been getting brutally culled and murdered for many hundreds of years under different regimes by now.
personally i think we could solve it, but it would take a long time and a lot of murdering people who do not conform to the new standard, as that violence is the only kind of authority they will respond to at first.

>>63956374
Probably independence of Siberia and various other areas.
Moscovites do what they do because they still think themselves as an empire, and shattering that delusion would be the first step in reforming the society for the better.

>>63956380
>l-look at this fat man we photoshopped into looking like a white person
i can't believe this was the best thing that one chinkshill could come up with

>spam embarrassing homoerotic version of supreme leader constantly every single day
>still lose

>>63955704
Looks like russia is going to understand what "inversion of control" mean :o)

>>63956374
Perhaps the Eurofication of the former Warsaw Pact could be a guide?
Talinn is pretty nice now, same as most cities in the East of the EU.

>>63956193
Even if sanctions didn't exist the Russians would still be a piss poor choice for Soviet-designed airframe maintenance and upgrades

>>63955938
>He doesn't know
Anon, this has been the Russian model for financing any new miltech since the collapse of the Soviet Union. They make a couple prototypes for the parades and exhibitions, hoping to attract some thirdie paypig to actually bring the project to completion. Russian DoD is notorious for demanding everything practically for free, Sukhoi and the rest are stuck with fixed price contracts that were basically at cost a few years ago and are now actually losing them money because of inflation, the only way for them to make money is selling to foreigners.

Su-57 was actually originally a joint Russian-Indian project called the FGFA, however India pulled out in 2018 saying that the aircraft flat out didn't meet the criteria for fifth gen in terms of stealth and radar performance. So Russia was basically left funding the whole thing by themselves, leading to tiny production numbers for a decade.

>>63956374
Post War German denazification and occupation on steroids + ultra long term Europeanisation. So not feasible beyond a complete military occupation. All that good living space going to waste

>>63956529
It's unrealistic to even expect, nobody would occupy that shithole for 20 years a la Afghanistan to try and nation build a normal society there.

>>63956055
>>63956188
>>63956201
All her tactics ever amounted to appropriation of resources without compensation ie. larceny. She also uses this neat little trick
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mefo_bills
with some modern excel work and offshore accounting tacked on to hide real costs of the war.

>>63955435
>>63955443
>unironically using the retarded sims of a SEAjeet

>>63956547
why not? Russia consists of two cities and the rest is Alaska tier wasteland that just looks big on the map

both japan and germany had much higher relative population density for their territory compared to the remnants of ussr today

>>63956716
Both Germany and Japan actually had non-degenerate culture to fall back on. Russia does not. You'll have to occupy it for at least 20-30 years until a new generation brought up in normalcy (where media, school, police, courts and other shit will be managed by foreigners) can cement its position in society. With small birth rates that makes things even harder, because the portion of compromised old fucks will still be large and they can literally outvote the normal people.

>>63956732
Speaking of generations, haven't they been teaching all their kids for a few years that Russia never dindu nuffin, everyone else wants to genocide and/or rob them and historically, all of Eastern Europe actually belongs to them?
Wonder how seriously they're listening to that stuff. It's got to leave its mark on them anyways.

They also banned education in languages other than Russian, possibly in an effort to assimilate all those minorities that are outbreeding the Russian Slav by far.
Which is pretty interesting since they like to portray themselves as this multi-ethnic bringer of civilization to all of Eurasia.

>>63956327
It's all kind of a mess. The latest Su-35s have the best radar and engines, some of the Su-30 MKI/MKM/MKK/SM have really nice French or Israeli avionics and sensors, some have Russian (((equivalents))), and some have Indian '''''''''equivalents''''''''' but they all seem to really benefit operationally from having two seats. If it weren't for the competing design bureaus and sanction whack-a-mole and pretending the Su-57 is a serious project they could devise one true Su-30 MKMMMKKMSMMS Ultra-Flanker with the best of everything. On the other hand it is entirely possible that the 'new N035 radar' and the 'new updated AL-41F2whatever engines' are just the N011M and AL-31FP with new numbers stamped on them.

>>63956795
>Speaking of generations, haven't they been teaching all their kids for a few years that Russia never dindu nuffin, everyone else wants to genocide and/or rob them and historically, all of Eastern Europe actually belongs to them?
They've been teaching that for decades at least

>>63956817
on a completely different note I find SU30 MKI pilots to be insufferable bastards

>>63955244
>How so?
Because they shoot down previous deals with India when they asked for domestic production rights. Them offering this sort of deal themselves means the situation is really fucking grim.
>It's state-owned, they have unlimited resources.
Russians already tried that game once. It didn't go well.

>>63956055
>>63956597
She wanted to resign but Monke said HET. Even she know's it's a ticking time bomb.

>>63956374
Robo-Stalin

>>63956055
Anyone has pics of her in her 20s? Asking for a friend for, eh, tactical implications.

>>63955244
Didn't know Zimbabwe and venezuelan economists post here.

>>63956374
You can't radically shift a collective that has for centuries normalized ruthless autocratic kleptocracies that have pervaded society on every level and have created a situation where the social contract is upturned into a truly hobbesian nightmare where the life of the individual is seen as worthless and truth is dictated by propagandists. The only options are containment, deterrence, sabotage, and attrition through proxy wars until the whole apparatus collapses in such a cataclysmic fashion that it cannot longer recover, and thus no longer pose a threat.

Put succinctly, Lord Palmerston had the right idea.

>>63956222
Russians won't be this stupid...
Oh well, I wonder who is next in succession.

>>63956380
>Russia gets absorbed into China
>Chinese population collapses from STDs

>>63956877
>They've been teaching that for decades at least
Yeah, of course they did under the Soviet Union, but the indoctrination level in modern Russia's probably almost as bad if not actually worse now.
Maybe it was just because the government didn't have anything under control back then, but there was a time during which the schools could make decisions about what to include in their curriculum, and they could leave out the propaganda trash. Probably wasn't very useful pedagogical material anyways.
It's actually kind of followed the same timeline as the elimination of meaningful public opinion and debate as the Kremlin inner circle's brought all media and political parties under their control since 2010. 2014 was a big turning point here as they rewrote their history books and started bringing the education system fully under monke control.

It's much worse than that now. In 2022, their Minister of Education (sanctioned for his program to "integrate" Ukrainian children) ordered schools to teach Kremlin-approved history from 1st grade. They also have dozens of patriotism-themed "Important Things" days a year, where they cover things that are important to the Pootinate world view, pretty similarly to Soviet "patriotic education". Teachers found skipping or toning down these with reason are fired.
Some of the more military-themed ones also teach the children of the glory of sacrificing one's life for the greatness of the motherland and such.

>>63956817
>The latest Su-35s have the best radar and engines
Better than J-16?

>>63956909
Why?

>>63957092
>Yeah, of course they did under the Soviet Union
Nah, even before 2022. What most people don't realize that a ton of central pillars of the russian propaganda and delusional mindset are based on their culture itself. So even when during 90s and early 2000s there was not much aggressive propaganda in schools, the kids would still be brought up in an environment filled with fucked up culture.

Thats a huge win for India if Russians are getting desperate.

>>63957221
>Better than J-16?
1990s spec AL-31s are better engines than current production WS-10s. China is only putting WS-10s in their Flankers because Russia isn't selling them new AL-31s (Russia was only willing to sell the engines along with airframes and now has none of either to spare). China will pass Russia in turbofan performance eventually, but it has not happened yet.

>>63957221
When I was like 8 or 9 one of em punched me hard for no reason inside my own house and a lot of them have sky high egos flying what's essentially a transport sized jet which is dogshit imo
The seats are also lowk a pain

>>63955216 (OP)
ARMATARD IS BACK WITH STALE SPAM

HELLO ARMATARD OR SHOUDL WE SAY JEETTARD? LICK THAT KREMLIN BOOT POST THATSHIT

>>63955244
>It's state-owned, they have unlimited resources.
YOU'RE BROWN

>>63955247
It's Russia
So
10 Print "Super deuper"
20 Print "Stealth"
20 Print "LOOK TURDIES JUST LIKE THE WEST"
30 GOTO 80
# 01/05/1990 BLAYT FIX TOMORROW
#JUST TELL BIG BOSS IS OK FOR NOW

>>63957323
The 10B is similar and replaced the russian 31FM2, a 2012 engine extensively modernized to improve engine life, thrust and TWR. It's the equivalent of the improved F110 and F100 (the high thrust variant of the EFE) using tech developed for the engines of the ATF competition.
The derivative 41 is their only engine in service that is better.

>>63955244
>It's state-owned, they have unlimited resources.

you sound like /k mod material, they will probably hire you right away for $0 a month

>>63956380
I'm surprised the Chinks haven't tried to salami slice back some land they lost to Russia under Mao. They smell blood in the water with the state of Russia in 2025 that's for sure.

>>63956716
This is terrible data visualization because there's a whole line of Russia's largest cities along the trans-siberian railway that from this angle are hidden by the Moscow behemoth

>>63957434
Was he your father?

>>63956223
I hope to god that Belarus will one day be free

>>63955475
>Indians are fucking stupid

>>63955665
>>63955443
>>63955665
https://basicsaboutaerodynamicsandavionics.wordpress.com/
I think this is the source if anyone else is interested. Has F-35A and J-20 simulations as well.

>>63955813
America owes India nothing but a nuclear winter

>>63957062
both japan and germany could be broken down to their atoms and reassembled into a functional, normal country. Both had centuries worth of wannabe king/baron/whatever rule in the cultural zeitgeist. In nippon case they did not even have any experience with european enlightenment ideas which led to the modern state

>>63956795
>Wonder how seriously they're listening to that stuff
marxists always targeted as young as possible because their brains are soft and easily impressionable. Propaganda is exceedingly effective on younglings and teenagers. Specially as it encompasses peer pressure

>>63957516
it might as well be accurate. pidorsburg and muscovia are the only cities that matter in any capacity. rest of vatnikstan consists of colonial oblasts deliberately kept underdeveloped and retarded to feed the imperial heart

vatnikstan is pretty small in reality and mostly consists of empty wilderness they lay claim to but never actually do anything with. Other then mass kill their political enemies in it that is

>>63955244
people are bashing you about the unlimited resources thing, but honestly if you're used to the dollar system operation, your brain would definitely be deranged enough to think that. American weapon companies do get unlimited resources

>>63957466
The 10B is substantially worse than the 31FM2 by every metric except for the one that trumps all others: it is available for China to put into aircraft. They are using it instead of AL-31s for the same reason that they are using it instead of F119s.

>>63958261
But then how will we import more poos to replace the natives? :^)

>>63958261
A regular ass winter will probably freeze tens of millions there.

>>63958554
>by every metric except for the one that trumps all others:
>same thrust
>same TBO (China even reused the tech of the 10A to make spares for the old AL-31 of the J-11 and extend their service life)
>FADEC like the FM2
>already approved for naval operation
You're thinking in the pre-2010 10A that was the best they could do initially. After 2015 the reorganization of the WS-10 project resulted in the superior 10B.

>>63955244
>they have unlimited resources
man this was great do it again sometime

>>63957600
Nah, it was our upstairs neighbour, dad flew floggers

>>63958303
Fantastically retarded post.

>>63956055
I remember watching first council of RF after the start of the war.
That was her face the whole time.
She already knew what a clusterfuck it's going to be.

>>63955244
>It's state-owned, they have unlimited resources.
So just like in USSR? Can't find it on a map for some reason..

>>63956188
She is competent
She wanted to resign
She is sane

If Russia would not regularly murder such people, it wouldnt be russia.
shes as good as dead.

>>63955216 (OP)
For once, I actually think they should stick with the Tejas.

>>63955216 (OP)
>would grant India access to source codes
How would India know they had the full source code, not some monkey model version of it?

>>63959895
indians are very smart that's how

>>63955216 (OP)
Isn't the "E" designation already shooting themselves in the foot? They're trying to make it seem like they're getting the same plane that Russians themselves operate but designating it an export variant achieves the complete opposite since Russians are notorious for calling all their overseas shit "monkey models"

>>63955732
Bro whatever shitty country you live in has some absolutely retarded ceremonial drill too, it's part of military culture

>>63956795
>Russia never dindu nuffin, everyone else wants to genocide
There is no way they should be occupied or allowed to rebuild their military strength once this war is over. Unironically, draw some borders that give everyone relevant a slice of the territorial pie and impose a FINAL SOLUTION TO THE RUSSIAN QUESTION. They have imposed themselves on the world so many countless times, it's high time that stopped. Forever.

>>63960007
west is too soft for this kind of action. will never happen.
russia will struggle for some 20-30 years then get back to it's usual antics.

>>63955216 (OP)
hahaha oh dear... not even the poos will want this shit

>>63956374
Dig a trench around the country, fill it with radioactive isotopes, and let evolution take its course. In five hundred years, Russia will either be a functioning society or as dead as the moon, but either way, they will finally be free

>>63956374
The sad truth is that Truth, Justice, Democracy, Liberty, yadda yadda (aka "The Western Way of Life") are freak accidents of history.

The default state of 99% of mankind, for 99% of its history, has been to live in form of another of ziggerstan: a shithole ruled over by psychopaths who, if you don't bow to their violence, threaten more violence. (Nasty, Brutish, and Short). The only times they can have good times is when they can capture and devour someone else (conquer and plunder, leading to a temporary glut). It is simple predation ecology on a societal level.

The only true Solution is extermination, let's hope we're lucky enough to realize this before they drag us down forever. The Western Way is exceptional beyond comparison, and it's unlikely to repeat itself.

>>63960012
As a uni student in a wildly unrelated field, I developed a retrovirus 16 year ago that would render the offspring of eastern slavs infertile. We have the technology....

>>63960104
>eastern slavs
russia will be an asian country in like a decade or two

>>63956432
>FGFA
more commonly known as PAK-FA

>>63956055
> woman
> competent
your brain on koolaid and propaganda huh

>>63955216 (OP)
Su-57 isn't a stealth fighter though

>>63960155
Compared to regular russian officials, all of which are hired based on being loyal yesman with dirt on them, even some roastie can be competent

>>63955644
you can just say things)))

>>63955649
They train alright, their pilot just die training in their outdated Sepecat Jaguar. They just had another crash today, killing both the pilots.

The entire Indian air force is an unmitigated disaster, and Indian just inject copium instead of doing anything about it.

>>63956045
How does one bankrupt their defense firms in the middle of a war economy?

>>63960402
you can tell the US would survive a nuclear attack much better with how spread out their population is compared to the two big russian cities.

>>63960409
>They train alright
No, they don't. They don't even reach the lousy amount of flight hours that the notoriously unqualified russian pilots do.
>India is an unmitigated disaster
ftfy

>>63960402
you really don't know how to read a population density map and it shows

>>63960510
Is that what the map is? the LA CSA is almost the same size as the NY one (both in population and land area i think, definitely population but bakersfield is 90% desert so that might skew land area)

>>63960601
NYC has more than double the population of LA and is more densely packed.

>>63960934
NYC CSA = 22.5mil
LA CSA = 18.5
So not as close as i thought but not half the size. Just looking at the Metro areas is closer to that but for LA at least it's kind of hard to ignore how important LA is to the existence of the inland empire.

>>63956199
As they always say, don't listen to what Russians say look at what they do.

>>63956290
>you
>vs
>the guy she tells you not to worry about

>>63960423
>How does one bankrupt their defense firms in the middle of a war economy?
Just don't pay them enough to handle the increasing costs, I guess.
Sure, the execs probably don't like it. They probably also know what might happen if they displease their masters.

>>63960423
Raw materials still cost money and it gets worse once you introduce high-tech components that you can't produce locally and have to import while under sanctions.

>>63956415
Well no, because the russian brain doesn't take away the same lessons from that as normal humans do

>>63959959
Of course, Rakesh, most serious militaries literally also do this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXoWNe_HAak

Retard.

>>63960409
They legit planned to sacrifice all their floggers to China back in the late 2000s just because they deluded themselves into thinking they're good planes

>>63965261
qrd?

>>63960409
I will not have you shit talk the Jaaaaaag.