Guys the Australian Prime Minister just did a speech about becoming more independent from America. This is in response to tariffs, demands to increase defence spending and Elbridge Colby's review of AUKUS.

Australia's don't support this but el Cheeto is making it very hard to argue against lefties who are pushing to decouple from the US.

My question though is what happens to chinese containment ifAustralia goes neutral / China leaning?

Source:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=angnhO-jOSI

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-07-04/anthony-albanese-champions-australian-independence-/105497350

https://www.9news.com.au/national/anthony-albanese-makes-subtle-attempt-to-distance-australia-reliance-on-usa-keynote-speech-john-curtin/94528e5d-a6d2-4a2a-b04f-1d191b9a2aa5

>>63955306 (OP)
Does this mean we will not get the HACM‘s? If so then I’m sad

>>63955306 (OP)
Don't they have this talk every time our guy in charge doesn't do exactly what they want? I could've sworn there were mumbles of that under Biden thanks to his tepid response to Russia. What I'm saying is, I wish they would. A more independent Australia would mean we get a return of Australian cars and the Barra 6

>>63955306 (OP)
>in response to tariffs, demands to increase defence spending and Elbridge Colby's review of AUKUS.
The issue you have is that you are not Israel.

>>63955314
>independent Australia
It's bullshit though because they define what independence means and to lefties independence= no ANZUS, no security relationship.

If it meant 5-6% defence spending and actual independence then sure but it absolutely doesn't.

>AUKUS
what a deadborn idea to begin with

>>63955318
>Israel
Maybe we draw a nose on our flag

>>63955306 (OP)
Why is it a left/right thing to decouple from the US when the US is going schizophrenic imperialist mode? What is the "right wing" argument for doing whatever Trump says (basically, paying the US and Trump imperial tribute)?

>>63955306 (OP)
>My question though is what happens to chinese containment ifAustralia goes neutral / China leaning?
Very little in the short term. Not being able to use Australia as a base to interfere with Chinese shipping is a big loss, but that's about it. More than a decade of terrible procurement has ruined the Australian Navy; it's a complete fucking joke in terms of firepower and range. Australia would contribute very little to a 2027 Taiwan Crisis.

>do nothing
>win

>>63955306 (OP)
>what happens to chinese containment
It disappears and the US wastes 80 years of developing the world's largest aircraft carrier. The sheer amount of time and effort put into making Australia a comfortable subordinate is staggering, and acting like a schizo (or going after socialized medicine) is the only thing that can actually shake those foundations. Imagine having a permanent air and sea resupply station and carrier, which is a giant buffer for all trade routes, manned by ride or die homies, who freely warcrime YOUR enemies just because you asked, and throwing it away.

yeah now those frog subs don't look so bad now huh ? lmao

>>63955306 (OP)
We're not going to drop the alliance, get that through your thick head. Every level of government top to bottom is fully supportive of the US alliance, even if the actual populace isn't. The only way we stop supporting the US is if they ask us to, which given how retarded things are over there is a possibility. Now if they continue this level of retardation beyond Trump's term then things might be in trouble.

It's incredibly hilarious how fucking stupid and retarded the US electorate is.

>>63955375
>We're not going to drop the alliance,
No doubt but difficult to see how the US can call on Japan, Australia etc to participate in a kinetic boogaloo while the US are pounding them with tariffs / pissing them off completely.

>>63955380
>>63955364
Fuck off commie

>>63955380
That's what happens when you defund schools and mental asylums

>>63955328
>deadborn
Does ANYONE who posts in these concern threads speak english?

>>63955306 (OP)
Australia is owned by the British King so it's not entirely a US vassal and the King has threatened the US with nooks if he loses Canada. Australia is aligned with Britain first and US only second. The US must work on turning those countries into republics first before they can be good vassals.

>>63955306 (OP)
Its a massive problem because the orange cunt doesn't know what he wants to do from one moment to the next. Wind blows he flip llops like a beached fish and has this massive narcissistic agenda that essentially ends up being a mix of extortion and stupidity because it essentially ignores prior history between allies. You can't really work with someone like that, the mix of senility and psychosis is a no-win situation in negotiations, the only real thing he seems to make him act like an adult for a minute is Epstein records, Hebrew Bleating and Putin sexy phone calls.
Anything else, may as well not matter.
There are no adults in the room
We're kind of fucked until the yanks get rid of him, he dies or someone shoots him again, until then its probably just easier to keep our head down, don't start some mad shit and pick up the mess a few years later on when things aren't nearly as fucking retarded. Realistically he US has been one of the better allies we can have, despite the forever wars and other shenanigans

>>63955312
>requestions
I see Sky News have embraced LLM written/hallucinated articles now.
Only a matter of time for those cunts.

>>63955306 (OP)
>This is in response to tariffs
No it isn't, it's because the POTUS has said he won't honor defensive agreements and we are fully dependant on the US for defence.
>Australia's don't support this
Yes we do.
>what happens to chinese containment ifAustralia goes neutral / China leaning?
I hope we go neutral, you can fight China if you want, I'll watch.

Unless you're Israel, the US doesn't really care too much about you, no matter what they say or what you do for them. Fighting wars for them? They don't care. Having the privilege of buying their weapons is doing them a favor, not you.

China would probably be a better ally to Oz, as hilarious as that reads.

>>63955341
>What is the "right wing" argument for doing whatever Trump says
Owning the libs.
It's not as strong here but it exists.
The main reasons probably vary by class; the poor are told it's about the yellow peril and Chinese taking jobs and homes and the rich don't want their exports tariffed.

>>63955314
>would mean we get a return of Australian cars
Lol no, the free market peruses lower wages, if you want cars made here that means state ownership because the free market isn't going to pay more for labor.

>>63955411
>Australia is aligned with Britain first and US only second
Possibly in a US/UK war but otherwise, Australia is closer to the US by a lot.
There are very few legal ties or benefits to the UK/Au relationship. It's mostly just linguistic and historical.

>>63955380
In their defence you could vote for either candidate in the last 80 years and get the same geopol and use of soft power, Trump is the first time the ballet contained someone that will destroy decades old alliances.

>>63955416
I legit would not be surprised if someone in their arms industry arranges to have him taken care of. He has completely fucked their potential export market for generations.

>>63955434
The AU regime is literally king Charles client government whose sole purpose is to serve him lmao.
>It's mostly just linguistic and historical.
That's how his propaganda goes and you recite it like a pupil so you're pretty well educated.

>>63955416
Blaming everything on Trump is the midwit take, he has the support of the supreme court and more than half of congress. This is why Trump leaving office in 4 years won't make things go back to normal, too many other people went along with him to pretend it was a single actor.

>>63955421
> China would probably be a better ally to Oz, as hilarious as that reads.
It's not even funny. It's very true. China is Australia's largest trading partner by far, and a formal alliance would possibly double or triple trade volume. Australia's economy would benefit tremendously.

>>63955416
>pick up the mess a few years later on when things aren't nearly as fucking retarded.
Yanks won't stop being fucktarded in the near future, if anything their political schizophrenia and polarisation will only get worse. How can you trust a nation in which half of the electorate wants Trump to rule in perpetuity and to own the foreign libs (EU, UK, CAN, AUSNZ) so trannies die or something?

>>63955451
Also, China doesn't WANT anything from its allies. Just "let's conduct trade with few restrictions," "you mind your own business, we'll mind ours," and "if we give you a loan, we'll take collateral or you'll pay it back."
In contrast, America browbeats and hectors its "allies," threatens them, and is as unpredictable and mercurial as a woman.

>>63955448
Yep. The Republicans are fully on-board with Trump and will not go back to the Bush years. The US will continue its schizoid foreign policy, brazen strong-arming and idolisation of autocrats until they figure proper parliamentarism out or they find a release valve for the alleged grievances that their mouthbreathing electorate has.

>>63955456
>China doesn't WANT anything from its allies
It does, it traps them in debt with Belt and Roads then takes ownership of strategic sites like ports as payment.
The difference with Australia is we are rich enough to avoid forfeiting.

>>63955461
The GOP voter is broke as shit same as everyone else, they just still think they are temporarily embarrassed billionaires and don't understand the economic conditions of the 50s were a direct result of high taxes and government spending.

>>63955306 (OP)
So are they getting their subs or not?

>>63955467
Lol no, our Libs (right party) signed a contract that says we'll pay billions and maybe the US will give us subs if they feel like it.
There is no reason for the US to honor this deal other than maintaining soft power and we have seen what the GOP thinks of soft power.

>>63955461
>>63955452
Here's hoping that Trump II will be such a disappointment and a disaster that more balanced views return to the fore. However, knowing just how abjectly stupid and easily misled the average American voter is, that hope might be a pipedream. GOP found its winning strategy with deep cuts into education starting in the 2000's.

>>63955451
China is a fully dependent servant of the US. China will never be a power, not even a regional one. They have no energy and no food security. They need the US dollar to live an they are a submissive slave race whose entire existence is built on serving America. Slaves are system adopters and followers, not system builders. China lives inside the American system and plays by American rules, more obediently than anyone else. They even sanction their own companies to obey US law. There can be no "allies" between dependent slaves. Anyone who says China can be anyone's ally has no idea what he's talking about.

>>63955306 (OP)
He's still going to poison your housing market and keep the US glowie base in the outback
Increased defence spending and buying American toys are ideals in comparison

>>63955474
> They have no energy and no food security
lol, you really haven't been paying attention, huh?
They have energy security, for among other reasons, they're right next door to their ally Russia.
As for food:
> https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2025/04/15/chinas-food-security-achievements-challenges-and-the-path-ahead/
Literally the only thing they import in bulk is soi. They'd probably be better off without it.
> They even sanction their own companies to obey US law.
Huawei is the most sanctioned company out there, and it's doing great.

>>63955306 (OP)
Many seething Australians on /k/ have already been sounding the alarm since the US decided to sell the F-35 to Singapore as they believe it compromises Australia's air defense to China. While the US can afford to replace the F-35 with something new in 20 years Australians are going to be stuck with them for at least 50.

Let me start by saying I'm actually fairly pissed about this. Singapore isn't a trusted ally that we know is going to defend F-35 design secrets and they're way too close to China's sphere of influence.

In all seriousness, perhaps we could protest our concerns to the American military. American Anons can protest in DC, or in the downtown of their city, or by their closest military base or recruiting station. At the same time, the rest of us can begin the social media campaign to prevent these sales. The PLA may already have stolen the F-35's secrets, but we won't just let the military hand them over 12 fucking planes. If enough of us protest and if we are loud enough, they will hear, and at the very least, other Americans will hear. More people must know of the Chinese menace.

What would probably work to stop delivery would be to tweet at Trump, Hegseth, Musk, MGT ect. that Singapore is taking delivery in 2026. The bad PR might make them cancel as it's only 12 planes and not a lot of money.

>>63955467
No, because America needs them more for the pacific than an ally who would be fighting for them in the....

Oh.

>>63955476
>He's still going to poison your housing market
>Implying the housing market hasn’t been fucked for the past decade

>>63955467
Depends if the US can even fucking build them. They need 2.3 a year to replace the retiring Los Angeles' and they're currently on 1.

>>63955476
>>63955510
>median aussie house price has increased 1800% over the last 40 years
Implying it's just a decade, it started under Howard.

>>63955448
Let me spell it out again-
>There are no adults in the room
There's senile old cunts, people who can't get elected unless they're on the popularist band wagon and none of them are going to say a single fucking word against him.
There is no one in the US that's willing to stand up to the cunt and say "That is fucking retarded!" because they get dog-piled and the whole tariff thing shows exactly that there are no adults, there is no one willing to stand up for any kind of republican or conservative ideals.

Its the Trump Party and you fucking know it
>oh and the heeb donors, they get a say

>>63955527
That's what I'm saying, those same cowards will nod and vote yes for anyone that maintains their seat meaning that once Trump is gone thy remain a security risk for any US ally.

>>63955314
>Don't they have this talk every time our guy in charge doesn't do exactly what they want?
The issue at hand is that it happened twice now and it is likely to keep happening in an unpredictable fashion. If you have to deal with that sort of volatility, it's clear that any long term partnerships are off the table.
It's not a problem that Trump isn't being a good ally, it's the extreme inconsistency in policy enabled by the exaggerated power of the predicency and the big tent nature of the US political system.

>>63955527
Old men running the world!

>>63955306 (OP)
yeap the tarrifs were the problem
not the fact that usa lied about aukus LOL

>>63955539
The gerontocracy is real, 200 years ago politicians being in their 30s was normal, 100 years ago politicians being in their 40s was normal, today politicians being in their 60s in normal.
Trusting the future to those that won't live to see it is not a smart move.

>>63955545
I think it's funny how Amerifats incessantly whined about demented Biden, yet voted for another demented asshole in droves.

>>63955539
Boomers were already bad enough of a fucking menace clogging up housing and healthcare, now can't get rid of the self-entitled fuckers out of politics either.

>>63955551
Well it was either that or a woman

>>63955486
>muh pla
>if only daddy trump knew
>reddit spacing
checks out

>>63955442
I don't think Trump was ever in a ballet.

>>63955590
I bet he's good on his toes. Dammit now I want to see old man ballet, sounds hilarious

>>63955434
>Australia is closer to the US by a lot
Let's revisit this idea by 2028.

>>63955594
Boomer Ballet you say?

>>63955594
Ballet dancers are insanely strong, they have legs that put most bodybuilders to shame.

>>63955451
And there it is, proof positive that this thread is just a pack same-fagging chinks.

>>63955314
its not even specific to agent orange, its the instability of US foreign policy. Every 4 years there is another schizophrenic episode. Last round they were trying to timidly oppose vatniks, now they are outright simping for them. What will happen in the next four years? A full blown china simp in washington? Or back again to "opposing" vatnikism while tying east euro hands behind their back with millions on restrictions. Out of fear what will happen when ziggers get their ass handed to them

or whats stopping same shit from happening with a war with china
>taiwan gets sieged
>US drags its feet hoping it falls before it has to do anything
>taiwan holds out
>US starts actively sabotaging everybody in the region by refusing direct confrontation and putting restriction on everybody using anything that has US components in it
>using kill switches on US weapon systems that don't comply. like they did with the ukranians in their first simp out

US going full blown isolationist with a "I dont give a fuck what you do with the weapons as long as you pay for them in full" would be even a better version then what is going on now

Wow, turns out not being a reliable ally and trading partner has consequences.

>>63955627
>using kill switches on US weapon systems that don't comply. like they did with the ukranians in their first simp out
The what now?

>>63955380
their choice last round was between agent orange and a woke voter repellent.

they have a system where there can be only two parties and only two parties that ever get any power. Instead of normal multi party countries where the schizos and fifth columnists segregate into their own containment zones where coalitions of moderates can block them from real power. Instead said head cases end up in these big parties where the extremist purity spiral and take over.

It used to be that the party itself acted as a filter as moderates had control over marketing and financing of campaigns. But with the age of social media any moron can get a megaphone and start riling up the other tards on the net

>>63955597
Military it has been since the 40s since the British Empite got overextended and later died

>>63955533
You knew what you were signing up for when you agreed to be an ally. It's not like we're hiding the fact we change leaders every 4-8 years, in fact it seems like foreigners have more interest in our president than the average Joe on the street. Acting like we just suddenly became a volitle and unreliable ally is some astronomical retardation
>>63955627
>le kill switch
I'm going to rip your cock off and beat you to death with it

>>63955467
Smol Indie shipyards pls understand. Get back in 50 years

>>63955632
Yeah but then you get minority majority shit like what happened in Canada where Trudeau won despite nobody wanting him. Seriously I'll give you 5 bucks if you can find me a Canadian who likes Trudeau

>>63955635
>Acting like we just suddenly became a volitle and unreliable ally is some astronomical retardation
No it isn't. This behaviour is unprecedented in modern times.
>Threatning long term loyal allies with annexation and invasion
>"Durr we won't honour these alliances!"
>Cozying up to global rivals that also threaten your should be allies
It has not been the US norm for like fuckall.

>>63955444
US mythical military industrial complex is overhyped crap from conspiracy theories. Many of them started and amplified by zegroids among idiots for very obvious, active measures, reasons.

>Microsoft market cap is 3.7 TRILLION
>Amazon market cap 2.3 TRILLION
>Google market cap 2.1 TRILLION

>Lochkeed Martin, the biggest of the US mil industrial complex fish, market cap is 109 billion...

can you name the CEO of LM without looking it up? Didnt think so. US arms manufacturers just quietly waddle along with whatever schizophrenic episode US foreign policy has now, while techbro billionares behave like shadow prez and when they get shat on become public contenders for raw political power like pringles was to monke

>>63955643
Yeah, we totally weren't *this* close to sitting WWI out if it weren't for Germany chimping out, touching our boat, and telling Mexico they can have a chunk of us. We would never support an ideological rival like a communist country. We'd never ice the leader of a country and replace him with someone more loyal if he steps out of line. Yes all of this is out of left field

>>63955643
Transitioning into the Schizo era of the American Empire was not on my 2025 bingo card. Hopefully it will be painfully short.

>>63955650
Ah the US did this to nations it had military alliances with?

>>63955465
>economic conditions of the 50s were a direct result of
of a world war that burned down the rest of the industrial world except the US

>>63955515
>Implying it's just a decade, it started under Howard.
I’m constantly astonished that just about every thing wrong in this country comes back to Howard, how the fuck did we let him screw us over to this extent?

we need our own nukes if we want to decouple

>>63955533
>exaggerated power of the presidency
that is an understatement. Is the US president some sort of proto emperor? Why is congress only real role to be just as an advisory body to the CEO (pres) who he can but does not have to listen to. Why can the judiciary make any ruling it wants but has exactly zero teeth to physically enforce it?

Also why is the president even directly electable via the electoral college system? Why dont the people elect the congress who then elects a president that assembled the cabinet? That actually functions as a filter to keep hostile fifth column assets out of absolute power

>>63955639
at least castro jr was very consistent in his policies which is already an improvement over extremists.

Only real downside of moderate coalition government is moderate responses to extremist threats. See west euros incredibly sluggish military response to putinism final form. Despite having legion of willing fighters, east euros, just waiting to slaughter them. All they need is tools for the job

With US proto emperor president a right man in the position can yield incredible power to take enormous action, like US back in WW2 and does not fall into the bureaucract-compromiser trap of a traditional prime minister. Flip side is hostile foreign asset gets in there he can single handedly destroy decades worth of goodwill and trust in a few short years

>>63955635
>You knew what you were signing up for when you agreed to be an ally.
Yeah and it wasn't this.

>>63955635
>Acting like we just suddenly became a volitle and unreliable ally is some astronomical retardation
But that is literally what happened from 2016 onwards. The previous 60 years were fine and somewhat predictable for the most part. Even geriatric Reagan had vaguely competent advisors.

>>63955656
He kept winning and used his "mandate" to sell the country off to donors at low low prices.

>totally organic shill posting over tariffs and Trump
>on /k/
I hope you NAFOtroons get shot

>>63955717
Fuck up cunt. I'm sick of trying to defend AUKUS to normies because you faggots have a chip on your shoulder and elected an 80 year old retard. At this point, just give us fucking 688s to tide us over until the bongs can shit out some Astutes for us.
>propaganda
>NAFO
Touch grass cunt. Well more than half of Australia has cold feet about America right now. You don't seem to realise how deranged half the shit that's recently been going on in your country looks - like a fucking banana republic is somehow running America suddenly.

>>63955717
>NAFO
Back to rddit/pol with your greasy dick beaters
The only people who use that term are fucking tourists outing themselves as the 3rd world genetic debris they are

>>63955745
This is my problem. Youre viewing the entire issue thru a foreign lens and the most pozzed unfavorable reporting. Then cutting it up with the takes of a 40 year old single white lady to reach a stupid conclusion.

>>63955306 (OP)
It's over

>>63955635
>You knew what you were signing up for when you agreed to be an ally.
That's the thing. USA used to be stable, predictable and dependable. Now it's a coin toss if we get stability and predictablility.

>>63955765

>>63955765
>>63955770
I for one, welcome our insect overlords.

>>63955306 (OP)
OP here. To clarify this is not an anti-Trump thread and it's not concern trolling. I like MAGA and America First is well overdue but as an Australian I'm absolutely baffled by MIGA foreign policy. Alienating eurofags and others makes sense? But Japan? Australia?

Absolutely makes no sense to me. Anything we want to do in the Indo-Pacific is literally impossible without Japan and near impossible without Korea and Australia, and yet all three are looking at moving away from the US.

I like the US and MAGA (MIGA can go fuck itself) but I'm genuinely concerned where we go from here if current bullshit persists, especially if it limits our ability to counter chang.

>>63955761
As opposed to you filtering your views through an anonymous imageboard's FSB honeypot board and seething about some redditor movement like a fucking obsessed faggot? You're propagandized and you don't even realize it. You're so deep in it that you won't, or even can't, take an outside observer's stance and see how the US's behaviour looks like to not only its allies, but its adversaries. You'll of course seethe about trannies or NAFO or reddit at me, which will prove me right.

Does this really matter when china is on the brink of total collapse anyway?

>>63955778
>>63955780
AUS and JPN need to spend more, simple as. I've seen no signals of a broader US realignment. We still station thousands of troops, participate in exercises, share intelligence, etc. That's why I don't understand this overreaction to basic diplomatic posturing. Regarding AUKUS blame Biden for promising subs we don't fucking have.

>>63955796
>spend more
>us doesn't supply what it commits to after sabotaging a deal already in place with france

>>63955796
Trump has been in office for six months. Yeah no shit there hasn’t been much official policy changes yet. Countries move slow even in th best of times, a couple more years of Trump chomping out and we’ll see what happens

>>63955778
>Alienating eurofags and others makes sense? But Japan? Australia?
>NOOOO YOU CAN ALIENATE THOSE BIG DADDY USA BUT NOT US PLEASE
just lol
an authoritarian isolationist movement alienates its foreigner allies and you're surprised
besides, even if MIGA would've only alienated the eurofags, how would that look to pacific allies? would JPN/KOR et al. trust the US to uphold its end of the bargain after such a retarded move? the issue of trust and stability is the core issue, not the fact that MIGA tells yuros to pay for defense

These wumao threads are equal parts funny and sad

>>63955745
Nah you fuck off aussie. You can’t even make a fair legal deal with your own civilian population let alone the fucking abbos. You’re incapable. It’s not a lie to say you’re America 2.0 with far more to totalitarian control than they could ever dream of. Aussies are bootlicking fuckwits. You even had your police forces basically playing line for line, murder for murder play by play with organised crime. There’s not a single thing in Australia thats not dominated by political totalitarian viewpoints. You won’t even let people play shitty Ps1 games, they’re still on your shitty banned list. You’re like the worst parts of the British and New Zealand government all wrapped up in one arse tongueing package. Even with the 501s you Aussie faggots are just trying to stick it to the commie kiwis, you have no actual plan to get rid of all the Lebanese gangsters flooding your cities.