post yer preferred hunks to sail these seven seas, lads, and make quick about it afore yer sent to the brig!

>>63956011 (OP)
>post yer preferred hunks to sail these seven seas

>>63956011 (OP)
If it be privateers yer on about, there be none other than the original in modern form. Avast ye!

>>63956702
No butt pirates allowed!

>>63956702
Raise the black flag and let hell loose!

>>63956011 (OP)
Why are light frigates now a lost technology for the US Navy?

>>63956818
I'd assume the Arleigh's fit the same mission profile but were better at it.
Although the US is going back to the frigate, they're building the Constellation-class at the minute, I think 20 are planned.

>>63956011 (OP)
Stupid mutt.

Something has them *really* mad today.

>>63956818
the USN is trying to fit too much stuff on a 7,000 ton hull. i wouldn't even call that lightweight, there are still frigates being made in the 4-5,000 ton range, but they need to sacrifice something tp get it together

>>63956818
>>63956912
>>63957098
license manufacture the JMSDF Asashi class and call it a fucking day. they already have ESSM and Japan's domestic copy of the Harpoon along with a 3D AESA surveillance system.

>>63956011 (OP)
Probably Turkish G class Frigate, essentially a modernized OHP

Reminder that US navy could take a OPP design and modernized it to 21st century standard, build it and we wouldn't be in 30 billion dollar debacle that is LCS programme

>>63957098
It's just one design bloat after another.
They want AEGIS, despite no other country operating both frigates and destroyers is putting an area intercept radar on theirs (that's reserved for the destroyers).
They want it to tank AShMs, despite no frigate design currently in service has this capability.
They want it to carry 16 NSM(-ER), even though they also carry Tomahawks (pretty much every other frigate armed with a combo of AShMs and ShLCMs only carries 8).
And so on...

>>63959802
Urgh, had an ESL moment.
>despite no frigate design currently in service has this capability.
despite no frigate design currently in service *having* this capability.

>>63956011 (OP)
Arr any you fine gentlemen lend at tow. Me reactor blew it pipes again

>>63956818
"Frigate" might as well just mean "main battle ship" now.

>>63960128
Modern ones yes. Cold War ones were sexy as fuck.

>>63956818
they don't actually want to make a frigate, rather just a slightly smaller and cheaper destroyer.

something like the mogami-class is what they should have gone with, which is far closer to a perry in capabilities and size.

>>63956011 (OP)

>>63959182
This guy fucks, though I'd go with the Bonifaz class myself, but Spain and Japan are who I'd trust for non American AEGIS vessels

have to give it to my girl

>>63961135

i like gunboats

>>63957098
>too much
you have no way of judging how much is too much

>>63959182
>license manufacture
aka how to pay more in support costs, kill your own ship design industry, and use an inferior product, for the sake of short-term unit cost savings

>>63959802
>they want it to carry five dual-purpose 5" guns and ten 40mm Bofors despite no destroyer currently in service having this capability
you will never be a naval superpower if you only do what has already been done

>>63960205
>frigate, rather just a slightly smaller and cheaper destroyer
that's what a frigate is
>which is far closer to a perry in capabilities and size
and when the US Navy was designing the Perry, you would have said
>something like the Minegumo-class is what they should have gone with

Needs more Nips.

>>63961988
>kill your own ship design industry
my mistake it's been doing so well with LCS, Zumwalt, and Constellation nevermind Constellation is already based on a foreign Yurocuck hull
>inferior product
?
It's a ~6000 ton DD/FFG with ESSM, ASROC, AShM launchers, and 3D X and S-band radars. That is what FFGX should have been aimed at acquiring.

SusSEX

>>63962106
why are County's (Counties?) are obscenely good looking

Roll on roll of aircraft carrier.
Needs CIWS

None of you fags posted the eagle which is the only choice

>>63962137
I think it's a combination of factors: the high length to beam ratio, the raked funnels, the slender pole masts, the shape of the turrets (for admittedly useless reasons) that give them an almost Art Deco elegance that's lacking in a lot of other heavy cruiser designs.

I love these tenacious little rascals so much it's unreal.

>>63962137
>are are
note to self; proofread or become a pirate

>>63962212
gotta admit, i dont think they're the prettiest ships ever built (that honor goes to the Galissonnieres or the final two Condottieris) but they just work
they're just classy or elegant idk

>Her flat bottom don't allow her to take high seas well, but her l-w ratio make hard to capsize as fuck
>On the East Coast or outside of Vancouver island, they're pukefests for shads (not related to a certain Scandinavian artist)
>Pic related was made a cause célèbre to cancel drinking at sea in the RCN in 2014 even though we all know it is the Calgary's fault
>Only armed with 2 M2s and a bunch of C8s and pistols
>Never did much minesweeping
>All evolutions are all hands turn-to
But man it is nice being an engineer on a MCDV and I would not do it differently.

>>63962137
Heavily armed ocean liner aesthetic just works, they're gorgeous

>>63962057
I'll take a Maya class, kudasai.

>>63959182
What's the mission profile here? Does it have ship sinkers?

>>63956011 (OP)
Just replace one of your super tanker or bulks cargo carriers ships boats with us and winch us over the side every time you enter pirate infested waters.

I'll do it for free. All i need is minimum wage for the crew while deployed, food, fuel and a generous supply of 14.5mm.

>>63962319
>Kingston-class coastal defence vessel
>no real weapons
Defense against what? What's the point of these again?

#702 was in town it was named after on Canada Day. I toured it a few times in the past. Tried to convince them to see the engineroom but no joy. When it was in town on Canada Day 2019 (maybe 2018?) I was on a tour. I hovered near the back of the crowd and as we were passing thru the bridge I looked down at a table (not the map table) and saw an official looking binder with DND: Cryptographic procedures emblazoned on it. I was SO tempted to open it, could easily have done it. I waited until the crowd left then pointed at it and asked if it was appropriate that it be out in the open like that. The crewman went white, thanked me and took it away. Tried to snag a tour of the engine room as a reward. :^)

>was made a cause célèbre to cancel drinking at sea in the RCN in 2014
Ach. That's explains why my offer to also discretely buy them a case of beer for an engine room tour was unsuccessful.

>>63961988
>you will never be a naval superpower if you only do what has already been done
But that's why you're supposed to do a clean-sheet design, rather than get an existing one and trying to hammer it to your specs. And then being surprised it's late and overbudget.

>>63963653
a clean sheet design would have taken even longer

>>63962083
citing LCS and Zumwalt automatically outs you as a pleb
>It's a ~3000 ton DD/FF with twin 3" AA, ASROC, torpedo tubes, and radars. That is what FFG7 should have been aimed at acquiring
once again: Look AHEAD
the proliferation of antiship missiles means that ESSM is outdated and capabilities similar to SM2 or 6 will be the standard "self-defence" AA fit moving forward

>>63962057
>>63962494
Going back some decades but for me the Japanese had the most aesthetically pleasing cruisers of WW2, they just look so right.
Picrel is the Myoko in '41.
I think it's the superstructure, something about it just looks so modern.

If I said I was a frigate, would you believe me?

>>63963931
Maybe it's the camera angle but that ship does not look like it's nearly 150m long.

>>63961988
>that's what a frigate is
not at all. a ffg in us parlance always contained far less anti-air warfare capability as the contemporary ddg, and focused more on general purpose escort duties.

they never should have had 32 cells and the total displacement shouldn't have exceeded 5000 tons (closer to 4000 should have been the goal).

>>63963931
What's with that silly little Alouette on the helipad?

>>63963982
All the budget had left for kek.

>>63963982
It was that or an NH90 so...

>>63963931
>Uses a recycled Canadian gun from the early 1970s
interesting choice

>>63956011 (OP)
I want to bombard pirates with triple 6"ers so bad bros...

>>63964069
Probably got them second-hand and cheaper than new 127/64s.

someone posted this in another thread, it is a railgun on a jap ship, pretty cool

>>63964116
Oh yeah, they were surplus at that point and they got them cheap, it's just kind of interesting to see a gun from the 60s, on a pretty modern looking ship from the 2000s. It would almost be like seeing a 5"/38 on an Arleigh Burke.

>>63964069
>>63964116
>>63965050
They're being replaced as we speak

>>63966101
About damn time lol, those guns are almost old enough to collect social security.

Don't suppose anons have ever built models of ships before?

I like scout cruisers.

>>63966280
I built a pretty good Ticonderoga once
I think it was a 1/700 Revell

>>63962523
fucking video game boss weak point looking radar

>>63963929
All their heavy cruisers look good (I think most IJN ships do really.) Yeah, you can see some similarity with how their ships now look. Guess that's design evolution and knowing what shapes work.

I respect all tastes but nothing does it for me quite like Japanese ships (IJN and JMSDF)

>>63966367
I like double casemate stacks. I don't care if they're stupid.

Out of my way, Aeon Illuminate fucking shits

>>63966901
Between stuff like that and Kearsarge BB, I want to see how the levels of guns interacted with each other. At least with casemates I guess you're not worrying about hoists.

>>63966101
These new guns will also be used on this class' replacement, so they might still be in service in the 70's

>>63966948
This is what the Zumwalt should've been. The Navy has no balls.

>>63959827
Echo 2 Class. Inside probably stunk of vodka, vomit and old sweat .

>>63956093
Fucking textures still havent popped in.

>>63961139
My kinda guy

>>63962185
Amazing how that's only the second best looking Nazi ship to ever serve the United states of America...

Busy week in the world of historic shipwrecks. Known wrecks explored, bow of USS New Orleans found, and the wreck of IJN Teruzuki discovered.

There is a severe lack of italian battleships in this threas. Let me fix that...

>>63969729
speaking of which, we got a clear view of Teruzuki's turrets.

>>63957098
>there are still frigates being made in the 4-5,000 ton range
that's the size of the donor vessel lol

>>63956011 (OP)

>>63963720
>the proliferation of antiship missiles means that ESSM is outdated
Why did USA, Australia, and Japan just go in for over a billion on ESSM Block 2?

Amerigo Vespucci

>>63962185
Damn, that thing used to be known as Horst Wessel. You know, the guy from Horst Wessel Lied, or Die Fahne Hoch, which was the unofficial theme of Nazi Germany.
Why are all of these German, anyway? We have one too, and it was built in Germany, taken by the UK after WW2, and then bought by a Norwegian. She's also the world's fastest ship in her class.

>>63962185
Damn, that thing used to be known as Horst Wessel. You know, the guy from Horst Wessel Lied, or Die Fahne Hoch, which was the unofficial theme of Nazi Germany.
Why are all of these German, anyway? We have one too, and it was built in Germany, taken by the UK after WW1, and then bought by a Norwegian. She's also the world's fastest ship in her class.

My wife. Or husband. Manwife?

>>63974967
does USA, Australia, and Japan only operate ESSM and no other SAM?

>>63975303
>Why are all of these German, anyway?
Because the Germans were the only navy to continue building windjammers into the 20th century.

>>63976742
Them and the Italians I guess. Fun fact: the Amerigo Vespucci had a sister ship, the Cristoforo Colombo. After the war it was given to the Soviets as a war reparation. Those fuckers first repainted her solid grey, instead of her original beautiful white and black colour scheme: Then they fucking burned her.
Russians really can't into ships, can they?

>>63976886
>Russians really can't into ships, can they?
As a staunch moderate, I strongly believe Russians should be forbidden from having any sort of navy.

>>63976886
>Russians really can't into ships, can they?
Ships are beautiful. They're genetically incapable of understanding beauty.

>>63976930
>>63976939
They are physically and spiritually incompatible.

>>63976696
Ah, I see we are already shifting the goalposts.
Let's try being more direct then: Doesn't the fact that several large maritime militaries are investing heavily in ESSM suggest that they think it is going to be an important tool in the near future of naval conflict?

I don't know why but soviet cruisers make me hard.

>>63978265
few more

>>63978269

>>63978265
>>63978269
>>63978273
All of these look like something the Orks from Warhammer would come up with. they are mostly unelegant, with a million different radars slapped on seemingly at random, and with big ass missiles right there on the deck.
I can't say that they are good looking, but I agree that they have their charm

>>63978293
yeah that's why I love em so much.
The 'Aviation Cruisers' too man, they look like a hasty wartime conversion until you realise they were built like that from the keel up

>>63978312

It was said in a previous thread about Soviet surface ships, the shipyard does a good job in building a nice hull...then it gets handed off to the navy and they bolt whatever the fuck they want/can onto the deck.

One day, I will find her

>>63978330
That clever wreck finder dude ought to put it on the top of his list. Ballard?

>>63978320
yup

>>63978157
>Doesn't the fact that several large maritime militaries are investing heavily in ESSM suggest that they think it is going to be an important tool in the near future of naval conflict?
whether the answer is "yes" or "no", does it change what I said about future requirements for naval AA?

you're doing the equivalent of claiming that the Allies buying huge masses of Oerlikon 20mms in 1940 means that future destroyers don't need AA fuzes.

>>63978467
VT fuses are hushyddhw
hush. Walls have ears.

>>63978467
>if you like pancakes then that means you hate waffles!

>>63978523
>if you *buy lots of* pancakes then that means you hate waffles!
that's MY point

>>63978316
You know someone doesn't care about aesthetics when even the Indians manage to make their stuff look better...

>>63978530
>he proliferation of antiship missiles means that ESSM is outdated

>>63978576
Yes
twenty years ago, you could arm a frigate with nothing more powerful in the AA line than ESSM and expect it to fend off most foreseeable threats

several navies equipped their frigates with nothing better than that, reserving the AEGIS + SM2 combination only for the "elite", the air warfare destroyers
e.g. the Canadians, the Australians, the Germans, the Danish, the Norwegians
ESSM was "good enough"

today, none of those ships dare pass through the Suez and tell a non-state actor - the Houthis - "come at me if yer hard enough"
they can launch coordinated swarm attacks with high-supersonic antiship and ballistic antiship missiles beyond ESSM's capabilities
this means the bar for what constitutes adequate (not best, "adequate") self-defence for a frigate has been moved up
and missile proliferation will only get worse. it's but a matter of time before they get better missiles. the Houthis might soon acquire a better seeker for their antiship ballistic missiles, or acquire an antiship missile with terminal manoeuvring capability, which means those waters will be no go for any NATO warship without BMD capability
and other NSAs around the world well get their hands on what the Houthis are using now
not to mention minor countries who might suddenly throw a hissyfit and kick off a small regional war

the war began with everyone fielding 1"-class machineguns; people are panic buying 20mm Oerlikon; 40mm VT-fuzed Bofors is the tippy-top. brother, you think this is where the line will stay?
you still think that ESSM is "good enough" for the next 20 years?

>>63978265
Soviet ASMs really activate my neurons

>>63978341
Man I’ve got no fucking clue how to use these things.

>>63978789
As long as you can detect them in a timely manner, you can nail them with ESSMs. Mach 4.5 is plenty fast for an interceptor, and they have enough range.
For some reason, ASBMs are seen as some sort of wunderwaffe, when in fact they have a fair number of shortcomings, compared to regular sea-skimming AShMs. Biggest being their reliance on drones for accurate targeting (satellite is insufficient, and blind-firing them will only result in misses).
Remove the drones, and you remove the ability to properly target them.

>>63978789
That wasn't an invitation, that was me parroting your words to demonstrate how retarded you are. Until you you can learn to conduct a functional conversation, I have no reason to read any of that.

>>63979097
>and blind-firing them will only result in misses
It helps if they are broadcasting their location continually and travelling along an incredibly predictable path. This is the reason the Houthis have had as much success as they have.

Toot toot motherfucker.

>>63978905
use your helos for spotting and ASW operations, always leave a few helos ready to sortie with torps and keep your ships as far away from the suspected subs as possible. This aint ww2, no need for depth charges or torpedo attacks we have helos as long beat sticks.
Try setting up 3 lines of buoys along your task force path or a spread around the suspected sub area, alternate between passive and active buoys. When you get a contact fly the nearest helo towards it and set it up as a spotter/listener with the dipping sonnar and a few active buoys. Then redirect the other helicpoters that are on stand by and armed with torps towards the target and let loose, try attacking from different angles too.
Remember, this is an ASW platform, nothing less nothing more.

>>63979130
>I know I'm wrong so I'll pretend not to read
I accept your concession

>>63979097
>As long as you can detect them in a timely manner, you can nail them with ESSMs
in theory, yes, we can even just use ESSMs for BMD if we compute precisely down to the split-second when and where ballistic missiles will enter the range of an ESSM interceptor
but I doubt we have that shipboard computing power, or else that is exactly what we would do instead of build SM3s
>Remove the drones, and you remove the ability to properly target them
you may not be able to remove the drones (or missiles) fast enough to avoid ASBM launch, and after ASBM launch you will need BMD capability to kill it

>>63978822
no shame in that brother

>>63978789
>frigates no bueno in high-threat environments
Yes. Always have been. That's why destroyers exist. Frigates are support or second-line vessels. ASW patrols or policing operations. They are work boats.

>>63979222
You can take whatever helps you sleep at night.

>>63979237
>support or second-line vessels. ASW patrols
are supposed to be armed sufficiently to deal with lower-end state threats, let alone NSAs
Sea Sparrow was designed to deal with Soviet antiship cruise missiles such as the Styx, and virtually every warship not carrying Standard had it
NSAs aren't even supposed to be that well-armed

but the threat bar has been raised again, as it always is, and that should be recognised

>>63979222
>if we compute precisely down to the split-second when and where ballistic missiles will enter the range of an ESSM interceptor
>but I doubt we have that shipboard computing power
It's not that complicated. It's not like they're doing Mach 10 while maneuvering, on the final approach. They're relatively primitive, even the ones build using Iranian-sourced Chinese tech.
>or else that is exactly what we would do instead of build SM3s
SM-3s are really for anti-nuke defense, but everybody tries to pretend they aren't, because anti-nuke defense is impolite orsmth.

>>63979301
whats a nsa?

>>63979473
Non-State Actor. Except it doesn't really fit in the case of the Houthis, since they are one of the two factions in the Yemeni civil war.

>>63979301
Aren't they they installing ESSMs on the LPDs?

>>63979496
>since they are one of the two factions in the Yemeni civil war
I still remember when they were a tiny insurgent band in the hills
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houthi_insurgency

>>63979532
they're thinking of putting Mk41s on LPDs, it's undecided
LPDs are supposed to be armed for basic point defence only
in the 90s, amphibs carried Phalanx 20mms
in the 00s, they got RIM-116

>>63979624
>I still remember when they were a tiny insurgent band in the hills
You can thank the Saudis and their retarded lackeys in the Yemeni government for turning a family of (quite literally) hillbillies into a political movement which broke the country in half.

>>63979713
I blame them for not being able to cut off Iranian support to the Houthis, yes

post war soviet ships are eyesores beyond belief, but they're pretty cool at the same time

>>63963086
Unless you know someone on the crew personally, they don't tend to give people engine room tours and that applies for all classes of ships. As for their use, know that they are a pure product of the Chrétien peace dividend era and that their greatest feat of arms was to make Charlie Sheen cry by seizing all the winning dust.

Modern Teruzuki, again of the Akizuki class. Very nice ship and one of my favorite names for a Japanese vessel (Shining Moon.)

>>63976886
Damn that a beauty. What do they use it for? Shows?

>>63976886
>After the war it was given to the Soviets
Italians at the time hated the idea so much that they had to keep the ship under 24/h surveilance and arrested some who tried to sink it as they tought it would be a better fate than going with the russians. History proved them right considering that between the painting of the hull and the burning they just used it to transport logs.

Deutschland Uber Alles

>>63966426
>fucking video game boss weak point looking radar
Pic related

>>63982723
>ship heeling as it turns
Hold my beer

>>63982278
It's a training ship, used to train officer cadets. The Rationale behind it is that a sailing vesser requires more teamwork to operate, and allow you to get better seafaring skill. It's probably only partially true, but it's a tradition at this point.

Still, that ship has some pretty impressive mileage, as it regularly does world cruises. This January they even had her cross the Red Sea while the Houtis were still throwing missiles at everyhting that moved...

Also, yes, it is used for shows in a way. It's pretty much the mascotte of the Italian navy, and whenever there is some celebrations they try to have her there.

>>63982292
They did the same for the other big prize that the soviet got, the battleship Giulio Cesare (later Novorosiysk). In fact, when the ship blew up in port in 1955 there was the speculation that Italian frogmen were involved, although the most accepted explanation is that it was sunk by an old ww2 german mine that was never removed (other such mines were found in the port shortly after)

any love for the ticos

>>63983362
That's a cool shot.

>>63984583
Gonna miss them, and their VLS, when DoD retires them.

>>63983362
Three lovely British ships :^)

Weeee

saw this during fleet week in Vancouver. Very aesthetic vessel

>>63985491
Very sleek.

>>63985369
they're pretty clapped out
though an AEGIS ship of any sort is nothing to be sneezed at to be sure

>>63984583
big blocky shithouses stuffed with so many missiles you'd have been called a liar in 1980
they were like the WTC skyscrapers of Cold War warships - massive, blocky, utilitarian, with little aesthetic value but for their sheer imposing size

>>63985585
Comparison to the WTC might be accurate. Definitely had their critics, but over time they also earned their fans.

>people are already deadnaming the USNS Harvey milk
Grim, guess you guys prefer to name your bases after losers, just like Cadet Bonespurs

>>63983362
Ramillies and Revenge?

>>63986684
NTA but according to my notes that appears to be Royal Oak, Ramillies, and SS Berengaria

>>63986722
i also got Royal Oak from reverse search but the shield on the bridge looks more like Revenge's Griffon

>>63986684
Yes, I'd say so, the tompions on the nearest ship match Ramillies and as you said the crest visible on the second battleship is definitely Revenge's

>>63986810
Also, double posting but whatever, Royal Oak wasn't present at the 1935 fleet review so it can't be her in the photograph. At that time Royal Oak was in Devonport for refit.

>>63987039
I guess that solves it

Didn't design the hulls for the two ships in the middle. Did rearm and redecorate them. Rest of the fleet is untouched Burkes. The number of VLS missiles in this image is utterly ridiculous and includes a few nukes.

Game is NavalArt.

>>63987132
If you want my favorite real ship, definitely the Iowa class. While it may be outdated now it's hard to beat the cool factor of all those 16s going off together. Only thing that could've topped it for me would've been the Montana if it'd ever made it to the sea.

So they are mostly used to train reservists (Canadas national guard) but I really enjoy the orca class patrol ship.

>>63983362
I'd love to see that photo done as a painting.

>>63987158
Is it even armed?
Bridge windows look like they designed it for MAXIMUM visibility

>>63987260
its ai slop, but done in the style of a turner painting which seemed appropriate

>>63956011 (OP)
Knox class a bitch, Connie class for European dorks, OHP 4 lyfe

They look so imperial and imposing.

Hani Bani

I found some old ceramic coasters that had ships on them earlier today. I think there were at least 8, and on the front they had a picture of the ship, and on the back the name and some information about the ship was written in German.
Both of these were on there:
>>63976886
>>63975303

>>63987302
Valiant attempt anon and think its an appropriate style but I think its oversaturated in this case?

>>63987281
No just small arms and the foredeck is strengthened to accept a 12.7 mm M2 machine gun.

>>63988395
>FFBNW .50 cal
oh, Canada

let loose the tugs of war

>76mm
pathetic

>>63988150
here is a watercolour for you

Bring it on.

oh noo~ monsieur U-boat! I'm just a harmless cargo ship. You should totally surface and demand us to surrender!
n-no those aren't 138mm guns, I swear, those are just my loading hoists.

What is the weirdest turret arrangement in your opinion?

>>63988998
Oyodo, as in why did they bother building half of a cruiser with 2x triple 6-in and called it a day.

>>63988998
Kearsarge class always stands out to me.

>>63985585
>imposing size
They are Sprucan hulls.

>>63987039
That mainmast looks like some salty admiral wanted to be able to literally set sail.

>are we a destroyer or a submarine?
>yes

Musashi putting some downrange

>>63988756
That actually looks pretty decent.
Still tempted to find a drawfag for it.

>>63989375
I like the idea of a sub with a battleship gun.

>>63989388
l-lewd!

>>63989178
overweight Spruance hulls

the Sprus themselves already look massive

>>63983362
>>63987039
>>63987069
In an alternate universe the Royal Navy was never scrapped for cash and kept making kino capital ships...
Picrel is Howe transiting the Suez en route to the Pacific in '44.

>>63992125
Forgot the picrel.

>>63992125
>Alt universe
>Royal Navy has Battleships with Rocket Assisted Tallboys
>Proceed to awaken and them subsequently destroy Elder Gods with the ungodly geo instability they cause
>Still scrap their entire fleet cause reasons

befitting a bubblehead such as myself.
DBF

>>63992342
It baffles me so much that Warspite and at least ONE of the KGVs weren't kept as museum ships.

>>63988998
HMS Agincourt is definitely out there...

>>63992554
Unfortunately museum ships are absolutely massive money pits. They never earn enough to pay back maintenance costs

>>63992554
It's depressing when you start reading about that shit and realize how many historical ships have been scrapped for no reason.

>>63992554
One of the KGVs, fair enough I guess, they were largely in pretty good shape but come 1945 it was a miracle Warspite was still in action at all towards the end of the war. She was barely held together, almost a floating wreck and regardless of her incredible service history, the amount of money and effort it would have taken her to be fit for preservation was phenomenal, it was never going to happen sadly.

>>63992592
yeah

>>63992554
They actually scrapped some of the museum ships after WW2 they were that strapped for cash.
>>63992599
If they had the money I think they would have converted the KGV's into carriers rather than preserve them as a museum.
Warspite if they did preserve her would have been an endless money pit just to make safe. That said you just know if they preserved her come the Falklands she would have somehow broken free from drydock, all her radars and fire control would magically become 100% fully operational without user input, they would be forced to take her where she would get into some ridiculous battle against opponents that she should have no right surviving, probably tank a fuckton of exocets to the point that the Argies would think the Brits have developed shield technology, and then collide into a sandbank on her way home.

>steals your submarine
Nothing personal kid

>>63992764
>If they had the money I think they would have converted the KGV's into carriers rather than preserve them as a museum.
I don't see that ever happening, regardless of financial circumstances. Realistically the furthest anything would have gone with the KGVs would have been installation of guided weaponry and complete radar overhaul.

Be careful who you call ugly in middle school.

>>63992691
Yeah, that's the one I had in mind. It's criminal that they were allowed to do it. I wish the people responsible had suffered consequences.
That goes for anyone destroying historical artifacts or architecture.

>>63992780
>steals your submarine
So, turns out I've been hunting with a guy that worked on Glomar
> be me
> in Mexico
> slaying doves morning and afternoon
> we'd each pull 75-123 doves each session
> over tequila
> I'm talking about Project Azorian
> "uh, it was ack-shu-ally Project Jennifer"
> wut.jpg
> "Azorian was the cover"
> double-wut.jpg
Turns out, the guy I was talking to was ex oil field and worked on the crew that followed on after Glomar returned with the lifted sub.
He says most of what you read is close, but nobody had told the full story.

are you a small cruiser, or big destroyer kinda guy?

>>63997321
yes

>>63996887
That guy must be pushing near 80 now. Start picking his mind about it and get it recorded before it's too late and all is lost. Does he still have his nodule?

>>63997321
Small cruiser. I like Yubari.