What type of sight picture/hold do you use when plinking/shooting reactive nonpaper targets

>>63957284 (OP)
mostly center hold unless its a black rear/fiber front, then i use combat and essentially treat the fiber optic dot like a red dot

>>63957284 (OP)
Center hold for everything. I don't like that combat hold blocks my POA

>>63957284 (OP)
center hold

>>63957284 (OP)
6 o'clock is unquestionably the way to go if you're doing serious bullseye competition shooting at the same range every time.
For anything else, center hold.

>>63957849
I get more consistent groups if I center hold on a bullseye target, but I prefer 6 o'clock for rapid shooting so I can acquire targets faster

>>63957284 (OP)
I prefer center hold and I stay focused on the target. All of my guns have fiber optic or otherwise bright front sights and I shoot it like a red dot sight.

>>63957284 (OP)
>sights
I point shoot

Alright, listen up you young bucks with your fancy red dots and laser pointers. I see all these threads about "co-witnessing" and "dot drills" and "finding the perfect sight picture." And I just gotta shake my head. When I was learning to shoot a pistol, we didn't have any of that electronic wizardry. We had iron sights, and more importantly, we had instinct.
You see, a pistol ain't a rifle. You ain't gonna be lining up a 300-yard shot with a handgun. A pistol is a tool for close-quarters work, for defending yourself when things go sideways fast. And in those situations, you don't have time to be fumbling around trying to find a little red dot. You gotta point and shoot.
It's all about your natural body mechanics. You extend that arm, you focus on your target, and your hand naturally points where your eyes are looking. It's like pointing your finger at something. You don't consciously think about lining up your finger with your eye, do you? No, you just point. And that's exactly how you should be with a pistol.
Now, I'm not saying don't practice with your sights. You should absolutely know how to use them. But when the chips are down, and you're under pressure, your natural pointing ability is what's gonna save your hide. Get yourself a good, solid grip, lock out that wrist, and just focus on the target. Your body will do the rest. Practice it. Dry fire it a thousand times. You'll be amazed at how quickly you can put rounds on target without even thinking about those sights.
So, next time you're at the range, try this: put that red dot in your pocket, and just focus on pointing that pistol naturally. You might just surprise yourself with how accurate you can be.
Stay safe and keep those skills sharp!

>>63957284 (OP)
I just point shoot and walk shots onto the target.

>>63957284 (OP)
I was plinking not too long ago and kept missing high because I didn't realize I was doing combat hold by accident until I had already blown through several dollars worth of ammo.

>>63957284 (OP)
I use combat hold, I can get bullseye's all day with it. I find center hold somewhat annoying and 6 o clock to be madness.

>>63958153
That's not how you should use irons. Focus on the front sight.

>>63957416
Correct

>>63959742
I was also taught to front sight focus but as I’ve gotten more experienced I’ve found it to be less necessary. Target focus helps maintain situational awareness without reducing precision to unacceptable levels.

Pistol irons often aren't adjustable

>>63957284 (OP)
combat hold, seems normal to me

>>63959433
6 o' clock is great for actual target shooting because you can see the whole target

>>63959781
I was talking about with rifles too, not just pistols

>>63959742
That only works on stationary slow fire targets. You can and should target focus.

>>63959781
I put adjustables on mine without exception

>>63957284 (OP)
Whatever your weapon came calibrated with from the factory?

>>63961005
Niggers and notrainings do that. You don't see cops doing that.

I had to go through an academy where I was literally tortured. Hooked up to a car battery, drowned, and attacked by attack dogs. I wish I were joking. I feel like those parts were unnecessary but at least they put you through a course of fire and you have to maintain firearm certs 4x a year.

>>63962167
do you not zero your guns?
>>63962181
>cops
>good training
>cops
>hit what they are aiming at
also target shooting is different than combat shooting

>>63961137
focusing on front sight increase accuracy and groupings, once you have that trained you go for speed. get into speed shooting and you'll see what i mean, especially once you hit the range with targets further than 7 yrds

>>63959781
those that are not adjustable are factory set and you are not supposed to fiddle with them unless you add adjustable irons.

>>63962199
>also target shooting is different than combat shooting
Listen kiddo, I know how the police work. I took a private security job in California because it's the highest paying state for such work. Other states get laughably low pay. My rate is 100k or more for an easy job, with my level of experience I don't even touch government work for less than 120k. I consider this interim because of how bad the schedule is, I can't be fucked to cater my life to someone else's schedule, especially a busy billionaire's. I'm going back to the government side soon idk where but hopefully not goyimfornia

yeah

>>63957284 (OP)
Always center. Any other hold is retarded and so are manufacturers that zero those ways.

>>63963186
6 o' clock is nice for target shooting

>>63958589
Ok boomer

>>63963213
It's not, at all, because it only works at one distance within a 5-10 foot window and with only one size bullseye.

>>63963287
what the fuck do you think KD target shooting is?
here's another fun one for ya, going from 200 yards to 300 yards is usually somewhere close to a 3 moa adjustment.
even swiss rifles are designed around target holds. The K31s I think, maybe the current STGs too, do a weird thing where for the battle zero they are combat hold/center mass hold but then at 300 meters they become belt buckle holds so the guys could use the rifles for target shooting

>>63962199
I sight iron sight? So no? Oh. Um I guess i havent no. I should when I go to the range either today or tomorrow. Got a new glock and pulling down left. Shooting at 7 yards but that could be grip and I dont know what the factory zero irons are 9therwise I would know it wasn't my grip but I also didn't read the whole manual

>>63963463
I've had to zero every optic and rifle iron sight I've had

>>63962167
This.
>>63957284 (OP)
I think my USP manual says its set up for combat hold. Don't remember if the Glock manual said anything about it. I've always used center hold otherwise.

>>63957284 (OP)
Center, but irons "zeroed" for 25 yards are going to shoot "combat hold" at any distance closer than that.
If you're really that concerned about handgun accuracy, the correct answer is to just use a red dot like a normal person.

>>63963675
I was talking about rifles but the handgun pic was on the nra page and was the easiest one to find

>>63963688
With rifles there's no excuse for not using a center hold or an optic, unless you're shooting a bullseye-style competition where irons are mandatory and a 6-o'clock hold is optimal.

/k/ doesn't shoot

>>63965027
You're schizophrenic and delusional. You're not going to beat someone with even base level training with your notraining

>>63965109
you are seething hard there, no gunz

>>63959781
Punch and/or a file

>>63965154
You still don't have any training in any field so are lesser than a security guard and WILL perform worse in any given scenario. See me >>63962225

>>63963463
>Down left
This is caused by not pulling the trigger back in a straight line.

>>63957284 (OP)
The hold is determined by your sights. Why would you have a center hold if your sights are meant for a combat hold?

>>63965222
Pushing the sights is one thing, but filling them down seems retarded and unnecessary.

>>63957284 (OP)
However that gun's sights are designed to be used

>>63965572
>>63965642
you fags are no gunz. you can pick your hold when you zero your sights

>>63957284 (OP)
I sight the gun in so that it’s a 6’o’clock hold at the apogee and then I shoot with a center hold, that way I’m shooting within an envelope of like an 1” high or low over a large range. I never bullseye shoot, I shoot in a field at boxes, bottles, prickly pear cactus, feral hogs, or whatever at some undetermined range. I hate the combat hold because it feels unnatural to me, covering up what you’re trying to hit and it makes shooting at longer ranges even harder.

>>63965661
A cop would smoke you.

I had to go through an academy where I was literally tortured. Hooked up to a car battery, drowned, and attacked by attack dogs.

Combat hold only works for a pistol you’re not going to shoot past like 20yards

I always thought the 6oclock was proper.

>>63965661
>noguns calling others “no gunz”
Quite ironic, retard. While some handguns have adjustable sights, the vast majority do not. Now go back to /pol/ or wherever your noguns ass came from.

>>63966453
You're schizophrenic and delusional. You're not going to beat someone with even base level training with your notraining.

>>63966507
>You're schizophrenic and delusional.

>>63962221
>those that are not adjustable are factory set
False for 80% of guns on the market. Only two or three handgun manufacturers zero from the factory and rifle manufacturers sure as fuck don't zero at rifle distances if at all.

>>63963306
>only 9 more inches of drop at 300 yards compared to 200 yards
Oh look another noguns larping as having a brain. It's actually another 100 inches you unbelievable fucking retard. You get a foot of drop already shooting 9mm at 100 yards, if you've literally ever shot a gun a single time how could you POSSIBLY think you'd get so little drop from a handgun at 300?
>inb5 uhmm ackchyoually I was talking about 0.13 High Orbit which is a .50 AE necked down doing 5,500 FPS
>no wait actually I was talking about 7.5 Swiss from a rifle in this handgun thread for handgun sight holds
Shut the FUCK up dude.

>>63962221
typical iron sights have fixed heights, but they can be off. You might need to adjust the sights to be on target.

>>63966453
I'm not talking about handguns you nogunz faggot. I'm talking about rifles, no gunz. I want to know what's the preferred way to zero my .22

>>63966652
holy shit you are fucking retarded if you think high power shooters use 9mm handguns and if you think the k31 is a handgun. you are one gay retard

>>63967211
Why would you use anything other than center hold, retard? You might need to adjust for bullet drop, you want precision. You should be using an optic and cowitness with your irons.

>>63967245
holy shit you have no fucking guns. do you not know what a point blank zero is?

>>63967297
I like how you assume I can read your mind, and much more how you can’t read in general. Take your meds, retard.

>>63967312
you are the one who keeps assuming it's about handguns when I said it wasn't more than one time, retard

>>63965540
Thanks. I have to work on it. Any way to correct this or see a visible correction? Should I shoot with my red dot? I have one but dont use it because im focusing on my iron sights grouping first. Then I'll slap on the red dot. But this is my home defense gun so should I realistically be working on all that if this weapon is cqc?

>>63967352
>you are the one who keeps assuming it's about handguns
no, retard. I'm obviously talking about rifles here >>63967245
Your reply is retarded, but how am I suppose to know you're going to be shooting at targets 10 yrds away or w/e range if you didn't specify it. I can't read your mind stupid fuck.

>>63968917
there are a few ways to do this. You could dry fire while slowly pulling the trigger. You want minimal movement of the sights when dry firing. You can get an empty casing and put it on the end of your barrel and pull the trigger, if it falls off, then you know youre jerking the trigger. Finally, you can get a pink rhino laser or something similar and see if the red laser streaks or moves after firing. Its pretty obvious with the laser if you're jerking the trigger.

>>63968917
>Any way to correct this or see a visible correction? Should I shoot with my red dot?

Try centering the trigger on the first joint of your trigger finger and pull back from there and adjust your grip to make that work for you. Dots are excellent for training because they provide so much visual feedback when compared to irons. I strongly recommend dryfire/practicing with a dot however you choose to run your gun for that reason alone.

Other tips:
-You have a Glock iirc. It doesn't matter ultimately but I prefer flat face trigger shoes to the OEM because they are easier for me to pull straight back
-Do not worry about the specific mechanics of your grip so long as you can pull the trigger without moving the gun and can handle it under recoil. It's much more important to have a consistent grip. Consistency matters because you can predict how your gun will behave under recoil and thus shoot faster
-Don't squeeze the gun too hard with your trigger hand. Too much tension degrades your ability to pull the trigger smoothly and without any jerking. Your strong (non firing) hand conversely should be very firmly planted into the grip.
-Practice your draw, transitions, and dryfire 15 min a day for 3 months and you will end up a better handgun shooter than 99% of Americans.

>>63969117
I do the quarter trick on the end of the gun. Works. I should print out the fbi or whatever shot chart and just shoot at it

>>63969236
Salute

>>63969055
>t. fucking no gunz
you do realize rifles also have a point blank and I said plinking, that's usually done at pretty close range you no gunz troon

>>63969775
Sure, retard. Okay, use a combat hold or 6 o'clock and stfu already.

>>63969783
eat shit, no gunz. you must have never zeroed a rifle in your life

>>63969838
>schizo can't help but keep crashing out
uh huh, yeah, sure.

>>63969857
you don't even know what plinking or a point blank is, you gay retard

>>63970003
>repeats himself like a retard
Ok, buddy. Time for a nappie? nap nap time?

>>63970020
you ran out of shit to say and you are now just posting zoom zoom buzz words because you didn't even know what plinking was

>>63970069
Very grouchy and ironic. Definitely needs a nap.

>>63970070
yeah, you have never shot a gun in your life

>>63970091
Yes, yes, baby boy. Hush now, no need to be upset.

>>63970105
See, I'm right. odds are you are a bong, faggot

>>63970134
lmfao finally a new insult. Maybe you want to call me a no guns again or tell me I don't know what plinking is. You love that lol.

>>63970138
because you are a no gunz, faggot.
you fucking thought a k31 shot 9mm

>>63970190
>thought a k31 shot 9mm
meds

>>63970202
that was literally you, retard

>>63970212
Wrong. I have no idea what you’re talking about. Again, I can’t read your mind.

This is getting sad. I seriously think you have some sort of mental illness. Sorry for laughing at you.

>>63970235
you have no guns and you are bonglish and it was you, retardo. keep eating shit

>>63970245
I’m sorry for upsetting you. Please don’t beat your dog or whatever fucked up thing you do when you’re angry.

>>63961005
I use six oclock with my blackhawk and it works wonders on moving targets.

do gun hobbyists really not know anymore how to aim with irons?
alarming thread

>>63970264
most of /k/ are no gunz yuros and honestly red dots are so much better than irons it's unreal and if you do most non hunting based training like applesneed or high power or I guess small bore/air rifle its on a KD range with target sights, which is inherently different than how guns would be used in combat or hunting.
It's like how everyone memes about all film archers shooting their bows olympic style
>>63970253
nah, that's you, bitch boi

>>63970321
ok

>>63970321
I would personally iron sight every gun you own first and then pop on something other than iron sights. Not being able to hit your target with iron sights is not a situation you want to be in.

>>63970636
my shotgun has an unadjustble bead because shotgun, my AR carbine has an acog so I don't have a rear iron, my other AR is a national match rifle so it's like 15 lbs and has my zeros written down in a notebook and by .22 has a QD red dot which is zeroed fine, it's literally just my irons on my .22 which are zeroed kind of high from the last time I shot it since I shot it at paper with a 6 o'clock hold but I figured it was a bad hold based on the target I was using since the circle was pretty big

>>63970825
Take the bead off your shotgun. You dont need it. And what is your 22? Just look up the make and model of your 22 and then look up the factory hold and that is the hold. All? Guns that I know of come with a factory stock right out of the building hold. So like a better way to describe it if you are this way is my front and rear sights are 4.1and 6.1. Where I believe its height .4 of mm is the poi change of 6.1 mm 2.5inch at 25m or 27 yards. Someone correct me if im wrong

>>63971302
I have aftermarket sights on my .22.

>>63957284 (OP)
YALL WH*TE BOIS DORKY ASS HONKEY AS MF

>>63970321
lol shut your bitch ass

>>63972270
eat shit, no gunz bongaloid

>>63972286
>doubles down on retardation
Lmfao you can’t help it

>>63972304
did you just wake up, bong troon?

>>63972319
No, but I do need to go to sleep. I’m sure your schizo ass will still stay up. Good night, retard!

>>63972327
we don't sign our posts here, you retarded faggot. and sure thing, we both know you just woke up and that you don't own guns

>>63969236
Based

>>63972346
Still wrong schizotard lmfao

>>63965661
>posts handgun sights as example image
>secretly thinking about adjustable rifle sights but doesn't specify until multiple people have inferred from contextual clues that the question pertains to handgun sights
>spergs out that people can't read his mind
do you also have issues with object permanence and understanding human body language and facial expressions, anon?

>>63972327
>I’m sure your schizo ass will still stay up.
Forget where you are? This site is full of scitzos and autism like it's a badge of honor here. Fuckin reddit users.

>>63973096
I'm still correct, considering you don't know what plinking is, retardo
>>63973432
you are the only fucking retard who automatically assumed it was for handguns only. I said plinking and you fucking no gunzed it, retard

>>63974003
>retard can’t stop repeating himself
>gets called out for being a retard by multiple anons
lol funny innit

>>63974136
nah, that was you samefagging you no gunz cocksucking yuro homosexual

>>63974178
Wrong nignog lmfao

>>63974195
incredibly easy to fake you no gunz tranny

>>63974202
On my phone? Lmfao ok retard

>>63974208
yeah on your phone, literally just go into incognito mode you gay retard

>>63974219
Wtf I’m not waiting that long to call you a retard. That’s only something a dumbass like you would do lol

>>63974222
it's 120 second you gay, dickless retard

>>63974233
I remember it being 900 seconds. But then I’m not some trolling retard who would do that lol. Feel free to continue to troll.

>>63974258
nah, you are just a retarded no gunz cocksucker, who loves to lie and suck cock

>>63974298
retard lol

>>63974315
nah, that's you, faggot

>>63974337
>doesn’t what projection is
I feel sorry for your mother.

>>63965027
I shoot out to 50 with a center hold

>>63971367
wew

>>63974368
nice
>>63974357
you are the one doing the projecting, faggot. that's such a GMS comeback, retardo

>>63974371
Just go, I don’t want any trouble!

>>63974371
Thanks, anon

>>63974136
What do you think plinking means? It appears you also have a secret definition in your head that differs from every commonly-understood and accepted interpretation of the term. I'm sorry, but you appear to be disabled.

>>63976342
Wrong anon. Anyway, he'll still read this and continue shitting and pissing

>>63976346
nah, looks like he hit the right anon, retardo

>>63962207
All "speed shooters" aka practical shooters target focus even with iron sights, bozo. Some even do it out to 25 yards

>>63970321
If you knew anything about shooting you'd know that red dot divisions are like one fifth of a second faster than irons. And that's comparing the Grandmasters and their times. You as a can't shoot will see zero difference in time between irons and red dots, unless you truly cant shoot irons which it sounds like is the case

>>63976858
>highpower
>times
wow, you are a no gunz retard. You don't score based on time in high power and everyone uses LPVOs now to the point where it's annoying to find a carry handle high power upper

>ITT schizo retard will call everyone he disagrees with him a no gunz
What a quality thread, retard.

>>63977055
>5:30 am
yeah, you are a no gunz posting during yuro time, retard

>>63979392
Still wrong, retard.

>>63979752
nope, I'm right. You are a no gunz, yuro retard

>>63979869
Nope, wrong.

>>63979977
nah, I'm correct, nigel

>>63980097
Forever wrong, faggot.

>>63981838
nah, that's you you gay retard. looks like you just woke up

>>63981904
Wrong, faggot, woke up an hour ago. Time to stop posting, retard

>>63982966
that's airshit you lying gay bong. keep eating shit you, gay retard

>>63983902
>airshit
lol lmfao who’s the nogunz now? It’s a PMXs, retard. You can see the JHP (hst) in the mag. It also has a brace, why the fuck would i put a brace on an airsoft gun? What a stupid fuck.

>>63984114
it's airshit, you no gunz retard. keep being gay and retarded

>>63984192
Still, wrong, retard. What makes you think it’s airsoft lol.

>>63984326
because you are a no gunz no shoots retard and a homo

>>63984373
>I have no proof, im shit posting
So, you’re just trolling. Thanks for capitulating. I’ve won.

Stay losing, noguns schizotard.

>>63984445
keep crying with your airshit nogunz loser

>>63984494
>tHaTs aIrShiT

>>63957284 (OP)
my pdp( first pistol) came with combat hold, so I use combat hold

>>63984541
best not to post here, OP is crashing out and calling everyone a no gunz despite not owning a firearm himself.

>>63984494
Cool watch, but why not the pepsi bezel?

>>63984594
it's not a gmt. I think the pepsi bezels are only on GMTs
>>63984586
I literally posted gunz, keep crying faggot.

>>63984611
>i p-posted a gun with no time stamp
retarded and its airshit.

>>63984611
It's not only GMTs. A lot of Seikos have them.
You can replace the bezel on a non-pepsi watch, it's a separate part. All Seikos must have a pepsi bezel.
Go for the 1/3 red.

I'd unironically be more impressed if someone was wearing a fake GMT than a seiko. Ugly ass watches. Seiko dials are disgustingly ugly

>>63984617
>t. can't read a watch
>>63984619
how hard is it to do?
>>63984624
I usually get compliments. chicks dig blue faced watches

>>63984631
No year posted. Stop posting other people’s airsoft guns, no guns.

>>63984637
it says monday the 14th, do you think I save a pic for like 6 years to post it on this exact date?

>>63984631
If you've worked with mechanical watches it's doable. You have to remove the movement, pry off the bezel and scrape the old insert off (it's stuck with glue or adhesive pad). Afterwards clean it from residue (use a solvent like IPA or isohexane), let it dry and put the new insert on. Factory will have a pad on the rear of it, but you can use glue if you're handy or cut out a circle from some sticky tape for a bodge.

If you never took a watch apart, let a watchmaker do it. Seikos are usually easy to get serviced.

>>63984643
There was a Monday the 14th three months ago in april, no gunz.

>>63984673
neat. I've heard sakos get modded a lot. I also have one of those shitty $100 russian watches that looks like a copy of bond's rolex.
>>63984690
you are really grasping at straws there, no guns boi

>>63984693
>you are really grasping at straws there
I’m just following your lead, nogunz schizo.

>>63984704
>you took someone's photo from months ago at the exact same time just for this particular date and time
take your medz, no gunz homo

>>63984720
>calling you a no gunz because you disagreed with me despite proof you posted
ftfy, no guns retard

>>63984724
you posted airshit, I posted guns. you are also a retard and a homosexual

>>63984730
Nah, you’re a just a retard who can’t recognize a PMXs. Keep crying, moron.

>>63984753
It looks like you are the one who is crying here, no gunz air shitter homo

>>63984757
You’re still bringing it up and lying. You’re the only crying faggot lol delete that fake ar chuddie

>>63984767
>chuddie
yeah you a no gunz homo. top kek there gaylord

>>63984775
yeah you a no gunz homo. top kek there gaylord

>>63984811
very lazy reply. As expected of someone who says
>you saved a pic of a gun at this specific time and date in april just for this thread

>>63984831
very lazy reply. As expected of someone who says
>claims pcc is airshit when it’s clearly a firearm

>>63984841
lol you have airshit, I posted a gun, and you can't stop crying

>>63984853
lol you have airshit, I posted a gun, and you can't stop crying