Thread 63958100

Cope Cage is now the official standard of the U.S. Army.

AHAHAHA LMAO

Post sandbox era slat armour right the fuck MEOW

>>63958100 (OP)
>Cope cages was a term used to ridicule russian ork ramshackle nature of tanks added layer of protrction, like those huge slabs of metal and wood they added against javelin which did little work
>It stayed even for standardized passive protection

APS/trophy doesn't work well against drones?

>>63958116
Not for top grenade drops, but I'm sure I've seen 30mm grenades defeat top cage armour or am I trolling?

>>63958100 (OP)
Things /k/ was wrong on:
>Cope cages
>Tanks not being obsolete
>Attack helicopters not being obsolete
>Russian EW not working
>Switchblade being good
>>63958109
It's cope because it means your jamming didn't work so now you pray the standoff distance is good enough.
>>63958116
There is no single APS that's optimized against having to swat a fiber optic drone crawling along the ground.

>source: retired major
it will not be a cope cage but something like pzh2000 roof composite armor package, it can be up to 15cm thick to not obstruct the periscopes and CITV

>>63958100 (OP)
Stupid vatnik, it was called cope cage because the Pidors truly thought it would help against Javelins and other such munitions. Armor like this has traditionally been useful against HEAT and small explosives like ones dropped by many drones.

>>63958100 (OP)
Slat armor that covers a large surface area of the tank including the sides and top and intended to defend against drones is quite different from the 2021 Russian cope cages that provide zero coverage against drone attacks and were claimed to hard counter Javelins and other top attack munitions. They did not stop Javelins, and posting obvious shill threads on an anonymous Mongolian basket weaving forum will not bring your tanks and crews back.

>>63958125
so your saying ruskie cope cages top javelins? Because thats what they were for not drones.

>>63958125
if tanks and attack helis are obsolete please tell me what we are going to replace either of them with in their specific niche and role

>>63958121
The cope cage just prevents grenades from getting dropped inside the cabin. Anything that could penetrate the top armor without a cope cage will still penetrate it with one.

>>63958100 (OP)
Why not just have a soldier with an Agency M2 loaded with bird shot mounted on the back of the tank doing skeet all day?

>>63958102
Where's the program description for GM1914?

>>63958625
because its very difficult to see quadcopters unaided until they are about 5 seconds away from you.

>>63958100 (OP)
You are a stupid nigger faggot
They have been using "hillbilly armor" to protect against rpg since 2002

>>63958301
This

>cope cage
>slat armor
>drone net
All distinct forms of ad hoc armor against different threats. Slat armor has been used for decades and is useful against simple warheads without tandem charges. Drone nets are older than the Ukraine war and limit the impact of dropped munitions and FPVs.
Cope cages were raised platforms of metal bars intended to stop a warhead coming from above. They were overbuilt for grenades, underbuilt for Javelins, and did not make it deep enough into Ukraine to see RPG attacks from above in urban warfare. Thus, they were pointless and were phased out in favor of canopies better suited for drone protection.
Armor that doesn't serve its intended use, like sand bags or spare tracks in WW2, function more as emotional support than anything else.

>>63958835
>. Slat armor has been used for decades and is useful against simple warheads without tandem charges.
Slat armor is equally effective against all PG of this pic because all have the same piezo fuze vulnerable to slats. If the fuze itself fails then the single or tandem shaped charge is meaningless.

>>63958919
the pic

>>63958100 (OP)
People tend to forget the ziggers were using cope cages before drones because they thought it would stop top attack ordances like the Javelin and NLAW.

>>63958100 (OP)
>>63958122
>2012
yawn

>>63958961
We invented the cope cage.

>slat armor, armor for top-attack weapons, and other similar ad-hoc armor for tanks has been around forever
>russians do it in ukraine
>it gets called "cope cages"
>now any sort of slat armor, or otherwise similar armor, is being retconned as "cope cages"

>top slat armour for javelins
>is retarded
>top slat armour for drones
>not retarded
Don't even try and cope that they were for drones in the first place when all zigs were going on about was javelins early war. Early war raised cope cages aren't even how the zigs make their own cages now.

>>63958125
Posts that presume entire boards are singular opinions are always cocksucking trolls who need to commit sudoku.
>>63958301
>>63958835
>Javelins could be here...

in fact we have had cope cage since early 2000s and it worked p good

>west adopts what they mocked the ziggers for

>/k/ikes immediately start damage controlling about how actually it was always good and NATO

> I shiggy

>>63958125
/pol/ raid since trump took part in the Epstein coverup

>>63958125
>>Tanks not being obsolete
>>Attack helicopters not being obsolete
Neither tanks nor helicopters are obsolete, and only retards have said otherwise.
>Switchblade being good
I dont recall there being much discussion about switchblade.

>>63958582
>>63958109
They weren't for javelins. They were for grandpa's ye-olde RPG from a dusty cache fired by soldiers on rooftops.

>>63959271
>west adopts
lmao

>>63958989
Slat armor works.
Cope cage doesn't.
>>63958919

>What began life as a silly and humurous piece of chanlingo on /k/ wormed its way into official terminology world over.

It's always been an odd thing to see chanspeak being used outside of imageboard culture.

>>63958919
Isn't some slat armor also meant to deflect the jet to a favorable angle? I could be dreaming but that's what I recall.
Also wondering if the drone bound RPG warheads are usually detonated with the original fuzing or if they have a separate system, as even the drones with RPGs seem to have the metallic contact triggers up front

>>63958835
If it's not a cope cage then why are you coping over it?

Ok if the cages were always for drones what did the zigger use flaming butt buckets for?

>>63959616
those were mobile toilets

>this shit thread again
how tiresome

>>63958626
>GM1914) - VPS Top Attack Protection Top Attack Protection (TAP) is a passive add-on armor to the base vehicle configuration. It is strategically placed over crew compartments and hatches working in tandem with the base vehicle armor to mitigate damage from overhead threats. It is most effective against Explosively Formed Projectiles and Shaped Charge Jets. Top Attack Protection (TAP) is intended to be installed on all combat vehicles with future expansion to other US Army vehicle systems. The Top Attack Protection (TAP) quantity per platform varies based on platform base armor and crew compartment locations.

>>63959616
infrared "dazzlers" to guide missiles at a spot behind the tank
it does not work

>>63959458
And just like every other time, it's being used by retards incorrectly but the retards are so prevalent that the incorrect usage becomes the more common understanding.

God, this timeline can be gay sometimes.

Cope OP

This is what cope cages looked like.

>>63959360
No. They were meant as a counter to javelins.

>>63959360
You dont have to tell us that they dont work against Javelins, that was what we said from the start.

You do get the irony of the whole situation? At the beginning we had to argue with vatnik that it isn't working against Javelins, despite how they would not shut up about how their cope cages make them obsolete. And now your dumb ass comes here and you try to tell us something we said from the fucking start.

>>63959271
Israel adopted them so it would be antisemitic not to. You just can't say no to AIPAC, anon.

>>63960156
Looks almost standardized.
Doubt it made any difference if nothing because that ukro separatist youtuber fired multiple javelins and hits where all over the place and not exactly above the turret.

>>63958603
Drones, dumbass. As they already are.

>>63959271
>>west adopts what they mocked the ziggers for
You mean welding half a garden fence on top of a tank, claim it will counter everything including top attack ammunition and then go on hour long rants if anyone questions if it actually can do that?
Because that was what we mocked the ziggers for and no amoun of attempts to rewrite history is going to change that. You have no power here, most of us had experienced it first hand.

>>63960208
>Drones, dumbass. As they already are.
Drones are only possible because chinks are allowing export of parts.

>>63959458
I've seen articles mentioning 'AIslop' and 'Short Kings' in places like Forbes. The Bongs got cope cages into the official vernacular by using it in their military reports and shit.

>>63959271
No, people mocked Russia for claiming the cages would stop top attack munitions. Just like we mocked them for putting a bucket fire on the end of a rod coming out of the back of their tank as a way to distract heat seeking missiles.

Using a cage to stop grenade drops is a viable thing. Using them to stop top attack munitions is not. Which is what Russia claimed they used them for see >>63960153

>>63959765
>infrared "dazzlers"
You mean a lure.

But the missile is smart. It knows where the tank is, and where it isn't.

>>63960219
>are allowing export of parts
Not to Ukraine they're not and I think they even banned European exports to prevent it going to Ukraine (no ban on Russian exports mind :) )

I have a cope cage around my cock. OP btw

You don't know anything about cope cages: https://x.com/fortifiedtaras/status/1942938569728827602

>>63959585
No, if the jet is formed then the slat failed and adds essentially nothing.
That's why it's called "statistical armor", it either works and damages the projectile (destroys the fuze or deforms the cone) or is useless.

>Also wondering if the drone bound RPG
They remove the piezo fuze (too insensitive for a drone) and booster to reduce weight by 50% (~1.5kg). As you said the usual replacement are bare wires or switches with a stick

>>63959360
it was a javelin counter, then they evolved to cope barns

>>63959360
Some of them were. They built wery prominent tall structures out of thick metal on top of tanks, hoping that the jet of the javelin would lose enough power or that the NLAW would collide with the cage and fail to do it's job.
That didn't work and 'The current thing' tourists never shut up about it, claiming that all cages were built for that purpose, while Putin fans said that the anti ATGM role of the cage was never the idea.

>>63960830
Ogey memoryhooooler.
>>63960153

>>63958100 (OP)
>itt, subhuman thirdies still don't understand the difference between slat armor and cope cages

>>63960195
They adopted it because, like people on here have been saying since the beginning, they actually make some sense when the primary threat to your tank is RPGs fired from the upper floors of multi-story buildings.

>>63958125
Cope cages are shit, tanks aren't obsolete, attack helicopters aren't obsolete, russian EW is worthless shit and doesn't work and Switchblades are perfectly good, though. /k/ has been right on all of these, your thirdie subhuman inability to understand basic concepts like the difference between cope cages and slat armor, or how not being invulnerable does not make a weapons systme obsolete, nonwithstanding.

>>63960208
there are drones doing direct fire support for assaults and maneuver warfare?

>>63959360
Even if that were true, they'd still be worthless shit against that, too.

>>63960830
Cool story, tourist.

>Putin fans
You mean propaganda-addled vatniggers.

is this really a surprise?

>>63960208
what drone is lobbing a 105mm round at enemy positions

>>63960170
no

>>63959458
The funniest example is
>AI slop
or
>sloppification
in general.
Most normies are wholly unaware of its etymology from
>goyslop

>>63960153
I don't get it, it's clearly the journalist making the Javelin claim.

>>63961665
>Most normies are wholly unaware of its etymology from
>>goyslop
Slop is food scraps, commonly fed to livestock, especially pigs. This usage dates back to the 17th century.
You're suffering from terminal brain rot.

>>63961675
I don't get it either, when it started you got attacked by every vatnik on the internet when you said the russian cope cages wont do shit against top attack ammunition and now you have odd people arguing and pretending for hours this never happen in a thread full of people that had seen it with their own eyes. It's just baffling, like a retard trying to gaslight you for the 8 time in a row when it has become obvious what he is doing during the first time he tried.

>>63961869
Is this on /k/? Because I don't remember any of that. Most or even all early discussion of cope cages never even bothered talking about Javelins at all.

>>63962009
Okay, you are just trolling, in full shill or damage control mode. Got it.

>>63962025
Got it, you're the one doing the gaslighting. Have fun pissing into the ocean I guess.

>>63959603
because he's not, you are.

It was a cope against NATO surplus AT weapons the Ukrainians used before going to drones, it is however effective against some crude drones, which is likely the maximum most direct combat forces are going to fight after a modern airforce and navy is done fucking the corpse of a non NATO army and no Russia and China are too pussy to risk fighting them, theyd prefer to psyop us.

>>63962009
On /k/? Are you shtting me? This was everywhere, you could go to /int/, /pol/, even fucking reddit and probably on the rest of the whole fucking internet where ziggers tooted from every roof tops how the cope cages made Javelins and NLAWs obsolete.

JFC, if it wasn't for idiots like you pouring gasoline in the "yep, we are still retarded and try to rewrite what we said " zigger fire every month for over 2-3 years, then this thing would just gone away silently. But no, instead we got a thread every time someone other than Russia puts an anti drone net on a tank or other bullshit like the OP.

>>63962074
What's the point of doing this when anybody can look into the archives and see that Javelins were barely mentioned, or where mentioned, the idea was thoroughly shat upon? And yes, we're on /k/, so that's the base assumption of what we're talking about. Why the fuck are you complaining about the rest of the internet? If you have a problem with the rest of the internet complain there, not here. I'm not going to bother being drawn into a conversation where you whine about Reddit. Why would I care about that when I don't even go there?

>>63958100 (OP)
LMFAO

>>63962031
>Got it, you're the one doing the gaslighting.
There is the manditory projection.

>>63962097
He says in yet another thread made by zigger trying to hide what dumb thing they had done and what the orignial meaning of cope cage was. It has been years, you need to let go.

Bonus points for your argument that it did happen, but doesnt count because the ziggers got shat on like OP got shat on for his dumb implication. Oh and that this also happened on the rest of the internet of course doesn't mean anything.

>>63962152
So you go on /k/ to complain about reddit? That's just really sad and pathetic.

>>63962211
I accept your concession, not only had ziggers shilled it here and other places, they still try to rewrite what they did and the real meaning of cope cage to this day like OP did.

Some people get oddly angry when you point out what zigger have done and still try to do.

>>63958100 (OP)
>Cope Cage is now the official standard of the U.S. Army.

lmao,

someone repost the video of the US abrams tanker being smug about drones Vs. tanks

he was peak /k/ poster logic
would LOVE to see his reaction to THAT

>>63962211
so you go on /k/ to complain about /k/?

Even I was willing to admit I was wrong about the cope cages. Israel used them too in Gaza. They're designed to thwart HEAT rockets fired into the turret in urban areas. That's basically all they're good for - they originally were spaced too high to stop drones, and anyone who thought they could stop tandem warheads was delusional or uninformed.

>>63962352
The problem is rather that the term cope cage (crudely applied attempts by the russians to put armor on the top of their tank turrets while simuntaniously overpromsing their effectiveness and being stubborn about it) have become an umbrella term and we are in a dire need of an actual term to describe legit armor.

>>63962381
Slat armor has existed for many decades. It's nearly as old as tanks and HEAT charges.

>>63962381
It's called slat armor, it's been used for a long time. It's just recently we've started putting in on the top of the turret, when before that was avoided because it hindered the crew from getting out of the tank. People finally accepted, after enough ammo detonations from RPGs hitting the top of the turret, that it's needed.

>>63962397
>>63962419
You missed my point, i know what slat armor is and it doesn't describe new legit armor on top of tanks against drones and other threats, slat armor is just a general armor type.

>>63962381
it's not a real problem though, this thread is just another example of russian crabs-in-a-bucket mentality

>>63962451
There is no cope part when you build armor that works as it is said to work, its quite the difference of slappping a piece of sheet metal on a tank and telling the tank crew they are now safe from top attack ammunition just so they drive to their death.

>>63962445
It'll probably get some snazzy acronym like All-aspect Slat Armor Package

>>63962483
We still need a general term and alternative for the term cope cages.

>>63959360
>They weren't for javelins.
I guess the cope buckets filled with burning shit were just portable heaters for the mobiks, then

>>63962641
That actually is for Javelins. The cages are for RPGs.

>>63962545
It's all slat armor, cage armor, standoff armor, spaced armor. You can specify what part of the vehicle it's protecting.

>>63962700
That is a cope.

>>63962780
Slat armor work on different principles them stand off armor. This is big reason it is cope cage. Slat armor for example doesn't work vs ATGMs (and many non RPG-7 RPGs) because their fuse doesn't dud on slats.

>>63962381
We don't need a new term because merely putting protection in a different direction doesn't warrant an entirely new term. People can just call it overhead spaced armor or whatever. Everybody will agree on a term once the army adopts it and creates a new buzzword acronym. While it is true cope cage only exists to disparage the concept, people will use whatever is most convenient and catchy until then, despite the Ukrainian cheeleaders who work themselves into bizarre frenzies about trademark genericism. I foresee cope cage will exist for a very long time simply because cope is a perfect and accurate word for skeptics to describe a response to a new threat, even when it works.