Thread 63958904

So I basically...never come here, so I have no idea if this has been talked about, but...are Russians retarded? Or is there a reason they're not using something like this to shoot down drones? It's not going to be that easy against the larger, faster ones, but the tiny ones that do shit like carry grenades into bunkers or whatever, how is the answer not just...birdshot? Do they just not have that over there? Or are they doing this constantly and western media just never talks about it? Because Jesus Christ it seems like an obvious solution to me.

>>63958904 (OP)
>Are Russians retards?
Yes
>am I?
Yes

>Russians
>Drones
>It's another low quality spam thread
uh huh

>>63958904 (OP)
dead mobiks are cheaper

just replace this with any sort of logic when you ask why Russia doesn't do something logical

>>63958904 (OP)
In Russia, gay sex looks for you. It's a cruel and dehumanizing society of people who wear Adidas while eating sunflower seeds at their grandma's funeral.
https://youtu.be/ylYv1WmqJCQ

>>63958904 (OP)
I'm sure there have been Saiga or Vepr shotguns used by Russians in Ukraine. If you are asking why Russia doesn't mass produce automatic shotguns and make them standard issue it's because that takes a lot time and money. Time and money they don't want to spend to on giving expendable mobiks a slightly better gun to shoot drones down with.

>>63958938
>>63958962
Russia has never had the population needed to actually succeed with these tactics, so I guess they really are just retarded.

>>63958904 (OP)
They do use shotguns for drones, you often see veprs being captured. Its a cope though, it doesn't work for them or Ukrainians, for every video of a trickshot that saves a guys life, there 10 more where he either couldn't get a bead or more likely never even saw it coming. Shotguns for drones are the modern equivalent of bibles over the heart, it might have saved one guy but there's graveyards full of those it didn't save; and its just not a long term solution.

>>63958904 (OP)
https://youtu.be/WOoUVeyaY_8

Depends on the particular section, dudes sometimes use shotty 2 hotties but mainly use LMGs to shoot droned flying by or AK, based on the interviews I watch on youtube from the dipshit who falls over debri every 10 minutes.

>>63958904 (OP)
First off, they do use shotguns against drones to a limited extent.
It doesn't work very well as others have pointed out.
Russian military procurement is a lot more ridgid than the Ukranian scavenge-and-make-do approach. Ukraine started out with a much more shoestring budget that encouraged creative solutions wherever they presented themselves and being a Slavic country where civilian ownership of shotguns was relatively permissive was just such a thing. While the same is true in Russia as well, it is to a much lesser extent.
A more Russian approach has been to revisit duplex bullets or anti-drone specific rifle ammunition that acts as ersatz buckshot out of an AK. That way a soldier can engage a drone with higher hit probability without having to carry a new weapon but rather specialized ammunition for the one he already has in hand. It plays nicer with procurement and logistics as well because it is much easier to adopt a new ammunition than a new caliber, ammunition types and weapon. I have doubts about how well it really works, but it has definitely seen use.

>>63958904 (OP)

> Are Russians retards?
Yes. They lost 1 million men, billions of dollars and became a pariah for no fucking reason what so ever. More land is the one thing that Russia doesn't need and the idea that they are going to be "invaded" by NATO so they need a buffer zone is peak retardation.

> is there a reason they're not using something like this to shoot down drones?

Here is a video of one of the using the SAIGA-12, their AA-12 equivalent to shot one down and it works like a charm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRPii8CF_6s

>>63959160
>for no fucking reason what so ever
The most valuable most technologically capable and most bountiful part of the former Soviet Union is being pounded to dust because Putin wanted a war for people to write about.

>>63958904 (OP)
Niggawhut.jpg
It’s super common to see pics of Russians w/ saigas, veprs, random turkshit tactical shotguns, and SxS and O/U guns.
> Russian military procurement is a lot more ridgid than the Ukranian scavenge-and-make-do approach
There’s gorillions of pics out there of squads of Russians armed with a motley mix of every variant of Kalashnikov chronologically between the AKM and AK-12

Black Hussar

Long vepr is L O N G

A Saiga is fine too…

>>63959038
Shotguns work great against drones. It's just that 99.9% of soldiers aren't experienced, competent sporting clays shooters. Russia obviously doesn't have the time, money, nor inclination to train soldiers on anything much less clays. If the guys with shotguns had an anti-drone MOS and spent 12 or 16 weeks shooting clays they'd be way more successful.

>>63959278
Based and fuddpilled

>>63959290
They even have powered clays with wings called ZZ birds, the launcher spins them up and flings them, and they tend to fly all over the place, pretty fun and hectic, but they cost like $2 per bird. Would be great anti-drone practice.

>>63958913
fippy bippy

>>63959290
Even with training, most people are naturally shit at deflection shooting. For every Hans-Joachim Marseille you get 15 Chuck Yeagers. And a single miss is instantly lethal, as ample video evidence has shown. OTOH, you can't just fill up a platoon with shotguns and pray for the miracles of volley fire. Shotguns are kinda shit at mid-range combat, even the mag-fed automatic ones.

>>63959456
That actually sounds like a lot of fun

>"why don't they simply..."
think it through, like >>63958938 did.

>>63958904 (OP)
>are Russians retarded?
Yes.

>>63959290
That kind of experience would help, but it's still not getting around the fundamental problem that shotguns have terrible range.

>>63960245
>honestly, i would have pressed it too
lmao

>>63960245
literally two decades old Russian legendary meme
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/car-fiery-and-the-average-bear
That is mysterious Russian soul you heard sou much about.

>>63961400
>Nerd sits, plays Crysis. Videocard is overcloxked, of course, sits and plays. Suddenly smell of shed came, system unit explodes with sheaf of sparks. Out of the blue bear breaks into the room and tries to get inside of system unit.
It all makes sense now.

>>63958904 (OP)
>Are Russians retards

>>63958904 (OP)
>Because Jesus Christ it seems like an obvious solution to me.

Well congrats you have IQ above 80.
So does a handful of Russians, so they have been issuing semi auto and other shotguns to their troops.
The problems with that are manifold
>many Russian semi auto shotguns don't like light loads like birdshot/trap/skeet
>you get a very short time window to do something and if you fuck it up, you die
>drones aren't easy to spot until they're literally on top of you
>even if you score a hit, it might not cause enough damage to outright disable the drone
>even if it does, in case of FPVs flying directly at you, the drone can still have enough momentum left to reach and kill you anyway

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>>63959278
Do you have any with that weird underbarrel shotgun attachment for their grenade launcher (man that's a mouthful)?

>>63961494
>these are problems with doing this
Yeah, but if you don't try something it's going to kill you anyway, so you have everything to gain by trying and nothing to lose.

>>63963739
Which is why they ARE doing it, like I said (and like the other guy helpfully illustrated).
What is your point?