Thread 63960543

so buddy got the highest position in the German Army and suddenly they are building thousands of tanks, artillery and all the other fancy stuff you need.

At this point there is no hope for Russia to even gain one meter if they are trying to do something stupid.

Russia has never been in a position to threaten Germany at any point since the breakup of the soviet union, so either all of this shit get donated to Ukraine where it can actually be used, or its all just wasting money on faggot posturing. This is true for all of the rearmaments going on across Europe, it doesn't impress me to buy new tanks to defend against tomorrows problem, when they could be used to solve it today.

>>63960543 (OP)
> it doesn't impress me
Thank fuck none of the people making the decisions care about who and what impresses you.
European militaries don't exist solely for fighting Russia

And?
Having a stockpile of weapons is better than not having one.

What's Bill Clinton doing there?

>>63960572
Nigga the fuck is germany going to do with tanks

>>63960818
Sell them maybe?

>>63960562
>we will take warsaw amd berlin in 15 hours
>we will noook
If only they had cooperated, traded and gotten fat rich and happy.

>>63960818
kill ziggers

>>63960572
>European militaries don't exist solely for fighting Russia
Considering these rearmaments are procured for the explicit purpose of curtailing Russian aggression, and without that as a driving factor, Europes militarys would remain at the minimum skeleton crew necessary for performative UN deployments; yes they do exist for fighting Russia. But because Germany has so many conflicts of interest regarding Russia, these tanks will never be used for their expressed purpose; and so to adopt them to sit doing nothing while a nearby country is doing exactly what they are built for; renders what was supposed to be a big propaganda victory into a total cowardly farce.
>>63960576
If they eventually get used, yes. If they sit in a depot for 50 years then get scrapped, no it was wasted money. Having weapons is a strategic neutral, its other factors that decide whether its a good thing or not.

https://www.hartpunkt.de/bundeswehr-hat-bedarf-an-rund-10-000-zusaetzlichen-panzern-und-radpanzern/
What the christ. Can we please have some Artillery and Luftwaffe too?

>>63960543 (OP)
Both Russia and Ukraine will suffer complete collapse within the next decade. The orange man told you to dance like a monkey and you did, spending trillions to arm up. In 5-6 years you'll be sitting on a bunch of arms that your faggot politicians will consider melting down into a giant antiwar penis sculpture in the middle of your capital.

Spending a little money on thousands of tanks and artillery does not mean you automatically have the tens of thousands of men to crew, operate and maintain this equipment. Western governments have spent decades giving men every reason to not fight for their country and now we’re expected to hop in a Leo and go get droned in a field. The money shouldn’t be spent on tanks and other old-world weapons, but rather on improving the life of the average man so that when the wolves are at the gates he is more inclined to pick up a rifle.

>>63960855
ukraine is flat, perfect tank territory and tanks die in the ten thousands, literally, without achieving anything. building cold war era tanks right now is like building a lot of bows in 1550. youre setting yourself up for failure and just burning tax payer money.

>>63961079
realistically the tanks will sit in storage for 30 years and then be sold off to bulgaria which then re-sells it to ethiopia and algeria. in case of war these tanks will become drone, mine, atgm, gunship, artillery etc. fodder.

>>63960543 (OP)
it is good old fashioned corruption
>become master chief at arms of the not-nazi empire
>decide to build a million tanks using tax money
>split the rewards with your buddies from the military industrial complex
It is so obvious.

>>63961338
>tanks die in the ten thousands, literally, without achieving anything.
I'm not even gonna bother arguing with you, you're clearly retarded

>63961338
do dronetards really

>>63961454
>>63961472
well if you dont believe in the drone threat, maybe mines? tanks are comically weak right now. everything kills them.

>>63961479
>tanks are comically weak right now. everything kills them.
Go ahead and destroy a tank with a 5.45 AK and a 40 year old grenade then. Post Video proof once you did it

>tank mafia WINS

is he heavy tank or some light tank mobile guy?

>>63960543 (OP)
>German
Australian, actually

>>63960656
>What's Bill Clinton doing there?
Penance for his mistakes on Ukraine and his failure to BTFO Russia when he had the chance.

>>63961479
if tanks are so weak why are both sides citing armor as the next biggest threat/materiel need for their operations right after drones?

>>63960818
>the fuck is germany going to do with tanks

>>63961098
I guarantee you that for every European man the motivation of not being under the zigger boot is good enough motivation. The threat has just has to be credible for people to get up in arms about it, which is part of the messaging here and in other statements. In Finland for example, the homeland defence willingness against a superior enemy is at 83%, though we are an outlier in that regard at the moment. But I'd be willing to bet if similar credible threat from Russia was presented to other EU countries, they'd see similar numbers.

I'd also put money on EU countries bringing back conscription too with in this decade, all of this & other messaging is laying the groundwork for it imo.

>>63960818
" "
~Arthur Neville Chamberlain

>>63960543 (OP)
Love people getting angry or trying to deflect the fact that Europe's finally getting that big stick to back up it's soft words.

>>63964781
>Finally, after all these years

>>63964781
He looks so excited

>>63964781
>Lebensraum Stare
>Lifetime supply of Panzerschokolade in his Basement
>Served in the German Army since he was 19 years old
>Happiest he's ever been in his life is when he was told that German tanks are killing russians near Kursk
>Name literally has "Joy" in it
Does it get any better than that?

>>63963012
He’s Australian?

I think I hear Panzerlied in the distance...

>>63964915
>>63964781
>The thousand jähriges stare

>and suddenly they are building thousands of tanks, artillery

woah impressive. too bad the current state and prospects of german industry do not support this kind of jolly idiotic jingoists.

>>63961098
>We
You're not European, Rakeesh

>>63968091
>industry is collapsing, year 3
two more weeks perhaps

>>63964902
Im angry that its bullshit. The big stick is being acquired to deal with an opponent that is currently having it back broken in Ukraine, so unless the aforementioned big stick is sent to Ukraine to assist in that goal or western troops themselves are actively deployed to Ukraine, then its just the same cowardice as the very capitulations over the last 30 years that allowed Russia to do this in the first place; just with a layer of China-tier face-saving.

>>63968091
don' try to seethe too hard polish dog

>>63960899
>If they eventually get used, yes.
Point of defensive military is that you have already failed if you need to actually use it.

>>63968132
Go ahead, invade Poland again. Surely it will work this time!

>Captcha: PGJWK
Even the Captcha is Polish

>>63968145
I agree, you would never have to use it if you instead invested in supporting the country currently vanquishing your only plausible aggressor.

It's purely a way of making work for the German military industry and has no military purpose. They should focus on building drones, missiles and planes. Ukraine has shown that tanks are useless in the modern age where you can't mass troops anymore. The T-14 failed exactly for this reason : it's too big to conceal and too slow to evade. With drones even third world armies can fuck up your multimillion dollar tanks with 40$ quadcopters from Temu.

>>63968169
>The T-14 failed exactly for this reason : it's too big to conceal and too slow to evade.
Nigger what? The T-14 failed because half its components were made in France and Germany, so after 2014 they weren't able to finish any.

>>63968181
Sanctions delayed production but it entered service last year, very quietly because of design faults that rendered it useless : its very slow reverse gear made it impossible to evade drones or enemy fire. So they pulled it away from frontlines and decided to stick with T-90s.

>>63960562
>Russia has never been in a position to threaten Germany
Cool it with the revisionism. If ukies actually fell during the initial push, russians would go into the Baltics to cause a fait acompli before NATO (hurr-durr escalation, hurr-durr why die for Tallinn), discrediting and causing the organization to collapse. Without NATO's umbrella, most countries in Europe would piss their pants and low key surrender.

>>63961079
>In 5-6 years you'll be sitting on a bunch of arms
Good. Si vis pacem, para bellum.

>>63968126
Between Germany beefing up its land forces and france/Italy beefing up their navies, it's still a solid basis for European power projection. Better to have this equipment then not, especially since even a weakened russia can be a pain in the ass, especially for Balts and Scandis.

>>63961338
They really should be building up an arsenal of low cost AI enhanced missiles and drones.

>>63960818
They're very peaceful German tanks, being used for simple agricultural and mining applications. I once patted a Leopard tank and didn't get bitten even once, even kids could play with it

>>63968181
>SCREAMING BEARING NOISES
>PROBABLY TERMINAL

>>63961079
good, i wish we WERE sitting on a bunch of arms before this war started, faggot.

>>63966837
They wanted an Austrian but the last time they got one of those in charge it didn't work out too well for them.

>>63968867
Australians are kind of close, just give them beers, don't expect them to learn the language and it'll be fine

>>63968878
Australians are very fond of German beer, those rac^H^H^Hbeer purity laws are well appreciated down-under.

>>63964781
I'm just glad Bill Nye finally pivoted from science to something he clearly enjoys more.

>>63969592
HEIL 'FREU THE VIOLENCE GUY
KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL
(VIOLENCE RULES)

>Major General Christian Freuding, head of Ukraine aid coordination at Germany’s Defense Ministry, announced that Ukraine is set to receive its first German-funded long-range weapon systems by the end of July. Speaking from Kyiv, Freuding confirmed that a formal agreement between Ukrainian industry and the Ministry of Defense was signed yesterday.

These probably aren't Taurus, I think it's some pseudo-export version that Ukraine is building themselves in a joint project with German funding and technical assistance.
There was some talk about something like that and here we are with a mystery missile coming online.

>>63972883
It does get around a lot of the politicafuckery and whining of the vatniks about such and such supplied something that went downtown Mosqcow killing 300 muslim orphans in that weapons factory
If Ukraine made something that does that copied from our design, well how were we supposed to know they'd use it for such a thing? Was only meant as a summer science project between the two countries, oh well!

>>63972883
>Freuding announces first _long range_ missiles for Ukraine.jpg
fake news.
he never used the word "missile"
>These probably aren't Taurus,
no "probably" about that. he refused to talk about taurus.

>>63972983
>It does get around a lot of the politicafuckery and whining of the vatniks
I think there's just internal elements in Germany that don't want the tech to leak to slavs, or to give up competitive advantages of their MIC.
Ukraine is going to have a hell of an MIC after this, Germany might be thinking longer term about them competing with Rhinemetal etc.

I doubt vatnik propaganda is really a problem and the wrong people are in power for vatnik assets in Germany's parliament to have any influence over it.

>>63973000
>fake news.
>he never used the word "missile"
Sure but I don't think Rhinemetal is entering a joint venture with Ukraine to build a Schwerer Gustav.
What other kind of long-range weapon system do you think they mean?

>he refused to talk about taurus
Because it's a sore point in domestic politics, probably partly because of MIC lobbying and partly national self-interest. A monkey-model of Taurus with the spacemagic stripped out or replaced with something exportable makes way more sense.
Ukraine doesn't really need every bell and whistle on the thing, just being able to blow the fuck out of ammo dumps with precision will be great.

I do think Ukraine should build some extreme-range artillery though, it's not like Airfields and Moscow can move and the stagnation and improvised nature of the war lends itself to low tech solutions like Paris guns, a Schwerer Gustav or railway guns.
A Project Babylon isn't unreasonably I think.

>>63973018
>What other kind of long-range weapon system do you think they mean?
bars mini cruise missiles.
tho doesn't share anything with taurus. nor is useful against hardened targets.

>>63973018
I think Rhinemetall have set up some stuff in Ukraine already, not sure if they have a factory there but there was some talk setting up with Ukrainian Defense Industry as part of a support and vehicle servicing company.
Not so much the propaganda but some degree of 'public image' with the voters I'd sort of bet on, course they're not going to be slinging the latest and greatest things for free, but there's a lot of technical and tooling that would help. Course its Germany doing it so it'll all be on paper, weigh the size of a small moon and have absolutely no connection to the modern world!
>You will also have to fill out a lot of forms
>Probably sit down with some very droll people and explain how you're absolutely not going to drop this on Palestinians... while anyone is watching

>>63960543 (OP)
>they are building thousands
u fucking brain-rotted degenerate
>>63972883
this was about drones like "Liutyi" , they mentioned a few hundred units, which is just negligible, russians launch that many shahed-type drones daily

>>63968624
I am not willing to die for an inch of European soil. You can defend your Muslims and Indians yourselves.

>>63973218
>this was about drones like "Liutyi"
not it wasn't. liutyi was already announced last week.

>>63973247
no one is asking

>>63973247
I take it back, just watched a nato edit on YouTube.

>>63973205
>I think Rhinemetall have set up some stuff in Ukraine already
They have.
Each of those operations is probably a separate project though. They could share staff and operations but are probably legally distinct.

>>63973218
More like Peklo and other V-1 esque "missiles".

>>63960543 (OP)
Genuine question, is the slicked side part just required for German officers? He is looking like he is 1 bad mustache away from Hitlermaxxing desu.

>>63974300
>the slicked side part just required for German officers
Probably more permitted than required.
That's basically as much hair as their grooming standards permit males to have.

>He is looking like he is 1 bad mustache away from Hitlermaxxing desu
You mean Hitler looked like a German soldier with a bad moustache?
That doesn't seem that wild.

Hitler was larping as a Prussian soldier...well, it's not really fair to call it larping because he was one once but he was deliberately affecting the style to appeal to veterans and young, low ranked soldiers as a political tactic.
Prussian grooming regs said that hair that stuck out from a hat must be kept short and anything under the hat was yours and you could do whatever.
This leads to lots of short sides with longer tops that had to be parted and slicked with gel to stay under the hat or (when out of uniform) stay neat without the hat.

tl;dr:
It's just Prussian/German military hair fashion and Freuding seems to be a bit of a traditionalist.
Can't let Hitler ruin everything.