Gripenbros i knell

Swedish military equipment always seemed the best to me.

It has the "it just werks" philosophy of soviet arms, avoiding feature creep and not coming with a bunch of logistical/financial/technical headaches that you get with american wunderwaffe, but unlike slavic stuff, it isn't shit and won't fall apart on you. It's "good enough" without that being a cope for it not actually being good.

>>63963815 (OP)
Makes sense for a small country with limited military budget, Gripen is better for operating from roads and other shitty airstrips.

>>63963821
nasams is pretty dope, cv90s are proven to kill russian shit.

>>63963826
Finland is Swedish Army. It's understandable. Our AF will rebase on swe allied improv tracks if & when invader will destroy our main fields. It would be crazy to think sweden would defend us with their troops, I for one never expected that.

>>63963821
you think that because it's not battle tested
>"it just werks" philosophy of soviet arms
soviet arms don't work tho

>>63963849
unironicially they do when none russians have them.
Russian gear is deadly in the hands of czechs, poles, various balkans groups others, vietnamese.

The weak link is the fact that the average russian soldier is a drunken lout raised in a society that punishes merit and thus turns out belligerent lazy drunken retards.
I have a lot of russian surp guns and they all run well despite being beat to shit and 60 years old. Their weapons are designed to operated by literal retards so theyre simple.
Obviously they dont compete with modern or even contemporary nato anything, but they do "just werk"

>>63963815 (OP)
America will cuck them.

>>63963821
Comparing soviet shit to swedish craftmenship is fucking cringe.

>>63963897
>swedish craftmenship
Swedish gear and guns are trash
They have some aesthetics going for them and they are moderately reliable and that's it
Soviet and Russian gear beats it out on both fronts

>>63963862
>muh monkey crews
slavshit is just shit, get over it already

>>63963906
Swedish guns are not crap.

They sell Carl Gustafs still to this day. Their cluster bombs were the standard until everyone agreed cluster bombs should not be used.
Their Archer artillery systems are world leading.
Their coms systems are maybe only outdone by America's.

The only gear of theirs that suck are their mags for their standard issue rifles until they fixed them about 5 years ago(not even a Swedish original design), the weather ponchos, and their plate carriers.

>>63963821
Soviet stuf just "just werk" though.

>>63963815 (OP)
So they're going to go for a high-low mix of the Gripen and KF21? The signed a contract to build parts for those and procure them later.

>>63963828
>Hank Hill defends Bobbeh from a Soviet tank

>>63963890
>>63963815 (OP)
This. Trump will be all like: "Oh wow, I am just about to sent a buncha million to Shining Path. Very good people, very patriotic. Buy our fighter jets."

>>63963815 (OP)
It's the only figher jet that makes sense for them. Peru has a ton of small shitty airfields that no F-16 could possible survive using. Gripen is super resistant to FOBS and can use small strips easily.

>>63963815 (OP)
LOL.. good luck.
Every Gripen sale has been sabotaged by the US so far. This one will too.

>>63963835
are you ok?

>>63964031
Except the hue one.
Though it's true the burgerians tend to fuck shit up with their refusal.
It's why I'm constantly buttmad at those Safran frogs, for not developing a more powerful M88 which can replace the F414.

>>63964041
>Except the hue one.
Yep. They even signed a deal to produce the planes in Brazil but that whole deal is in a limbo. Pentagon still hasn't signed off on it. And given that Lula's in charge and there's a 50% tariff on them now, it never will be approved.

It's incredibly hard to sell or do joint manufacturing of planes whose parts you don't actually own.

>>63963890
Where to get those pics for other jets

>>63963821
>It has the "it just werks" philosophy of soviet arms
does that include the buttsex?

This makes sense when you think about it. The rafale got humiliated by Pakistan, so it's a non-starter. The f-16 is okay, but it's too American for Peruvian politics ATM. That leaves the Gripen as the best pick.

>>63964038
He's not, he's finnish
Be nice

The F-16 block 70 is ugly as sin and the mutts will probably turn it off if you criticize israel or something

>>63963815 (OP)
Even if I didn't already like the Gripen I would support this move as it promotes competition and innovation in the field of weapons design
Props to Peru for their excellent taste

>>63963815 (OP)
Why doesn't sweden just make a cheaper version of the gripen to sell as a trainer?

>no killswitch
>no globohomo politics
>no pledging allegiance and loyalty to Israel
>no overpriced MIC contracts
>no more dealing with Boeing (I ain't going) and Lockmart
I hope Brazil and Sweden make engines so that we'll be free from GE too.

>>63964267
>>no killswitch
F414 is a product of America

>>63963890
>posted the outdated and irrelevant pic again
That's not even the correct generation or variant...

>>63963815 (OP)
Good morning saab.

will any of these planes matter in the next era of long range hypersonic missile warfare?

>>63964372
What do you hit the launch site with

>>63963821
Sadly we discontinued our tank-destroying cluster bombs because of bleeding hearts.

>>63964377
kamikaze gripens that were hit with SAMs

>>63964179
Unf

>>63963906
>Soviet and Russian gear beats it out on both fronts
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAJJAHAHHAHAHAHAHAJAHAHAHAKKKKKKKKKKKKKXAXAXAXAXACAXAXACACAXACACACACACACACJAJAJAJAJJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA
el russoANO senores y senoritas

>>63963821
>it just works mentality of soviet arms
Yeah like the bmd, bmp, btr, t-series turret tossers etc. That have the ergonomics made for midgets, paper armor and actively want to kill its crew with their poorly protected ammo dumps

>>63964372
Are these hypersaanics in the room with us now?

>>63963826
> limited military budget,
Some retards on /k/ and other milforums were trying to force the idea than the Gripen was more expensive to operate than a Super Hornet...

>>63964372
Is this the new thirdie talking point?

>>63964323
>outdated and irrelevant
>[citation needed]

>>63964372
>will a plane that can launch any missile matter when better missiles
Great point anon, we all know the F-15 because useless as soon as the AMRAAM entered service because you can't just put a new missile on an old plane.

>>63963815 (OP)
Mogged by drone

>>63964615
That pic is for the Gripen C (variant of Gripen specifically created to be NATO compatible so it's natural it'll have more US made components than usual, like the Super Tucano variant NATO compatible), SAAB had alternatives to most avionics and countries like Brazil removed most American components and as many non-local components as they could.

The age of twin engines is over.

>>63963940
>Their coms systems are maybe only outdone by America's.
The US has genuinely mid-tier comms capabilities.

The Gripen just needs thrust vectoring and it's the ultimate fighter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHKuhWzcRi4

>>63964686
>Brazil removed most American components and as many non-local components as they could.
Yet, it uses an American engine, which is the most important part of the plane.

>>63964896
> which is the most important part of the plane.
Only if you're an importer, with a production line replacing an engine is trivial
>b-but the airframe!
I said trivial. The Mirage III, MiG-29, MiG-23, most chink jets were modified to fit an engine of the same class. The F-16 (79) was an extreme case.
The most important part of a plane is the supply chain and production rights, something that for some planes you can't own (F-35).

>>63964920
>an engine is trivial
So why isn't SAAB nor Brazil replacing it?
>The most important part of a plane is the supply chain and production rights
Yes, which is non-existent with other planes...oh no.

>>63964959
The exports restrictions on the Gripen aren't related to the engine but the US gov itself and replacing the engine only would make it more expensive, if they replace it they'll use a different method to restrict and discourage exports (economic sanctions, price dumping and trade flexing, etc). Now if the US keeps acting like a schizo dipshit then they'll end replacing it by force
>the T boomer just sanctioned Brazil with tariffs because his bro, bolzonaro-the-coup-d-etat-retard is getting justice and will rot in jail.

Btw why isn't the US replacing the MB of the F-35?

>>63963815 (OP)
More like they bought the only aircraft they could afford.

I'm actually expecting Trump to threaten to stop providing the engine to any Grupen-using country not kneeling to him over trade deal.

>>63965856
They'll just replace it with the Eurojet, which already can be installed on the Gripen.

>>63963835
after full mobilization we still have 600k reservists to call on, all we need is equipment, if Svea-mamma can keep the air clear of sukhois and migs & someone gives us guns and trucks to equip the remaining 600k reserves we'll manage longer than ruskis can keep attacking us.

>>63965868
>They'll just replace it with the Eurojet,
Yeah, I'm sure they can.
>which already can be installed on the Gripen.
With extensive testing and changes in aerodynamics, sure.

>>63965068
>Now if the US keeps acting like a schizo dipshit then they'll end replacing it by force
>by force
LOL

>>63965856
Oy vey shut it down

>>63966040
I mean in a worst case scenario, it's probably worthy spend years and another half a billion doing it.

It's not just Trump but the entire US govts aren't just being trustworthy anymore.
I can only imagine countries like Ukraine or Taiwan seeing all this shit unfold.

>>63963815 (OP)
>poor South American country chooses the cheapest (according to SAAB marketing) option

Yes?

>>63966080
>It's not just Trump but the entire US govts aren't just being trustworthy anymore.

These are always amusing because they can never actually quantify America being untrustworthy to its allies.

>>63966099
>they can never actually quantify America being untrustworthy to its allies.
Bitch, please. The only "ally" the current American government is loyal to is the one that bombed the USS Liberty.

>>63963815 (OP)
All euro fighters are a testament to their cowardice
they all are made to be so tiny that they have no room for fuel or munitions in order to perform missions in a global space, IE ability to actually truly contribute to coalition
but they benefit from the on paper stats you get with a tiny airframe and big engine

the three serious players, USA, Russia and China make their fighters with actual real world capability, which is why they are so much larger.

>>63966196
F-16 internal fuel capacity: 7000 US gal
Eurofighter internal fuel capacity: 1,642 US gal

LOL
LMAO EVEN

Gripen internal fuel capacity: 1,150 US Gal
LOL
Rafale internal fuel capacity: 1,671 US gal

>>63966196
The EF has better range than the Super Hornet and a FB variant could carry a few tons more of payload.

>>63966210
Tell me that's just a typo instead of you having an american understanding of numbers...

>>63963821
>Swedish military equipment always seemed the best to me.

Literally made to be used by Royal hands. Have to keep it tip top quality.

It's a good plane tho

>>63963849
>>63963907
>>63963897
>ukraine's Soviet arsenal helped them recapture kherson, kiev, sumy, ans Kharkiv
>western equipment result in the 2023 counter offensive and kursk
Uhh

>>63966278
Christ she's hideous

>>63963815 (OP)
Good morning saab!

>>63963821
yea, it's good for an air force that basically doesn't have to do anything relevant and doesn't have to project itself around the globe neither.
oh and when it's about intercepting Russian aircrafts in the north sea or baltic sea it's always the French and Brits doing it, and thank god they don't use the Gripen.

>>63966366
>Ukrainians have to resort to cope cages because they're too poor to afford cope cages
Grim

>>63964896
IIRC they're looking at putting an EJ2000 engine in it instead.

>>63966409
>looking at
It would take them as much time as developing a new aircraft.

>>63964372
PATRIOT still exists, so yeah

>>63964160
>Where to get those pics for other jets
it's probably the same for any western jet, by and large

>>63963821
TL;DR no shit, it's the same country the Micro T2 comes from.

>>63963815 (OP)
Is Lockheed Martin getting sabotaged or something? The Philippines also just recently picked the Gripen over the F16 for their pick of fighter jet.

>>63968310
After the 1960s most South American countries rarely buys US weapons larger than a surplus howitzer or trucks, only European, and soviet/ex-soviet during the late cold war and 1990s. There're few exceptions like (helicopters) Colombia, Venezuela, (F-16) Argentina and Chile (F-16, SPG). Venezuela obviously isn't getting more weapons and Argentina it's hard to tell, but the second hand F-16 acquisition to an European country could be an isolated case.

>>63964719
if anything the age of single engine is over
>f35 is going to get 2 engines
>f47 is twin
>chinks are now all 2 and 3
Single engine is a liability

>>63966210
F16 3175kg internal capacity
EF 4996kg (single seater) internal capcity

Moron.

>>63969099
The J-10 is the backbone of the PLAAF. And China still keeps upgrading the JF-17.
retard

>>63963815 (OP)
gg

>>63963862
>Russian gear is deadly in the hands of czechs, poles, various balkans groups others, vietnamese.
it's crap, a lump hammer can be 'deadly' The US lost in Vietnam due to sucessful Russian subversion of American political life and media, just like now with maga and /pol/. etc

>>63966358
Would you look at that, another western AFV that looks like it saved it's crew before burning after being abandoned.

>>63969171
expendables export models.

>>63963821
Yeah

>>63968962
Mainly because the US doesn't let them have the shiny new stuff, they always sell a gimped version or surplus from FMS.

People still remember the whole AMRAAM debacle with Chile or Argentina not managing to get Exocets due to bong pressure.

So European, Russian/Chinese or Brazilian is a "safer" choice.

>>63969302
>Mainly because the US doesn't let them have the shiny new stuff,
No, only when countries go full anti-US and political persecution the US will block (direct) sales.

>gimped
Chile has modern missiles...
> Argentina not managing to get Exocets due to bong pressure.
France simply didn't want to supply a problematic country during a war, especially when they had to transport them to another continent. France kept selling after the war ended even if Argentina was a political clusterfuck that always cancelled their acquisitions when they had to deposit the cash. That was completely unrelated to the England or the US.

>So European, Russian/Chinese or Brazilian is a "safer" choice.
Most SA countries acquired ex-Warsaw but non-Russian, like Czech, Polish, East German, etc. Russia never was a stable supplier and they always ripped off people with the spare parts.

The problem with the US is their insistence with trying to influence internal politics and the completely schizophrenic foreign policy in that region since the 1950s. The US constitution is meaningless outside American borders...

>>63969353
to England*

>>63963815 (OP)

>>63969353
>Most SA countries acquired ex-Warsaw but non-Russian, like Czech, Polish, East German

This is absolutely untrue. Peru got an absolutely gigantic amount of Soviet arms. Mexico also got a lot of Russian helicopters and vehicles, however they didn't really ask for them, Russia just defaulted on a debt to Mexico and gave them that instead of cash.

PeruANO here, they haven't signed anything yet but it's almost sure they will go for the Gripens. The purchase has been criticized because the Air Force said having combat experience was an essential requirement. I get why we're going with the Gripens though, they're cheaper and easier to operate, the canard makes it almost impossible to stall, they can take-off from a highway if needed, better sensor fusion, bigger range and the armament is just as good, plus the Swedes are open to a technology transfer. What worries me is that they're going to be made in Brazil and we will become dependent on them if we want to keep them flying. Colombia is also buying Gripens, the idea was having the entire region rely on them. Argentina probably suspected this so they chose to buy older F-16s from Denmark earlier this year despite being in the same trade bloc. It seems the region is rearming. Traditionally our security concerns come from Ecuador and Chile, Ecuador doesn't have any attack aircraft, but Chile has a lot of older F-16s. Ultimately, it's a numbers game and we're on a fixed budget. After the deed is done we're most likely buying K2 tanks from Korea.

>>63972439
>1680560855205728.webm
da fuq am i looking at here

>>63972451
it's called a Unix timestamp

>>63972263
That huge rearmament in the 70s was one of the main contributors to our default in 80s, the idea was to retake our lost southern province back from Chile, but while our dictator died after fucking up the economy for nothing, theirs fixed up their economy and in the late 90s they took back the lead

>>63972622
Would Peru have been better than Chile if they took back that region? IIRC, Chile bankrolled most of it's development via assets mined from there. Surprised me to learn that Peru has the second highest IQ in the region despite being not southern cone.

>>63972263
>Mexico also got a lot of Russian helicopters and vehicles, however they didn't really ask for them, Russia just defaulted on a debt to Mexico and gave them that instead of cash.

If anyone has the pasta about this please post

>>63972263
>Mexico also got a lot of Russian helicopters and vehicles, however they didn't really ask for them, Russia just defaulted on a debt to Mexico and gave them that instead of cash.
Didn't they do the same thing to South Korea?

>>63966099
Watch how this Americunt suddenly becomes illiterate after I post evidence:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Parliamentary_Committee_investigation_of_the_NSA_spying_scandal

>>63972636
Not really, most of their cooper production takes place in a region called Antofagasta which was Bolivian, the region we wanted back (Tarapacá) is north of it. Back in colonial times the silver came mostly from Bolivia as well, but back then it was called Alto Perú (literally High Peru). We may have been better if Bolivia stayed Alto Perú though (surely Bolivia would be). I wouldn't trust any self-purported measure of national IQ without knowing the sample or test, much less comparisons between them, PISA is probably a better proxy for it.

>>63963815 (OP)
Brazil is also likely selecting the CV90 with local variants and production soon too. The Lynx, K21 and Safa are likely out. Everything's coming up Swedehouse.

From and Airshow yesterday in Colombia, they are set to sign a contract for 16-24 Gripens in September and 3 KC-390s are also being negociated.

>>63972644
That was pretty much how they got Russian equipement in the 90's.

Brazil also got Mi-24 from a deal where they sold them meat. The first option was to buy Pantsirs, but they got helicopters instead that nobody wanted and got dumped into the Air-Force.

And when they actually managed to give it an useful role, the Russians fucked it by not sending them spare parts. So they retired their Mi-24 after just 12 years of operation.

Which sucks because they were actually pretty neat and had their usesfulness in the amazon.

>>63969353
>The problem with the US is their insistence with trying to influence internal politics and the completely schizophrenic foreign policy in that region since the 1950s.
This, americans often use its military equipment as leverage to get advantage in other areas with smaller countries

>manual cope crank
It is made for poor countries who can't afford good stuff.

>>63974418
nice cope locksneedful

>>63972451
RC plane failing catastrophically

>>63963815 (OP)
>3.5 billion
are they buying like 2?

>>63968310
I mean, F16 got down in Ukraine, Rafale got down in India, you're left with Gripen or EF. They would get shot the same way, but hey, you never know.

>>63974922
24, $145 million each