I'm tired of buying shit guns being a poorfag. Should I just save up for an SP5 or is it just an overpriced meme gun? It would probably cost more than my current collection but I suppose it would actually be something that holds it's value better than the jewish confetti I use to buy it. Am I wrong on this? Should I just buy a shitload of ammo and practice with my poorfag guns?

yes. i've shot HK civi mp5s and they feel and shoot exactly the same as the century ones.

3k buys you a high-end AR of your choice, meanwhile with that thing you STILL have to buy a 300 dollar brace/stock, a 200 dollar (shitty) claw-mount rail and a bunch of 50 dollar magazines.

>>63967478 (OP)
Not if you get a folding stock for it

>>63967505
how much are they and how involved is it to install compared to an AR

>>63967508

yeah

>>63967478 (OP)
Just get an AP5 if your a poorfag.

>>63967478 (OP)
>Buying anything other than a gen 3 g19 and a PSA AR15
KYS noguns faggot

>>63967587
the lowest quality post of the day

>>63967590
>he thinks I was baiting
>he doesn't know every other gun is a jewish scam

>>63967587
I've got two PSA ARs, I thought that was pretty obvious in the first post.

>>63967478 (OP)
Put that money towards getting an education or learning an employable skill so you can actually afford guns and ammo without having to eat ramen.

Just get a PTR clone or AP5. 0 reason to buy from H&K

>>63967478 (OP)
>3000 DOLLARIDOS?!

Buy some lit nods instead

>>63967478 (OP)
one thing of nore is that if you want a super safety on it you need an ar lower for it

>>63967478 (OP)
Extremely

>>63967807
really? That might be a deal breaker if true. PSA's ar9s are a shitshoot from what I've heard. IDK though I just have a couple ar15s.

>>63967807
>>63967849
there is an SS for mp5. Leber is one of them.

There is zero reason to drop three large on a HK MP5 now, unless you like chasing rollmarks. Just get an AP5.

>getta PissShitArms
>getta Shitury
>getta PussyTurdRifle

All poor fags who shoot <1000 rds a year but yes anon this is retarded but being retarded can be fun like the anons shown above

>>63967587
>gen 3 g19
Literally the worst generation of glock. Clearly the only reason you parrot that is some faggot told you they were good because you can buy them in San Francisco.

HK selling these for 3k is just for the brand name. Get an AP5 then replace it with an HK lower with a Franklin or Springfield triggerpack.

>>63967948
you have to be 18 to post here

>>63967968
Post gun over $800

>>63967948
Nah. Since I got my MKE (Zenith import before the fallout) in 2019 I think I've gotten north of 12k rounds through it. Only real hiccup was when the extractor got worn to the pound of faulty ejection.

What’s the best retractable brace for an sp5?

>>63967998
Just to show how crunchy things are getting.

>heres my uber rare discontinued and import banned kp9
>I paid $830 for it but i'll sell it for $2,400. its basically the russian mp5 bro I know what I got
for real tho paying hk prices for a mp5 is gay unless you're rich or want to suppress a pcc, but then you're literally shooting a $4k 9mm fancy handgun
just buy a glock 19, put a extendo clip and a blicky with the switchy on it if you want to look cool on the interwebs

>>63968056
I hate glocks now because of niggers.

Perfectly fine handgun, but it's like when I found out my favorite soda was imported from Bosnia. I threw up for 5 hours, while eating Serbian mints to cope

>>63968021
>still getting a brace
but if your going that route hkpdw or KES brace

>>63967478 (OP)
2000$
Integrally suppressed
1 tax stamp
DAT COLT COMMANDO LOOK

>>63967478 (OP)
I have a Paki and an SP5 and while the Paki *did* require some troubleshooting to get it to work flawlessly (the major culprit was the old geometry ejector it came with), it now works just as well as the HK.
Also I was an early adopter and today's clones should run just fine out of the box.
There's no functional difference, just some nicer welds and better fit+finish (and maybe some % in barrel life but let's be real here, if you're waffling over a $3k purchase, you're not shooting the gun out in your lifetime).

>>63968187
NTA but I hear that a lot about both Turk and Paki; pretty much both have the same minimal issues and easy fixes, then they're fine; makes it hard to choose. Wonder which has a slight edge. Barrel threading and lug quality (concentricity, etc) is the only thing I think one may have over the other if at all; that would be hard to measure without a large sample size of both, though.

>>63967478 (OP)
If you want a heckler and jewkoch SP5 and want to spend five stribogs on it, nobody here is going to stop you.

>>63967988
>At least he's not a tripfag
>At least he's not a tripfag YET

>>63968260
I PROMISE I will never be a triple faggot

>>63967478 (OP)
Too expensive. PCCs aren't very useful. If you've got an MP5 boner just get one in .22, shoot it twice like you always do with every gun you buy, and put it away forever.

>>63967948
Have you ever handled either?

I like my cx4 but honestly if you live no where near an area to shoot over 50yds just buy handguns.

>>63967478 (OP)
if you got screwey money lying around go for it. If you're just middle class go for PTR or century. They all shoot the fucking same and the design itself is so rock solid even the cheaper models run better than the price would suggest.

I guess the real question is how badly do you want the approval of boomers at the range when you say 'yes it's a REAL hk!'?

>>63968139
AR development should have been frozen in time at the m16a2

>>63968342
ridiculous advice. shooting 22lr isn't fun and I'm tired of pretending it is. I'm sick of 22lr, it sucks. It's like sex with a condom on, through a fence.

>>63967988
>Post gun over $800
LoL the Beretta ultima patrol a300. That's like $900 on sale. Acting like price of a gun is some sort of pwn then posting the budget 1301 isn't a pwn my dude.
>>63968260
Exactly this. They already seem insufferable.

>>63968255
HK are made by Turks in a Turkey Minor (Germany) on German tooling.
>>63968215
Turkish MP5 are made by Turks in Turkey Proper on German tooling.

They're just as good as that point and the AP5 is like $1000

No it’s not. I own one and the people who say a cheap knock off shoots the same run into issues when running hollow points, suppressing, or modifying the sp5. It’s a smooth shooting gun and great for range plinking and home defense. It’s my only trilug setup and I love it

>>63969151
>the people who say a cheap knock off shoots the same run into issues when running hollow points, suppressing, or modifying the sp5
wdhmbt

>>63968933
>defends shit manufacturers
>u only posted a $900 lel
>still posts no guns

>>63967948
Do you own an MP5

>>63968700
What kills me about the SP5 is it's by far the most castrated version available. You're paying a premium to have a two-pin MP5 with a big warning label on the magwell. If I'm paying $3000 for a clone of something I don't want it to be less authentic than a fucking Roach offering at 1/3 the cost. It's asinine.

>>63969455
Flexing on somebody that thinks a Beretta A300 is expensive so calls people poors is kind of retarded, but this count? Think my tripod was $700 by itself.

>>63969612
Nice airsoft

>>63969617
Thanks. Need to finish the second one. Haven't even cleaned cosmoline from all the cut up parts on second kit. Super safety on an ap5 is just too damn fun, haven't even gotten to starting any other kit builds.

>>63967988

>>63969648
Unless you have an FFL and make that thing based you're fucking stupid for spending all that time for a semi auto...

>>63969660
>semi belt fed
>retarded gun just for fun
>AR trigger group
>FRT and Super Safeties have been around for years and gaining popularity
>just matter of time to have a super safe big boy belt fed
Remember being poor is a mindset and only you keep yourself poor. Learn to budget and plan ahead. Don't just parrot whatever social media hype beast tell you to.

>>63969745
You're poor, you just waste your money on bullshit the moment you get it, it seems. Not even financially secure enough to get an SOT eh? Stop wasting your money on shit that impresses PSA owners only.

>>63970319
>he thinks an SOT is a free machine gun license
you don't have an SOT you stupid nigger

>>63970338
You're just too poor then.

spending $3k+ on any gun is overconsumption

spending $3k+ on a name-brand plinker is stupid

>>63970347

>>63970357
All you're doing is making valuable parts kits more expensive for everyone else. Go on and be spiteful about that I guess.

>>63970366
>making valuable parts kits more expensive for everyone else
sounds like you're just too poor then

>>63967478 (OP)
Buy a nice rifle, Sako etc

>>63970368
Your ego is cute, but without actually being able to make your bubba job into a proper full auto I'm not impressed.

>>63970376
tongue my anus

>>63967478 (OP)
>holds it's value
Buy gold, guns are tools not investments.

>>63970429
Curious statement.

>>63969455
>>63969617
>>63969660
just take the L dude jfc

>>63970498
I hate things people need or enjoy being turned into speculative investments and pushed out of the reach of the average man.
I don't need gold, I don't need stocks, I do need a house, I do need guns.

>>63969570
asinine is right, but hey, the MP5 we got at home and it's pretty good.

>>63967478 (OP)

get MKE/AP5, its less cucked

>>63970614
Inflexible demand will turn anything into a speculative asset so long as money can buy it.

>>63970684
In a free market yes, in a regulated market you can use tax incentives to push investment where it does the least harm.

>>63970721
Okay, but what wealthy interest group is going to push for regulation there?

>>63970736
That's why we need guns.

>>63970753
That's why they need to buy them up.

>>63970753
nobody is shooting these interest groups they can do whatever they want regardless of how many guns flood the streets.

Hey, I've got an ap5 with the mke a3 stock, it's a very tight fit and doesn't move through the rails very well. Did I get a lemon or install it wrong? Or do I need to lube the damn thing?

Just build a short barrel suppressed AR10 chambered in 8.6 blackout.

>>63970319
I’m sorry for upsetting you. Please don’t beat your dog or whatever fucked up thing you do when you’re angry.

>>63967478 (OP)
It's about $300 more than you could get it elsewhere so yeah.

Also HK's SP5 quality is no better than third world turkshit.

>>63969570
>You're paying a premium to have a two-pin MP5

Did you mean one pin?
By the way, the most bizarre part about that is that the europoor SP5 version comes with the correct rear sight drum (not the k version) and no warning labels (it does have the shelf w/o a front pin, but that is an easy fix, or rather, it used to be before all HK surplus got gobbled up by American le happy merchants.)

>>63967478 (OP)
What’s even the point of owning an smg in fucking semi auto?

>>63972654
>what's the point of being able to dump 30 rounds of 9mm into a dinner plate at 50yd in 10 seconds

>>63972665
Yep, that’s why real world tactical units all run semi auto smg’s

>>63972654
forced reset trigger

>>63972666
Nice goalpost shift. What is the point of owning an AR in fucking semi auto?

>>63972675
Ar engagements distances favor semi auto.

>>63972654
what's the point of owning literally any select fire gun in semi auto?

>>63972686
Because it’s better than no guns.

>>63972654
Super Safeties and frts. Fully semi autos are a thing now. Don't be a faggot.

>>63972654
There wasn't one before people started dropping supers into pcc lowers, now we just have actual smgs
>>63972666
I was all about the super short AR trend until we got legal fully semi auto, now there's actually a strong use case for rocking a Mac 11, MP5 or P90 for home defense. It's unlikely civis will benefit from the barrier penetration or range you get from going to rifle calibers unless you live out in the mountains or something

bump

Don’t listen to these anons. The SP5 is definitely worth it, but not for $3,000.

Wait until you can find it for around $2,500

>>63974894
I'd wait til they're $1,800.

>>63974906
You will literally never find one for that low, but good luck. I’d buy another if I found it for that price

>>63972597
>Did you mean one pin?
Nope, counting the handguard there should be three pins, but the SP5 gets two.
>the europoor SP5 version comes with the correct rear sight drum (not the k version)
Wait do the Burger SP5s still come with the K sight? I'd heard that stopped being a thing a while back.
>>63972654
Until you try it you just won't get it.

>>63972654
>what's the point of owning an accurate, reliable, cool looking gun that shoots cheap, readily available ammunition with next to no recoil and also suppresses really well
I don't know Einstein, you tell me why people would like that.

>>63975246
>Nope, counting the handguard there should be three pins
Right. I just usually see people call it two vs 1pin.

>I'd heard that stopped being a thing a while back.
Could be, I looked at online retailers and saw K sights everywhere including HK USA but that could be just stock pictures.
Looking at Gunbroker there are standard sights in circulation as well, so looks like they unfucked at least one thing.
(Also this has exposed me to the unholy abomination that is the babypoop brown MP5, one more reason to hate Gunbroker.)

>>63975246
What’s the difference between the MP5 and MP5k sights?

>>63976480
hole vs notches
this is from a video game and kinda wrong but good enough for illustration purposes
the one called g3 would be the mp5k style but more of the drum rotations are v notches

>>63976539
>>63976480
Not a great illustration, that's the G3 notch which is different (and also being used wrong here, you're supposed to use the V with the front sight), the K has rectangular notches.

>>63974894
You can find used and sale new in boxes for ~2.5 right now

>>63970595
Cope I’m only the first one you listed

>>63974894
>Premium shit is worth it if it's slightly discounted while still astronomically high compared to competition
Give me a reason to get an HK if I can get any turkshit that can run a safety for 1k. Give me details like how many rounds it takes to break a turkshit vs HK, because you can't and won't because you own neither

>>63980600
you will see multiple posters here that can prove they own both or have owned both and none of them will say the official offering is better in any real practical sense, and most will readily say $3,000 for the sp5 is ridiculous

you don't "need" a mp5. it's a luxury purchase just like a sports car or a fancy watch. now ask yourself if you're spending the money for a watch when your $40 timex works fine already do you want a real rolex or a chinese bootleg? do you want a gun that says "Heckler & Koch" on the side or one that says "Made in Pakistan?"

>>63980600
>>63980780
They're both made by Turks anyway

>>63967478 (OP)
No regerts

>>63967478 (OP)
Yes, it is very dumb.

The gun itself is fine and all but if you are poor, 3k is a lot of money to waste on a PCC. That's a lot of money you can be spending on ammunition, training worthwhile upgrades to your existing ARs that you'll take months saving up just to get a neat trinket to impress people who you will never meet.

There are cheaper MP5 clones that will do the job, but won't impress people as much. There are MUCH cheaper PCCs that will sling 9mm marginally better than a regular pistol and still be tons of fun to shoot.
No PCC is really worth spending thousands of dollars on unless that money means nothing to you. They are mostly over hyped range toys.

If you are still trying to rationalize saving up 3k to impress people on /k/ you need to stop and rethink how you are approaching life. Buy things for yourself, not because other people might think they are cool.

>>63967478 (OP)
>I'm tired of buying shit guns
This is the right attitude.

A PCC is a pretty dumb thing to spend $3k on though.

Better off buying a nice AR+optic, or even a high end handgun or something.

>>63984350
AR15s are gay though

>>63984355
Well that's like, your opinion, man.

They are by far the most cost effective and readily available option on the market. Nothing else is even close.
If pockets are deep then sure, it can make sense to branch out to more niche weapon systems but for a poorfag an AR is the alpha and the omega. A cheap fun PCC on the side might make sense, but not one that's $900-3000+

>>63984355
You'll grow up eventually.
The more you shoot, the more you'll realize it's the most widely adopted rifle in the non-poor world for good reason. Then you'll be able to get over being such a dipshit and recognize it for its qualities as a rifle instead of as an artifact of your identity politics.

>>63984355
Get a Glock + optic then.

>>63970498
no he's right. Guns basically lose half of their value the minute they touch the customers hands unless they are genuine mil-surp. The only way you are getting any money for a gun that compares to what you spent is if you seal it in a climate controlled case for 100 years.

>>63967478 (OP)
They make FRTs for those now so its definitely a great time to buy, though i recall the build is involved. I think you buy a new receiver. Yes its pricey. Yes an AR15 would be more useful. Also consider $3k is entry level night vision and thermal territory.

>>63967955
Gen 3 has largest aftermarket and JAG clones due to patent expiration, that's the reason its cited. Buy whatever you like.

>>63980600
>you own neither
>he said in a reply to a post showing me literally shooting my SP5
???

By all accounts the Turk clones are “just as good” with lower quality finish and QC. The parts that aren’t easily replaceable will probably run for just about as long as the HKs. That being said, I don’t trust Turkish or Pakistani weapons, which is why I also bought a Benelli M4 instead of a Turknelli. If you have the money to get the real thing you should absolutely get it. If you’re just scraping up enough to get $1,000 then get the clone because it’ll scratch the itch

>>63967478 (OP)
Century/PTR clones are just as good and if you've got $$$$ to throw at something MP5-shaped, Dakota Tactical clones are better.
Unless you already have a PVS-14 I can't recommend in good faith spending that kind of money on any gun when $2000 or so will get you practically whatever you want.

>>63967955
Gen 1+2 have nostalgia/retro appeal.
Gen 3 has an extremely robust aftermarket because the patents have expired and a substantial track record while still having the option of a light rail.
Gen 5 is the current thing that Glock GmbH is supporting.
Gen 4...

>>63968696
The CX4 is (was) great because it looks cool and the straight blowback action makes it useful for training intermediate caliber recoil management at half the price.

>>63967478 (OP)
>Should I just save up for an SP5
>or is it just an overpriced meme gun?
The answer is yes, just do what makes you happy.

>>63967963
That's nice

>>63967478 (OP)
Considering you can get one for $500 less on other sites, yes that would be a retarded purchase.

>>63986176
>rescue 8
How come I never see american SWAT dudes with cool climbing shit?

>>63967478 (OP)
Yes. But more ago and shoot it

>>63987450
*buy more ammo

>>63967478 (OP)
Ask yourself what does a $3,000 gun that shoots 9mm gets you? Buy a $1,000 MP5 come on anon

>>63967478 (OP)
Stribog
No questions
Only stribog

>>63986676
Too fat

>>63984404
>thread about smgs
>posts musket size reddit AR
Yikes

>>63967478 (OP)
Get an AP5 it's cheaper and made with the same machines that make overpriced SP5s

>>63967478 (OP)
>overpriced meme gun?
Don’t know about that, but without the full auto and a stock it’s a cope gun.

>>63987881
I've been leaning toward the $1k-$1.5k area after the last couple days. Just worried about the bolt gap thing I've been hearing about. IDK if it's just some overblown shit or not. Looks like MAC imports them as well.

>>63984404
why is that foregrip up so far? I got trex arms and even mine is out further than that.

>>63988745
I would like to SBR it. I'm thinking the full auto(ish) path depends on which particular clone because some seem to require more tedious work for conversion than others.

>>63984404
>>63988925
that is the normal default forgrip position if it was a carbine handguard.
just dead center.
you shouldnt think its odd.

>>63967478 (OP)
Outclassed by a honey badger or a rattler instead.