Thread 63969637

>Moment a Russian Shahed drone is shot down over Odesa
First video showing an Ukrainaian interceptor drone.
if this works well, russia will have spent a lot of money for nothing.

Also, could this kind of fast drones be used against missiles?

>>63969637 (OP)
Israel could probably use stuff like that too.

>>63969637 (OP)
> be used against missiles?
no

that looks more like aaa to me
you can see the previous bursts nearby
and what they zoom in on is unrelated

>>63969659
you can clearly see that an "object" is speeding toward the drone.

>>63969682
you can't see it without the zoom in, and it vanishes too much in the frames
you'd be able to see it fine if it was big enough to take out the shahed
probably a bug
i'd say it caught a 40mm round based on what's shown

>>63969692
>you'd be able to see it fine if it was big enough to take out the shahed
shaheds are 3.5m long
this drone >>63969646 is around 50cm. So 7x smaller.
this match what you see on the video

>probably a bug
are you trolling or some paid shill?

>>63969637 (OP)
>Interceptor drone
Not an AA missile? It seemed to be moving awfully fast. Where's the line anyway? Drone seems to be such a buzzword.

>>63969637 (OP)
All I'm going to say is that lately I've been hearing a lot of explosions at an altitude that were not preceded by machine gun fire.

>>63969736
>Not an AA missile?
AA missiles are almost as long as a shahed so it's clearly not that...
>It seemed to be moving awfully fast
that's the point of an interceptor drone.. also shaheds are slow as fuck

Ukrainian are starting to mass produce those interceptor drones so I don't understand why this is a big surprise.

>>63969682
>>63969722
Was gonna say maybe they've gotten some of those Anduril interceptors, but those things are pretty huge. Something like >>63969646 definitely fits the bill.
>>63969736
>Where's the line anyway?
Seems to be
prop/fan driven = drone
jet/rocket powered = missile
I'm sure there are exceptions.
>>63969764
>AA missiles are almost as long as a shahed
APKWS are literally perfect for this job (especially now that they've gotten a dual mode seeker) and are very small, not that that's what's shown in the OP

Does 'drone' just mean 'slow missile' at this point?

>>63969822
It also means unmanned airplane and also tiny rotorcraft

>Look ukraine got a new wonderweapon
>We are gonna win the 2weeks special defensive operation any day now.

so wait, ukrainian posted this recently.
apparently it's the last model

>>63969780
Given the low altitudes Shadeds fly at, could the dual mode's reach them if launched from the ground as a SAM? They've fit those bitches on the backs of pickup trucks, maybe could be possible with an external laser guider to lock it on? Could be an interesting application for those not blessed by the Apache.

Though this is most def new Ukie interceptor.

>>63969845
Cry more zigger, nobody claimed that. It's just fun to see the new developments Ukies come up with.

Furthermore, I consider TZD a moral imperative.

>>63969845
must be awful to be on the losing side when you thought this would be an easy victory.
I just saw that Lavrov is in North Korea today, begging for more help from the rice farmers.
embarrassing as fuck lmao
I bet that in 3 years North Korea will be stronger than russia

>>63969845
>OUR DRONES WILL BLOT OUT THE SUN
>oh wait no they won't

>>63969637 (OP)
is that glare or electrical arcing?

>>63969871
>Given the low altitudes Shadeds fly at, could the dual mode's reach them if launched from the ground as a SAM? They've fit those bitches on the backs of pickup trucks, maybe could be possible with an external laser guider to lock it on? Could be an interesting application for those not blessed by the Apache.
Ukraine has already gotten some of these kits. Personally I think they need a larger pod though, 4 shots is very limiting.
That Ukraine aid package that got redirected to the Middle East last month apparently had 20,000 APKWS, probably the standard laser guided versions.

>>63969822
"Drone" implies loiter time.

>>63969906
Yeah I remembered seeing Ukies with them already, but I doubt they've gotten the dual modes with passive IR guidance since I think those are only air-to-air for now? But wouldn't put it past the Ukies to try to SAM with them if they indeed got the dual mode ones.

>>63969637 (OP)
>russia will have spent a lot of money for nothing
That isn't how counters work in reality, they forced Ukraine to spend time, money and manpower to develop this counter and Ukraine will need to dedicate production to it for it to remain effective.
I fucking hate ziggers and I would be saything the same thing with the countries reversed, just sick of tourists that don't understand logistical burden as military stratergy.

>>63969918
>I think those are only air-to-air for now?
I can't think of any reason they would be. The entire point is that it's a modular upgrade. It should just work with everything that fits the 70mm form factor.

>>63969932
I mean that's what I was going for as well, the only problem I see is not having enough propellant to reach altitude, but I could see them reaching Shadeds. Air-to-Air mode you've already got the launch platform's speed & altitude to work with so the rocket doesn't have to do the heavy lifting of getting up there, but there is potential.

>>63969864
Damn image flying that into a Zigger skull

>>63969947
Newer Shaheds/Gerans fly up to 10k feet, right? APKWS has a max range of ~5km or less when fired from a stationary platform, limited by using the standard Hydra-70 booster. It could be a pretty tight window depending on the situation.
There are companies working on extended range boosters though, since the seeker is functional out to something like 15km

>>63969864
Similar drone interceptor is also being developed in Latvia
I knew I saw this kind of design before
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiyUKK1lLzA&ab_channel=DefenceIndustryEurope

>>63969972
There's also gravity losses to consider when going up with SAM's, pic related. I could see it working, but yeah the window of interception would be pretty slim. With extended boosters, they'd for sure got the reach to touch them though. Could have better accuracy with the engagement window if you include AI in the targeting loop with the laser designator.

>>63969996
>Put on them on weather baloons
>Can release them when needed and they re already high.

>>63969845
Wait, are you russoid turdskins now pretending that Ukraine was the superpower promising to win the war quickly? kek. the phrase "3 day SMO" has caused you browns a great deal of rage, hasn't it?

I feel like Iron Dome would be extremely useful for Ukraine to have. While Israel might not have spare productive capacity, they could have Ukraine license build the system. At 50k a pop, Tamir interceptors would be fairly good for use against both strike and reconnaissance drones, and maybe even Lancets, their 70 km range gives them a lot more reach than ground-based guns or interceptor drones. Ukraine has cheaper cost of labor than Israel and might be able to get the cost per interceptor below 50k. Now that Russia has left Syria and Israel has given Patriots to Ukraine, this seems like a great way for Israel to contribute to the security of the collective west and earn money from royalties while not doing any work themselves.

>>63969845
Imagine losing your hyperborean wunderwaffle to a 40$ alibaba drone? Two more shaheed waves and hohol will surrender amiright?

>>63969926
>That isn't how counters work in reality, they forced Ukraine to spend time, money and manpower to develop this counter and Ukraine will need to dedicate production to it for it to remain effective.
Ah yes, because all those shahed were free and grow on trees in russia
>just sick of tourists that don't understand logistical burden as military stratergy.
feel free to leave then retard
try /v/

>>63969926
>That isn't how counters work in reality, they forced Ukraine to spend time
Ukraine has been shopping around joint-ventures for >1 year for the interceptor drone concept, and by their own admission began production work on it 6 months ago. ie It isn't just a purely Ukrainian investment, and given that, there is likely a driving belief of a greater market post-war. Unsurprising.
>dedicate production to it for it to remain effective
Speaking of, the cost of sneed production is estimated at $100 million USD, per month. Given it is popularly believed the RU MoD is targeting 700-1000 sneeds daily, that's more than twice their current output.

Economies of scale are a thing, sure, but it isn't unthinkable to say they're going to be spending >$200 million USD a month on sneeds. In the ball-park of $3 billion USD a year. And something tells me there isn't a catalog of foreign buyers all that interested in sneeds, limiting potential for anything other than Russian-state purchases. Which, traditionally, isn't the most reliable thing one it reaches critical overcapacity. See Russia/Soviet Union by the late 80's early 90's.

>>63969996(me)
I put this question to ChatGPT's newest model with the deep research option and it actually came up with a case of Ukies already having used the AKWPS against a Shahed, specifically the Vampire system.

>https://www.kyivpost.com/post/28023#:~:text=An%20unidentified%20Ukrainian%20navy%20operator,expletive%5D%20Yes%21%E2%80%9D

So it definitely seems to be possible to use it in a SAM mode, neat! It also did a lot of simulations with python & other research too to back this up. This is its conclusion after a second round of research:

>In summary, a vehicle-mounted APKWS provides a physics-limited, short-range air defense capability against Shahed-class drones. When launched from ground level with no initial speed, its effective engagement envelope is roughly 3 km in range and ~2 km in altitude, sufficient to cover the typical flight profile of slow, low Shahed-136 loitering munitions. Within this zone, the APKWS’s guidance kit offers high accuracy and a strong probability of intercept. However, its maximum kinematic reach (≈5–6 km distance, up to ~4 km height) is largely theoretical against drones – at those extremes, the rocket’s energy is depleted and hit probability drops off steeply. In practical terms, 3–4 km is the “sweet spot” for engaging UAVs with APKWS, ensuring the rocket retains enough speed and guidance control to reliably hit the target. This makes the APKWS a potent yet very localized defense tool, best used to protect point targets or small areas from slow kamikaze drones, filling the gap between short-range guns and larger SAMs with a low-cost, precision interceptor.

If anyone wants to go through all of its findings, you can see the whole chat here:
>https://chatgpt.com/share/68716630-ddd0-8008-baff-9691ebd631a9

>>63969880
>rice farmers
soon to be rice and potato farmers (thanks Putin, sorry to hear about the potato shortage by the way)

>>63969864
>apparently it's the last model
They have at least four models approved for service.
They say that they're not equally effective, some are much better or worse than others.

>>63969871
>Given the low altitudes Shadeds fly at
The goal would be to intercept at 5km altitude, or even higher for when the ruskies adapt to the current meta.

>>63969926
>they forced Ukraine to spend time, money and manpower to develop this counter and Ukraine will need to dedicate production to it for it to remain effective
Almost every part of those was provided by Baltic states, interceptors are being built outside Ukraine as well as inside and their allies are paying for it obviously.
Allies are also funding the ones built inside Ukraine to an extent, as well as it being crowd funded by Ukrainians who want to be able to get a good night's sleep.

>>63969780
>Anduril interceptors
They're the same general idea though probably not an exact clone.
Drone companies aren't defending IP anyway, they're marketing based on combat proofing, service, reputation, reliability, political connections/corruption/loyalty and corporate longevity.
This is common across the world because everyone's basically doing the same thing and governments want results rather than money from this, so there's not much money or point in defending patents or patent trolling and it would make you political enemies if you tried.

>>63969637 (OP)
Based. But they need like thousands of them a day

>>63970063
Today marks the 1234th day of the 3 days special military operation

>>63969871
> Given the low altitudes Shadeds fly at
They no longer do(significant part of them).
Thats the reason for a search for alternative solution - they are so numerous now that they dont need to worry about "big" SAMs at high altitudes(if shot down its not a big deal, and nobody is wasting scarce missiles on them anyway), while that altitude protects them against AAA reasonably well(machine gun fire is literally useless, and heavier autocannons struggle).

Why does stuff like this take 5-10 years from drawing board to deployment in the West but in Ukraine it takes 1-1½ years to come up with a counter and field it? Feels like I'm being ripped off.

>>63970179
The latest sneeds are estimated to cost $80 000 and they launched like 5000 last month. It aint cheap.

>>63973082
Because we're not waging an existential war. Bureaucracy, being a social lifeform, tends to become very relaxed when the very *survival* of the bureaucracy is at stake, just like all other lifeforms. That's what the "total" in total war refers to: everyone and all means are devoted to the fight.

>normal boring western life
>>hi, I'd like to experiment with weapons design, could possibly be dangerous
>14 different government regulatory agencies get involved and you get buried underneath a mountain of paperwork

>F U N wartime life
>>hi, I'd like to experiment with weapons design
>great, here's a hall pass, good luck and now go away we have 50 other people in line

PLAP PLAP PLAP
https://x.com/i/status/1943986892216709238

>>63973082
Bureaucracy and no sens of urgency, shitload of testing, approvals, the holidays of that on key member, the holidays of that other one,and so on, and some more bureaucracy between each of these steps.
But when urgency comes into play, all of that is thrown out of the window, pic very related. From what I read back then, it only took 6 weeks to adapt SCALPShadow to Sukhoi instead of a few years.

>>63973242
Thanks bro

>>63969864
>>63969871
NTA, but the zegroids have been playing with that form factor interceptor drone for at least 8mo now. It’s no groundbreaking or original ukie invention
https://youtu.be/RyPEiVHfwd8

>>63970063
I would unironically fuck a lady-in-red commie Russian.

>>63969637 (OP)
>if this works well, russia will have spent a lot of money for nothing.
Aren't Shaheds just reverse engineered lawnmower engines running off old salvaged Intel nook and Lenovo Thinkcenter motherboards with large internal antennas? That said I dunno how expensive Ukrainian interceptors are either but if the cost to manufacture one is about equal then it will just be a big stalemate.

>>63969864
It's kinda cute, looks like an angry octopus.

>>63972961
Kiev in two weeks. Cope and seethe.

>>63974618
>Aren't Shaheds just reverse engineered lawnmower engines running off old salvaged Intel nook and Lenovo Thinkcenter motherboards with large internal antennas?
No.
Nobody needs to reverse engineer a lawnmower engine, basically any country in the world with a semi-functional government has that much industry.

We mock it as a lawnmower engine but it's an aviation engine which is quite a different beast to any non-aviation engine and is much more expensive as a result.
However, these engines are coming from China and the production lines will be pretty well set up and really humming now since they're producing hundreds/day with no end in sight, that's not a small batch.
It makes them much cheaper than if you sourced them from anywhere else.

The electronics aren't usually salvaged I think, just smuggled. The more advanced electronics are only required on Gerbers who are doing fancy stuff like being an internet-enabled C2 node or something.

>if the cost to manufacture one is about equal then it will just be a big stalemate
It's not.
Shaheds are significantly more expensive than the interceptors fortunately but it doesn't really matter, Ukraine isn't paying for their production...well for some of them but mostly they're being paid for using the "Danish model" where allies pay Ukraine to buy stuff from them or from their own MIC.

>>63973242
Sure is neat seeing auto flak cannons make a big comeback.

>>63972961
>t. kiwi

>>63974618
geran-2 are somewhere around 20k to 30k.
but Ukraine doesn't need to match the same numbers of interceptor drones considering that EW and various guns already take down most of them.

Also russia invested a lot in the production of geran-2, it's not easy to produce 1k drones like this everyday... if 99% of them get shot down, it would have been a massive waste of money.

>>63969871
>Given the low altitudes Shadeds fly at
Some of them are no longer flying at low altitudes, trying to avoid ground mobile fire crews

>>63974735
> geran-2 are somewhere around 20k to 30k.
Engine alone is 12k.

>>63974735
>geran-2 are somewhere around 20k to 30k.
yesterday's price was 40k, so let me guess, tomorrow it will be 10k?

>>63974667
>basically any country in the world with a semi-functional government has that much industry
They are using imported engines though

>>63974735
>geran-2 are somewhere around 20k to 30k.
>geran
Cool it with the propaganda, Ivan. It's called Shahed-136 and it costs way more.

Judging by the Hohol Meat Center getting triple-Geran'd it must not work very well
https://files.catbox.moe/xk64gv.mp4

>>63974926
>Engine alone is 12k.
It's about $80k from the US, it's about $5k from China.
Wages, certification, production overhead and batch size make a huge difference.

With Russia using so many, economies of scale are in full effect in the Chinese factories while in US or Europe, production runs are a few tens of thousands at most.
It doesn't help that all hobbyist use is going to use the Chinese ones too rather than domestic so European and US consumers fuel the Chinese economy of scale and not the domestic ones.

>>63976008
>They are using imported engines though
That's more about economics than capability. Russia could absolutely build it, they can build fighter jet turbines after all, though if they opened a factory Ukies would do their best to blow it up or burn it down.

I think partly it's about putting strategic production out of the reach of strategic bombing, the Nork Geran factories will be another step in this process.
Mostly it's probably just picrel

>>63969864
This looks at least as expensive, if not few times more expensive, as a shahed

>>63977015
>This looks at least as expensive
And you have extensive experience and qualifications to make this judgement?
Or are aesthetics the sole criteria for your judgement about the cost of technology and the influence of international economics?

>>63977027
Multiple electric motors that must be higher performance than that of a normal drone. Extremely granular flight controls to intercept an aerial target. That bulky elongated hull - thats not for explosives, it is to store power, whether in batteries or capacitors, or both. Optics to discern a small moving target against sky at night, so at least night vision, maybe thermals.

vs. a piston engine dornier design from late 60s guided by several consumer gps chips, a fuel bomb warhead, with all the benefits of being produced at scale in hundreds daily

Its a missile. The kind you make when you dont have rocketry expertise, but a missile nontheless

>>63969845
Wow, you sure deboonke that thing nobody said.

What it will do is curbstomp the current narrative of "guise the Russian terror bombing is working holos gonna fold in a week." And we can go back to propping up Ukraine while the Russian economy heads for the abyss.

>>63976991
You can actually buy similar size rc hobby engines from germany for like ~10 000€

>>63977083
>Multiple electric motors that must be higher performance than that of a normal drone.
Retarded from the very first sentence.
They're just electric motors, the kind you can buy from china for $50/pcs, nothing special.

>>63977083
You really, really have no idea what you're talking about.
Your post is maximal Dunning-Kruger, you have no idea at all what you're talking about and are just stringing along words you heard smarter people use.

>>63977228
>You can actually buy similar size rc hobby engines from germany for like ~10 000€
Got an example?

>>63977009
>Russia could absolutely build it, they can build fighter jet turbines after all
That's not how it works

>>63977083
>Multiple electric motors that must be higher performance than that of a normal drone
My brown friend, those "high performance electric motors" cost less than a single scooter-tier internal combustion engine in a Shahed drone

>>63976991
>It's about $80k from the US,
That's the price for an 4S engine, twice the power, rated for manned flight and from a well known company...

>t $5k from China.
You're buying a DLE with 1/3 of the power for that price...

>>63976991
>It's about $80k from the US
my brown friend, a racing V8 engine with titanium parts costs that makes over a 1000 HP (more than a russian tank kek) costs way less in the US

>>63970016
unironically brilliant, But I think they should be on mobile drone zeppelins rather than uncontrolled balloons
That way you can have them reposition without having to land first

>>63973528
V-BAT was selected for prototyping back in 2021 and is a pretty clear origin point for this style of drone in my opinion

>>63977083
electric motors tend to be cheaper than piston engines by default because they have so few moving parts

>>63977083
>Electric engines.
Even high performance ones in this size aren't prohibitively expensive.

>batteries or capacitors
Even a nice Lipo pack of that size is a thousand dollars. A capacitor would be cheaper.

>Optics.
Can be expensive, but how good resolution both in terms temperature and video resolution do you need? Its a 2 meter target with an engine that is 200 odd degrees hotter than the background. Doesn't need to be some 10k thermal camera.

>>63977228
https://3w-modellmotoren.de/produkt/3w-684i-b4-ts/?lang=en

I've been researching low cost UAV power options and this seems surprisingly realistic even though it's just an RC engine.

>>63978569
>>63977240

>>63977083
GPS alone in Shahed costs 20k USD and engine costs another 10k

>>63978518
>it’s much larger than 2 meters

>>63979351
It wasn’t supposed to be a quote

>>63969780
> Was gonna say maybe they've gotten some of those Anduril interceptors
They actually worked so can’t be Anduril

>>63978325
>a single scooter-tier internal combustion engine in a Shahed drone
Although a simple two-stroke engine, it is in fact an aviation engine, it's not scooter-tier.

>>63978329
>That's the price for an 4S engine, twice the power, rated for manned flight and from a well known company...
Sure, the rating and the reputation are a big part of the sticker price. I don't dispute that at all.

>>t $5k from China.
>You're buying a DLE with 1/3 of the power for that price...
You mean an alibaba aviation engine is crap?
Can't argue with that but that's what's used.

>>63978569
>I've been researching low cost UAV power options and this seems surprisingly realistic even though it's just an RC engine.
Thanks, it does look equivalent.
There is a question about volume though that impacts supply rather than cost.

>>63979351
>it’s much larger than 2 meters
I don't know, Ukrainians swing between giants and manlets, that guy might just be smoll.


>>63978518
>Its a 2 meter target with an engine that is 200 odd degrees hotter than the background. Doesn't need to be some 10k thermal camera.
You know what?
We have data on this, see vidrel.
I think it makes your point.

>>63979374
>They actually worked so can’t be Anduril
I've never heard anyone, anywhere, say that Anduril isn't competent. Are you sure you're not just being contrary for the sake of it?
Peter Thiel is a scary man and I wish he was as stupid as Musk but he's not, he's the smart one of the Paypal Mafia.
He's the one pulling Vance's strings btw, he put JD there to take over when Trump is impeached or dies.
Trump's death hands the White House to Anduril's owner which is possibly even worse for USA and the world than Trump being there, it's just worse on a different axis.

>>63970063
You are a fucking moron who needs to divest the entire importance of your life from this slav bumfight.
Go outside, you fucking pathetic loser.

>>63980138
>slav bumfight
Weird description for an expansionist dictatorship trying to take Europe one bite at a time.

>look look we shot down one (1) geran!
k now shoot down the other 999

>>63980735
grani? curious way to spell "Shadman 136", is that a local dialect?

>>63980781
>actual AI object recognition training exposed

>>63980735
>drone doing nothing but flying over Ukrainians and making them urinate in fear
Does that mean it's a terror weapon?
Why not use a weapon for destroying their military and killing their soldiers instead?

>>63980138
Says you

>>63982056
The whole bum-fight meme is just a zigger metoditchka version of "both sides".
You're not supposed to see Ukrainians as Europeans or even people really, you're just supposed to see it as an internal Slav issue that outsiders shouldn't be involved in.

As if there aren't a dozen Slavic countries in the EU anyway.

>>63981975
>what is strategic bombing
it destroys ukraine's military facilities (e.g. factories and recruitment centers) which directly harms the AFU
also
>redditgate

>>63969637 (OP)
>spent a lot of money
which tranny discord is pushing the money angle?
>hurrr if you use $100k missile to shoot down $5k missile headed for a block of flats you're actually losing hurrrrrrrr

>>63982098
>recruitment centers
Kek took them 3 years to come up with this retarded strategy?

>>63982128
>losing money on interception is good thing
You’re literally a tranny

>>63982098
>it destroys ukraine's military facilities
No it doesn't, it apparently just makes Ukrainians afraid. That's clearly depicted in your informational video.

Also, recruitment is digitised and online, the offices are just a place to go to sign a form for boomers who never got with the times.
It's symbolic at best.

Also also
>redditgate
SG1 has been a /k/ staple for a decade, it predates the existence of Reddit by eight years and even 4chan by six.
And your ignorance of these facts marks you as a zigger and a /pol/tard. No native to this board would call SG1 Reddit and only /pol/tards expelled from Reddit even complain about it.
You out yourself with your seethe.

>>63982183
You sound like you care more about money than your people's lives, seems like a zigger mentality.

>>63982183
It's a net benefit if the avoided damage would've been greater you nigger retard. Also it goes beyond a monetary problem because Russia only has a specific amount of missiles they can launch, irrelevant of the cost. If they are intercepted, it nullifies part of their war effort. Finally, both sides are doing interceptions at a loss, it's how it works. And it goes for everything. A bullet, shell or drone are cheaper than troops, yet Russia is still fielding actual boots on the ground. Clearly you're too retarded to grasp war economics.

>>63969864
Estonia did send Ukraine The Frankenburg Mark 1 anti-aircraft missile that they are developing for testing against Shaheds as well. They are trying to keep single missile price close to 2k € so it would be pretty effective against Shaheds.

>>63982258
Forgot picture

>>63969906
Russians already adapted to this and shaheds now cruise for a while in 3km to fly over them. Basically what every cruise missile does pre-impact for this exact reason.

>>63974667
>We mock it as a lawnmower engine but it's an aviation engine which is quite a different beast to any non-aviation engine and is much more expensive as a result.

Its a two stroke engine of the type you find in chainsaws, tuk-tuks or outboard boat motors. These are produced in the millions every year. Americans and euros routinely overpay for their hardware because their system is corrupt and they think the rest of the world pay the same because "we uhhmericans and euros are smart and can't get scammed". Then they get surprised when some piss poor shithole barfs out enormous amounts of muntions in battle because these people could not possible afford so many weapons according to the american mind model of reality. Last case of this happened less than a month ago when Iran bombed Israel with an impossible large amount of long range precision guided muntions.

>>63979960
>Although a simple two-stroke engine, it is in fact an aviation engine, it's not scooter-tier.

Yeah, it only needs to work for 2-3 hours at most, so it can be made to not last, unlike the scooter engine. These Geran drones must be the only product in the world where the price increases due to mass production. A more realistic cost estimate is that they cost about $5K each, max, and probably less.

>>63982258
>Estonia did send Ukraine The Frankenburg Mark 1 anti-aircraft missile

I thought this name was a joke but it is a real thing. https://armyrecognition.com/news/army-news/2025/estonia-to-supply-mark-i-counter-uav-missiles-to-latvia-for-testing-against-drone-swarms

However, its obsolete before it is even fielded because its range is too short.

The Mark I missile, approximately 0.5 meters in length, is optimized for engaging UAVs. Its compact design reduces material costs and enables high-volume production, although it limits the missile's range and payload compared to larger systems such as the FIM-92 Stinger. Analysts estimate the missile’s range at two kilometers, with a maximum altitude of one kilometer and a warhead weighing around 0.5 kilograms.

>>63982206
Your brain cannot grasp economics. Yeah let’s waste all expensive interceptors on drones enemy launch about 500 a day, which is how many MSE-3 LOCKHEED MARTIN makes IN A YEAR
You’re so fucking smart moron, please explain to me what exactly you’re going to use to shoot down cruise missiles and Su-34 after you used all your missiles on shaheds

>>63981975
what they're doing is terror tactics. The weapon is a weapon.
>drone doing nothing but flying over Ukrainians and making them urinate in fear
i didn't see anyone urinating in fear, lmao. On the contrary. The terror tactic works in many ways, you make them sleep less, disturb people's sleep and resting time and make them feel unsafe and uneasy during their everyday life. It just made ukrainians more resolved, the terror tactic backfired. Ofcourse people still get scared when a bliashanka flies overhead, who wouldn't that drone can put a hole in a building and level an apartment floor.

>>63982285
So Russia is like Team Rocket, but instead of pokemon they are constantly trying to steal territory of other countries? Then Ukraine is Pikachu

>>63982224
Now let’s take your theory and extend in on 4 year war. You have finite amount of long range AA missiles, once your run out of them you have nothing to keep enemy fighter-bomber planes from flying close to the front.
Are you going to use all of these missiles on drones you can shoot down with other means?

>>63982285
> fly over them
Didn’t know F-16 couldn’t fly at 3km height

>>63982541
>i didn't see anyone urinating in fear, lmao
That's what the zigger's video claims in >>63980735
I'm not suggesting that this claim reflects reality.

>who wouldn't that drone can put a hole in a building and level an apartment floor.
They most just fuck up a single room of an apartment.

>>63982098
>not only russian but also shittaste

>>63979351
That's a 236 or something like that, they're larger but visually identical if you ignore the access panels

>>63969972
>limited by using the standard Hydra-70 booster
How much more can you get out of a CRV-7?

>>63983338
Just use a Grad.

>>63982352
>Last case of this happened less than a month ago when Iran bombed Israel with an impossible large amount of long range precision guided muntions.
turdie your "heroes" did not even hit anything important unlike 90 mil iran that lost its nook-ook program it had been hyping and beefing up for decades

>>63983316
236 don’t come in black color

>>63983338
Seems like it has more than double the burn time of the Mk 66 rocket motor that Hydra-70s come with. Probably a pretty substantial improvement.
>>63983363
I didn't know Grads were 70mm rockets.

>>63983962
They aren't, but the APKWS probably would work.

>>63983808
>don’t come in black color
I didn't know you can't paint things...
Belarus showed their black matte 236 (too large to be 136). The first versions of the 131 and 136 were black and that's what they used to attack Aramco.

Also picrel. Some of those drones are painted black, others are black from factory (using black pigment in the resign/not adding white pigment)

>>63983981
>APKWS probably would work
APKWS works because you can just screw it right into the existing parts of 70mm rockets because western arms manufacturers understand the benefits of standardization and modularity.

Integrating one into a Grad rocket would require so much effort (and even if you did it, those dinky fins would probably struggle to steer a projectile that's twice the size) you might as well just design a guidance package from the ground up.

>>63984000
There's only one way to know it. Matting seekers to larger boosters have precedents, as long as the control is robust it should be stable, even if it isn't as steerable as the original.

>>63984038
The APKWS package doesn't go on the front of the rocket though. It's in between the booster and the warhead. Your rocket would drop to half it's diameter for the guidance segment then back to the full 122mm. The fins probably wouldn't even extend past the outer diameter of the booster/warhead.

>>63984061
The grad is identical to the 70mm in the sense they make the booster and the multiple options as payload, you don't need to use the original 122 warhead if the intention is to use the booster for extra range. Is that hard to understand?

>>63980138
>BOTH SIDES ARE BAD SO PLEASE STOP BULLYING RUSSIA!
Indiana vatnik, this tactic of yours hasn't worked for years, and just like your attempts at heterosexuality, will never work.
>>63982077
This. It's thoroughly transparent, but the subhuman persistence of vatniks means that they will simply never accept that they aren't fooling anyone.

Rock based air defense working to keep Russian refineries and factories safe