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Kuzya is finally being scrapped.

The Defense Ministry has suspended repairs of the Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier and refuse to restore it, Izvestiya sources said. It is Russia's only aircraft carrier.

"This is a very expensive and ineffective naval weapon. The future lies with carriers of robotic systems and unmanned aviation," said Admiral Sergei Avakyants, former commander of the Pacific Fleet.

Ilya Kramnik of the Center for Strategic Planning Studies of IMEMO RAS is sure that another ship should be built, for example - “a promising deck fighter”.

“Admiral Kuznetsov” - Russia's only aircraft carrier - was launched in 1985 and has been undergoing modernization since 2017. Russia's largest floating dock sank during repairs, and a fire broke out on the aircraft carrier

https://www.dw.com/ru/edinstvennyj-avianosec-rossii-mogut-spisat-so-sluzby/a-73238413

Russia joins regional powers without sea access.

I made a post about putting that thing out of its misery like a week ago, I guess the russian MOD took my advice kek

>>63970156 (OP)
If she were a woman, she'd be the wheelchair-bound one who laments her long history of falls, accidents, etc, and cries/drinks. ...and yet, I still have kind of a soft spot for her.

AAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>The future lies with carriers of robotic systems and unmanned aviation," said Admiral Sergei
W-we didnt n-need it anyway.

>>63970156 (OP)
nooooo
i want it to remain a drain on russia's budget.
i guess the anomaly inside has grown too powerful and they've decided a permanent solution to the mutants is needed.

>>63970156 (OP)
no no no no NO NO NO!!
it must be maintained! it must be fed!! That Which Lies Within must not get out!!

>>63970156 (OP)
Anyone who had a clue knew this was going to happen. Standard zigger operating procedure is to deny that anything is wrong and its all proceeding as planned right up until the moment they say "shits fucked".

>>63970156 (OP)
>"This is a very expensive and ineffective naval weapon. The future lies with carriers of robotic systems and unmanned aviation,"
>w-we totally decomissioned it because it doesn't have drones tho
>not because we're retards who stole a carrier without the supporting infrastructure and ran it into the ground with repeated grift and incompetence
russians are pathetic even when they're admitting they fucked up.

Carriers are obsolete overpriced tranny kike NAFO garbage, its role can be fufilled by cheap drones and hypersonic missiles.

>>63970156 (OP)
>they finally ran out of navyniks to sacrifice to appease the daemon growing in the heart of its engine
>it began leak outside of its containment
>panic scrap
Man I hope they make it in time but also suffer lots of casualties in the process.

>>63970156 (OP)
Is this how badly Russia is doing economically, that they finally have to admit they can't keep their decripit example of a aircraft carrier 'afloat'

>>63970180
>Standard zigger operating procedure is to deny that anything is wrong and its all proceeding as planned right up until the moment they say "shits fucked".
>they say "shits fucked"
You mean until they say "we planned to get rid of it all along this leapfrogs us ahead of nafo pigs who are too afraid to get rid of their obsolete stuff unlike bold ruska bear always marching forward didn't need it anyway dindu nuffin stop lying that never happened "?

>>63970180
this carrier's story is the exactly what the story of russia will be (for the umpteenth time)
>everything is fine
>hey that's quite a lot of rust there
>is fine
>we have to keep the generators running because we don't have the on-land support equipment
>is fine
>a lot of the components are way over their operating life!
>is fine
>it keeps getting stuck at sea without power and needs a dedicated tug
>is fine
>THE DRY DOCK NEEDED TO REFIT IT SUNK
>is fine
>IT'S ON FIRE!
>is fine
>IT'S ON FIRE AGAIN!
>is fine
>WE STILL DON'T HAVE A DRY DOCK FOR IT!
>is fine
>it's been years and years, and it's still not operational again
>is fine

>o-okay actually is not fine, is actually very not fine, and whoever fault it is, is not me

when russia collapses this is how it's denizens will treat it.

>>63970195
>Is this how badly Russia is doing economically, that they finally have to admit they can't keep their decripit example of a aircraft carrier 'afloat'
Unironically yes:
>WSJ: The Warning Signs for Russia’s Economy Are Flashing Red
>https://archive.md/ipvt2
tl;dr: massive sanctions and working men deaths and losing biggest markets and having the bugs and poos take full advantage of your isolation isn't good for the economy, actually. They were able to prop up the numbers for a good few years with warspending but you can't juice without the fundamentals forever.

>>63970156 (OP)
So what's going to happen to these beauties? Sent to die in Ukraine or sold to the Chinks/Jeets?

>>63970211
>and working men deaths
One million of indiands are on their way though.

>>63970206
someone needs to draw this as an R63 version with genderbent yeltsin staring with mindbroken, aroused torogao stare at a box of poptarts.

because he really did get mindbroken like an anime girl in this image

>>63970206
>ice cream section just for the lulz
>children's bike for added insult to injury
journalists back then really knew what a picture is worth a thousand words means.

>>63970214
i'll take care of them and feed them.

>>63970214
They don't want you to know this, but the Sukhois on Russian airbases are free. You can just fly them home. I have 37 of them in my backyard.

>>63970206
It's a shame there won't be a legendary moment like this for the current russian regime.

>>63970214
On drone duty

>>63970156 (OP)
Doesn't matter. Even if it rusts down to a single nut and bolt, ziggers will still ramble on how they have a carrier and are a superpower yada yada yada

>>63970206
>coupons? ah, ze ration coupons, da?
>nyet, comrade Minister - discount coupons
>dis... count...?!?!

>>63970180
>>63970201
>>63970211

this makes it's recent appearance in that new mission impossible movie where it's treated as a threat even fucking funnier (still a good movie though)

>>63970238
I'm sure someone will get a good photo of Monke, or his replacement, looking suitably haggard and defeated at the end of hostilities

>>63970156 (OP)
What about the demons that are locked inside? Will they be released?

>>63970156 (OP)
I remember some of armatard's earliest spam being this diagram showing how the nimitz only had a couple of CIWS and SAMs while the kuznetsov was bristling with them and then sticking his fingers in his ears when anons tried to explain the concept of a CVBG

>>63970238
close enuf

>>63970156 (OP)
They finally had the brains or guts to say “holy shit this clapped out fuck boat is nothing but a shitty prestige piece”, eh? Finally realized it’s a huge waste of money and they don’t fucking need carriers, but need to focus on a strict defence, modernization and internal resource development strategy instead of being schizo niggers on the world stage, eh?

Ahhhh, who am I kidding? They won’t smarten up. The only thing that matters to Moscow is Moscow and maintaining old delusions of grandeur.

>>63970156 (OP)
Actually a sound and reasonable decision, only a couple of decades too late.

>>63970173
He’s not WRONG, arguably. They’re just too poor and backwater to make that happen.

>>63970156 (OP)
even the dry dock looks fucking shitty and decrepit.
it's literally a hole in the ground, how do you fuck that up?

>>63970277
what happened to this clown btw?

>>63970170
She's got a soft, warm spot for you ;)
Mind the smell . . . and the secretions

>>63970277
man looks like he's about to prepare that dog for dinner.

>>63970303
Megayachts don't buy themselves.

>>63970206
lol ^^

>>63970156 (OP)
>>"This is a very expensive and ineffective naval weapon. The future lies with carriers of robotic systems and unmanned aviation," said Admiral Sergei Avakyants, former commander of the Pacific Fleet.
Thirdie cope in full swing.

>>63970304
He was sent to gulag for criticizing the czar.

>>63970303
I understand the reason why they are built like this, but large ships having an entirely flat keel will always surprise me.

It just looks unnatural and unshiplike to me. Ships should have a pointed keel, dammit.

>>63970156 (OP)
So are they're gonna tow this shitheap somewhere for scrapping and have a mishap along the way where it ends up sinking or ending up beached?

>>63970171
No, that comes when Chinese buy it for scrap value and restore it full working order within one summer.

>>63970156 (OP)
>"This is a very expensive and ineffective naval weapon. The future lies with carriers of robotic systems and unmanned aviation,"

>>63970170
>Merely wheelchair bound
Anon I think we need to introduce you to the ryona genre. K-chan's approaching nugget territory at any rate given her unfortunate accidents like the crane falling or catching fire.

The have reached fucked up levels of financial issues if they're doing this decision, considering how important that shitbox is for their face saving super power larp.

>>63970374
The bugs are long, LONG past giving a shit about mediocre soviet rustbuckets. They've already squeezed everything of any value in terms of tech out of Russia and surpassed it.

the age of aircraft carriers is over... the age of slightly different aircraft carriers has begun...

>>63970156 (OP)
"Sell" it to the Norks.

>>63970180
Nah, they literally built a new dry dock for this shitbox and wanted to do a full refurbishment. But it seems that 2022 invasion literally burned all the money.

>>63970156 (OP)
>The future lies with carriers of robotic systems and unmanned aviation," said Admiral Sergei Avakyants

My machine translation plugin chose a slightly more interesting term for UAVs

>>63970407
Although I'd argue Kuznetsov would be the perfect carrier to launch unliving aviation from

>>63970395
I guess you're right. Would still be funny though. Maybe they'd use it as target practice or as base for one of those US carrier mock-ups in desert.

>>63970407
>unliving aviation
>it's for unaliving people

>>63970407
The decision has been made and work is being conducted on the project of unaliving the aerospace forces. Soon, the world will be made aware of the capabilities and all will be known.

>The future lies with carriers of robotic systems and unmanned aviation
Russia has set its near future goal, to become Iran with snow.

>>63970156 (OP)
>loses the only aircraft carrier to Ukraine
grim

>>63970390
quadruple amputation is one of my fetishes so i would pay for that.

>>63970374
They have better carriers though. K-chan is so decrepit that it's flat out cheaper to buy it for the low level value scrap metal it has on board

>>63970442
>Suffering Ship Girl Kuznetsov-chan

>>63970329
German?

>>63970464
i'd prefer it if it was a story about an old scrapper buying mangled, amputee'd nugget kutz and not having the heart to scrap her, instead spoiling her and taking care of her until she falls in love with him and starts nudging at him to help her with her "urges" while she stares at him blushing and backed up.

>>63970214
I don't care, I just want a few enterprising spooks to steal whats left of the Su-47 specifically so it can sit in a US air museum.

>>63970476
>Shoigu kicks down door
>Kutz is officially decomissioned
>Taken from scrapper and handed to oligarch scrapper friend
>She's in a blender afterwards
>Putin going awwwright in background with the baby from those two

>>63970303
well at least it can't sink like the previous one did. I'm seriously disappointed that this comedy of errors is reaching it's only possible ending

>>63970177
>when the Gellar Field goes down in the Warp

>>63970238
an effort was made

>>63970156 (OP)
Do you think those millions of Indians that are coming to Russia are just there to carry the whole thing back to India?

>>63970177
>thread theme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGqE0CLz_LM

>>63970156 (OP)
money is running out so they have start killing of the grifts. that's why transport minister had to go and they took over a gold mining company after declaring an owner a traitor. how long can they last though.

>>63970629
>how long can they last though.
Until strikes/protests start popping up. Until life gets materially untenable they'll just keep pretending everything is okay.

What kind of horrors are they going to uncover when they dismantle that thing?

>>63970177
papa nurgle will be most displeased at this development

>>63970629
Yet another Gazprom official was arrested just few hours ago.

>>63970645
I have no idea how Russian pricing works, why does it have two prices, one with credit and it's higher?

What is so hard about maintaining a carrier? Can't be more difficult than a cruise ship

>>63970156 (OP)
To quote Ludovic Kennedy on the Tirpitz, "she lived an invalid's life and died a cripple's death"

>Kuznetsov scrapped

Believe it or not, that's a loss for Ukraine. The more money Russia was pouring into this doomed project the better for Ukraine. This is probably why Ukraine never bothered targeting it since taking it out would have been more beneficial for Russia.

>>63970390
>Missing both arms and legs (Unusable as a carrier)
>Can only afford one prosthetic leg (Budget cuts)
>No teeth (lost missiles in past)
>Wheelchair is collapsed (Dry dock sank)
>The worst stomach issues (Cannot run boilers)
>Burn victim (Fires)

>>63970780
Eh, sorta but not really? Basically yeah, sure, money spent on that was not spent on something useful. But at the same time it came out of the "luxury propaganda budget" as much as anything, it's not like given unlimited resources Russia would somehow have been more effective without it because they'd have spent that same luxury budget on some other corrupt retarded chest thumping thing instead. Instead it's a sign that their resources have no shrunk so much that they can no longer afford even big chest thumping propaganda pieces they've previously made a big deal about and are now forced against their will to start cutting further. That delays cutting into the Ukraine attack budget a little longer, but it's still I think a good, heartening sign for Ukraine in the war of attrition.

>>63970569
such a chump

>vatnigs only aircraft going in the bin
/chug/ status?

>>63970780
There was likely nothing going into it at all for years, they're just admitting it now

>>63970702
>one with credit and it's higher
yeah, that's how credit works.

>>63970173
> W-we didnt n-need it anyway.
Here, have an exquisite one(combined with "lies! its not true!") - fresh from dvach.

>>63970674
sealed cat, sealed dog, sealed mummy, sealed baby, sealed mobik, the works

>>63970333
Is it cope to say that the Kuznetsov is expensive and ineffective? That's what everyone outside of Russia has been saying for over a decade.

>>63970911
Last time I checked, credit cards were 19% not 738%.

>>63970702
Because google translate wildly fucked up layout of a price tag.

>>63970702
11.99*12=143.88

>>63970939
>>63970945
Alright, I thought their inflation got so bad they adjusted the future price in consequence.

>>63970898
Prepare for disappointment if you're expecting anything but instant adoption of the new line OP listed:
>THIS IS GENIUS MOVE PREPARING FOR NEW HYPERSONIC DRONE FUTURE AIRCRAFT CARRIERS SO PRIMITIVE XAXAXA

>>63970540
NTR is gay and for fags

>>63970440
tbf, for once the cope of
>t-the ukrainians didn't do it, we're just so incompetent we lost it on our own!!
would be factually correct.

>>63971019
Why is the grandpa smiling near the end, such a grim tale?

>Aircraft carrier
Useless without navalized stealth
Useless with no maintenance
Useless without pidorsailors
Useless if a tiny drone is enough to sink it
The final form of competency crisis.

>>63971066
Grandpa was about to have zero lada :(
Soon he will have two lada :)

>>63971015
>gay and for fags
Sounds awfully gulaghomo enough for comrade Ivan.

Please sweet Sung in Heaven let them give it to the Norks so they can be humiliated when the Norks somehow get it working.

>>63970156 (OP)
Carriers 1 (+1)

>>63971066
Because he doesn't know that his son's inevitable droning will be labeled a suicide meaning that the government won't have to pay.

>>63970344
That may have saved his life as purges escalate. Being convicted of something takes one out of the picture.

>>63971074
Grandpa did not grow old by taking risks.

so you're telling me
technically
iran has a carrier
and russia doesn't!?

>>63971573
Two actually.

>>63970931
The cope lies in claiming everyone else's carriers are ineffective too.

>>63970163
Based trend setter.

>>63970629
>how long can they last though.
I doubt 50 billion will last very long even if they solely dedicate that just for the war. If anything it only bought them a few months at best until Moscow has to strip yet another high value company of all that its worth just to have to repeat the same process again and again

unironically, it's a waste of money and resources for them and is far less effective than several simple frigates or attack subs.

carriers are useful if you try to play world imperial police and need to project air power against foes who are technologically inferior.

Said it before and I'll say it again, the only military value that Russia would have ever gotten out of the Kuznetsov would be scuttling it in the mouth of an enemy harbor to block it off.

>>63971019
Much better with sound
>https://files.catbox.moe/kckau9.mp4

>>63971971
>several simple frigates or attack subs.
They can't even afford those any more

>>63972011
they have several modern frigates and attack subs

6 modern frigates (with another 4 being built)
6 yasen boats (3 more currently being built)
3 lada boats (2 being currently built)

which isn't too bad considering. their older submarine fleet is actually still good (far better than china's).

>>63970170
No, she’d be the conjoined twins that the Soviets abducted, experimented on (read as: tortured) then crammed into an asylum to make diapers.

>>63970303
Because the real dock where she was built is still in Ukraine.

>>63972043

a bigger issue is their sea access in an actual war.

>Black Sea is blocked by the Bosphorus and contested by Ukraine.
>The Baltic is now entirely NATO except for St Petersburg and Kalingrad.
>the Northern fleet is blocked by ice half the time

Maybe Russia should focus on the sea of Japan. They might need it if China ever gets feisty

>>63972563
> Maybe Russia should focus on the sea of Japan
“Do you see submarines?”

Wait. Does the Russian navy have a Kamchatka anymore?

>>63970214
they can't even pawn them off to the Chinese, their knock off flankers are already better than sukhoi's new built

>>63970177
CASE: INFRARED
SITUATION: REGENCY TAVERN JAUNDICED

ALL OPERAGOERS ARE TO RETURN TO THEIR SEATS IMMEDIATELY
OUTSIDE REFRESHMENTS ARE ALLOWED
ESCHATON ALEPH RIPTIDE

>>63972563
>Russia should focus on the Sea of Japan
That's exactly what the Japanese torpedo boats in the Baltics what them to do

>>63970156 (OP)
It's going to take all of the Russian Orthodoxy to put it to rest

>>63970737
The difference is that Tirpitz was actually feared by the allied convoys, this thing was just ridiculed.

>>63972563
the black sea is a terrible place, really.

they have pretty good access to the east and west through the north.

>>63971956
The war apparently costs $ 1 billion per day for Russia, so yeah...

But this is the classical "scrambling and increasing panic" phase when the gig's going up. Look forward to whatever the country-wide equivalent of "corporate is asking people to volunteer salary cuts and bring their own toilet paper" act of desperation is.

Collapse is always glacial and barely happening. Until it suddenly isn't.

>>63970416
>that bottom right pic
how the fuck do you maintain that

>>63972894
sacrifice

>>63970780
Not really.
Yes, they will no longer pour money into Kuz to pretend it'll be fine.
But no, none of that money saved will go to fighting Ukies. It will be, as usual, siphoned to Oligarcs and corrupt bureaucracy. Someone will take that money, and it won't be used on Ukraine.

Such is life in russia.

>>63970390
haven't seen this shit in 15 years if it's been a day

>>63972871
Exactly this.
Russia will appear strong, until it suddenly isn't.
They will appear able to continue fighting this war, until they suddenly aren't.

That slow creep of "we have to reduce military spending during wartime" and "We need to cut down on social welfare programs" and "you will have to make do with diminished stuff available in stores" and "We now make cars that are inferior to those made in the 1990's, but WE STILL ARE MAKING THEM!"

...until it suddenly doesn't work anymore.
Their infrastructure has been slowly crumbling since the Ukrainian war begun, their railway system (the thing keeping everything moving) uses European made rail cars to which there have not been new spare parts available since the war started is slowly running out of things like ball bearings and they have had to use inferior ones from China and such. Their agricultural production has taken a significant dip as war takes priority in things like fuel consumption (less fuel for tractors) spare parts (those tractors that break down are harder to fix) and sheer man-power to work the fields (mobiks are needed more than farmers).
No, they aren't starving, but their agricultural production has dropped every year since the war started.

Hell, even their VODKA PRODUCTION has dropped 10% just this year (although vodka consumption has increased 10%). Most likely due to foreign nations no longer buying their stuff.

Yes, they have stuff in their stores, but nobody has money to buy anything. It will be a return to the bad old days when everyone has their own garden and a chicken coop because you just can't trust that you might get some stuff from the market anymore.

It's a slow grind that will get worse little by little.
Until it suddenly doesn't work anymore. Those who saw the collapse of Soviet Union might remember how invincible it all seemed, until ...it all came down.

>>63970187
>projecting power thousands of kilometers away with a cheap drone
yeah that will work out just fine

>>63970156 (OP)
Does this mean that russia will finally drop off from the third spot on globalfirepower?

>>63970156 (OP)
It's finally over.

Don't cry because it's over smile because it happened.

>>63970374
The Chinese already have one and have since moved on to a more modern design
They are still keeping the 001 in a combat role apparently, so we may yet see what kuzzys design is actually capable of regardless

>>63970156 (OP)
>This is a very expensive and ineffective naval weapon
Read "we didn't need it anyway"

Did they even use it for anytjing out side kf money sinking?

>>63970629
To use a medical metaphor, the Russian state has burned through its fat reserves and is now burning muscle for energy
Its not over yet, but we're entering the end game now

>>63970214
Loaded with a specific amount of fuel and as many bombs as possible, takeoff, pilot aims towards Ukraine and ejects.

>>63970156 (OP)
Real shame, it was a decent money pit

>>63973009
>plane crashes into belgorod
as is tradition, by now

>>63970156 (OP)
>The future lies with carriers of robotic systems and unmanned aviation,
What an absolute retard.

>>63970156 (OP)
>The future lies with carriers of robotic systems and unmanned aviation
Maybe.
So, will Russia start building a seaborne drone carrier to compensate for the loss of it's only aircraft carrier?

>>63972992
i feel stranded pirate ship and the captain chooses which crew mate to eat next sounds nicer.

>>63970205
"And then it got worse."

>>63970256
he already looks quite haggard

>>63970156 (OP)
Should have been sent to China for repairs instead.

>>63970156 (OP)
The PLAN is now the only true successor of the Soviet Navy

>>63973228
>>63973234
I'm surprised more shipgirl stuff hasn't been done with Kuznetsov and Liaoning.
>The elder sister, once the pride of a superpower, now a battered, bruised, chainsmoking alcoholic
>The younger sister, abandoned for years, only to get adopted and against all odds grow up into a well-dressed, respectable woman

>>63970629
>money is running out so they have start killing of the grifts
this
most of the projects that were basically grifts are getting the axe now, be it the Kuznetzov, Armata or civilian projects like the Baikal plane, a replacement for the venerable An2

>they took over a gold mining company after declaring an owner a traitor
the scores of taken over companies (seriously there's like 300 of them by now) are more connected to the grifts than one might think.
Since putins oligarch friends cannot make money on the aforementioned grifts now, he keeps them happy / loyal by giving them the companies stolen from anyone he deems untrustworthy (or just easy to steal from like workers unions kek)

>>63970173
>W-we didnt n-need it anyway.
he literally said that in the non-shortened post. I read that on twz or somewhere.

>>63970156 (OP)
It would probably be hilarious if the Kuz still somehow manages to survive its scrapping date due to Snowgeria's corruption once again kicking in and the scrappers weren't doing shit till Russia collapses again.

>>63973234
Don't insult the PLAN like that, they're trying their best

>>63973871
Both (their predecessors) got their shit pushed in by the IJN.

>>63973427
>オートローダー
The correct military jargon is 自動装填装置

>>63972871
>Collapse is always glacial and barely happening. Until it suddenly isn't.
>>63972923
>Until it suddenly doesn't work anymore. Those who saw the collapse of Soviet Union might remember how invincible it all seemed, until ...it all came down.
The soviet union parallels are pretty much on point because if it happens, it won't be a run of the mill state default but a full on collapse due to putin forcing a lot of the financial burden on banks and prices on electricity, gas etc being kept artificially low by the state

>>63972563
People keep saying the North is less of a problem these days thanks to climate change, formerly known as global warming.

>>63972923
>Those who saw the collapse of Soviet Union might remember how invincible it all seemed, until ...it all came down.
Many thought it inevitable, saw it coming, but still didn't want to believe it.
Strong parallels to current situation.

>>63973933
To quote the old joke about going bankrupt: at first slowly, and then all at once.

>built by Ukraine
>zegros cant even maintain it
Really makes you ponder.

>>63970214
They're practically worthless anyway, literal 1980's avionics and no FOX-3 compatibility. It's basically the same as the first production model Su-27s. It's arguably the worst Carrier-based aircraft in active service, maybe only beating out the AV-8B+ due to its kinematic performance and the APG-65 being no spring chicken as well. Even then, the AV-8B+ has AMRAAM.
Pic related is an Su-33 cockpit in Syria.

>>63974074
also
>Built by Belgium
Typical rushit/stalin industrailization.
Mongoloids love to spam such pictures, meanwhile everything built in the russia was built by wect, including cities.

>>63974089
nice little drawing you have there, it would be a shame if someone would take a look at the facts

>>63970156 (OP)
Fuck they read all the /k/ threads about it being a drain on their resources and was doing a grand job of it. Kinda sad to see it go, desu. It was a great laughing stock and all the lore surrounding it was just grade A SOVL.

>>63973933
there's a ridiculous amount of parallels to draw between russia's situation now and their situation before the fall of the USSR
>extremely dependent on energy exports
>crop yields lower every single year
>disastrous war
>more than a 5th of total gdp is just military spending (russia is already far beyond this if you include all the stealth money going towards gdp outside the military budget.)
now, this doesn't garuantee that russia will fall apart in the same way, in some ways the russian economy, corrupt as dysfunctional as it is, is far less rigid and more flexible than the USSR's, so there's always the chance they'll just bend rather than break.
still, that is a LOT of red flags, putin recently being forced to reduce spending is another major one, since they wouldn't do that unless they had absolutely no other choice.

>>63974110
read his post, faggot.

>>63974110
NTA but
>"facts"
>on economic data
>from Stalinist USSR
Literally the time in history they are most likely to be obscenely embellished.

>muh GDP per capita
>while millions died from starvation
>despite "record harvests" comrade!
yeah

I thought the Russian economy was immune to sanctions? Did ziggers lie?

>>63974129
>>63974135
You niggers, did you even look at my post.
It has data for Latvia, Estonia, Finland, Austria and etc. Two of those got occupied by soviet ziggers after the given dates in the picture.
After this "plentiful soviet liberation", these two mentioned states are now far worse than Finland or Austria by any metric.
So your little drawing of soviets liberating people from freedom doesnt mean shit, you zigger faggots

>>63974146
READ, HIS POST, YOU FUCKING TROGLODYTE, HE AGREES WITH YOU.
it's the fucking baka pit for you, dumbass.

>>63970569
I still can’t believe he didn’t realize what that was supposed to be.

>>63974146
You're being retarded, read the words he typed don't just look at the image

>>63972923
Big difference is that vatnik union had a weak tzar that was not willing to put the total censorship, concentration camps and mass kilings into overdrive. To "save" the empire of course

Monke is a lot of things but definitely willing to go full Stalin. even if it's just him fulfilling his lifelong dream of being equated to him

With stalinist tyranny kim jong fats dynasty was able to secure power through the 90s famine that saw parents eating their own children

>>63970173
>mfw this could be the timeline where Russia buys drone carriers from Iran
>mfw the drones will be bought from Iran as well

>>63974135
I don't even see USSR in the list.

>>63970303
I mean they did get the hole mostly right, they are just shit at maintaining anything.
The fucking earthworks are what actually gets me though. Is the drydock still under construction? The fuck is going on there?

>>63970214
>Chinks

Why though, the J-15T is ages ahead in terms of technology. I don't think the Su-33 even has AESA or the capability of shooting BVR missiles.

>>63974146
Anon I know you can read despite how fucking retarded you are otherwise. Just try to comprehend what he meant by his words next to that picture, you fucking retard.

>>63974293
It's literally a hole in the dirt. Those are pilings on sides that are hammered straight into the ground to hold the soil together as you dig out the dirt. Like they hammered those in and dug into the ground like an open pit mine or a construction yard.

Chance of it being given to Best Korea?

>>63970156 (OP)
Did they banish the demon(s) or did it(they) escape containment?

>>63974344
Norks are smart enough to know that Kuz is nothing but a money sink. If I had to guess monke already tried to trade it for weapons with them, scrapping is a last resort when they didn't fall for it.

>>63974351
Logically they would completely gut it and rebuild it from the hull up like they did with the scrapped Krivaks.

>>63970156 (OP)
>"This is a very expensive and ineffective naval weapon. The future lies with carriers of robotic systems and unmanned aviation," said Admiral Sergei Avakyants, former commander of the Pacific Fleet.


no way this was being said by an actual russian

(if by any chance this is true then fuck me they finally realised that they need to be ahead of the game for once?)

>>63974355
The hull is probably a toss job at this stage too, a fucking crane punched a hole in the deck and it's been on fire multiple times, plus all the fucking rust on it.

>>63974359
Anon, the difference between what russians *say* and what russians actually *do* is like night and day.

It's basically them finally giving up on that old rustbucket and going "w-we didn't want it anyway!", as they always do. Stop thinking of it as a western culture and more like the "face-saving deceitful asian" culture that it truly is.

Thailand has more carriers than Russia. Ladyboy Central has a more functional navy.

They are also talking about retiring the Kirov class battlecruiser Pyotr velikiy.
That'll take Russia down to 1 battlecruiser, 2 cruisers, 10 destroyers, 12 Frigates and fuck ton of Subs and Corvettes

>>63970464
>Starts off at Soviet naval academy
>Soviet union falls as she graduates
>Is left at her home in Ukraine
>Gets kidnapped by captain with Russia sympathies
>30 years of ryona shit later
>Mind broken, quadruple amputee Kuz-chan gets the scrap order

>>63974367
That's load-bearing rust.

>>63974385
Wait 9 destroyers one of them is in the reserves. also 52 Subs,

>>63974347
Remember the stash for "that day" in Shadow of Chernobyl? Let's just say "that day" might be soon, and you might want to be prepared.

>>63972923
The biggest indicator is housing development. An important bit here is that it has a specific lag, since those commieblocks aren't built as fast the murrican wooden framed homes.
So... the market was growing like crazy for about two decades and then, to save it from collapse during covid, the regime allocated subsidized financing for preferential mortgages, which turbocharged the market. That had to be slashed once the war didn't play out in 3 days, however then also soldier salaries and death compensations started pouring in, so the market was crazy.
But in 2026 the industry expects zero or close to zero new housing to reach the market. Definitely zero in 2027.
Zero new commieblocks. That wasn't really a thing during the 90s.
Because not only the actual civilian economy is going down the tubes (no matter how they try to mask it), but also the central bank financing rate is too big for any normal borrowing (taking a mortgage with 30% rate per year... good luck with that). And they do those rates because hidden inflation is fucking up everything.
Some products become 50% more expensive in a single year, like what the actual fuck.

>>63970173
too bad they don't have those things either

>>63970156 (OP)
Half her crew is probably dead or crippled by now anyway.

>>63974338
haha
all the land around that dry dock is gonna sink hard.

>>63974359
anyone who's been listening to how russians talk for a bit knows that his statement is total cope.
it is literally just
>how do i soften the blow to the russian people that we ran our only (stolen) carrier into the ground and wasted money on it for years, and the only reason it was "commissioned" was to make russia and russians feel more like a superpower

>oh, i know, i'll pretend it's a moneysink because it's simply outdated, and promise that we will TOTALLY build a new carrier without the ability to do so
>oh, and i'll throw in the drone word, because that'll make retards nod in agreement.

>>63974386
>gets saved by handsome rogue (you)
is taken care of and has happily ever after nugget sex with the self insert (you)

>>63974385
Despite being soviet-rus shit I love the kirovs, hope someone manages to buy them off

>>63970156 (OP)
>>63970303
kekw

>"Comrade Captain! The American CVBG, previously mauled by our Tu-22Ms, is within range of our AsHMs. The deck is cleared of our aircraft and we're ready to fire! Now, come witness the Motherland's moment of glor-"
>(Alarm goes off)
>Kuz-chan opens her functioning eye to see she's laying in the broken bed that's been her home for years, now without a blanket, and the nurse has yet to come in to IV the painkillers for the morning (the nurse will never appear again)

>"I'm sitting on a powder-keg, mister. Just over that horizon is Russia's only aircraft carrier, the Admiral Kuznetsov. I am one wrong move away from the first shootout between two flat-tops since World War II. One flinch from touching off World War III. And you're asking me to fly you directly into the eye of the storm."

still enjoyed the movie though

>>63970554
Filename

>>63970569
They're such a fucking cargo cult. I bet you anything you like there was some dick in the Kremlin going
>When America showed Soviet leader supermarket it caused USSR to collapse
>Ha! I know! We will show idiot journalist larper carefully curated supermarket and that will bring down america! I am very clever!
and then he probably posted something about mutts on 4chan.

Why scrap? Just sink it, let it die quick. Kuzya had enough already.

>>63974728
Is this Loss?

>>63974083
Who knew DCS was this close to real life..

At this point, it'd be more plausible for Russia to become a client state of the Chinks and buy their gear.

>>63974576
you dont get it at all

russian generals admitals whatever they are famously hard as concrete on whatever they believed works since the era of alexander the great..
not even young ones go outside of the norm

the fact this dude actually says this it should tell you A LOT

>>63970187
Guys I sincerely don't know if this is bait or copium.

>>63974557
That's a rather optimistic of you anon

>>63974764
Comrade minister's step-cousin owns a scrapyard, please understand.

>>63974850
Sorry dude, but he is giving THE most safe statement possible that completely sidesteps why the kuz is such an embarrassment and offers a fake solution in building a new carrier that will NEVER happen.
He’s playing it perfectly by the book here.

>Admiral Kuznetsov removed from the balance sheet
This pleases the witch.

>>63975280
>witch
Hostage is a better description

>>63974359
>they need to be ahead of the game for once?
Anon, they can't even afford to pave 95% of Russia's roads. What makes you think they'll do the heavy lifting of starting up a drone carrier program?

>>63975284
I do feel bad for her as well, but I'm using "witch" as a compliment.

>>63975280
Her second in command btw.
Not really related, just been searching where to post this.

>>63975348
While technically correct, I don't thing any crisis in human history is comparable to the shitshow that is the grim darkness of the far future. Maybe the time of Noah.

>>63975348
>Russian bankers are just buying plastic men from GW
So that's where all the money is going

>>63976047
Still won't be enough to get a full army.

>>63974262
Well, they almost managed to buy Mistral from France in 2014, it was only cancelled in the final stage, because of them being ziggers.

>>63975348
What an odd thing to say…

>>63970156 (OP)
>The future lies with carriers of robotic systems and unmanned aviation,"

This is the cope of every third world shithole like Russia.
Jets will forever be better than drones when it comes to an actual professional and competently handled offensive.
Drones are good for the defence, thats for sure.

>>63976693
If he's red some of the books then he's basing his words on the tithing system from all the millions of worlds that the imperium holds. Since Russia has no way of extorting more money out of its neighbors I suppose he's worried about what's to come, or word to that effect.

>>63976740
Pfffft

>>63970569
>Hey, guys - the sell the bread in the supermarkets! Russia is a prosperous country!
that whole video was funny af

>>63975348
maybe so, but russia does not have the size, mass, and industrial weight and momentum as well as the population size of the empire of man.

any country that's regularly having it's economy compared to the empire of man's is probably fucked.

>>63975348
this can't possibly be real

>>63970367
Drifts off course and rams a kirov.

>>63974385
>>63974399
They added a bunch of subs recently too! That new Moskva-class sub is really impressive on paper, shame about the radar issues.

>>63975280
Elvira: Mistress of the Ruble

>>63976740
kek

>>63970214
They're going to be planted into the ground, get nourished by the finest cubes and be grown into new Kuznetsovs.

The set of pictures in this thread makes me think it is entirely populated by John from state Oklahoma.

>>63970444
>Chinks crack open one of the sealed bulkheads
>Accidently set off a bunch of nukes that were just rusting away in there
>Yulin just disappears and the surrounding blowout turns every civilian in a 50-mile radius into a Snork
>They get added to the list of national delicacies

>>63972938
Russia being taken over by Indonesia is such a clown world thing to happen, so I expect this change to happen in a fortnight.

>>63970156 (OP)
russia lost it's only aircraft carrier to a country without a nawy

>>63975348
You know things have gotten bad when you have to publicly say "Things are shit, but they are not as shit as a fictional universe designed from the ground up to be as shit as possible, so everything is A-OK".

>you're a neet in Russia
>summer job pops up
>dismantling of an aircraft carrier
Would you take it?

>>63977119
I Was A Russian Otaku That Took A Summer Job Cleansing A Demon Ship And Accidently Became The Chief Of The Wall Men sounds like a solid number 12th best Light Novel for this year.

>>63977119
>end up in Ukraine meat wave

>>63970629
>money is running out so they have start killing of the grifts
So you're saying there's a chance they'll fight corruption and become a fiscally responsible country?

>>63977557
They'll need a Stalin style purge for that to happen.

>>63977629
The corrupt are the best at surviving that kind of purge, that's why Russians are the way they are.

>>63977629
Stalin purges used to eliminate the few remaining competent people. This is definitely what Russia needs right now.

>>63977119
>skim through employment contract
>unintentionally sign up for naval infantry battalion with 900% casualty rate
>die

>read contract carefully before signing anything
>end up actually dismantling the ship
>accidentally breach into one of the sealed decks
>get devoured by unholy abominations beyond human comprehension
>die


>read contract carefully before signing anything
>end up actually dismantling the ship
>carefully stay away form the sealed decks
>end up with brain damage, poisoned blood, and stage-4 turbo cancer from all the lead, asbestos, mazut, and other horribly hazardous materials aboard
>die

Yeah, nah. The job offer seemed pretty shit.

>>63975280
I've spent a lot of time wondering what her exit strategy is for when it all comes crashing down and it suddenly occurred to me that she might not have one at all
After all, if she's good enough to both keep the Russian economy running under these conditions AND avoid running afoul of the Byzantine politics of the Kremlin at the same time then whose to say she isn't good enough to come out on top when the dust settles

>>63977727
She has reportedly tried to quit her job multiple times. Putin won't let her.
She knows it's only a question of time before the entire russian economy collapses, at which point she'll get the blame and end up falling out a window. Alternatively they'll double down on the whole blame thing, by putting her on the bottle, and sentencing her to 1000 years in the gulag after a televised public show trial.

>>63976740
>when even Taiho and Shinano will mock you in carrier heaven

>>63977767
>"lol", says HMS Glorious, "lmao"

>>63977727
>madame president
>the last act of war before pulling out of Ukraine is to round up all the shysters in Russia and send them into suicidal meatwave assaults
>Russia settles with its neighbors
>Russia stops funding shills abroad
>Chang seething, thirdies seething
>Ends the grift, Russian living standards massively increase
>Russians stop drinking and krokodiling themselves to death out of despair, become human again

>>63977791
>>Russians stop drinking and krokodiling themselves to death out of despair, become human again
>>become human again
[Press X to doubt]
Even if russia somehow achieved peace, high living standards, free trade, and a democratic government free from corruption, the russian people would still act like massive assholes to their neighbors, and probably end up starting another pointless war. They've spent the last 2 centuries believing that russians somehow have a some kind of god-given right to special treatment, and this mindset will be impossible to break unless russia is completely and totally subjugated, humiliated, and ground into the dirt by another foreign power. That's the only kind of power dynamic the russians peons understand.

>>63977712
>>63977119
>>63977199
Somebody should make a horror game/movie out of this

>>63977922
getting coup'd by a woman would essentially be just that for the average russian

>>63974512
>Some products become 50% more expensive in a single year, like what the actual fuck.
And just imagine how much worse it is in Russia.

>>63975284
Well, she is adept in black financial magic and using necromancy on Russian economy, so...

>>63978097
You forgetting about Catherine the Great?

>>63978666
Well her husband was a Swede, so for Russians she was more of a liberator than anything.

>>63978703
Dude, Catherne the Great was from Prussia, not Russia.

Russians have always had to be saved from themselves by someone born elsewhere, NOT-RUSSIA.

>>63978915
I think Abramovich, Shvidler and Kerimov have the best aesthetic taste out of these. Special hate for Melnichenko, who was to lazy to give his boat an actual name.

>>63979075
I dunno. I think I like Nirvana the best, though like every other super yacht, it has way too much superstructure for my taste.

>>63978915
Saw Quantum Blue parked off Nice a few years ago. Was curious enough to look it up.

>>63978915
>maybe the real Russian navy is the super yachts we built along the way

>>63976740
>>63977782
>>63977767
USS Wolverine here, my sidewheels have entered orbit. Macon and Akron would be tapping in but they used up all their helium mocking it the fourth time it caught fire.

>>63973692
Her pain continues...

>>63973692
Even Warspite died eventually, they never got her to the breakers.

>>63978915
I agree, the "best" russian rulers have always been:
(a) foreign (Peter was such a Westaboo he barely counts as Russian)
(b) not hesitating to massacre a few million of the dumb cattle-slaves to make the rest fall in line

>>63978915
>>63979246
The Eclipse and Dilbar are bigger than Arleigh-Burke, they really kept Russian navy in check.

>>63970156 (OP)
But where will the cryptids inside go?

>>63980299
>Dilbar are bigger than Arleigh-Burke
you're joking
>16,000 GRT
fuck me

>>63980333
the lada nearest to you

>>63980354
Well, it's better than a commieblock in Mursmansk at least.

>>63980333
The dismantling crew will find out.

>>63979123
Yeah, what is it with superyachts and ridiculous superstructures?

>>63980191
That was, true to her name, an act of spite. Two world wars and the thanks she gets is the breakers' yard? I don't think she was willing to let that be how it went.

>>63980542
At a guess?
More living space.

>>63980542
People prefer looking at the sea from a balcony rather than a porthole.

>>63980724
Why would you want a better look at the thing trying to capsize and erase you?

>>63980995
Why would you not?

>>63974381
There is little doubt in my mind that a full crew of Thai ladyboy prostitutes would not only be more professional and competent than Russians, they'd have lower rates of HIV too.

Putin wanted to rebuild a territorial navy, for political reasons it was a feature of the Russian empire.

But his generals were right, carriers are dead tech, only useful for bullying developing countries. Guided bombs rendered carriers largely obsolete, then ballistic missiles, then guided missiles, then standoff missiles. The US sunk billions into advanced point defense in an attempt to keep their carriers relevant but they aren't exactly winning.
And the carrier based global hawk and f-35 make carriers sort of too valuable to deploy at all.

Australia just opted for helicopter carriers which can launch drones, and Iran and most middle powers are going the same way. drones don't require the logistical support so can be launched from merchant marine, so in terms of value they can't be beaten.

>>63970360
Yes. Flat keels do not look scary. They have to be pointy in order intimidate the enemy.

>Kursk gone
>Kuznetsov gone
We are getting old guys...

>>63983079
I think drone subs will be the way to go
Think insanely long range torpedo that surfaces and shits out 50 drones

>>63970163
I thought of your thread when I saw the news anon

>>63983079
>actually carriers suck and only idiots have them

>>63970156 (OP)
Just remember, no matter what, everything is fine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCjGbWR59jg

>>63983201
kek nice

>>63983124
It truly is a weird feeling having lived longer than Kuz, that thing seemed eternal with how important larping as a world power was for puccia.

>>63983335
It could've chugged on for a couple more decades if Russians weren't criminally incompetent (between the sinking drydock, being gaped by a crane and the fuckhuge fire).

>>63983357
Really aint that much left from their soviet inheritance by this point.
Some Oscar 2 SSGNs but just like everything else those are on borrowed time.

>>63973903
i know anon, it's inspired by the MR2 meme where it also was wrong, so i thought i put in that or literally carousel, as in 回転木馬
Still props for noticing, didn't expect anons actually reading it

>>63970156 (OP)
Do they have any idea what they are unsealing? Just turn it into a museum ship and weld off the no no area's.

>>63978070
>Somebody should make a horror game/movie out of this
5 nights at Kuznetzovs

>>63983357
Even then, I'd wager that if not for the Special Retardation Operation going into its 3 ½ year, they'd keep the Kuz as a port queen until the heat death of the universe just to be able to say that they have a carrier.

It's also why this is one the best indicators of the puccian economy being in the shits because willingly letting Kuz go would never happen otherwise. It's their top """prestige""" asset AND a great piece to engage in their favorite hobby with, corruption.

>>63973903
That's a lot of kanji for a very simple word

>>63983511
>willingly letting Kuz go would never happen otherwise. It's their top """prestige""" asset AND a great piece to engage in their favorite hobby with, corruption.
This, they would roll with it till the end of time if they could afford it, like they did with the Kuragino-Kyzyl railway line
They started it already in 2011 and picrel is all 5 billion of dollars gets you before the money ran out in 2021, now it's postponed to 2026 due to lack of funds but i suppose the current situation put even that cozy grift in danger

>>63983124
>Kursk gone
I don't watch news, don't tell me Putin finally went Belka on the Ukies.

>>63970177
thats some DOOM shit they released there