Thread 63970213

We have a million threads on Jewkraine and other crap, lets have a /k/omfy thread about fine shotguns, not your bubba shotguns, not your semi auto goose guns, pumps or box magazines.

Strictly SxS or O/U for the purposes of clay shooting

What do you shoot, what do you use, are you any good?

31" GMK special Edition Beretta 694
English Skeet / Sporting
Got my first national cap this year and county cap x 3 this year
4x 100
AA class in both

What you got in the cabinet?

A303 Beretta
Nikko Shadow Indy
Winchester Shadow Indy
682 Gold E Beretta
SV10 Beretta
Mossberg 500 in 410 hushpower moderator

For whatever reason I'm terrible at trap but I'm pretty good at skeet and I love clays.

I used to shoot a Benelli Cordoba (yeah yeah, semiauto, but it's not remotely tactical), right now I'm shooting a Silver Pigeon. I really want a round-action 20ga, I've been debating buying a Beretta 486, or perhaps looking around for a nice used gun. My ideal shotgun would be a 20 or 28ga Dickson round action with a straight stock choked IM/Full.

>>63970301
As an american I suspect you use maintain lead? Its the dominant method for both sporting clays and skeet in your game, swing through is the hard method.

I suggest looking at Brandon Powell's method, from the back edge, which is what I teach in the UK here, I swing through most targets, I pull away when longer or more techincal but most is from behind. Trap is always swing through, the bird always beats you.

Learn how to use swing through effectively and properly and you'll learn how to shoot trap. Let it rip, trust your hands and don't react on the flash. See the line, see the bird in clarity THEN move, move fast but true and pull trigger when you know is right.

You can do it

>>63970301
>I've been debating buying a Beretta 486
I love the look of these guns, if you can do it, you won't regret it. There is a version by Marc Newson for big bucks but my word. This is art. You buy a pair, never shoot them. The one for normal money, 20g for your kind of hunting? Yeah 100% if you have the funds free.

>Silver Pigeon
How long the barrels? The 28 is awful, the 30 meh the 32 ok. But it's not great the balance and things, as a work horse for entry it's great but pick up a 688 or 694 and you'll realise for clays it's not the right tool

>My ideal shotgun would be a 20 or 28ga Dickson round action with a straight stock choked IM/Full.
Very based and small gauge pilled

>>63970213 (OP)
cool thread, but /k/ is mostly no gunz yuros and most of the has gunz Americans on here only own rifles and or handguns and if we do own shotguns they are for mad dumping into trash

>>63970388
I swing through, that just happens to be the method that I was taught. That said, I haven't tried to shoot trap in ages so perhaps I'm nowhere near as bad as I originally claimed. I don't really enjoy it much compared to clays, and it's honestly been years since I've even tried it.

>There is a version by Marc Newson for big bucks but my word.
Those are very nice indeed! I certainly don't have that kind of cash lying around; I could save up but fine 19th century British guns are my collectors interest and if I were spending that kind of money I'd much rather buy something vintage, though not necessarily something I'd shoot clays with. Two other pieces on my wish list are a fine sidelock .410 with a second set of smallbore rifle barrels, something like .22 Hornet or .300 Sherwood, and a fine 12-bore ball and shot gun. There's also a handful of rifles and handguns I'm still looking for.

My silver pigeon is 32". It's clearly nothing special, but a reliable workhorse that didn't break the bank is what I wanted when I bought it and it has been exactly that.

>>63970580
>I swing through, that just happens to be the method that I was taught. That said, I haven't tried to shoot trap in ages so perhaps I'm nowhere near as bad as I originally claimed. I don't really enjoy it much compared to clays, and it's honestly been years since I've even tried it.
It's a discipline, like skeet, something you have to learn. Sporting clays is a lot more intuitive and fun. It love it, II'm just good at skeet, though I say that I was 3 off High gun last week. Recetly my sporting is world class in line with my skeet.

>Those are very nice indeed! I certainly don't have that kind of cash lying around;
The standard in 20 is still beautiful, in 20g perfect combination and for £3250 for one used, thats not bad. My 694 was £3200 now £4200 RRP

>My silver pigeon is 32". It's clearly nothing special, but a reliable workhorse that didn't break the bank is what I wanted when I bought it and it has been exactly that.
Exactly, it is what it is, just realise it has limitations for when you want to play competitive shooting but overall it's an absolute unit of a gun.

>>63970605
>The standard in 20 is still beautiful
The standard model is reasonably priced IMHO. And honestly even the 486EL isn't too unreasonable. But that's pushing what I'd be willing to spend on a new production gun, and even then it's really eating into my antique budget.

>>63970213 (OP)
>not a gen 3 g19
>not an 11.5 PSA AR
fuddslop, into the trash it goes

>>63970213 (OP)
Based thread

I shoot a single shot NEF Pardner 12 gauge, Mod choke. Works for upland but my town doesn't have a trap range so no fun comfy clay days for me

Planning on getting fiance an O/U 20 gauge but she is very shooting skiddish, should I go .410 or 28 gauge?

Love U all

>>63970580
>Two other pieces on my wish list are a fine sidelock .410 with a second set of smallbore rifle barrels, something like .22 Hornet or .300 Sherwood,
you would honestly probably have an easier time finding an old double rook rifle and having a set of .410 barrels made to fit it than trying to find anything like that as an existing set. Maybe give Vintage Guns a call

>>63970213 (OP)
Not really a purpose built skeeter more of a JoATBMoN however I use her for the task anyway.

>>63971284
Forgor pic

>>63971251
Eh, they're not *that* rare. I've seen a few at auction, and I already own rarer pieces. I missed this one at auction two years ago and I was not happy. It sold for an unbelievably low price due to a strange technicality as well:
https://auctions.morphyauctions.com/_C__ALEXANDER_HENRY_SIDE_BY_SIDE_2_BARREL_RIFLE_AN-LOT560396.aspx

I'm totally open to the idea of having barrels made for an existing gun though.

>>63971332
There was also this, which was more or less exactly what you suggested having done.
https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/rifles/holland-holland-rifles/cased-holland-holland-top-lever-double-hammer-300-rook-rabbit-rifle-410-gauge-shotgun-2-barrel-set-.cfm?gun_id=102680962

>>63970213 (OP)
Yeah I don’t shoot clays with a gay double, I use a Browning Auto 5 like JMB intended, if I’m not using that I’m using a Remington 870 or Benelli Supernova. And sporting clays is the supreme sport btw, trap and skeet are boring!

>>63971332
>Eh, they're not *that* rare. I've seen a few at auction,
That's true enough, I more meant that double rook rifles seem to come up a lot more often than sets like that
>and I already own rarer pieces
Some of the Charles Gordon collection, right? thought it was you.
and damn, but that alex henry getting away is a shame
>>63971349
I saw a set almost identical to that once, but by Rigby and with slightly longer barrels on the shotgun side, very interesting

>>63971213
A 20 and starting with light loads might be better, since you're starting with a slightly heavier gun, which tames recoil better and you can work up to heavier loads in a gun she already knows and is comfortable with

now that i have your attention
jewkraine lost

>>63971213
Like >>63972634 says, a 20 with 21g carts or whatever that translates to in freedom units, 7/8 is 24g so 5/8 oz maybe? 410 is an experts gun, not a kids gun as much as people want to use them for kids its not appropriate and a woman can take a 20 bore easy.

>>63971361
>I'm better than every world class shooter, olympian and National shooter because I use a semi auto designed a hundred years ago

No one cares about your erectile dysfunction or small dick. You can try and use an auto 5, I along with the entire clay shoot fraternity, will laugh at you and your scores

Acting like a tough man doesn't win you shit

How hard is it to get into shooting skeet/clays? Only shotgun I own is a Mossberg 500. Not sure if that is suitable or not.

>>63973132
It'll do for trap - single shot game, it's wont be the best for sporting clays or for skeet where doubles is involved. You can learn to shoot with one sure, sporting birds and the presentations can be all shot with a 500, i shoot high birds on a 100ft tower with a 500 in 410 with a can on the end! But you will struggle with report pairs or doubles.

I would suggest a O/U for these games as it is 2 shots with good weight, balance and designed for the task at hand.

That said if you can rack it between birds go for it - just most people don't have the ability to do this when under pressure.

Used O/U's are good deals, I would look for a browning or beretta (easy to fix / parts) and will fit most people.

Learning to shoot all the presentations takes time. Its not an overnight learn, watch the greats. Digweed or Powell have some amazing videos online but the only way you get better is with a coach or someone who can shoot which can assist you.

Learning on your own takes a LOOOOOOONG time

>>63972634
>>63973109
>410 is an experts gun
2nding this. I don't think .410's are good for beginners shooting clays because the pattern is so small they can be challenging to hit with, and is frustrating for new shooters. Light loads are key. Heavy gun + light load = low recoil. The average woman should have no problem with a 20 as a beginner.

>>63973132
hey look its OP replying to his thread pretending to be a newbie asking a question

>>63973142
>but the only way you get better is with a coach or someone who can shoot which can assist you.
This is great advice. The thing with shooting clays is that you don't really get any feedback the way you do shooting paper or even steel with rifles or handguns. Say you're shooting a rifle at typical paper target and you hit six inches below the bullseye--you see the bullet hole in the target so you instantly know how you missed (low) and by how much. That gives you instant, accurate, feedback to correct your next shot. Let's say you're shooting a clay and you miss. What happened? There's no impact on paper to record your shot, so you probably have no idea if you were too high, low, in front of or behind the bird (clay). The big benefit of an instructor is they can stand behind you, watch while you shoot, and tell you *how* you missed. That feedback is super important.

>>63973271
>me, op, is bong
>replies are burgers

are you dim perhaps?

>>63973279
I might know a bit about shooting pic rel lol Ben Hustawite - as much of a cock as he is - is correct about you as a learner cannot tell what method you did, what you did or how you did it, the man behind you can.

Shotkams are good for watching your game kills and learning lead but are otherwise a bit of a shit tool for learning. An instructor, like myself, who CAN shoot is also key, many people will tell you how to shoot when they haven't got a system or fundamentals like a boxer learning footwoork and jab before all else.

>>63973240
Correct, 20g or 12 with 12g loads is how you get the correct work out of people - the one issue is women are dogshit for gunfit on a shotgun. They need a gun designed by a woman, recoil is mitigated by a gun that fits before all else

When you can get those factors of fit and cartidge, you can get anyone to shoot. Next comes stance and feet position. Before I've even let you shoot yet.

>>63973314
IMHO gun fit is a problem even for men. Since most shotguns are made with factory mass production in mind they went with a "one size fits all" sort of design. They usually have no cast at all which I suppose is a compromise so you can sell the same gun to rightys and leftys, but IMHO it just means that both rightys and leftys shoot the same gun equally poorly. Unless you happen to be about 5' 10" and of average build then the length of pull is probably wrong too. Drop is a crapshoot. I'd like to see someone taking a stab at fixing this problem at a more modest price point; I'd imagine there are a lot of people who want a properly fitted gun but who don't want to pay for super high end engraving, wood, etc that usually comes with that.

I think this could be a great solution:
>Go to gun shop, they have a kiosk that takes measurements for your ideal fit. This could be done with a try-gun fitted with sensors and/or a camera that takes pictures to make a 3D model of your body. Or if you know the measurements you want you simply provide them.
>measurements get sent off-site where a CNC router carves a custom stock from a blank of the customer's choice--everything from cheap laminate to high grade wood
>stock is finished and shipped to the customer
That ought to enable good gun fit at a reasonable price for common models.

>>63973109
Lmao you’d die before you even got to station 5, it’s 100 degrees out here and I know you soggy little Brits can’t handle the heat. And don’t be jealous your nanny state forces you to buy $10,000 shotguns to enjoy a sport that’s cheap and fun in America, I’ll be over here enjoying my freedom, semi automatic shotgun, and large penis in the sweltering heat. Oh and btw, that shotgun and spare barrel was only $650 after tax.

>>63973142
Pairs and double are easy with a pump, get good.

>>63970213 (OP)
Yes I love a good round of clays. I have a Baikal O/U and a Benelli M3 that I show up with. I'm very new and shit, my hitrate is around 40-50% and I know it's because I wait until after the clay reaches its apex to shoot. Still, it's very fun and might very the most enjoyment I've gotten out of shooting in a long time. Plus shells and clays are cheap as shit compared to the current going rates for 9mm and 5.56

>>63973609
You little faggot I just shot 400 birds in 35c

Its been a month long heatwave in the UK you fucking spastic

I shoot 10k skeet a year in all weathers you absolute small dick enegery twat

>>63973614
>get good
>is member of national team

You don't know what good means buddy, I can do it. Others shouldnt. You can't or you'd have a video of you doing it to show me you doing it

>>63973622
It’s so easy to make Brits seethe and mald lmao fragile little eggs you all are can’t take any banter like Aussies and Kiwis.

>>63973630
Its not banter though, you dont know what banter is. You are just spiteful wihtout the character, yanks cant do banter you actually dont know what irony, sarcasm or self depricating humour is because you think you are some kind of special species.

No one on earth woulod read what you said and think that was banter.

Absolute malding retard poor fag

>>63973629
So I should bring an entire Youtube production team and setup them up at every station before I shoot? You know people have limited time in the day right?

>>63973622
35 is still pretty nice compared to the mid to high 40s we get, what's the humidity like though? That's the real killer

>>63973636
lmao

I have a mate with a phone thats all I use

You can do it, show me

Stop lying

>>63973639
87% currently

>>63973634
It is you just feel too personally attacked to do anything but lash out lmao

>>63973645
no, you are a retard who came in here like a yank stereotype who is being laughed at.

What national team have you shot for? State? County? None?

Get good scrub

>>63973644
>>63973639
>Ohhhhhh it’s 83 with 87% humidity we’re all going to dieeeeeeeee

Try going to the gulf coast sometime you faggots.

WHAT THE FUCK IS SIGHT PICTURE AHHHHHHHHH
Seriously, the boomers at the trap club tell me you dont even see the gun barrel when the birds fly out from the bunker. I just cant wrap my head around on what the fuck that means. I always did pic related when blasting steel but now im only hitting about 7-9 clays a round. I've been told my mount is good, but my sight isnt? what the fuck you mean maaaaaan.

Yeah

>>63975847
>Just putting the wood right on the concrete
Madman

>>63975668
Think about where your point of focus is if you're using your bead. You're focusing 2 feet away instead of on the target that's 50 feet away.
Your point of focus should be on the house, or where you know the target will appear.
I know more than a few folks that have cut off the mid bead, and removed the bead next to the chokes, or blacked it out with a sharpee so they don't see it.

>>63976066
Hmmmmm
I'll try the blacked out bead and see if help. I do my holds just above the bunker center with it in focus. I wish I could afford a shotkam to see where my cloud is going:(

>>63976159
Try glasses if you haven’t

>>63976162
Any brand you like or should I be good buying from the beretta store?

I don’t get to shoot it as much as I like, and it’s generally just me and some friends with a plastic clay thrower.. but I inherited my dads BT-99 browning break action.. single barrel 12 gauge, really nice gun. He did competitions with it but got out of the habit when I was young. Never got to shoot it with him. Parents were divorced and I think he just didn’t think I’d be that into it. From my end I always knew he had guns but felt like they weren’t something I could bug him about. I did go shooting with him with 22’s but never got to do any clays before he passed. So that’s two things I want to do different with my kids.. give them the chance to try shooting with me and see if it’s something they’re interested in. And also not smoke my entire life and pass in my early 60’s.

>>63976220
It’s a really nice gun, great wood, some wear marks. Made in Japan. Even have the fur lined leather case… which honestly feels classy as fuck.

>>63976220
Thats a pretty gun anon. I'm glad your breaking the mold and doing some nice new things with your children. Rooting for you and I hope you get to dust some clays soon!

>>63976224
Thx. For what it’s worth I go target shooting a lot, usually weekly. But till my kids are older it’s harder to get out to the middle of nowhere where there’s space to do clays and rifle stuff… also I live about 7 minutes from an indoor range. Got twin 6 year olds and a 9 year old. But he’s nowhere near responsible or serious enough to try with 22’s yet. Once they’re a little older, and especially if they get into it, I’m hoping to be able to do “out to the middle of nowhere” trips more often.

>>63976159
On your next round hold your muzzle slightly below the lip of the bunker/trap house.
What you're doing right now is blocking where the bird exits the house when instead you should see it as soon as it leaves, pull your barrel up behind it, blam.
So barrel right below the lip of the house, focus point in the distance. Your eyes will catch the motion easier that way. The science we were taught is it's easier to go from a far focus to close, than it is to go from close to far.
As the other poster said, get glasses. I use Decot, but a lot of other brands are great. They help the target 'glow'.
I use a pair of dark purple lenses for super bright, light purple for cloudy, barely tinted yellow for night. https://www.decot.com/product/classic-hy-wyd-shooting-glasses-packages/

>>63970213 (OP)
I only shoot clays out in the woods with a hand thrower with the boys. I use a 1920's Spanish sxs since that's my only shotgun. Can't say I'm very good at it. It is the most fun you can have with a gun though imo.

>>63975668
A lot of that has to do with the 'drop' measurement of the stock. If your gun does not fit you properly you will be constantly fighting this problem.

Picture this: You're standing at low ready. You pick some point in the sky to aim at, mount your gun, and look down the barrel. Ideally you will see the "correct bead alignment" on the right side of your pic. You shouldn't have to move your head or the gun to get that sight picture, the gun should naturally point like that when you mount it and get your cheek weld.
Now imagine that instead your shotgun has a very large amount of drop in the stock, like a Kentucky Longrifle. If you get a good cheek weld on that, where the stock is fairly horizontal, the barrels are now pointing down, below the target. You couldn't see the bead at all because the receiver would be in the way. That's an exaggerated case of what happens when there is too much drop.
If the gun doesn't have enough drop then you get the far left of the pic--the barrel points too high.

Depending on what gun you have there are various ways of adjusting drop. On many modern guns it's possible to put angled shims between the receiver and the stock, some guns come with these from the factory.

>>63970213 (OP)
Shooting trap for 1.5 years just started skeet last month. I think trap is more difficult due to the random factor.

But because i also duck hunt ive been going back and forth with shooting 50/50 for everything or switching to 60/40 for trap as my browning cynergy has a mid bead. But its probably better to just stick with 50/50.

>>63976066
>mid bead
In my opinion a "mid bead" is a useless gizmo that attempts to act as a band-aid solution for poor gun fit, but in reality all it does is make the gun more expensive to build. It is possible for a shooter to take the extra time to align the mid-bead and bead, however if the gun fits the shooter properly that alignment is automatic, the mid-bead is redundant, and the time taken to align it is wasted.

>>63975668

Well when you first line your head up to your gun you want to make sure youre level and in line with the guns sites/beads. But once you get there dont look at the bead or the end of the barrel anymore. When you call pull your eyes should be looking out in the distance past the trap house, like if theres a field or trees, not really focusing on anything in particular. When thr target is launched your peripheral vision picks it up and then you move to focus on it. You dont look at your barrel to see where youre aiming youre only looking at the target.

Imagine youre a baseball player. A ball is coming at you and you need to catch it. Do you stare at your glove to make sure its going to the ball or do you keep your eye on the ball?

As long as you properly mounted the gun before you called pull everything is lined up. You just need to see the target and shoot when you feel you have caught up to it.

>>63976273

I heard an intersting point for holding above the house actually. It reduces vertical movement. Less movement you have to make the easier. Youre right it does block your site a bit but you dont have to come up far at all. Of course this doesnt work for wobble trap cause they can be really low

>>63975847
>lacquered like a 9th grade woodshop project
I can tell by the figure it's just the lighting. Good looking wood.

>>63977763

Stacking midbead under front bead is a quick and easy way to get a 60/40 or 70/30 point of impact though

>>63977733
>random factor
This is why I really like sporting clays, as both trap and skeet have some degree of predictability. Skeet has fixed positions and angles. Trap has random angles but the clays are always flying away from you within a limited arc. With sporting clays anything goes, including things you will never see in trap or skeet like like those rabbit targets that bounce across the ground, minis, battues, etc.

>>63977789

Ya ive shot rabbits and teals in 5 stand. Theyre fun. I think the nearest sporting sporting clay place to me is 1.5 h away or even 2 h. But one day i will try it. Looks fun

>>63976220
>I always knew he had guns but felt like they weren’t something I could bug him about.
>i can't talk to my father
Many such. Don't be him fornyour kids. Break the chain.

>>63977768
>or do you keep your eye on the ball?
This. You keep your eye on the target, or where you expect the target to appear if you haven't called "pull" yet. You should not be focusing on your gun. If the gun fits you properly you can call pull at low ready and when you mount the gun it will naturally have the perfect "sight picture". If the gun doesn't fit you properly then you will be constantly fighting that because when you bring the gun up and mount it the barrel will be pointing somewhere other than the target.

>>63977805
I always forget about 5-stand. That's also more fun than skeet or trap IMHO. It's like "sporting clays lite"

>>63976159
Take off the bead. Gun is now your arm. Ur velkom

What is your go to shot weight? I shoot 7/8oz at 1350 fps because I have delusional thoughts that I'll be an Olympic level shooter one day

>>63970213 (OP)
used to. now it's boring.

>>63979283
My favorite is Remington Nitro Sporting Clays 1-1/8 @1300. I also like Winchester AA and Remington STS 1-1/8.

>>63978766
That works, but only if the gun fits you well. And that's a big "if".

>>63970213 (OP)
I shoot a 686. Solid to the point of being boring. Looking into a nice Francotte or Lebeau SxS just for the fun of it.

>>63975668
ok heres how you figure out if your stock fits you get a straw
tape it to the top of the receiver dead center.
shoulder the gun
if you can see the bead the gun fits you.
if you cant go get some cardboard and start taping on shims untill you can see the bead through the straw.
if the stock is too high and needs to be lowered you shim between the stock and receiver.
after you can see through the straw measure your cardboard and go find a better material thats not cardboard to make a riser with.
or if you are ghetto just cover the shit in tape.
before making it permanent go to the range and try with the temporary cardboard.

>>63980435
Thats actually pretty handy, all I have is a basic bitch Beretta A300 outlander so no adjustable comb for me, I'll fit myself and see what I get.

>>63977763
100% agree. Most proper clays shotguns these days has no mid bead except Browning which loves them for some fucking reason.
Just shoot Beretta and you won't have that nonsense problem. If you're gucci get a Perazzi.

>>63977783
If you're shooting a static target like say a deer with slugs, absolutely.
If you're shooting a moving target like a bird/clay/etc pretend your beads don't exist.

>>63977777
You're gonna have to take my word on this one boss. Hold at the lip of the house, look out into the distance, watch your scores rise.

>>63980674
Lefty?

>>63980656

Oh no i mean just at first whem youre mounting. You stack the beads so you know youve got the gun mounted with thr poi you want. And then forget about the beads and look past them when you call for the bird.

>>63970213 (OP)
Used to shoot NSCA competitions with a Beretta 692 for a year. Went from E class to C class.. Quit because one day I was driving my golf cart to the next station, rounded a bend, and some boomer was aiming a shotgun down the cart path right at me.
>WTF asshole?
No response. I complained to management and they shrugged it off. Haven't been back since. The day of the pillow can't come soon enough.

I suck at shooting clays, I mostly use a Mossberg 940 JM pro it's a fucking sexy gun. I have two wheelybirds on wobblers that I modified a lil. Tossed some bigger habor freight wheels on and designed/3dprinted motorcycle battery holders for them. Thinking of playing "ukrane games" and having them launch the clays at me while I pop them defensively (with PPE of course)

>>63981389
You need to sell the idea of launching clays towards the shooter to the Army. Call it FPV defense training sim. I wanna see some fresh pv2 get smacked in the face with a clay while trying to take it out with a cylinder bore Benelli M4

>>63981423
I just think it would be fun, shake things up from the stick up the ass traditional people lol. Toss on a helmet, goggles/glasses and have some fun in a more modern practical way. My clay throwers are setup for wireless with different timing so it makes it a bit more chaotic between the timing and wobblers. Next time I am out in the mountains I will do a bit of playing on the positions/angles between them and shooters to figure out how to best do it. Your shooting definitely changes a bit with something being lobbed at you vs away. I saw Jerry using a version of the JM pro that was ported and now I kinda want to port mine too.

Only shoot casually, but luv me 1301 comp pro.
I've technically only been to two events but last one I scored like 15th out of 200 so not terrible.

>>63981423
Unironically, when I teach beginners to shoot shotguns one of the first things we do is go on the skeet field and just shoot low birds at station 1. They're not coming directly at the shooter of course but that kind of angle is much easier to hit for new shooters than the middle stations.

>>63982829
What kind of fundamental are you teaching them while doing so? Not criticizing just taking notes so I can teach my sister how to shotgun.

>>63984519
Just the very basics of getting used to shooting moving targets. I start with station 7 where the clay is going away from the shooter, then station 1. I'm not focusing on the game of skeet or its strategy; rather it's just a convenient way to get consistent, easy, target throws. It's harder to teach newbies on the trap range because the presentation is random each time so it's more challenging for them, whereas if you're using the skeet range you can move around between the edge positions that are easier, like 1 and 7, and move more towards the center as they get more confidence or as you're trying to work on lead.

>>63970213 (OP)
I like shooting clays with my suppressed 22

>>63973622
>Its been a month long heatwave in the UK you fucking spastic
just rub some yogurt on your windows

I’m looking for an over/under for clays. Budget is 2-3k. Is a beretta silver pigeon my best option here?

>>63990748
Beretta Silver Pigeon or Browning Citori. They are both excellent guns. The Citori is made by Miroku in Japan.

>>63970213 (OP)
i went one time in 5th grade with an old friend from school (now idea where he is now or what he's up to, grew apart in high school and haven't talked since) and his parents. Been chasing that high ever since it was a blast pun intended. also first time firing any gun other than a shitty single shot .22lr at a boy scout camp.

>>63979525
I like how Winchester AA's shoot, but they smell like satans asshole.

Hands down the best smelling round Ive ever shot was the Federal Gold Medal with the paper hulls.

Anyone else have some favorites to sniff?

>>63991164
This

See if you can fingerfuck either. I prefer the Citori but my friend got the Silver Pigeon and swears by it, personally I find it too thin,

>>63993205
Yeah, the AA's do smell like ass, but they pattern well so I put up with it.

Best smelling? I had some old paper-hulled Eley high-velocity pigeon loads I got with a gun I bought off a boomer years ago. Those were amazing.