Thread 63971952

THE RAFAEL WAS NOT SHOT DOWN.
I repeat
>THE RAFAEL WAS NOT SHOT DOWN.

Ramjeet just turned the jet midflight. That's why the Spectra suit did not detect the incoming missiles. It wasn't even hit. It just fell off the sky.

>pilot's fault
for this time I'll trust in rajesh the poolot instead of rajesh the chosen caste cooder working for booing

>>63971952 (OP)
>pilot cut fuel off
how the fuck is that even possible?
the entire take off procedure would preclude such an idiotic thing from even being possible
except this is jeets we are talking about, so....

>>63972136
Why worry about something that will never happen, saar?

>>63972136
>how the fuck is that even possible?
I mean, it's two switches. Granted they're springloaded with security features so that can't be accidentally moved, you have to yank and hold them and move them to another groove or something like that, but the pilots can still just do it if they want to. It's very possible.

What I assume you're really wondering is "why the fuck would a dude with 8000 flight hours do some shit like that" which is the real question. People are speculating it's yet another murder/suicide thing, like that fag who flew into a mountain. But it had to be deliberate, data recorded showed each switch being flipped to off one after another. Just one wouldn't have done it, plane could still have flown on one engine. Then they were both turned back on like 10 seconds later, but that was too long at that altitude. Hard to conceive it being an accident. If it was some sort of rando pooism then it's the most retarded thing ever.

>>63972136
>The aircraft achieved the maximum recorded airspeed of 180 knots IAS [indicated airspeed] at about 08:08:42 UTC and immediately thereafter, the engine 1 and engine 2 fuel cutoff switches transitioned from RUN to CUTOFF position one after another with a time gap of 1 second

>One pilot can be heard on the cockpit voice recorder asking the other why he cut off the fuel. “The other pilot responded that he did not do so,” the report said.

>>63972159
I doubt it's a suicide because it's extremely uncertain turning it off would cause the plane to crash. Like I'm surprised it even took ten seconds before the copilot noticed.

>>63972171
With jeets you always loose.

>>63972171
>One pilot can be heard on the cockpit voice recorder asking the other why he cut off the fuel. “The other pilot responded that he did not do so,” the report said.
Why I'm not surprised at all?

>>63971952 (OP)
>it was pilot initiated
Called it from the beginning
The poo shilling for it being anything but was funny ngl

>>63972136
>Why did you shut off the fuel?
>I didnt

>>63972220
>>63972235
>Hey you Bitch
>DID YOU REDEEM THE FUEL
>no saar
>WHY YOU REDEEM THE FUEL

>>63972171
>>63972220
>>63972235
The fuel switches cannot be switched off by accident. It takes a deliberate action to switch them off. It's a two stage function.
Not even a panicking pilot can accidentally move them to the cutoff position.
Pilot suicide or genuine retard

https://youtu.be/wA_UZeHZwSw?si=VVhQdO4eFTAuK92g

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>>63972248
He is retarded. Turning off the engines is a retarded way to commit suicide. If the copilot didn't take ten whole seconds to realise it, or notice that they were traveling at 180 knots and decreasing, nothing would've happened

>>63972274
the lack of basic safeguards is retarded too

>>63972274
Startle factor is going to eat into that response time, plus diagnosing what the fuck is happening. You lose engine power on takeoff your first thought probably isn't that your captain is trying to an hero you. Hell, even if you saw it happen your brain would probably try to rationalize what you were seeing before reality set in.

>>63971952 (OP)
my sister died on this plane :(

>>63972298
I'm sorry for your loss, anon.

>>63971952 (OP)
Inb4 air india sued out of existence for gross incompetence and wrongful death.

>>63972339
Air France still exists when their pilot of 2936 flight hours didn't know what the fuck stall was.

>>63971952 (OP)
wait so you can just like, turn off the engines in midair? there's no safeguards to prevent that?

>>63972388
In case of engine fire

>>63972388
It is part of multiple non normal checklists. There are safeguards from accidental switching, but no safeguard from deliberate actuation for whatever reason, just as there's no safeguard from deliberately going nose down into the ground.

>>63972373
Glock would be sued for much less...

>>63972374
He got confused by the bad design of the alert system. The stall alert cut off after the system stopped receiving data from sensors. The correct functionality would've been to keep ringing, because the last recorded state had been stall.

>>63972293
Possibly. But as an ex suicidee, (male) suiciders are extremely concerned about success. So slamming into the side of a mountain, yeah. But turning off your engines after takeoff and hoping it crashes doesn't sound like something a suicidal person would do. Given that it happened three seconds after takeoff, there was another equally plausible theory that he had a horribly incompetence brain fart and thought he was retracting the landing gear (where the switches also have safeguards)

>>63972136
Please understand, saar, Ramjeet was just practicing flushing a toilet with the switches. It's a very new operation for them and they need all the practice they can get to finally stop shitting in the streets.

>>63972414
was there any way to safe the plane?
switches were turned back after 10 seconds and still was too late.

>>63972136
"Rajesh co-pilot I can save fuel during the climb, I'm a genius" (all the cockpit crew is called Rajesh)
"Impressive, sir"

>>63972403
In the event of pointing the nose down the other pilot has a chance to wrestle you from the controls. I think anon is surprised that there's a "press here to crash" switch that can be hit without any kind of delay or sign off/awareness from the other pilot.

>>63972412
He was pulling the joystick back the entire time, even for people who played simulators only knew what would happen, somehow he didn't.

>>63972433
Or at least like an audio warning that it happened. It took 10 seconds for the other pilot to realize it happened

>>63972422
Its pretty uncertain. The big thing was that the fuel cutoff caused the engines to shut down completely and there wasn't enough time to start them back up. Maybe if I were a trained pilot i'd know for sure that this would happen. But psychologically, males have a strong tendency towards violent, physical action

>>63972446
>The big thing was that the fuel cutoff caused the engines to shut down completely
wrong:
"The EGT was observed to be rising for both engines indicating relight. Engine 1’s core deceleration stopped, reversed and started to progress to recovery. "

>>63972434
the human mind is a weapon

>>63972248
Boeing magic?

>>63972414
Killing both engines immediately upon takeoff is actually not a terrible way to bring down an airliner. Even if it’s caught immediately and the engines restarted, it’s still going to take a minute or more for the engines to spool up. And with Germansings and that China flight a couple years ago, a lot of airlines are pushing policies that prevent someone from being alone in the cockpit during flight, so there’s no guarantee that you’d be able to accomplish it that way.

>>63972433
>>63972443
This. There should be an audible alert when *both* switches (to avoid unnecesary alerts if an engine has to be deactivated) are shut off, while the sensors still register airspeed data.

>>63972467
fuel control switches work the same in airbus

>>63972470
Also, I should point out that there was ten seconds between the time of engine shutdown and attempted restart. So either the perpetrator, whichever one it was, got cold feet and tried to save it, or the other pilot had pretty damn good reaction time to figure out that there was a problem, how severe the problem was, what the problem is, who caused the problem, and what the solution was.

>>63972485
it was the later. we have audio:
"In the cockpit voice recording, one of the pilots is heard asking the other why did he cutoff. The other pilot responded that he did not do so."

>>63972487
Assuming that it was actually the victim pilot asking, and not the perp trying to hide his involvement for whatever reason.

>>63972499
be that as it may, the other pilot know about the problem

>>63972456
More specifically I mean that the engines could not quickly resume thrust

>>63972470
>>63972485
Wouldn't it be pretty easy to find out? You'd see airspeed dropping.And i'd assume there's some kind of engine powered off indicator

Why is every picture of an indian man so fucking funny