Thread 63972736

So minefields have replaced traditional fortifications.... how the fuck do you counter them? You literally cannot advance without being heavily attrited.

Lots of cheap UGVs with mine detonating devices mounted on front of them

>>63972740
Whats stopping this thing from getting blown to bits by enemy infantry/drones? Theres literally no fucking counterplay

>line clearing charges
>rollers
>plows
Don't mistake two impoverished countries at war for the state of modern warfare, there are lots of options but neither Russia or Ukraine can afford to field them in numbers.

>>63972743
Russia and Ukraine has massive budgets for military right now due to semi total war on Russia's end and complete total war on Ukraine's end

>>63972743
Drooling cretins who keep saying things like that is why we need eugenics.
The was a minefields section in the RUSI paper on the Ukrainian 2023 counter-offensive.
Their conclusion was that the existing NATO doctrine is completely obsolete because a small number of "prestige" vehicles with specialized equipment like plows and rollers gets destroyed by drones before doing anything.

>>63972742
It will get blown to bits by the first mine in runs into

>>63972785
>massive budgets right now
ukraine's is just barely higher than france, wtf are you talking about.
also, still not modern armies, still not modern equipment, still shitty airforces with no SEAD tactics.
niggers who spout
>THE UKRAINE WAR IS THE NEW PARADIGM
are fucking idiots, it's seen innovations in information relay and recconnaissance, and drones are a thing people will have to adapt to, but no, russia and ukraine not having sufficient mine-clearing equipment does not mean mines are some sort of new type of fortification.
>>63972787
>a small number of "prestige" vehicles
and ukraine constantly complained that they weren't getting enough to make a difference.
western armies have WAY more of these and they're also less liable to get taken out by a KA-52 because they'd have air superiority or at least localized air-superiority and the KA-52's would be forced to fuck off or die.
>nooo but my fantasy
this. is. not. a. new. paradigm.
this war's tactics are set by it's initial conditions and the two opponent, they do not set the standard for warfare.

>>63972787
That is a drone defence issue not a mine field issue.
Attach a decent SPAA to the engineering unit and now those same vehicles preform just fine because they aren't getting droned.

Minefields are a traditional fortification

>Captured enemy towns have lots of bodies
>Have then walk in separate lines over the mine field
>watch evedything with drone to see where there are no mines
>have a few fpv circling ahead if they get any funny ideas
>defenders either have to stop using mines or watch their people walk over them
>tell the people theyre going to be free if they survive/they get the chance to reunite with their family afterward

By using a fuse that does not detonate in a single reaction, resistance to anti-mine actions increases.

>>63972736 (OP)
In the west, young Brown, we de-mine the area.

>>63972884
Kill them and make a safe road of their remains.

>>63972884
>bug brain level of ethics

>>63972963
>Ethics
That primary school level of thought when you are still shackled to morality=Good of others.
Stop reading kant and start learning nietzsche

just dig under them bro

>>63972968
You might have a hard time convincing your non-psychopathic officers to enforce this kind of directive. Though Slavic nations and other non-whites would probably be fine with it.

>>63972884
>Kinda works first time
>Every other town is now filled with militia that snipe your soldiers the moment they get close
>All the food the towns give you is poisoned
>All your positions are given away to your enemies
>IEDs are blowing up all your vehicles left and right

>>63972736 (OP)
Nuclear mine clearing charge.

>>63972988
America could have used this advice before they went on to rape children and burn their parents

>>63973120
Lets not act like russia hasnt literaly replaced ethnic ukranians with Niggers

>>63973149
>migrant workers who helped rebuild mariupol totally want to stay there
Pretty sure the GDP per capita if Uzbekistan is higher than ukraine lol

>>63972742
>Whats stopping this thing from getting blown to bits by enemy infantry/drones?
No need to waste drones on it.
The first.mine will destroy to pieces the cheap front demining rack, the second.mine will.destroy the vehicle itself

>>63973120
i remember when israel and nato nuked japan

>>63973166
a country not invaded has a higher GDP than one that is? Shock, imagine my shock you vatnigger shill.

How come every nation that left russias sphere of influence had a drastic quality of life increase?

>>63973120
>always lays full claim to defeating nazism but responsibility for Afghanistan is rejected as a "Soviet affair"
>the right of Donetsk children to remain unbombed is sacrosanct (nothing happened in Grozny but these kids deserved it)

Russian attempts at moralfagging will never stop being funny.

>>63973200
Iraq's gdp is 3x that of ukraine despite being at war on qnd off for a century

>>63973204
>>always lays full claim to defeating nazism but responsibility for Afghanistan is rejected as a "Soviet affair"
The Ukrainians collaborated with the nazis, so did the balts. It was the Russians and assorted churkas who fought against hitler

>>63973120
>muh sides
Most of the time the US and their allies are a force for evil overthrowing popular governments to install puppets.
This does not mean it's ok when the west does it, it also doesn't mean it's ok when Russia does it.

>>63973166
Putin deported ethnic ukranians from a city and gave it to some arab/nigger mercenary

>>63973120
cool, now add all the literally russians killed by Stalin, and all the eastern block genocided by demand of the USSR

>>63973210
>The Ukrainians collaborated with the nazis
So did the Russians

>>63973223
Stalin was Georgian though.

>>63972736 (OP)
Combined arms goes brrrrrrrrrr

https://youtu.be/ZZ-sCT_maAQ?si=-T8aj6_5TjmWPIgY

>>63972736 (OP)
I'll take what is MRAP for $500 Alex. Also bonus what is M1150.

>>63972787
Ok... but we can adapt our doctrine, training, and TO&Es to deal with this, just like we've done dozens and dozens of times before.

>>63972813
>this war's tactics are set by it's initial conditions and the two opponent, they do not set the standard for warfare.
This needs to be a sticky.

>>63972996
Stop ban evading mandick. Don't you have interracial pornography to catalog?

>>63972787
That is another case that AFVs vulnerable to to drones and ATGMs have low value on battfield.

That is not breaching minefield with mine clearing vehicle problem. It's
>we made tank vulnerable to enemy ATGMs/drones and handwaved problem away problem

>>63973700
Boomer delusions.
You can't adapt if your AFVs are essentially non armored vs current threats.

>>63973725
Sucks to suck, thirdie.

>>63972813
> western armies have WAY more of these
Not really, neither did they solve those vehicles getting blown up by drones

>>63972743
The issue is that line clearing charges were made for "doctrine" minefields. In Ukraine the Russians threw everything but the kitchen sink at these defensive lines. The minefields can be 5x as deep and 2x as dense.
After detonating the first charge, the explosion and the sympathetic detonations create a massive smoke cloud which warns everyone of an incoming breach so all nearby artillery units will pre-sight that breach attempt.
After the surprise element is lost you'll have to then perform FOUR consecutive minefield breaches while under artillery and drone harassment.
>>63972813
>this war's tactics are set by it's initial conditions and the two opponent, they do not set the standard for warfare
The use of mines was essentially enabled by the Soviet stockpile. Outside of Korea I don't see a lot of chances for the conditions seen in Ukraine to happen again.
>>63972824
Even if you have drone defense, low flying Ka-52s that outrange MANPADS with their Vikhr and the ol' reliable artillery are still a problem.
You have to turbofuck artillery supply lines via cruise missile and HIMARS while simultaneously running an air campaign to enact Total Kamov Death.

>>63973816
>You have to turbofuck artillery supply lines via cruise missile and HIMARS while simultaneously running an air campaign to enact Total Kamov Death.
All of the major NATO countries can do this alone without a problem.

>>63973843
>All of the major NATO countries
So basically only America.

>>63973849
Divide and conquer brownoid thirdie trolling like this should be bannable.

Having to perform a breakthrough through a guarded minefield is one of the worst case operations, drones don't really bring in much more to it other than being more shit to shell that you hope you hit or suppress. Drones of course work both ways so the defending side has a disadvantage in that their positions are static and more readily attacked.

>>63973816
>low flying Ka-52s that outrange MANPADS with their Vikhr
That's what an air force is for

>>63972736 (OP)
Complete air superiority to keep planes and drones from attacking while having the artillery advantage to suppress the enemy.
That allows you to then clear the minefields slowly and relatively safely.
Something the USA could do with its complete dominance of the air but Ukraine and Russian are SOL right now. Only real option for them is to go around it.

>>63972743
Combined arms breaching is the hardest task a brigade or division can do, and it's routinely failed with massive casualties at NTC / JRTC

>>63972736 (OP)
Perhaps a specially designed cruise missile payload that triggers as many mines as possible in the greatest area possible.
No idea if that is viable or not. Wonder if anyone is looking into that at the moment.

Swarming insect sized sensors combined with bird sized effectors could remove a mind field easily, but by then the minefield will also be a swarm of bird sized effectors, interceptors, and pollen sized sensors

>>63973843
>>63973904
I think that "lol airpower" is kind of the cheat answer.
Solving the problem using ground forces only is a way more interesting challenge.

>>63973875
>sacre bleau! ow dare you say we are not real partneurs!

>>63972787
Dude, the same NATO doctrine allowed to punch through iraqi minefields with ease two times, looks like if you don't try to demine them under fire they are just a nuisance.

NATO doctrine has also things like air superiority, if your artillery positions, observation posts, trench lines, communication hubs (for Russia you only need to shut down the commercial mobile network in the area as their military communications are dogshit) get blown to smitheens before even the first sapper ties their bootlaces and jump into their "prestige" vehicles, their work will be more easy.

You cannot extrapolate the ukrainian war lessons to countries trained and equipped for modern warfare, at least not all of them, Ukraine and Russia perform warfare like old people fuck, that war is a big clusterfuck of incompetence, lack of resources and lack of planning.

Are there mines that can race around or change positions randomly? I think its a fun idea. Networked mine drones that hop around and re-organize themselves when no one is looking.

>>63973843
Uk right now has exactly 24 artillery pieces in service across the entire islands

>>63973807
i could blow your computer up with a drone therefore your computer and you are obsolete and should get replaced with another FPV drone.
fucking idiot

>>63972736 (OP)
Just bomb the road, or don't use it. Otherwise recon the MSR every chance you get.

on another note, Do Russians wear boonies? I can't recall ever seeing a Russian wearing one.

>>63972736 (OP)
The army calls it the MICLIC, they attach a giant rope of plastic explosives to a rocket which can be used to clear a 25 foot by 300 foot path through anything.

>>63974200
Ok, Ivan, ok.

>>63972736 (OP)
Establish local air superiority, lay down counterbattery fire on their artillery, then send some guys to dig up the minefield.
Clearing paths through the minefields isn't the hard part, the hard part is not getting blown up while you clear the minefield by something other than a landmine.

>>63972742
If drones are blowing up unmanned robots instead of people, the robots are doing their job.

>>63972884
>is a war crime
>causes your enemies fight to the death every time
>makes everyone hate you
>makes your enemies execute your surrendering troops on sight

>>63972968
Nietzsche was, is and will always be a pussified loser burning in hell, even ignoring the bug level ethics this would work *maybe* one time and then significantly increase the strain, losses and resistance against your own forces for practically no further benefit.

>>63974425
If you are winning, these "consequences" are meaningless.

>>63974467
>Nitzse says something rite
>Only answer is to attack his persona
He didnt sell his soul out for others.
That alone gives him higher degree of soul than you could even begin to compreend.

What causes the midwit position of "if it is possible to be shot at it is useless"?

>>63974482
Neither side is winning, and neither side is capable of winning, because neither side has the capacity to conduct strategic-level offenses that could force the war to a favorable conclusion. That means that the war will likely have a negotiated settlement, which means not having to cover for a bunch of war criminals is important.

>>63972736 (OP)
>have a large population of retards
>offer them a huge signing bonus
>only pay out after 18 months
>send said retards on mine-clearing missions
>intentionally attrite them within 6 months of signing
>only have to pay a few thousand rubles in damaged clothing per mine cleared
>economically overwhelm your enemy's ability to lay mines
>???
>profit

>>63972968
I really don't care about what some dipshit Kraut thought.
>Thou shalt not murder.
Simple as.

>>63974872
Not using random civilians to clear minefields is selling your soul out for others?

>>63975087
>I really don't care about what some dipshit Kraut thought.
>I really care about what some homeless desert sheep herder with schizophrenia thought.

>>63972736 (OP)
>minefields have replaced traditional fortifications
What decade is this?

>>63974467
You couldn't understand it, we get it.

>>63975138
If you or your brothers die instead of them; Yes.

>>63975506
Yes.

>>63973816
>Even if you have drone defense
True, arty, mortars, ATGMs etc. will still pose a huge threat.

>>63975138
>>63975087
>>63975555
Pathetic

>>63972884
Thing is, historically a LOT of peoples have thought this way. They're not around any more, with one notable exception, and the exception didn't have a great time of it.

Carrying about other people is extremely gay and retarded.

>>63974425
>>is a war crime
Basedwangee would be proud
>>causes your enemies fight to the death every time
They were just going to be sent back to fight so meh
>>makes everyone hate you
Dont care about that really, sanctions didnt change a thing to russia
>>makes your enemies execute your surrendering troops on sight
Cowards getting what they get i guess.
>>63972988
Guerrilias.dont work if you put the populance in concerntration camps

>>63974482
t. this guy, 1941

>>63975659
>Guerrilias.dont work if you put the populance in concerntration camps
First of all, four misspellings in an eleven word sentence is impressive.
Second, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resistance_during_World_War_II#Europe
Third, you have to be 18 to post here

>>63975631
Didn't post WW2 that happen to a lot of germans under various occupation forces?

eh, a few single-digit KT airbursts can handle any possible minefield easy, with less than a 24 hour delay before even dismounts can move through

>>63976771
blast-resistant mines have been a thing since the 1970s. even russians have them, at least in case of anti-personnel ones.

>>63975545
The thirdie mind simply cannot comprehend a solution to a minefield other than running people through and retroactively justifies it with foreign ideals

>mines

The Pentagon HATES HIM

>>63974109
Maybe but "lol airpower" has been the nato approach for decades. It is their classic way of solving any issues.

>>63977038
>Bombs away, punk.

>>63975539
What I can’t understand is how anyone with the ability to breathe and walk at the same time can possibly think his ideals as laid out in the Zarathustra are anything more than a justification to elevate himself over the people he was regularly scorned and criticized by because he was a blubbering schizophrenic whose death was the best thing to ever happen to his career.
Denying the otherworldly promises of typical religions in order to pursue strictly worldly goals and desires to ultimately become the Übermensch or the Artist-Tyrant is nothing more than a fanciful cloak over caveman thinking of “might make right, if I’m willing to do horrible things and other people aren’t that just means I’m better than them.” The man wrote of nothing but victory and strength beyond morality and was not capable of a single meaningful achievement in his lifetime nor stepping outside the conventional morales he detested.

>>63972736 (OP)
just fly a drone with a very big strong magnet over the area

>>63977005
there's "blast resistant" and then there's BLAST resistant, and those mines are most assuredly not the latter

>>63975626
Nietzsche’s attempt to replace the supernatural god with a practical and achievable state of ascension in the physical and moral sense is not a development of any idea or system, not that he wanted it to become a system as he writes in ‘Beyond Good and Evil.’ he asks interesting questions about morality without a larger force to give it to us but fails because his idea of morality is whatever the most powerful person in the room says goes, it’s not a complicated concept at all, it’s just might makes right. Even with all the flaws of self restrictive ideologies and religions they are far more complex and robust than his ideas because they define a common morality is intrinsic to people and not something that must be taken by force.
It will fade away as the other strongman ideologies like the New Soviet Man and the Aryan Übermensch and Christianity will continue to endure because it has the capacity to justify actions that fly in the face of strict rationality while his ideas cannot justify any action beyond the rampant gaining of power to oneself
TLDR: Imitation is the greatest form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to greatness.

>>63976771
so you're saying MADM demining charges?
certified 50s move

>>63977066
air burst high above and a distance away won't give you any more overpressure than a clearing charge up close. if you're aiming for BLAST-tier overpressure airburst is not going to cut it anymore

>>63976340
At the very least the french, dutch, danes and norwegians did it.
There is a danish movie, Land of Mine, about it.

I've read some claims about them using the whole "disarmed combatant" shenanigan so it wouldn't be a violation of international law but I doubt that.
Most likely they just didn't care. Something which the daily quotas for defused mines, which leads to detonations, and the demand to walk shoulder by shoulder over every stretch of land they declare as mine free supports.

>>63972900
and what happens when the 2 mine rollers you have in an assault gets FPVd?

>>63972884
Does nothing against AT mines.

>>63972736 (OP)
With human wave attacks

>>63977691
In what way is your webm "human wave"?

>Look up Deepstate
>Russia is still, albeit very slowly, advancing

Is Ukraine lacking mines or something? I havn't really heard any news about the frontline in weeks.

>>63977691
>Night vision in the middlr of the day
Is this AI.

Why exactly were landmines banned anywhere? They don't seem any more or less cruel than what they were already using.

>>63977505
Have the Fat people walk.over AT mine.

>>63979990
Yes anon it is AI.
>>63977691
Shalom

>>63980004
Its like Drones, it takes away the sportmanship from war.

>>63980027
Sounds good to me. And is there a better defensive tool? If you don't want to get detonated, don't go to their country and step on their land.

>>63974395
>pinzgauer
They had a fire engine one of these where I used to live, it was hardcore

Literally nothing else matters in modern warfare but obtaining air superiority. This isn't exactly news.

>>63979990
They have it out of the way retard.

>>63972884
>Foreign population now even more unlikely to cooperate, sudden influx of militia
>Videos and photos of your atrocities go around the world
>Unrests in your own country starts, demonstrations, your political oponents are using it ruthlessly against you
>Sanctions start, other countries condemn you
>Enemy is now provided with more support
>Your soldiers morale is at an all time low, insubordination, orders ignored and open hostility to your military command
>Widespread calls for your resignation
>Your own party, your advisors, your generals, your ministers all firmly make sure you understand this isn't an optional request
>Be lucky and get disappeared or stand trial for your actions
>Get raped by tyrone in prison

>>63972787
Holy shit the cope.

Ukranians got caught up in Russian defenses during the offensive because they ignored NATO advise and divided their forces between Bakmut and the offensive so they lacked the mass to push through the lines. Yes you're going to take casualties, fucking obviously its a war.
>Muh drones
Not the issue you think it is. Emit and die.

>>63977158
What happens if the fpv operators get killed before they launch their fpvs? What happens if they never leave their dugout because their command and control has been taped into the ground?

Ukraines inability to wage full spectrum warfare does not mean we can't.

>>63981948
>Muh international backlash.
NTA but i’d bet greatest ally could use psycho anons advice for clearing minefields, today, and literally nothing would happen to them.
It’s not true for every country, but you can still get away with murder. If you have the right blackmail i guess.

>>63975087
>Thou shalt not /k/ill
I think you’re in the wrong board bro. lol

>>63981955
who is we? usa? yeah maybe, lithuania, moldavia, slovakia? absolutely not.

mine warfare might scare infantry and armored units, but so do artillery, airstrikes. mine warfare is just a different military discipline.

There are a few ways you normally deal with a minefield, the most obvious being to just drive around it, if you see where the enemy laid mines, just go a different way, blow up their minefield with artillery, clear a corridor with blasting charges/bangelores. you can try to find them with detectors, if you don't suspect the minefield is very deep. there are special engineering vehicles of several kinds to remove mines,everything from rollers to ploughs. Some types of mines can just be ploughed up or bulldozed to one side, you won't set them off unless you drive over them.

Often minefields are mixed, often anti tank with a few AP mines thrown in just to frustrate engineers, or laid behind barbed wire to discourage breakthroughs. Engineers require a lot of protection, so the cost of laying a minefield can be fairly high, so ultimately you may just accept losses crossing one.

>>63972787
I'm sure that proximity fused shells made aircraft obsolete too, anon.

>>63972884
They did this in the US Civil War and it unironically caused the Confederates to stop using them. Not applicable in the modern day, though.

>>63972736 (OP)
>Establish air dominance
>Bomb-rape the enemy front- and rear lines
>Send in engineers to clear up mines
>Keep a couple jets around to CTRL+ALT+DELETE any artillery that dare show itself by firing on said engineers

>>63983208
What minefields existed during the middle of the 19th century?

>>63972736 (OP)
>how the fuck do you counter them?
Don't be a sorry ass ground bound dust eater that can't into areal superiority. As soon as you delete the positions covering mines EOD can do their job.

>>63974425
>causes your enemies fight to the death every time
well you have been conditioned by Jesuit Nigger fake wars
A true and just war IS fought to the death

>>63972736 (OP)
We can very easily create claymore type weapon that are triggered from enough movement after a certain time on the target area.

>>63984252
turns out that 100% supremacy doesn't happen once you're playing against an opfor that is not 10 got herders in a hut.

>>63984476
If that were true, Putin would've deployed at least a tactical nuke demonstration on the Gulf of Finland. Why is he not doing it? Are the Soviet/Russia devices simply non-operable?

>Planes
How are they gonna stop rocket artillery?

>>63984576
what are you even referring to?

>>63984670
by bombing the rocket launchers

>>63972736 (OP)
You legally give the land to someone else, therefore turning it into a theirfield which then disables all of the mines and lets you cross safely.

>>63972736 (OP)
Flying bombs that go over the fortifications and minefields and destroy the things they're defending. Way better than bombs stuck in the ground.

>>63982406
>NTA but i’d bet greatest ally could use psycho anons advice for clearing minefields, today, and literally nothing would happen to them.
Support for Israel in the west has been plummeting since they started massacring tens of thousands of civilians in Gaza. They still have a tight grip on the American government, but the general population hates them now.

>>63976995
>Gaullist France.png

>>63972740
Is this Australian? I'm just guessing by how the plants look

>>63977158
>implying your chinese FPV with an RPG warehead zip tied to it is any threat at all to a first world MBT with demining equipment and first world logistics behind it.

Just because a military commanded by a monkey and populated by alcoholic retards and a military commanded by an actor who is a tribesman and populated by yet more alcoholic retards can't manage things doesn't mean they can't be done. Ukraine and Russia are retarded corrupt countries garbage countries, take how corrupt and retarded the US government is, and subtract 20iq and triple the amount of corruption. Neither have well maintained equipment and it wasn't the best to begin with. Small FPVs drones a non-threat and long range semi-autonomous drones are just worse cruise missiles to a more competent military than the tapped out Ziggers and pUkes.

>>63984153
Think the Franco-Pussian War introduced them and the Civil War experimented with them more before they were perfected in WWI.

>>63981948
Russia showed how meaningless the international response actually is in harming a warcrime-happy country

Human wave tactics would work well if you have the population to support it

>>63972736 (OP)
Minefields ARE traditional fortifications. Thing is when most people think mines they think WWII or some scam donation ads for emaciated African kids missing limbs because room temp IQ African warlords don't clean up after themselves. There's a reason for that. They just haven't been effectively used much in major conflicts since WWII until now. Instead of mines what most of us think of is IEDs which kind up fill the same role but on a smaller scale and with a different role.

If you're the USA you bomb the piss out of everything in the area then dismantle it at your leisure because the guns meant to make it a killzone as your movements are slowed to a crawl are craters. This can still fail even with the US's overwhelming ability btw.
If you're not the US initiate counter-battery as best as you can, try to establish at least temporary air superiority, and launch a spearhead of mine sweeping vehicles, typically followed by armor and infantry. You're gonna take casualties. As the Russians and Ukrainians have repeatedly shown it's really damn hard. Combined with other fortifications like concertina or AT trenches the manpower and materiel costs can be utterly insane.
Minefields aren't meant to kill your column directly, they're meant to slow it down inside the field. You're now forced to go slow or risk blowing up from the mines in a location where nearby artillery that likely has the entire thing in it's range tables. That's what kills you, artillery. In a proper minefield you're between a cock and a hard place. Either way you're getting fucked.

Who is actually claiming that minefields have replaced "traditional fortifications"? We have seen everyone, including Russia, just using minefields to complement other defensive structures like trenches. Another thing worth mentioning is that the minefields that Russia laid down in anticipation of the Ukrainian counteroffensive in Zapo had absolutely massive amounts of time and Russia did so while not getting harassed in the least. If you gave any force a year to lay down the biggest minefields they could muster even a country like Belgium could make something nearly impervious to all purely mechanized assaults.

>>63975659
You are welcome to lead the next charge faggot.

>>63972968
That's not even what nietzche was talking about. Hell the man died shortly after begging another man to stop beating a horse.

>>63973725
Anon you know we've had a
APS systems for US armour for the past 20 years right?

>>63974482
If you are winning, you don' need to use this tactic in the first place.

>>63980004
Because dealing with them after the conflict is a bitch and a half.

>>63984576
*cough* D-Day *cough*

>>63986989
There's about a million dead or crippled Russians who might disagree.

>>63984795
FPBP

>>63977691
lmao the mini gun operator on the hummer or whatever.

>>63974313
>>63983215
Came here to post these

>>63972736 (OP)
Drones with magnets. Fly low, inches over ground. Tink, boom. Cheap.

>>63972736 (OP)
according to some german / austrian sapper, the only thing that actually works is a mine-clearing line charge (MCLC), basically a massive strip of explosive that gets thrown across a minefield to blow a safe path through it.
unfortunately, it's also an excellent target for fpv drones.
>>63972740
this robot is only capable of detecting mines. for actually clearing a minefield, it's not very useful.
https://defense.info/defense-systems/ugvs-and-mine-clearing-in-the-adf/

Obstacles funnel friendly forces too. Designed gaps for patrol make great places for an ambush.