Is there anything better as a "boom stick" than a shotgun with slugs? I was thinking of getting a 45-70 but now I'm thinking I can do bigger and better. I just don't know what's worth getting under a $1400 price tag.

just get a $200 maverick 88 and call it good
you won't even feel bad dinging it up and using it like a whore

>>63976326 (OP)
There's like 5 shotgun threads up right now, couldn't you use one of those?

>>63976333
The dinged up maverick 88 in op pic wasn't good enough?

>>63976326 (OP)
Everyone should own at least one shotgun. Minimum is a Maverick 88. 590(S), SuperNova? Even a KSG(7)
You could get a 940 for that price, but you aren't swinging a 1301. You get get an A300 Patrol. You aren't getting an M3 or M4.

>>63976326 (OP)
the only people who think slugs are good are people who dont actually shoot.

i want extremely low capacity, high recoil and long reloads cause its a slug.(sarcasm) i need the accuracy of a slug i cant use 00 buck like a normal person.
oh yeah i want to spend 1 dollar or more to shoot an inaccurate bullet thats only practical out to 100 yards max.
i dont want to spend half that on 5.56 thats easily good out to 300. a 100 yard shot with an ar is a joke.
you are going to buy a slug gun shoot like 50 slugs max most likely 1-3 boxes then swap over to not slugs and never buy slugs again.

>>63976337
He's asking about alternatives to shotguns learn to read faggot

>>63976326 (OP)
just get something in 30-06.

>>63976383
Let me see you go waterfowl hunting and then defend yourself from a moose or bear with an AR.

>>63976400
yeah all that waterfowl hunting done with slugs.
the argument isnt that shotguns are useless. its that slugs are. unless its one of those a slug is the only thing you can use for hunting restrictions in x state then it has a purpose.

>>63976383
You misread op post.

OP just get a 450 bushmaster ar kit and send it. The recoil is tolerable and its flatter shooting/more accurate than 45-70.

>>63976326 (OP)
>$1,400
Find a ruger m77 in a thumper caliber.

>>63976359
>Everyone should own at least one shotgun
Why?

>>63976326 (OP)
>Is there anything better as a "boom stick" than a shotgun with slugs?
No. Only zoomer faggots and other sad excuses for men that cannot run a pump will try to claim otherwise.

>>63976460
Shoulder a 458 lott and come back.

>>63976450
If you have to ask, you should lurk. Or you are urban, in which case fuck you and I hope you die painfully.

>>63976479
I'm not downing honk niggers with that though. I'm never going to Africa. I jerk off to women I have fucked or am working on fucking. Not some fat rhino bantu bitch I will never meet.

>>63976484
even if urban I think the shotgun is a great pic
>short engagement ranges still possible
>can "breech" obstacles or remove pieces of them
>people in armour will still get blasted by either shot or slug
hunting I prefer a .22 but for defending myself from bears and bees shotgun

>>63976326 (OP)
Part of the benefit of shotgun is their versatility. If you don't want to use foster/deer slugs, upgrade to the big brenneke slugs. I think the magnum crush is on par with some african game rifles in terms of energy, diameter (way thicker), and penetration. It's a lot of mass moving very fast.

>>63976409
>Have a thing
>No, I shouldn't use this other affordable and widely available thing that makes this thing more capable

>>63976537
this is the kinda shit people who have never shot a slug spout. how if it was them they would totally use slugs constantly.
then they try it and stop.
nobody actually shoots slugs regularly. you think its a workable concept but no. nobody is putting 1k slugs through a shotgun. hell id be surprised if somebody made it a 250 case.
its oh i need it for bear and 10 years later its still those 5 boxes they bought - 1-2 when they first tried it.
o yeah i want that 3.5 mag shotgun with slugs to use it for the zombie apocalypse.
hahaha

>>63976337
I'm not OP and I think
>muh slugs
is kind of dumb unless you need burr protection for some reason or live in a shotgun only hunting state, but this is a personal gun ownership thread and therefore it's based and should be posted.
>oh no he killed a no gunz ukraine thread
good

>>63976359
>Everyone should own at least one shotgun.
I own a mossberg 500 and no, not everyone should own a shotgun. you should only buy a shotgun if you have access to a place to shoot clays or if you hunt. shooting static paper with shotguns is meh

>>63976383
this, but also some states have gay hunting laws and slugs can kill a durr out father than buckshot can and if you are camping where there are burrs, but other than durr hunting in a handful of states and some weird burr scenario, you are right

>>63976484
Nah, fuck off with that lurk moar bullshit. I've probably been here longer than you.

I just don't get this 'you need to buy a X gun just to tick off owning that category'. Shotguns are fine guns and a versatile choice if you want a single gun to handle HD, hunting and fun, but if you're not hunting birds or shooting skeet then there's no reason to buy a shotgun just for the sake of having a shotgun in your collection (I.e. sitting in your safe gathering dust).

>>63976326 (OP)
Something like a Ruger Hawkeye in 416 Ruger will beat the booty cheeks out of a slug gun in all situations.

>>63976326 (OP)
>under $1400
https://www.norcalgunvault.com/products/rifles-zastava-arms-l7458-669185296112-6026

>>63976566
>nobody is putting 1k slugs through a shotgun. hell id be surprised if somebody made it a 250 case.
I absolutely have, to the point that the only way I could get the lead build-up out of the barrel of my shitty Maverick 88 was with the brush + cleaning rod attached to a drill. Not everyone is a limp-dicked faggot like you.

>>63976827
if you can afford 1k slugs you can afford a better gun.
if you actually like shotgun cause shotgun and dont want a better gun you are shooting birdshot at clays/trap not slugs. cause clays are fun as fuck.

>>63976970
I do both but I've personally put at least 400-500 slugs through my maverick 88, not him btw. I also only buy federal 1oz power shok for my slugs, and have extensive practice with them.

>>63976607
>ur complaining about a redundant thread? WELL HOW ABOUT UKRAINE??? ?
anon the ukraine war is YEARS old now. there are like two threads that are only tangentially related to ukraine. do you even think when you post or do you just barf out slogans?

>>63976484
>if you disagree with me it means you are [thing that disqualifies you from having an opinion]

shotgun stans on /k/ are actually worse than noguns because you think owning a 200 dollar shotgun you never actually use makes your opinion more valid.

ALL you do is invent made-up scenarios where shotguns are superior.

>>63976621
But shooting static paper with ar15 is better? This is why I shoot in the desert.
>>63977998
>never actually use
My $200 shotgun is my most fired firearm in my collection, they are infinitely more fun for steel, melons, cans, and clays than any other gun. This is all opinion of course, I just don't find shooting my 92fs or ar at steel from an arbitrary distance as fun as blasting shit with a shotgun.

Also, I don't need to make up scenarios where a shotgun is superior (to what?) because a versatile smoothbore shotgun can fill a tick a lot of boxes. Home defense being one of them. After that it's all fluff, because a shotgun will kill an unarmored Jamal just as well as your AR will, and regardless of what courts or cops or juries think, Jamal will be just as dead and your family will be just as safe.

>>63978088
>because a shotgun will kill an unarmored Jamal just as well as your AR will

unless you miss the first shot.

>>63978093
In both ar and shotgun scenarios you'd either shoot again or he'd flee.

>>63978149
my AR is semi full auto, the following shot is a quarter second away.

>>63976326 (OP)
qrd on thoes tires

>>63978179
looks like OP is moving in and thats the shitty hand truck they left in the rental van

>>63976400
I would rather waterfowl hunt with an AR than with slugs in my goose gun. I would happily take an AR against bears. People drop elk with a single 77gr TMK. 30 of them will make Yogi’s day really bad.

Plus all you have to do is hit a bear with some bullet and they’ll fuck off and/or die. https://www.ammoland.com/2024/05/bear-defense-with-handguns-update-20-more-cases-98-effective/#

>>63976519
>I think the magnum crush
Good luck finding them lol

I don’t want to shit on shotguns too much. They are very practical in the right context with the right load. But their capabilities get exaggerated.
>is on par with some african game rifles in terms of energy
The magnum crush is 3700 ft lbs. Which is a lot, but that’s basically a .300 win mag with a 200gr bullet. Also powerful and can kill anything on land, but not .4xx caliber powerful. Even a .375 H&H which is considered an “entry level” African big game caliber is 4700 ft lbs of energy.
>diameter (way thicker), and penetration.
They are way thicker but that limits penetration. That may or may not be good depending on the application. I’m not going to say they won’t penetrate enough, especially on anything in North America, but rifle bullets penetrate deeper. Sectional density is huge for penetration, along with bullet construction/toughness, and slugs don’t have those.
>It's a lot of mass moving very fast.
Agreed and they’ll kill any animal. But you can easily exceed the power, penetration, and range with not uncommon rifles like a .338 win mag. Sometimes the extra diameter is better for stopping charges, but again, its context dependent.

>>63978347
>3700 ft lbs
I was basically comparing Taylor ko potential which takes in weight, velocity, and diameter.

>>63978347
Also my main point is that shotguns can go from baby recoil birdshot to top end slugs and everything in-between. 375 h&h is usually loaded to 4100-4300 ftlbs. Magnum crush and similar slugs are the equivalent of 300 win mag in energy, which is nothing to sneeze at, but have much larger diameter. In north america that basically means you can buy a pack of slugs instead of a brand new gun if you decide to visit big game areas.

Realistically a 9mm will defend against moose and bears, I really don't care much for animal defense larp. I'm more interested in humane kills on hunted game, and a 12 gauge with the right load can humanely take anything within 75 yards.

If you like big booms and recoil for fun then a 12ga is probably best in terms of boom per $$$. Maverick 88 is perfectly serviceable and will eat hard-recoiling loads all day long. People like to talk about the larger slug loads but honestly something like picrel will rock your shoulder harder.

There are some other pretty good contenders though. Modern commercial dangerous game rifles have little collector value, and like big magnum handguns a lot of people buy them, shoot half a box of ammo, NOPE out because of the recoil, and you can buy the gun used at a discount often with that half box of ammo thrown in. It's not hard to find a deal on a Rem 700 in .458 Win Mag. If you're a bit more patient you might score a deal on a .460 Weatherby.

Lightweight magnum hunting rifles have infamously high recoil but they don't really have the big boom so nobody shoots those for fun.

>>63977989
there are at least 70 no gunz ukraine threads, count the drones too. redundant threads will only be an issue when there are zero no gunz threads on the board

>>63978088
>But shooting static paper with ar15 is better?
unironically yes, target shooting with an AR is better than trying to target shoot with a shotgun

>>63978088
>shotguns are better because I mag dump into garbage
lmao

>>63976359
>You aren't getting an M3 or M4
Says you

>>63976337
Nu-fags don't know how to use the search bar use do an Ctrl F (search). Your just gonna have to tolerate his retardation.
>I was thinking of getting a 45-70
Get a Winchester/Miroku lever action or Marlin since Ruger dragged them out of the grave. As for 12 gauges just do what everyone else is recommending.

>>63976450
Cheap and fun
>but it's hard to shoot
Maybe if you have glass skin and paper bones, 12 ga buck and especially target loads are super easy to shoot. Plus clays are objectively the best, fuck static paper

>>63979554
>Your just gonna have to tolerate his retardation
You're* going to have to read OP post again, because he's not asking about the best shotgun and this really isn't a shotgun thread.

>>63979530
>ars are better because I shoot a piece of paper indoors
Lol
Lmao

>>63979736
>You're* going to have to read OP post again
Nah, sounds gay bro. But feel free to do that reading thing if you so please.

>>63979741
>>63979741
outdoors, shoot shotguns at 300 yards

>>63979874
>ars are better because I mag dump into garbage
We've come fill circle

>>63979874
Shoot a clay or a bird with an AR

>>63979554
people like you don't understand how 4chan was intended to be used

>>63979254
Fair enough. I’m familiar with Taylor KO but usually “energy” means muzzle energy which is why I went there

>>63979297
>Also my main point is that shotguns can go from baby recoil birdshot to top end slugs and everything in-between.
Agreed which is why I started with
>They are very practical in the right context with the right load.
I’m agreeing with you and I think we have a similar mindset. I just dislike when shotguns get exaggerated. I swear even shotgun or armor thread there’s a
>hurr durr my slugs will break ribs through level IV plates
I know this is 4chan where if we don’t completely agree 100% we need to argue like catty women, but I’m with you 98% of the way.

>>63976326 (OP)
>Not an 11.5 PSA AR
>Not a gen 3 g19
Newfags should kys desu

>>63976326 (OP)
>wants a meme gun
Mav88 with black magic slugs, done.
>>63980769
>söybooru

>>63980098
>not putting the bare fucking minimum into checking the catalog to avoid making near duplicate threads is how m00t (the founder of 9Gag PBUM) intended (You) to use 4channel
Sounds like a real faggot an lazy too and by extension that makes (You) a faggot as well.

>>63981772
There were no duplicate threads about alternatives to shotguns for the purpose of boom sticks.

>>63976339
>RETARD ALERT

>>63981772
duplicate threads are fine on a board that's 90% no gunz ukraine shit spam

>>63984165
I have wondered if having only antique guns count as no gunz, since their not legally firearms

>t. Californian

>>63984190
*they're

keep making that mistake today

>>63984190
Depends if you actually shoot them inna desert or if they're just glorified wall hangers.
>>t. Californian
Grim, look on the bright side though. At least your not a Masshole or Jewseyian. Also why not at the very least get a fuddy five 1911 and some cheapo Ruger Ranch or Tikka bolt action in tree-ol-hate?

>>63984902
I have brought it out into the desert on a handful of occasions, but the main place where I would get powder/caps/ball from closed.

I have been looking to get a musket soon however, just as the founding fathers intended.

*PS, shooting the derringer with nods on was bright as shit

>>63984916
>*PS, shooting the derringer with nods on was bright as shit
Sounds like a potential LEGENDARY TALE and needs to be shared here anon.

>>63984994
The tale of the 1862 flashbang:
>Be me
>innadesert
>nighttime
>Finishing pound of powder I have had for way too long
>measure what was left
>Don't remember exact amount, but if I shot them separately it would be pretty underpowered
>decide to load it up into 1 shot
>pour powder down
>ram ball down
>ball maybe has 1 inch of actual barrel
>before I set the cap on the nipple I turn off my flashlight and lower down my soviet nods
>put the cap on nipple
>hammer to full cock
>take aim
>fireball at least a foot wide emerges from barrel
>left tube goes completely white (yes I am left handed)
>on the right tube I can almost see the fireball extending another foot forward
>throw gun down, and turn on flashlight thinking it exploded
>look at my hand and count fingers
>they're all still there
>point flashlight to derringer that is now in the sand
>intact, minus the side of the wood having cracked
>small smokescreen down range
>left tube is extremely dim
>call it a night and go in tent

Took this photo once I got home. The left tube is to this day much dimmer than my right

>>63980090
shoot a nigger with any gun

>>63984902
jewjersey is less gay than commifornia. I have ARs with pistol grips

>>63986291
You're the three J's

Jewish
Jersey
Ginger

>>63985081
Kino, thx lad.

>>63986348
closer shot of the cracked wood if you might be interested