Thread 63977402

Is there any merit to "human meatwave" attacks?: https://x.com/Remnantize/status/1944129273323041252

The fuck is "human meatwave" about this? Infantry existing on a battlefield?
Are zigger shills really trying to cope that this is the same as unsupported infantry assaults against fortifications in whatever civilian vehicles they could get hold of?

>>63977472
Dudes running across an open field without any cover is a meatwave in the modern battlefield.

>>63977547
They have cover, there's air assets and Humvees with miniguns coving them. Plus they were just dropped off by the chinook, hence why its taking off at the start of the clip; you can still see the dust cloud on the road from where it was; so they didn't walk far.

>>63977565
How are the air assets supposed to protect them from FPV drones?

>>63977582
>yeah they're in that building
>BRRRRRRRRRT
>drone operator is dead

>>63977582
oh no I am demoralized. Continue crossing the Ukrainian fields in a single column, 3 more days to Kyiv!

>>63977402 (OP)
It definitely works. I've waved my human meat at many people and so far all of them have run away.

>>63977607
>*Chopper gets hit by FPV drone (operated by a drone operator 5-10km away) while hovering at low speed to allow the door gunners to shoot*

>>63977402 (OP)
>>63977582
>zigger projection thread

>>63977642
Do you really think a small fpv drone is going to be able to fly in a helicopter's rotor wash you fucking retard?

>>63977648
>Do you really think a small fpv drone is going to be able to fly in a helicopter's rotor wash you fucking retard?
Yes and they've already shot down attack choppers in Ukraine: https://x.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1923405222778380596?
https://x.com/Archer83Able/status/1856392327025308055?

>>63977642
>DRONES BEAT EVERYTHING!!!!!
why the fuck would you be worried about one of those when these exist

>>63977697
Because RPGs require their users to expose themselves and they can barely hit anything beyond 500m. FPV drones literally are controlled remotely by drone operators from 5-10km away and they have the accuracy fly them into hatches of MBTs, on top of being able to provide ISR to the drone operator and their units. Some even have thermal cameras so they can hunt at night.
That's the main difference between them.

>>63977582
Jamming you fucking stupid third world ape, this shit is literal ISIS poor fag tactics from a decade ago, and it didn't work then
Fucking stupid newfag cunt

>>63977760
>Never heard of fiber optics drones
So you've been living under a rock all these 3 years of the Russo-Ukranian war?

Can't the miniguns counter the drones?

We should disband the military. Drones are unstoppable. There is simply no counter to this wunderwaffe.

>>63977775
Easily tracible back to the user
Lmao shut the fuck up thirdie, just because the last three years are all that exist in your knowledge of military affairs doesn't mean you understand what the US has already dealt with and learned to counteract

>>63977796
No that's against the rules.

>>63977806
I'm genuinely curious. I don't have a stake in this.
I say that because there are a lot of debates on how to counter drones at the infantry lvl (apparently shotguns are a meme).
Also since it's the US army, they most probably did their homework on the biggest land base conflict of the 21th century so far so they must have taken this into account.

>>63977402 (OP)
>they had to run 50m from the chopper to the building
>meatwave
I don't think you know what meatwave means.

>>63977796
>>63977821
>>63977806
The US answer to drones is just shooting at them: https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/1943876049802064248?

>>63977821
Could be a decent option in the short term but you are going to need a decent anti-air lead sight instead of the "just look at the tracers" or shitty reddot they have been used with.

meat waves exhaust the enemy munitions and when they're out, you win.

>>63977582
those big spinning rotors blow the drones away

:)

>yeah uhhh what if an FPV drone just manifests in your position
Are dronefags capable of thought?

>we’ll just drone str- ACCKKKKKKKKKKKKK
Boots don’t hit the ground until your country is already a burning pile of rubble. Dumbass turdies.

>>63977859
Dronefags think drones fill the sky everywhere all the time, they don't have range limits, time of flight or control points.
When they talk about drones replacing arty I think they really believe that 1 drone crew can have a stockpile of 50 huge drones and fly them all at once without anyone noticing.

>>63977842
Defenders have the ammo, you do not.
Someone in the sixties had a Vickers gun and an assload of ammo to dispose of. They ran the gun continuously for a week.
How much ammo can you carry.

>>63977879
Ukraine literally has replaced their artillery in some units with drones and have been repelling Russian entire mechanised assaults with them alone. Are they lying?

>>63977547
If the Russians start SEADing and doing big dick moves like hovering Mis over Russian regular infantry I wouldn't call that a meat wave, I'd call that mopping up.

>>63977881
if that were true meat waves wouldn't work, but they do. ukraine is begging for ammunition and russia is getting unlimited supplies of jeets, norks and africans.

>throw 20 FPVs to do something a single 155mm shell would do
>but they're cheap :^)
OK that's all well and good if you're a poor shithole, but if you're not then budget poorfag shit when you have the money to take the better routes is fucking stupid and will get men killed for nothing

>>63977879
Enough to prevent mechanised assaults from happening. See the amount of Russian MBT, IFV losses to Ukrainian drones.

>>63977775
>Putting out a massive "I am a drone operator please rape my ass with 5m CEP ordnance" sign to a technologically advanced military
Go back to burying artillery shells in the sand Ahmed.

>>63977648
They are remarkably good in monitoring extreme weather such as tornado.

>>63977642
>drone operator smiles devilishly, having just taken out an overpriced globohomo chopper that was probably made by gays and troons
>suddenly, his smile vanishes as the smoke clears
>a shot-up wooden pallet falls from the sky where the chopper used to be
>"replaced at the last second? impossible"
>drone operator looks outside
>chopper is outside charging up a hellfire missile
your move?

>>63977747
So do Drones worth a damn retard. You're not flying a DJI into a US military position, you're going to need to use a fiber optic cable that essentially tells them where to drop their accurate munitions on. Unlike Russia, the US can demolish a specific house to the foundation at will.

>>63977881
Being the guy told you are going to run a machinegun full cyclic all day sounds fun at first but I bet it turns into hell on earth after 20 minutes.
All the smoke, heat, vibration and noise would just drain your will to live.

>>63977887
They are running out of tubes and shells, they keep begging for more tubes and shells.
The question isn't is a Baba Yaga better than nothing, it's if it's better than arty.

>>63977901
Yeah they are great for that, basically BVR ATGMs that can also recon which is huge for anti-tank work.

>>63977402 (OP)
>wearing NVGs in broad daylight

>>63977901
I mostly see already abandoned vehicles taking multiple drones to finish it off, with no indication of how the vehicle was disabled prior to the recording
When I see a javelin, or salvo of 155mm hit an clearly active T-90 and it immediately sends the crew into space I know what I rate more
Anyway why the fuck would you throw shitty quadcopters everywhere when you are capable of massive JDAM launching drones and loitering missiles, both of which have vastly greater capabilities
The quadcopter shit needs to die

>>63977915
Do you think they go home to get them before they enter a dark building?

>Soviet shit gets one shot by an RPG and the Russians are sending in old shit one at a time
>NATO shit needs 3-5 RPG heads to fully disable, the US sends in vehicles with force
You'd need like a platoon of drone operators to even dent a US armored unit and they're all basically dead the moment the US achieves air superiority.

>>63977923
So Ukrainians have been lying, got It

>>63977951
You're making serious errors in judgement, don't quit your day job.

>>63977945
Turtle tanks now take 60 RPGs to kill: https://x.com/wartranslated/status/1943580522485100814?

>>63977926

Nigga they're wearing the goggles DOWN, as in blinding themselves running to the target building

If they were wearing the goggles up like you normally would during daylight (which is the entire point of the helmet mount), I'd understand.

>>63977951
I never said that though?
Go and watch most of the FPV kills, it's either blind as fuck turtle tank dogshit, or some clearly abandoned tank with hatches open, often taking multiple hits to kill too
They're quite clearly showing what is happening, why do you making claims that they aren't?

>>63977951
NTA but think about this for a second.
Ukraine and Russia are the two most experiance drone opperators on earth.
Both are pouring huge amounts of money into drones/
Both still have guys throwing AT mine satchel charges into buildings instead of using drones to take them out.

Drones are great for anti-armour and anti-infantry, they lack the payload to take out buildings and arty have been used to level cities time and time again.

>>63977969
Further making cheap drones irrelevant. Future is gonna be drones dropping precision ordnance capable of popping even these shitheaps.

>>63977985
Maybe something like this?
The future indeed

>>63977974
>Nigga they're wearing the goggles DOWN, as in blinding themselves running to the target building
No they aren't, they're hinging them sideways. The arm is down, but the tubes are above eye level. This is common practice.

>>63977996
A cheaper, more efficient Reaper yes.

>Is there any merit to "human meatwave" attacks?

Depopulation of undesirables

Case in point: Look at the "flowers of youth" being sent to Ukraine

>>63977402 (OP)
Looks like a training area

>>63978008
If your country needs to get rid of surplus population in the 21st century you're in a failed nation.

>>63978049
>Training to launch human wave attacks
Grim

i cant really get a good grasp on the theme of this new script, are human waves good or not?

>>63978145
reverse cargo cult, human waves are bad but everyone does it, the west just pretends they don't while trad and based nations do it proudly

>>63977901
Russians have very few AD and EW assets remaining, and what they do have is ancient Soviet shit that was bad even back when it was good. Radio controlled drones wouldn't work against the US, and while wired drones could operate in the area, they're much more expensive and logistically demanding, and AD will handle the majority of them.

>>63978008

Good way of subtly getting rid of potential political rivals too. A lot of the more whacky subfactions of the Spanish Nationalist cause during their civil war like the Falangists (dye-in-the-wool Fascists) and Carlists (supporters of the old monarchy) were overrepresented in the frontline infantry (and thus sustained disproportionate losses). One can only suspect Franco may have been discreetly trying to kill two birds with one stone.

>>63978084
Implying liberals in America wouldn't be good cannon fodders

>>63978217
dumbass goy

>>63978217
>lets send all the educated into the meat grinder
Retarded and Pol Pot pilled.

>>63978285
We'll be fine actually.

>>63977887
This is not their preference but rather an economical solution to their limited ammo, tubes, and ability to field them in zones not under active fire

>>63977582
oh you're retarded, that makes sense.
they use EW for that, brownie.

>>63978084
Nah, I think there's several nations that could lose a couple hundred thousand or million men and cause a population dip

>>63977775
>the US suddenly won't have an airforce and helicopters looking for drone crews
lol
>B-BUT IN UKRAINE
in ukraine both sides have bad airforces and good air defense, and large amounts of artillery, that's why they can create a secondary line of drone crews.
do this against a western country and they're going to break through your weak line that you're counting on to be reinforced by drones, disrupting dronenigger operations with airstrikes and EW, and then hunting and killing all the droneniggers after they've broken through.

>>63977402 (OP)
D day was the largest human wave attack in history

>>63978438
Omaha Beach kind of was, the rest went a lot better.

>>63977887
>ukraine
yes, good boy, UKRAINE has, you're SO close to getting it.

>>63978434
>good air defence
I mean relatively, neither side conducted or rather was capable of conducting any attempt at SEAD/DEAD
How the russians could look at the gulf and think they'd get away without conducting a major campaign is a major indication of their stupidity from day 1

>>63978457
yeah, that was pretty much my point.
either of these AA systems would get buckbroken by a country with good SEAD capability and training.
and then there's no more AA cover to stop attack helicopters from absolutely raping your backlines and murdering every group of huddled droneniggers.

>>63977678
The drone clearly didn't hit the chopper in your mp4.

>>63978285
>lets send all the educated into the meat grinder
implying libtards are educated in STEM
not implying that libtards are actually educated in polysci, womens studies and african history.

>>63977804
By the time you find the start point the operator will be gone.

>>63977871
Worked for Vietnam and Afghanistan. Oh wait, it didn't.

>>63977402 (OP)
>Vid
That is not a human meatwave attack. It's supported by air and ground assets. It's more likely a surprise attack with helicopters dropping in infantry to raid a position in the enemy's rear.

>>63977547
Having a helicopter drop you off 50m from a building is apparently running across an open field.

>>63977402 (OP)
>another ACTUALLY IT WOULD HAPPEN TO AMERICA TOO

>>63979970
If the operator leaves he can't operate the drone retard.

>>63980628
See. >63977881

>>63980664
I'm not manually looking for that post
>>63977881

>>63980670
wow all that and the argument doesn't even make sense

>>63980452
This. I know this is an spam thread from Big Drone, but if you're not a bot or jeet or zigger this is actually what is happening. It's all helo-droppable shit, they're practicing a surprise AIR ASSAULT thing. There's no reason not to cross open terrain if you surprised the enemy by dropping off of a Chinook 100m away. The rest of it is held and inf maneuvers with light vehicles buzzing around.

>>63980632
Enough video games for you kiddo

Hohols hanging themselves ITT
>"It's not a meatwave when WE do it!!!"

>>63977582
>JDAM(-ER) to the operator's position (detected by ISR and ELINT)

>>63979978
It kinda did though.

>>63980887
what an absolutely bizarre coping method when at this very moment, another zigger meatwave is likely meeting its unscrupulous end

>>63977890
Russians don't have a SEAD doctrine.

>>63977899
Yes, I'm sure that losing 10000 Russians an casualties for every 10km of ground gained is an excellent long term strategy that will absolutely not deplete their trained personnel reserves at all, which has already happened btw.

>>63977974
>Nigga they're wearing the goggles DOWN, as in blinding themselves running to the target building
Yeah bro, they're all fucking blind and Jesus and guiding their vehicles towards the objective. Holy fucking Christ you absolute mongol.

>>63981050
Current Afghanistan status?

>>63977582
>muh FPV drones
You're a retard if you think FPV drones are a new threat. The only thing notable about them is that they're cheap and easy. First world countries have to plan for operations against an enemy so rich and well equipped that "cheap and easy" is the least of their worries.
>muh fpv drones
>muh fpv drones
retard.

>>63981122
casualties only matter if you have less men than the enemy. there are plenty of men willing to fight for russia.

>>63977775
>Never heard of ELINT
Retard, first world EW nerds are so autistic and well equipped that they can find the EM emissions from your faggy little controller even when you're not transmitting anything on radio.
You'd have a fire mission hammering your ass into a pulpy mess before you had time to say blyaat

>>63981106
they only have DEAD doctrine, but they don't know what it stands for so they just make all their troops dead and assume it's the same.

>>63981082
Don't you have somewhere to be, Mykola? Is this how you avoid the draft?

>>63981382
what are you even trying to say you braindead zigger? the OP post is about americans and then you suddenly pivot to ukrainians?

>>63981453
I was referring to the amount of Eglin AFB occupants and Ukrainian draft-dodgers seething in the thread about Russian tactics. They're only mad they'll never get Bakhmut, Avdeevka, Azovstal, Mariupol, or any other city back, counter-offensyiv be damned.

>>63981506
>seething in the thread about Russian tactics. They're only mad they'll never get Bakhmut, Avdeevka, Azovstal, Mariupol, or any other city back
Cool will those tactics help you take back Syria?

>>63977402 (OP)
Sure, easy disposal of a bunch of meat. More demand for MIC production. More profit. Think of all the funerals to be paid for. And taxed!

>>63981131
Not doing super great. Glad they're not our responsibility any more.

>>63978363
Lose the following:
>62% of engineers
>84% of Chemists
>85% of Economists
>85% of Professionals
>85% of Mathematicians
>86% of Physicists
>86% of Computer Scientists
>95% of Biologists
>96% of Geoscientists
>This is all apparently fine to you.

>>63983233
All the world's economists could drop dead right now and we'd be better off as a species

>>63977402 (OP)
Looks like a battlefield trailer lmao
Looks ridiculous

>>63977402 (OP)
It is, amerimutts are stuck in the 1960s
Disregard all the cope from Eglin assigned MTF trannies on this board

>>63977642
pedor.. we have an airforce. you do not. the skys are our domain, not yours. your anti air is shit and by the time the first pair of boots hit the ground, the skys will have been ours for weeks and every significant threat will have already been dealt with. whichever fpv drone operators who haven't been mulched by airstrikes, will then be mulched by the big high up drones. if the big drones don't get them, then they'll be mulched by artillery. as you can see, the US military has a wide variety of goodies to turn fpv drone operators into fertilizer before any boots ever hit the ground. against the US, russian fpv drone operators are picking their aks back up and joining the rest of the meat wave.

>>63983233
>lose the economists
The economy would skyrocket. Economists have been a disaster for humanity, we must return to library-building rail barons and Scottish storekeepers running the same family grocery for a century.

>>63981166
>casualties only matter if you have less men than the enemy
This, modern armies don't need boots/clothes/food/water/medical/radios/weapons/ammo/transport
That's all a silly modern (2000BC is modern right?) decadent myth

>>63984031
And how well did It go against the Houthis?

>>63984146
>show up to make the Houthis stop shooting at ships
>they stop shooting at everyone, only target jew boats
Is this supposed to be a failure? Shipping is safe and the Israelis get screwed over

>>63984146
went pretty well against you

>>63984083
>Scottish storekeepers running the same family grocery for a century
So Irn Bru confers immortality, huh?

>>63977565

Air is not cover
A trench or a massive stone wall is cover

>>63977402 (OP)
Merit for Putin is to expend excess young men.

>>63977678
>video of a drone abruptly ends when it enters a helicopter's rotor wash

>>63979978
The Vietnam War would have been very, very different if there was B2s dropping PGMs directly onto Charlie's head and 24/7 satellite and thermal scans of the entire country showing exactly where enemy troop movements are.
Did drones help Iran a month ago? Why didn't they just shoot down the bombers with drones if they're unstoppable?

>>63984612
>A trench or a massive stone wall is concealment
A hat is cover.

>>63983233
"Engineers" doing a lot of work in that 62%

>>63984898
What was that secondary engagement and why didn't the press cover it?

>>63984917
They assaulted Wagner bases.

>>63984934
A guy from ST6 talked about this. He on was on a helicopter ready to go assault Wagner too, but at the last minute Trump was able to deescalate the situation.

If youbhad a squad of space marines you could realisticaly do thst yes.

>>63984934
Oh, so they didn't just defend their position.
And I thought that Russia/USA were bff in Syria, posting pics together, etc.

if they are properly deployed, yes

>>63985053
dafuq is going on here

>>63985378
>Kanbalu Township, Sagaing region, PDF in the back of a truck run into a group of Junta soldiers buying liquor.

>>63977582
hey look everyone, its that guy who thinks FPV drones negate everything

>>63985388
i see, it also appears that they only got 1 of them but maybe the others were hit but running on adrenaline

>>63985392
Ukrainian crews operating NATO and soviet MBTs, IFVs in Ukraine want to hear your opinion on this matter.