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>>63978130 (OP)
They just exploit gaps in our air defenses which are designed for fast things that are big flying high in the sky. These are small things flying slow low to the ground.

1. More advance APS on tanks and IFV.
2. Dedicated anti-drone air defense vehicles that do nothing but shoot these things down.
3. Our own UAVs that act as fighter escorts.

John McDonalds will not like this thread...
>inb4 no, you can't make magnets, batteries

>>63978130 (OP)
Hegseth will fix It: https://x.com/SecDef/status/1943748870993064004?

>>63978152
4. Lightweight autonomous turret with a machinegun on anything that moves.

>>63978130 (OP)
>>63978014
>>63977363
Implessive, vely olganic

>>63978197
>4. Lightweight autonomous turret with a machinegun on anything that moves.

That's what I'm thinking as well, maybe with scaled down anti-air rounds that explode? These UAVs are small and completely fragile. We need AI assisted guidance as well. Just point it in a general direction, adn the AI handels the rest.

https://x.com/GrandpaRoy2/status/1944260199759720925

I don't think America is going to be embroiled in any conflict any time soon, but if that were to be the case then you should be terrified

>>63978241
I cant wait to see some overconfident thirdy militia actually try it and get Kasham'd

>>63978212
Doesn't necessarily need to be an autocannon, since you can't really put those on most light vehicles, and the smallest caliber which can reliably use flak shells is 30 mm, which is pretty fuckhueg.

I was thinking more along the lines of the General Robotics Pitbull, or the Allen Control Systems Bullfrog, with a 50-cal and an AI targeter.

>>63978241
lets be honest, the US army only does the victory lap after the AF flattened the country and the marines. If that fails then you end with a stupid clusterfuck.

>>63978289
Yes I'm not really worried. In an unlikely conflict with china, America would throw a few LRASM, china would lose a few ships and fighters, America would lose a few ships and fighters and then there's a ceasefire and diplomacy and that would be the end of it.

>>63978130 (OP)
>hurr durr drones
midwit moment

>>63978337
Drones will literally start assassinating politicians soon. Inb4 >hurr durr based
Targeting politicians will literally destabilize the whole world because new laws and crackdowns will sweep through society. You will start seeing it after a ceasefire in Ukraine because russians will start using militant islamists or whatever disposable meat as proxies for total deniability

>>63978359
>or whatever disposable meat as proxies for total deniability
They have been using underage girls with explosive backpacks for months... your post describes the past.

>>63978130 (OP)
>US makes hardly any
>US has been using UAVs to bomb sand people for nearly two decades by now
I'm thoroughly demoralized and completely bereft of reasons to continue living or supporting my country.

>>63978337
>>63978381
Drones have already been countered, just shoot at the damn thing

>>63978381
You know UAV/Drone is a incredibly broad term, but using that ambiguity would be a disservice to your point because Ukraine is making million of drones for their military a year meanwhile the US makes a few thousands, being optimistic... if you gonna go retard go FULL RETARD.

>>63978410
ISIS already used a ton of drones and those never really created problems because the west has competent EW where russia and ukraine really do not. (not to say they're not trying their best though)

This. Instead of trying to play with russian shit, should go all in with help to AFU to get both skills and know-how about what works with drones, what does not and how to use them effectively.

>>63978130 (OP)
>Ukraine had no drones 3 years ago
>today they are producing 10,000,000 per year
Drones are one of those things where you can rapidly scale production and give contracts to tiny companies because it doesn't take heaps of tooling.
Right now the whole world is testing designs, deciding what they need and weighing quantity vs quality, when they decide on designs we'll seen even tiny nations producing hundreds of thousands.

>>63978381
Apparently using quality kit that could be used to delete entire armored columns isn't what's needed
It'd cheap Chinese toys that have to used en mass to destroy a single abandoned and disabled t-55
Trust me I'm an expert

>>63978700
Trust me bro, FPV drones are all you need. I've seen footage

>>63978197
This so much. Use IR for targeting. Fuck radars, keep it passive, I hate emissions
>>63978212
Nothing custom, this turret needs to be on every single vehicle within 20km of the front line. 5.56 or 7.62 belt fed is the way to go.

>>63978212
>>63978282
AI is such a buzzword. All you need is a radar/laser rangefinder and some simple calculations and you're done. It's a solved problem.

>>63978491
No it's because ISIS were dumb goatfuckers.
Jamming is a meme. Fiber optics are an easy counter.

>>63978579
>today they are producing 10,000,000 per year
Thanks to US and EU consultants, experts, equipment (i.e. the US sending Ukraine huge 3D printers) and literal 10s of billions invested that Ukraine got from NATO. It's not like they did it on their own, nor could they - or any poor shithole for that matter. Ukraine was only able to do this because of Western technology, manufacturing expertise, equipment, and most importantly billions and billions of easy flowing Western money to throw at it. Even then, something like 90% of the drones are failures, and have a hard time with rather shitty Russian EW systems.
>>63978415
>because Ukraine is making million of drones for their military a year meanwhile the US makes a few thousands
And those millions of shitty hobby drones couldn't do anything to an actual military with competent EW systems and men manning them. Also, see above, Ukraine wouldn't be able to produce anything without the funds and help from the West. Tell me how well these hobby drones did against Israel? They were absolutely fucking worthless, because they were highly susceptible to even basic Western EW systems and would get spoofed, fried, or remotely controlled by some Israeli and grounded. Only some low IQ retard with a chip on their shit colored shoulder about the superior US would think hobby drones are the future of warfare.

>>63978776
>And those
I accept your concession. If you have to drop a wall-of-text is because your point was fragile.

>>63978289
>If that fails then you end with a stupid clusterfuck.
very true. this is when you then go for diplomacy and a mutual exit which benefits both sides (like the other anon said with a short war with china).

>>63978758
>Jamming is a meme.
Your existence is a meme
>Fiber optics are an easy counter.
Yeah, until you get your shit pushed in by a 500lb JDAM because the US actually has modern optics and will just trace your fiber optic back to your launch point. Also, fiber optics decrease range, payload, and battery life all just to get shot down by M-LIDS, and your position bombed back to the Stone Age.

>>63978788
Aw, poor baby already has to pull out his cope card. Must suck being a retart and getting BTFO constantly.

>>63978845
>that staged video again
2 years posting the same slop

>>63978845
>Drones flying at slow speed clustered neatly together to be destroyed for PR and promoting snake oil.
Just like your average FPV drone you'll be encountering on the battlefield, trust me.

>>63978776
>i.e. the US sending Ukraine huge 3D printers
Do know what company dominates the FDM printer markets, it's not american. Any 3D printers america might send are only of token value. Everyone from hobbyists to professionals uses Bambu labs nowadays, the only real competition is from other Chink companies.

>>63978855
>turdie thinks EM energy is magic from Allah (PIITB)
Why couldn't Allah (PIITB) guide Hamas shitskin hobby drones to kill kikes?

>AHHHHHHHHHH DJI SAVE ME FROM AMERICA

>>63978788
You're pathetic

>>63978888
What in the living fuck does chinsects making cheap 3D hobby printers have to do with anything I said in that post?
>>63978871
>Just like your average FPV drone you'll be encountering on the battlefield, trust me.
Literally exactly like the ones on the battlefield. In what fantasy world are you living that FPV drones loaded with a kilo of bombs are traveling at 150MPH all over Ukraine? That FPV would have a 500 ft range before the battery gave up.

>>63978944
>what fantasy world
The mind of a third world subhuman ape, truly the most deranged fantasy world there is
Hobbydroneniggers are unbelievably stupid

>>63978964
How many Reapers were shot down by the Houthis? 15 or 17?

>>63979031
How many S2A systems can you afford?

Wasn't there something along the lines of an F-16 dropping a shit ton of tiny surveillance drones from one of it's missile counter-measure points like a decade ago now?

>>63978902
You've doing the same pathological crap for at least 2 years.
>tries to derange any drone discussion
>post the same collection of marketing videos
>low effort racial baiting

Not wasting time discussing with a "subnormal". Just answer this:
Do you think HPM is hard-kill or soft-kill? in particular when the enemy knows the existence of that HPM weapon.
>from 0 to 100, 0 being low power jamming, 100 being a kinetic interceptor. Something like a high power laser is "90" only because the time required for effect (dwell time)

>>63978130 (OP)
>>63978241
another case of mass media and normies overlearning lessons in subjects they're not experts in and drumming up harmful sentiments that lead to awful solutions

drones are not the key to winning wars, they're just another capability slot that can be countered easily >>63977262

>>63978902
You've doing the same pathological crap for at least 2 years.
>tries to derail* any drone discussion
>post the same collection of marketing videos
>low effort racial baiting

Not wasting time discussing with a "subnormal". Just answer this:
Do you think HPM is hard-kill or soft-kill? in particular when the enemy knows the existence of that HPM weapon.
>from 0 to 100, 0 being low power jamming, 100 being a kinetic interceptor. Something like a high power laser is "90" only because the time required for effect (dwell time)

>>63979031
>How many Reapers were shot down by the Houthis?
Some. How many hours of high resolution ISR data did Reapers collect on the Houthis? How much foreign technology exploitation data did those Reapers that got shot down get on the various SAM systems Houthis used to down the Reapers? They probably gathered high resolution ISR data on how the Houthis SAM kill chain functions from initial detection of the MQ-9, the commands giving to the interceptors before, during, and right before their warhead explodes. If you think this is a fantasy bullshit cope response, the US did exactly this to gather data on USSR SAMs during the Vietnam War. They would send a bait UAV full of ELINT, SIGINT equipment to record all relevant EM emissions associated with USSR SAMs system all the way up to the warhead detonating. That UAV would, then, transmit that data to a C-130 (IIRC) wired up to receive, record, and store that data for EW countermeasure exploitation. This allowed them to record the targeting radars giving the interceptor's warhead the command to explode, allowing the US to load that data into their EW systems, and play it back to blow up the interceptor
>15 or 17?
Who knows, they always lie, and unless there's verifiable video for each one, I wouldn't believe them.

>>63979128
It was F/A-18 SHs. They dropped 103 Perdix drones with point and click control.

>>63979160
>Do you think HPM is hard-kill or soft-kill?
It's a hard kill, obviously. Can't fly your electronically controlled hobby quadcopter when said electronics now have a strong smell of ozone coming from the magic smoke soul escaping that hobby drone.
>in particular when the enemy knows the existence of that HPM weapon.
What the fuck are they going to do? Either, try to counter it by shielding, comms and nav systems that function in an "EW saturated" environment - which is going to make them expensive, heavier, shorter range, less payload, etc. Or they're going to try and target it. What are they targeting it with? Because they're going to have to get through a shitload of layers to hit it.

>>63979244
>t's a hard kill, obviously
Lmao, what's a cage of Faraday...
HPM aren't a reliable way to destroy electronic when the power density is worse than 1kW/m2. They have to rely on bad RF front end because the usual radio is already hardened beyond the point of overvoltage failure at those frequencies.
>can't cause thermal destruction
>can't damage power electronic unless there's null shielding (aka a few micrometers of aluminum)
>can't damage a FO drone
>can't damage a radio with a simple input attenuator

inb4 current drones remember:
>when the enemy knows the existence of that HPM weapon .

No radar receiver gets damaged by its own transmitter. Not even when they were exposed to pulses in the range of tens of MW coupled to the same waveguide.

>>63978855
>>63978871
>NOOO IT'S NOT FAIR, YOU CAN'T JUST POST SOMETHING THAT INVALIDATES MY OBSESSION!

>>63979307
>what's a cage of faraday
something that stops you from communicating with your shitty drone lol.

>>63979307
>Lmao, what's a cage of Faraday...
A cope cage.
>>63979307
>HPM aren't a reliable way to destroy electronic when the power density is worse than 1kW/m2.
Where are your sources? Also, you do understand the very elementary idea of peak power and RMS, don't you? The rest is cope for not knowing what M-LIDS is.
>can't cause thermal destruction
Yeah, i'm sure a high-powered short duration pulse doesn't cause thermal damage to cheap, inefficient, unshielded chinese made commercial boards...
>can't damage power electronic unless there's null shielding (aka a few micrometers of aluminum)
Proof?
>can't damage a FO drone
FO?
>can't damage a radio with a simple input attenuator
Proof?

>>63978359
Drones will attack neighborhoods first.
I can't believe it's not a thing yet, I can't stand my fucking neighbor and wish him death whenever he does a fucking party or what the fuck he does at 3 A.M.
And many people are more unreasonable than me.

>>63979343
So, if a drone can communicate despite the EM shielding then your HPM system is useless, amirite?
>why did I mention fiber-optic communication? hello

>>63979386
>source
Spot size of HPM weapons. Picrel by the Army (you can find the original pdf).

>very elementary idea of peak power and RMS, don't you?
HPM still can't cause thermal damage in macro-components or structures, only dielectric breakdown and micro-scale thermal destruction. Those are dependent on the target unlike a hard-kill method that even if can't destroy the target instantaneously it degrades its integrity, armor, etc. For HPM if you can't destroy the RF front end then the effect is nil regardless the dwell time.

>Proof?
Your microwave...

>FO?
Fiber-Optic drones, drones using optical fiber for wired communication.

>Proof?
Every, single, Radar or power transceiver. And no, you can protect a RF input without losing signal reception but I don't want to mention RF circulators

>>63978130 (OP)
stop spamming you fucking cunt there's 2 of these dot threads on the catalog

>>63978944
>What in the living fuck does chinsects making cheap 3D hobby printers have to do with anything I said in that post?
We are talking about 3D printers in relation to drones.
This means FDM. The best FDM machine on the market currently is some variant of Bambu depending on your price bracket. There is no contest.

>>63979464
>So, if a drone can communicate despite the EM shielding then your HPM system is useless, amirite?
FPS fiber optic drones can communicate in an EW saturated environments with HPMs active? May I see these tests or combat data that proves this?
>>why did I mention fiber-optic communication? hello
Because you're a coping retard.
>>63979505
>Spot size of HPM weapons. Picrel by the Army (you can find the original pdf).
Then find it.
>micro-scale thermal destruction.
OH, so it does cause thermal damage. Got it.

>For HPM if you can't destroy the RF front end then the effect is nil regardless the dwell time.
Proof?
>Your microwave...
Proof?
>Fiber-Optic drones, drones using optical fiber for wired communication.
So, a short ranged low capacity last ditch effort grenade with a please bomb my ass to hell short cable that leads right to them? lol lmao even,
>>Proof?
>Every, single, Radar or power transceiver. And no, you can protect a RF input without losing signal reception but I don't want to mention RF circulators

>>63979464
no, it just can't communicate because your communication method has to be outside the fucking faraday cage retard.

>>63979549
Your cellphone has (multiple) shielding, only the antenna is sub-optimally coupled to the free space to receive and transmit, but only that antenna through a transmission line.

>>63978788
>6 lines of text
You absolute bad-faith, illiterate monkey fucking chimp. You're one of the chink shills they got on the clock here spamming after Trump started the trade war again?

>>63979523
Again, what the fuck does that have to do with the US and NATO giving Ukraine industrial scale 3D printers, the physical and intellectual resources to set them up, and start spamming out shitty drones using the equipment, hardware, software, IP, and most importantly, billion upon billion of easy Western dollars to be able to afford this and rapidly field it? All this for something with a 10% combat efficiency. You only goal seems to be to shoehorn chinsects into the conversation to imply chinsects will be spamming DJI drones in a war with the US, when even the chinsects think this is a delusional tactic. Are you don'e? I get it, CHINER STRONK MASS PRODUCE POWAH!!!! Your talking point has been delivered and received; move on now.

>>63979540
>FPS fiber optic drones can communicate in an EW saturated environments with HPMs active
Of course. HPM can't induce optical noise.

>Then find it.
irrelevant. Find the spot size for the multiple HPM systems there's in development... do your part to back your spam.

>, so it does cause thermal damage.
Conditionally, any competent RF engineer avoids micro-scale damage (thermal and arcing)
Looping "proof" when the example is obvious is wasting time.

>So, a short ranged low capacity last ditch effort grenade
I accept your concession.

>pic
That only shows a unshielded (EM shielding) drone, guess what, even the thinnest aluminum foil will solve that problem (if done correctly) and HPM are terrible to induce joule heating in that situation, the shield wouldn't be gradually degraded.
You're just proving that HPM weapons HAVE to rely on a conditional: a bad design and the enemy refusing to do something simple and that every single radio maker has been doing since WWII... EM shielding. BTW the FCC will love to know who's making drones with no-shielding, that EM noise...

>>63979572
Not wasting time with someone trying to derail a /k/ argument with /pol/ bullshittery.

>>63979244
>wraps a piece of aluminum foil the electronics
Heh, nothing personnell direct energy faggot :^)

>>63979540
>May I see these tests or combat data that proves this?
It doesn't exist because HPMs are retarded vaporware THAT DON'T WORK SO NOBODY IS USES THEM

>>63979031
An amount inconsequential to the US government, who continue to do whatever they want globally
How many Yemeni subhumans are dead? How many russians have lost their lives in a 3 day SMO? How many Iranian air defence cuckolds are 6ft under?

>>63979577
>industrial scale 3D printers
What the fuck are you talking about? What printers?
Show me a single piece of military hardware created with these "industrial scale" 3D printers. You're really out of touch with 3D printer tech and it shows.

>>63979611
>Of course. HPM can't induce optical noise.

>irrelevant.
Not irrelevant when you're using it as your source material for your argument. Now, find it, easily, like you claimed.
>Find the spot size for the multiple HPM systems there's in development... do your part to back your spam.
Not my place. You made the claim, you back it up. Not my responsibility to refute your claim you haven't given sources to prove.
>Conditionally, any competent RF engineer avoids micro-scale damage (thermal and arcing)
So, not chinsect, shitskin, or vatnig. Got it.

>I accept your concession.
My concession that your whole team is getting sent to visit hell? Glad you agree!
>That only shows a unshielded (EM shielding) drone, guess what, even the thinnest aluminum foil will solve that problem (if done correctly) and HPM are terrible to induce joule heating in that situation, the shield wouldn't be gradually degraded.
Then why didn't Hamas just simply go to the local shop, grad some foil for $4 and BTFO of the multi-billion dollar Israeli military?
>You're just proving that HPM weapons HAVE to rely on a conditional: a bad design and the enemy refusing to do something simple and that every single radio maker has been doing since WWII... EM shielding. BTW the FCC will love to know who's making drones with no-shielding, that EM noise...
Then your expensive, shielded, low capacity short ranged glorified hobby drone meets the lasers, and actual interceptors part of M-LIDS.... You're just reinventing small UAVs for military use, and acting like it's a gamechanger.

>>63979617
Why didn't Hamas just do that then to BTFO the kikes? They let kikes humiliate them instead of pooling together their pocket change and buying a $4 roll of aluminum foil for their drones?
>>63979640
Is that why chiner is showing their new HPM off like they just invented the wheel?

>>63979656
Holy cope.
https://3dprintingindustry.com/news/titomic-receives-largest-ever-d523-3d-printer-order-to-support-ukraines-war-efforts-229305/

>>63979692
>ten metal 3D printers for making spare parts, will probably sit unused because it's a retarded concept
I can't believe you thought that was a good supporting fact for your argument.
The current significant 3D printer technology is FDM printers allowing low price fab setups printing surprisingly competetive volumes of various custom plastic parts.

>>63978130 (OP)
Can someone enlighten me which wars has been won by drones?

>>63978751
>AI is such a buzzword. All you need is a radar/laser rangefinder and some simple calculations and you're done. It's a solved problem.
Not those anons but I think you're wrong, it's somewhat more complex then that. You need something that is fully automated and can engage immediately with no human interaction, but of course will only engage drones not birds, mirages or people, and is networked with everything else and can decide if multiple turrets can engage which one or ones is best. I think that's plenty enough to stick under the "AI" umbrella, which is much bigger than just LLM shit and predates LLMs at all by 50 years of active comp sci research.

And while it's hardly the most gigantic challenge out there, it does matter a lot in this case to get the implementation really nailed down.

>>63979855
>I can't believe you thought that was a good supporting fact for your argument.
Holy shit you're retarded.
>The current significant 3D printer technology is FDM printers allowing low price fab setups printing surprisingly competetive volumes of various custom plastic parts.
You mean the literal most basic fucking hobby level 3D printing tech available? You think this is a fucking game changer? I'll just bomb your shitty fucking LARP shed back to your natural state (Stone Age) because I can actually afford a fucking competent air force with global reach and superiority. Just because Russia lacks an air force, competent pilots and an outdated Intel system that causes them to bomb the wrong fucking locations because their intel is months old before it gets acted on doesn't mean the US functions the same.

>>63979864
Nagorno-Karabakh War

>>63979877
>it does matter a lot in this case to get the implementation really nailed down.
You absolutely need to get it right on the first try. Second place prize is flames, smoke, twisted metal, and charred longpig.

>>63979889
Drones like Reaper and Predator, which USA has the most off. That means this post was made by bug or zigger hands

>>63978212
>We need AI assisted guidance as well.
Yeah, that's just called "auto" mode on a missile defense system and has been a thing for almost half a century...
>>63979877
That's the whole point of integrated layered defense systems with automatic engagement modes.

>>63978289
Yep. Whoever figures out good ground to air missiles will win because they're going to be cheaper than the jets they shoot down.

>>63979664
>/pol/ baittery
Reflection, huh... Maybe /pol/ is more on your speed but for a semi serious argument here, even if it's informal that isn't relevant.

>Laser
If you want a new goalpost centered on lasers I'm not interested. I'll keep this about HPM.

>Then your expensive, shielded, low capacity short ranged
Skin depth for microwaves is in the range of micrometers, around 1 oz per sqm...
If it's limited in range by the spool for FO communcation then that isn't a problem, nobody uses a small drone for that, people takes into account the 'dead weight' and uses a larger drone. And if you think a range of at least 10km is bad, well...

>Not irrelevant when you're using it as your source material for your argument. Now, find it, easily, like you claimed.
I'm waiting for the spot size of systems like THOR. Source you said? you're 1 OCR (pic legend) away from knowing it, It's "comical" to see a chronic spammer that can't even find the pdf of Mark Gunzinger or simply use the basics like antenna gain to know the beam width
Or should I simply post something less vague and with more numbers from a "good source" ?
https://dsiac.dtic.mil/articles/radio-frequency-directed-energy-weapon-design-tool/

Other possible way to discuss it is the decades old MIL STD related to EM hardening.

>>63979902
>You absolutely need to get it right on the first try. Second place prize is flames, smoke, twisted metal, and charred longpig.
Or having the system fuck up and shoot friendlies or gun down a bunch of civilian children you're supposed to protecting running up to the soldiers to give them flowers on live television, which would be decidedly suboptimal.

>>63979913
>That's the whole point of integrated layered defense systems with automatic engagement modes.
Of course, but the job gets harder the closer to the ground, shorter the range, and less differentiated things get. Using some level of object recognition as part of the sensor fusion and filtering process seems likely for future efforts? Guess we'll see though.

>>63980054
>>63979902
Or just have private numbnuts on guard duty watching the turret IR camera feed on his steam deck instead of patrolling around.

>>63980029
>Reflection, huh... Maybe /pol/ is more on your speed but for a semi serious argument here, even if it's informal that isn't relevant.
Oh, because it BTFO your coping wonderwaffel cheap trick to defeat the US it's /pol/ bait? Pure fucking cope.
>If you want a new goalpost centered on lasers I'm not interested. I'll keep this about HPM.
Why, because you're too retarded to understand a layered defense system that employs HPM, DEW, EW, and KE interception techniques? Or is it because it too obviously BTFO your "cheap hobby drones are the new meta for future war!!!! Take THAT HATO and EVIL US OF A!!!!"? And you'd rather not talk about it as it counters anything you could come up with, so you HAVE to ignore it.

>Skin depth for microwaves is in the range of micrometers, around 1 oz per sqm...
Yeah, it's not like these cheap hobby drones have antenna, sensors, cracks, and seems all over the fucking things that HPM will utilize as front and back doors to get inside...
>If it's limited in range by the spool for FO communcation then that isn't a problem, nobody uses a small drone for that,
Russia is literally using shitty cheap tiny FPS drones with fiber optic cable...
>people takes into account the 'dead weight' and uses a larger drone.
So, more expensive, less maneuverable slower quadcopters?
>And if you think a range of at least 10km is bad, well...
May I see this 10 km range?

Drones are the future if you're fighting crippled empires like russia

>>63979877
>I think that's plenty enough to stick under the "AI" umbrella
It really is not. Networking and target assignment is so basic it's basically a decision tree. You don't need to train a neural network to characterize a potential target. Nobody is going to care about decimating the local bird population, same way nobody really cares about sonar fucking all echolocation-based marine mammals. Not that it matters since drones have an obvious signature compared to birds and humans.

>>63980054
>Using some level of object recognition as part of the sensor fusion and filtering process seems likely for future efforts?
That is called automatic target classification/recognition, and has been used for close to half a century, too. They compare real time data they're seeing against something called a threat library that is loaded with threat systems movements, speeds, EM emissions, IR emissions from a shitload of different angles so that the system can give the operator a threat classification with a percentage of confidence that it correctly ID'd that target. AI is a meme phrase for shit that's been standard in competent militaries since the Cold War. You should look into BATs and LOCAAS programs. Where they could load an ATACMs missile with loitering drones that could automatically search, classify, target, and destroy USSR armor with LiDAR, and acoustic sensors that would listen to the sounds of the armor to classify what it was. The US was gun shy about unleashing auto targeting micro UAVs in an actual war, so they really never fielded those systems.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMZuqQhbJ3k

>>63980222

>>63980263

>>63980280

>DRONES WILL TAKE OVER IN WAR AND THE WEST DIDNT SUSPECT A THING
EW can easily neutralize all that aren't fiber optically guided.
>YEAH OKAY SO WE'LL MAKE THEM FIBER OPTIC GUIDED, INCREASE THEIR RANGE AND PUT TANDEM WARHEADS IN THEM
Like those loitering munitions that have been getting shown off at every arms expo for decades now and everyone relevant already knows about?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spike_(missile)
>B-BUT MUH POINT-TRACKING ALGORITHM
Lock-on after launch (fire and forget) has been a feature of pic related since ages ago
>B-BUT MUH AI THAT WILL TOTALLY MAKE IT AN UNSTOPPABLE KILLING MACHINE
in 2 more weeks?

Drones are great at certain things but anyone who thinks they'll revolutionize warfare is retarded. The main reason people over-estimate them is because they're great at increasing lethality in retard-fights and allow for easy filming/uploading of clips for propaganda.
It's kind of like TOW missiles when they hit Syria. Suddenly the chimps who were firing AKs over their heads hoping Allah would guide their bullets had a weapon which with minimal training would just fly towards where they pointed it and then explode. And so for a couple years there was video after video uploaded of groups of infantry blown to pieces by ATGMs. Had that been today these same retards would be talking about how ATGMs have revolutionized warfare and that warfare will never be the same again, there's nothing you can do against ATGMs, that the age of infantry is over etc.
But actual 1st world militaries can in reality deal with them and train against them.
Ever wonder why we aren't seeing a bunch of Israelis getting blown up with drones?

>>63980176
>more baiting

>Why, because you're too retarded to understand a layered defense system that employs HPM, DEW, EW, and KE interception techniques?
Moving the goalpost? the HPM layer is thin, invisible... and this is just a bad marketing video >>63978845 but you seem really insistent about spamming that crap in any drone discussion...

>Yeah, it's not like these cheap hobby drones have antenna, sensors, cracks
Because aluminum foil is expensive.

> will utilize as front and back doors to get inside...
When even the chinesium mass produced smd shield can achieve -100 dB of attenuation then your HPM is a soft-kill weapon at best.

>shitty cheap tiny FPS
If your you a 1.5kg drone carrying 1.5 kg of payload is the same as a 6kg drone carrying the same payload is the same then this is a waste of time... you even fail with compari- ah yes, for you a Reaper drone is the same as a $500 chinesium FPV... (you're the retard seething like this >>63978381 )

>May I see this 10 km range?
May I see a 300KW laser destroying a short barrage of sniping shells?
May I see a hardkill of a HPM 6 months after being deployed?
Of course you can't show shit. Meanwhile you can open aliex and buy a 20km FO spool for 200 dollars including shipping because they're light...

>>63980379
>Of course you can't show shit. Meanwhile you can open aliex and buy a 20km FO spool for 200 dollars including shipping because they're light...
Maybe you could link some footage of Hamas or Hezbollah's extremely successful FPV drone program?

>>63980379
>all this cope

>>63980379
>this entire seething post
>all because thirdies so desperately want drones to be the new meta
embarrassing.

>>63980437
>>63980393
>no arguments, can't even discuss https://dsiac.dtic.mil/articles/radio-frequency-directed-energy-weapon-design-tool/
Pathetic is an understatement.

>>63978130 (OP)
Drones are excellent. As recon.
For threats that need to be taken out immediately, they're subpar.

>>63980379
May I see a robust drone operator network that lasts 6 months after their nation is occupied by the US?

>>63980462
Why couldn't you just post:

https://www.congress.gov/crs_external_products/R/PDF/R46925/R46925.1.pdf
https://www.dst.defence.gov.au/sites/default/files/events/documents/Insights%20Paper%20-%20Direct%20Energy%20F1.pdf
https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1742-6596/2478/8/082011/pdf
https://csbaonline.org/uploads/documents/CSBA_ChangingTheGame_ereader.pdf

>>63980471
doc dumping?, I could dump as much as I want but it wouldn't be meaningful especially if you can't even give a reason, intention and relevancy to post each one of those links.
The link I posted is all you need for a basic argument (related to spot size and power density on target), back in the napkin math is more than enough and avoids wasting time with the usual "cursory statements" of dead end projects.

>>63980491
The mind of the 80 IQ shitskin that thinks himself a genius because everyone else in his crumbling, poor shithole has an IQ of 65.

>>63980505
Not even an argument...

>>63980364
To be fair, even shitholes like Ukraine are producing 200,000 FPVs a month. Last week they used sixty (60) FPVs on a single orcmobile. The volume at which quadrotors can be produced and used is unprecedented.

>>63978282
>Doesn't necessarily need to be an autocannon, since you can't really put those on most light vehicles
fucking what?

>>63978359
>>63979389
Drones aren't making bombings more common because the delivery mechanism was never actually an obstacle to carrying out such an attack. Besides, it's easier to stop a drone than a guy with a pressure cooker in a backpack.

>>63978415
>country fighting an existential war is producing more weapons than one at peace
wow thats crazy

>>63978871
yeah dude if you just fly faster you can dodge the EW

so is /k/ just slav shit and drone general now?

>>63979884
What the fuck are you foaming at the mouth for. I just told you ten boutique metal printers are irrelevant and you go crazy.
FDM machines allow you to create a new weapon and put it into production faster than ever before, simple as that.

>>63978845
>being a retart
>retart

Once again, if drones are so superior and the ultimate weapon then why the fuck isn't [insert non-Western country you're simping for] invading [insert totally legitimate and reasonable neighbouring country for totally non-imperialistic reasons because we're peaceful unlike the evil West] and any Western response is casually and easily defeated by D R O N E S ?

>>63980364
How many Spike missiles can you produce?
How many FPV's does Ukraine make, what was it? Is it 10 million a year yet?
So shut the fuck up, it's not the same thing.

>>63978776
>Western technology, manufacturing expertise, equipment
You have never worked in manufacturing have you? There isn't anything complex about motors, servos, injection molding, 3d printing ect.
Hobbyists have been making their own RC planes for a century and making racing drones for decades. The most complex part is the motor control MOSFET and the control computers that they are buying from both the west and asia.

>>63980989
>ect
Why do ESLs have such an issue with spelling etc? It's etc. Short for ET CETERA. WHERE THE FUCK DOES ECT COME FROM THIS?

>>63979523
>Bambufags
Get the fuck out you shills are bad enough on 3D printing forums. Shill your DRMed machines elsewhere.

>>63981002
I'm EOL and have been getting that wrong for ~30 years, it is funny how it triggers your autism.

>>63980989
You've never worked in your life, have you? Where are all you retarded fucking cavemen coming from? The welfare office sending you?

>>63981028
I'm an electrician but spent a decade switching jobs including electric motor manufacturing / repair and production line maintenance in an injection mould factory.
The hardest engineering challenge outside of the ICs is a good propeller and wing design for you target speed which are all publicly available as NACA airfoils.

What is your experience in manufacturing?