Thread 63986938

Now that aid is being fast tracked, what weapons will the administration give to Ukraine to strike Moscow?

>>63986938 (OP)
An entire company of 82nd Airborne paradropping on the Red Square while Ukrainian FPVs hit every single high rise and office building simultaneously.

>>63986938 (OP)
And based on recent reports, they are considering giving stuff like cruise missiles and ATACMs stuff too.

>>63986938 (OP)
>During one of the conversations with Zelensky, Trump wondered why Ukraine had not yet struck Moscow. Zelensky replied: "We can if you give us weapons.", - WP

>Trump said that Ukraine should put more pressure on Putin - not only in Moscow, but also in St. Petersburg.

>>63986948
And btw, the recent shift on policy is likely due to Melania’s influence. Despite all the glavset infiltration, one woman made it all moot for them.

>>63986938 (OP)
>what weapons will the administration give to Ukraine to strike Moscow?
Something like this.
Also why does Orange Man hate his buddy Monke now?

>>63986961
Probably FINALLY realized he's been getting played like a fiddle this whole time by Putin.

>>63986961
>hate monke now
His wife. Literally.
>Ukraine has an unexpected ally in the White House, — The Times.
>According to journalist and biographer Mary Jordan, "Melania's sympathy for Ukraine is not surprising, because she grew up in the former Yugoslavia, where the Russians were never sympathetic."
She basically told trump upfront about it not really working.

>>63986938 (OP)
>he changed his mind again
its getting a bit annoying honestly

>>63986938 (OP)
Is there any actual fire behind the smoke?
Or, in other words, is there anything after finally agreeing to sell US arms to NATO for Ukraine and totally existing Patriot systems?

>>63986968
>According to journalist

>>63986974
He literally said it himself that it’s because of melania
https://x.com/osinttechnical/status/1944785242075840909?s=46&t=hv35oZRbx-70WNcglB9bTw

>>63986961
Putin didn't come to the table for peace talks the orange turd forgot how war works you have to make them come to the table. To do that they have to feel the need to so not arming Ukraine makes the war last longer. Trumps worst foreign policy has been not arming Ukraine more to get Russia to do a peace deal.

>>63986956
That would just further prove Trump is senile and what he decides to do literally depends on the last person to talk to him

>>63986938 (OP)
Unleash the Crocket

>>63986961
It goes both ways. Putin was so distracted he let Turkey and Israel take out Russia's two main allies in the middle east. So I think Trump was content to leave the war in the back burner while he racked up American wins in the ME. Now Ukraine is the top foreign policy concern in the U.S. when it wasn't before. I also think the European diplomacy has worked. They ensured Ukraine aid was counted towards the new 5% target for NATO, to create a win-win where the U.S. doesn't pay directly, Euros increase their spending, and Ukraine gets weapons. Unsurprisingly Putin overplayed his hand. Trump was offering the best peace he was going to get and Putin slow-rolled him.

>Trump spun the wheel of personality and it landed on TZD this week
Lol nice

Dump all the M-10 Hookers
some NMESIS
some Typhons
more ATACMS
dump every old F-16 from the graveyard
dump every old M1A1 from the graveyard
dump every old Chadley from the graveyard
some JASSMs
Let Yuros pay for all of these
TZD

>>63986961
Until I see missiles hitting the Red Square and Kronstadt I will consider this just futher posturing by Trumpsky
Wasn't it only yesterday that he threatened the Russians with heavy sanctions and tariffs if they don't end the war in 50 days. Because his previous two week-deadline worked oh so well

>Trump got so mad he got in dick measuring contest with putin
Kinda based desu, as ukie I was alway happy you elected him over Indian female (worst gender and worst nationality ATM (yes worse then russian))
I still think you cornered yourself with two party system thou, at one point you will have to choose between bloodthirsty cunning dictator and cunning bloodthirsty monarch.

>>63986938 (OP)
These things are just evil, imagine celebrating this. Why the world always do these things to Russian?

What can you even hit in Moscow that actually matters?
I remember russian tv show did an oopsie and accidently revealed that there is drone command outpost in some skyscraper in Moscow, but nobody will allow ukraine to hit those.

>>63987018
>The vatnik cries out in pain as it strikes you

>>63987027
Literally administrative buildings and government facilities. Moscow and St. Petersburg is full of them.

>>63986943
Will obviously never happen but 82nd dropping on Moscow would be the most kino military moment of history, bar none

I can't wait for putler to nuke kiev

>>63986961
Tomahawks hitting the Kremlin and Putin's Palace on the Black Sea coast would be kino

>the friendless womanless unemployable shutin who lives on an image board thinks xes smarter than the individual who is currently running the united states of america
lol

>>63986938 (OP)
Do they have any left?

>>63987027
the Old KGB HQ where they house FSB now would be hilarious

>>63987074
>Putin's Palace on the Black Sea coast
Now THAT is kino. Imagine the decor

>>63986956
>>63986968
That mad lad has done it again from beyond the grave, praise be Tito: honorary non-communist.

>>63987096
Please stop pol posting.

Striking cities is retarded. Why do dictator boomers always want to terror bomb? Just fuck up Russian energy network even more. Oil rigs, eclectic grid, weapon factories etc.

>>63987099
>Oil rigs
You're saying Russia didn't blow it up? Interesting confession.

>>63987098
I’m sorry Anon but I respect Tito and refuse to see him as a retarded Communist, same goes for Polisario Front.

>>63987092
Apparently a single pillar there is worth more than below average russian makes in lifetime

>>63986938 (OP)
Wont the ruskis airburst a 20 kt atomic weapon over Kyiv or some jazz?

>>63987112
What about Nicky Ceaușescu?

>>63986938 (OP)
its almost like the west wants to see ukraine destroyed

>>63986938 (OP)
Trumpedo will change his mind in a day or two. Relying on his word is stupidity.

>>63987099
It doesn't really work on real people, but on serfs like the so-called russians and mainland Chinese? Comrades Stalin and Mao killed more of them than anyone else, ever, and they worship them; maybe it's worth a shot. I could at least use the mail order brides.

>>63987136
They already have a deal with Ukraine + Europe

>>63987140
>Trumpedo will change his mind in a day or two. Relying on his word is stupidity.

>>63986967
He knew he was being played for 3 months, he just didn't want to strike out against his steppe boyfriend. It was Trump that was playing all of Europe and Ukraine by pretending to be having a brain blast (for the 7th time) that maybe perhaps Monke might be just wasting everyone's time.
Unfortunately for him, Monke has been making it very difficult to keep playing this charade through ever increasing rocket chimpouts, constant foaming at the mouth and not backing off even one inch its deranged, impossible demands. On top of that, the neocons apparently won over the isolationist retards in the party, again, just like in Trump's 1st term, as evidenced by the Iran bombing

I've been saying this since the very beginning, the only people who are capable of ruining the dream scenario they found themselves in after Trump won... are the Russians themselves, through their infinite arrogance and delusions of grandeur

>>63987126
Yes in 14 days

>Have an asset in the White House
>ruin it
the geopolitical genius of our time

>>63986938 (OP)
>to strike Moscow
Nothing, sadly the escalationfags still control the US and despite what Trump says there is no way US arms are used on Moscow.

Except;

1. You won't give Ukraine what they actually need to push Russia out
2. You won't give Ukraine enough of anything you do actually give
3. You won't actually hurt Russia with tariffs and sanctions (despite saying multiple times since Jan you would)
4. You're already charging them for it, thus extremely limited on what they can do

If you can't force Russia out (because you either won't get involved or because you refuse to hand over amounts that will make a difference) then make it financially worse for them. But you won't. This is the thing, Russia can keep on going because if you take away DoorDash and Netflix from the West they'll be upset and protest - but if you've never had it you can't lose it. Russia is genius in that way. If you've always been shit, hardship doesn't matter because it's just another day ending in Y. Even if the population was pushed to the point that any normal society could take, they won't do anything because Putin has locked everything down. There is no way to actually beat Russia without direct involvement and that won't happen OR giving Ukraine thousands of vehicles and non-meme aircraft (even Block 70/72 F-16s would be good). All Ukraine can do is make Russia advance slowly. Men and materiel keeps arriving from Russia and they don't care about the cost, only that map turns red.

>>63987160
The funniest part is he had Trump so wrapped around his finger he could have just agreed to a cease fire, claimed Ukraine broke it and gone back to fighting.
Trump would have believed Putin over Ukraine or NATO 2 months ago.

>>63986961
they were never "buddies", trump was just naive and retarded so he bought the whole "russia just wants security" nonsense.
Also, the fake news media trying to destroy him hated putin too so he cant be that bad right..?

Looks like the sleeping giant finally woke up. tik tok vatnik

Dunno, Trump promised sanctions or some shit in two weeks during whole "peace talks" thing but those never happened. And now tariffs in 50 days lol

>>63987172
i think putin can't do anything usa says not to look weak to his own 'people' or maybe oligarchs or whatever

>>63987128
He was retarded but I respect him pissing off the Soviet’s

>>63987014
This. Trump said a lot of things but he didn't follow most of them with actions.

>>63987074
Now this would be kino of the greatest magnitude.

>>63987145
>It's not two senile egomaniacs waving their dicks. It's actually 5D chess masterpiece. Trust me bro.

While it's nice it's all talk, donald dump is trying to spook pootin and it won't work. Pootin will probably whisper sweet things to Donny and all that aid will get cancelled.

>>63986961
>"I speak to him [Putin] a lot about getting this thing done. And I always hang up and say, 'Well, that was a nice phone call.' And then missiles are launched into Kyiv or some other city. And I say, 'Strange.' And after that happens three or four times, you say, 'The talk doesn't mean anything.' I go home and tell the first lady, 'I spoke to Vladimir today. We had a wonderful conversation.' She said, 'Oh, really? Another city was just hit.'
Basically, Trump really wanted a peace deal for the prestige, and jewtin kept sweet-talking him and then proceeding to attack civilians, and Trump was getting pissed at it and he's finally lost his shit because he knows jewtin's just stringing him along and has no real interest in a deal. Plus the Russians did goofy shit like sending some faggot historian to a diplomatic meeting with Marco Rubio to ramble about 1250 AD. Jewtin should have come to the table seriously when he had a chance, he could have walked away with Crimea and no sanctions.

This is an unacceptable escalation from the US. Russia has done everything in its power to avoid conflict but has been repeatedly provoked, maybe its time for the gloves to come off

>>63987212
>all that projection
every accusation from them is a confession

>>63987212
That's why they have half their army staged in the Baltics and Belarus. Who knows how many Poseidon's are parked outside of Newport News.

>>63987212
Allways the same farce from russia.

>>63987226
Can you show us the video? Hope it's not a Seinfeld laughtrack.

>>63987126
well, they should have a couple of years ago. then threatened to do it again until surrender. it worked for america. no one would start nuclear war over this.

but they don't call him cucktin for nothing.

>>63986973
After what happened earlier this year Trump even talking about sending more weapons and losing patience with Putin is a major step.

>>63987027
Substations and control centers for rail networks. Everything runs through Moscow. Knock out the ability of freight to move on rail, bottle neck all the aid from China and Best Korea and all the shipments of goods to everything in Siberia. They can either build an entirely new railroad (which surely won't have any corruption) or deal with the logistics nightmare of offloading everything to trucks, moving it around the city, and loading it back onto rail. Also TPP because fuck the muscovites, knocking out power to the wealthy neighborhoods will do more damage to Putin than a million dead mobiks.

>>63986961
>buddy monke
Probably quite a lot of things contributing to Trump not being that enamored with Putin anymore.
>First, Trump gave concessions to Putin early and expected something back, which never materialised except for some history lessons from Putin. Melania may also have had an effect on Trump perceiving Putin as bullshitting and stalling.
>Even if it's just for his own image, I believe Trump wants the war to end and went into negotiations in good faith, even if ready to throw some of Ukraine under the buss if Putin actually gave him something. Putin gave nothing.
>Zelensky shat the bed early, but then gave everything Trump asked for quickly afterwards and managed to stabilise the situation. Both Ukraine and NATO has been buttering up Trump since. Zelensky and Trump are not friends, but it seems they have found an understanding.
>Rubio also took a hit from that debacle, but Hegseth blundering twice now may have given some influence back to Rubio's little gang. Him being natsec advisor and state secretary may have been just for show, but if he now also has Trump's ear it may become real influence on policy.
>The relatively successful strike against Iran boosted Trump's confidence. Me thinks the strike wasn't the idea of MAGA diehards, it smells neocon all the way, but it clearly shows that the hawks have some influence
>NATO allies are re-armimg according to Trump's wish for 5%. They are allowed to include Ukraine aid into that spending goal, so the importance of Ukraine was made clear. This compromise would at least indicate that the Trump admin recognises that Ukraine is a NATO affair and act accordingly.
But don't listen to what came to me in a dream.

>>63987212
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGizGLceM-I

>>63987242
meant for >>63987228

>>63987231
>it worked for america
Bad comparison: Imperial Japan was already completely defeated militarily, and that's before considering the massively different political system Ukraine has.
>no one would start nuclear war over this
Do you really think everyone is just going to shrug at the nuclear taboo being broken and say "not my problem" as if there are no long term consequences in doing so? Literally nobody wants that shit to happen with possible exception of Iran.

>>63987209
>Basically, Trump really wanted a peace deal for the prestige, and jewtin kept sweet-talking him and then proceeding to attack civilians, and Trump was getting pissed at it and he's finally lost his shit because he knows jewtin's just stringing him along and has no real interest in a deal. Plus the Russians did goofy shit like sending some faggot historian to a diplomatic meeting with Marco Rubio to ramble about 1250 AD. Jewtin should have come to the table seriously when he had a chance, he could have walked away with Crimea and no sanctions.
Fundamentally, Trump also hates to LOOK weak. He is a pretty weak man overall, and getting weaker as age takes its inevitable ever bigger toll, but he doesn't like that rubbed in his face in a way that's embarrassing. He's got a showy gangster face saving mindset. He doesn't have much in the way of values either.

So monke has chumped him over and over again and dashed his hopes to look cool and in a really flagrant way that makes it look like he's the bitch. Because he has, indeed, been the bitch. Now that's he's (very slowly, but finally) cottoning onto that he's mad, and since he has no real values here he's completely fine instantly reversing himself and casting blame which he's good at. And the Ukrainian leadership aren't retards and are ready to play that up as much as they can given the opportunity, flatter him, and give him the chance to look cool, they won't hesitate for a moment to spam how
>"those big manly Trump weapons we were sent are saving freedom and WINNING!!!"

Of course, chance of reversal in another 4 months in turn. But they'll take it while they can.

>>63987015
Nah, russians are the orks.

>>63987248
>So monke has chumped him over and over again and dashed his hopes to look cool and in a really flagrant way that makes it look like he's the bitch. Because he has, indeed, been the bitch. Now that's he's (very slowly, but finally) cottoning onto that he's mad, and since he has no real values here he's completely fine instantly reversing himself and casting blame which he's good at. And the Ukrainian leadership aren't retards and are ready to play that up as much as they can given the opportunity, flatter him, and give him the chance to look cool, they won't hesitate for a moment to spam how
That's a laugh track.

>>63987255
If Trump is really mad, why did he delay the tariffs on russia again? Penguins in Antarctica got hit but Monke gets another pass?

>>63987126
I suspect that would ensure Putin and everyone close to him will be hunted down and hanged from a tree just to make a clear message nukes are a big nono.
>but le nuke exchange
I wonder if someone told Drumpf most of the democrat voting base lives in major cities, would be funny if suddenly US becomes 75 percent or so republican by monke chimping out.

>>63987182
putin believes his own shit because he's surrounded by lying rats.
I his mind, he is winning the war, the west is afraid of him and he "holds the cards". His people and the oligarchs dont really matter in this, they are sheep and terrified of the fsb

I see the mask is slipped. So much for the value West world, so much for "defending" the Ukraine. It was about Lebensraum for greater Ukrisael after all

>>63987190
Didn't really work out for him in the end.

>>63987126
Bomb's drop, everyone he knows and loves dies in nuclear detonations
That's the great game of owning nukes
You use them, you get lit the fuck up

So did steeleanon start up a botnet or what?
TZD in any event.

>>63987271
>If Trump is really mad, why did he delay the tariffs on russia again?
He's been doing that everywhere. He loves threatening stupendous tariffs to get things he wants and has regularly failed to follow through, because once he does he can't shake the stick and has to actually deal with the pricing. Some areas actually have gotten for real significant tariff increases, but a lot of others got quietly dropped or delayed and then delayed yet again.

Also, we know there are tons of competing forces in his administration and lots of zigger loving faggots, everyone is trying to pull him various ways and since he's weak, loves praise, and lacks principle (and is fucking old) he tends to just dither and shift in the wind. This is normal enough for this admin, as much as anything can be. But any weapons that get shipped are shipped, having the last person he talked to change his mind later this year won't unship them.

>>63987282
>I see the mask is slipped. So much for the value West world, so much for "defending" the Ukraine. It was about Lebensraum for greater Ukrisael after all
Nigga everyone went in good faith to the negotiation table, yet monke kept throwing the dumbest excuses like being scared Zelensky will beat him and then he kept chimping out, not even military targets but cities, block apartments, churches during holidays, al-qaeda behaviour, he may have ensured international recognition over Crimea and maybe a slice of Donbass, even soviets played that book of asking a lot and then being content of getting a fraction, but no, he needed show they are a military power and fucked over everyone from a former fellow country to EU, POTUS and even the Third World food supplies, this entire disaster is on Russia.

>>63987249
japan would have fought hard if the us invaded and it would have been very similar to russia and ukraine.

i 100% guarantee no one would start a nuclear war over ukraine. there's a slim chance for poland.

>>63987304
This nigger had more off-ramps than the lunacy overpasses that the americans make in places like Texas.
All of them were generally not too bad for Russia, most of them were usually very bad for Ukraine. But he's taken none of them and I don't think there's any more from Europe, the orange goblin is fed up with his shit and its pretty much the last chance. Get the fuck out, take your broke dick army and go home or you're getting wiped out economically and military aid flowing into Ukraine at probably much higher levels.

I mean their military is hard up trying to deal with Ukraine on a beans and rice diet of dudes making drones in their garages and warehouses, the fuck are they going to cope with proper cruise missiles and ammo for years

>>63987308
>japan would have fought hard if the us invaded and it would have been very similar to russia and ukraine.
Japan's military industry was already exhausted
Ukraine isn't rounding up schoolchildren and telling them to charge machine guns
>i 100% guarantee no one would start a nuclear war over ukraine. there's a slim chance for poland.
That doesn't mean Russia isn't going to get absolutely fucked even if by conventional weapons.
It's never just "over ukraine" unless you're too retarded to see the bigger picture.

>>63986961
because the epstein thing is getting to him, gotta deflect somehow

>>63986938 (OP)
Moscow rocked!
Putin shocked!
BHARAT on top?

>>63986961
>Also why does Orange Man hate his buddy Monke now?

I don't think he liked him to begin with, but Trump recently realized that monke having compromised Epstein-tier shit on him means nothing since his voter base will memory-hole it within days, so he can do whatever he wants.

>>63987092
In public Putin tries to be dignified but in private he decorates "nigger rich". Bass boxes with built in plasma screens? Yes, in every bathroom. Very less probably, idk I've never really heard about him being a gay pedo much, he recreates Imperator Tiberius' pool of "minnows" (rape-friendly young men). I have heard this from otherwise crazy people but I've heard it weirdly often.

>>63987308
>i 100% guarantee no one would start a nuclear war over ukraine
Retard. If Russia uses nukes offensively for invasion and gets away with it, then every single country on the planet has to have nuclear weapons, NPT is dead. And there are ton of them in a position to sprint for them, Japan and South Korea could have simple nukes in a matter of months for example. Even those that can't make their own could potentially buy them from others, I can easily see Pakis exploiting a big new arms market and ME countries have plenty of money to pay tens/hundreds of millions per bomb. Nukes will spread worldwide, which also means the odds of further use (or them getting into the hands of non-state actors) sky rockets. It'd be a fucking nightmare.

Which certainly doesn't mean it won't happen. But you're in total cope denial about the incentives involved, or that the West would have any need to do NUCLEAR retaliation, there is plenty of conventional firepower to obliterate Russia easily. If Russia then nuked the West, well now it's a direct nuclear attack scenario. Even the poos and bugs would have to think hard about continuing to support Russia in light of that scenario, they have as much or more to lose than the US from nuclear proliferation. And if they cut Russia off, Russia would be fucked even without attacks in very short order.

>>63987333
Why do you insist on talking about Epstein???

>>63987204
>Trump said a lot of things but he didn't follow most of them with actions.

You mean the Panama Canal and Greenland aren't US properties and Canada is still a sovereign nation???

>>63987282
god, can you imagine if we treated ukraine like israel? if we did that back in 2022, they'd be speaking ukrainian in the kremlin by now.

>>63987308
I agree, there's no way the russia would escalate their three day Special Needs Operation into a nuclear war. Down deep, Putin knows that the USSR is never coming back.

>>63987012
>Let Yuros pay for all of these
This. Seing how hes all about deals and business its frustratring how he doesnt do the absolute capitalizing on all that obsolete trash that's gonna expire in storage.

>>63987453
Trump doesn't know shit about running a business, that's why so many of his have failed

>>63987216
>>63987218
>>63987226
The whole article just reads like all paid shill posts rolled into one. The only thing it doesn't do is reference day sex

>>63987126
no balls

>>63986968
>>63986961
>>63986956
We all know (((who))) is behind all this

>>63987236
>Trucks
Reminder Russia has terrible road infrastructure, moving stuff by anything other than rail is a logistical nightmare

>>63987482
Western Europe for comparison

>>63986938 (OP)
As much as it saddens me the ukrainians are too smart to actually make the mistake of bombing moscow. It would be a huge bonus for the russian propaganda, while ukraine has all the incentives of acting like they only want to defend themselves.
Personally I would just put massive amount of resources to try and assassinate monke.

>>63986938 (OP)
based and TZDpilled. can't wait to watch more ruslims die in glorious HD

>>63987564
if potus asks you if you can do something, your answer should always be 'yes'. usa matters a lot more than any russian propaganda.

>>63987564
To some extent, if there's a government or military target in downtown Mosqucow or Pidorsberg, its valid in times of war.

>>63986938 (OP)
>>63986956
the recent shift is coz Epstein and POTUS (Pedophile of the United States) trying to shift from this topic

>>63986961
didn't suck his dick hard enough so now he is the greatest enemy of mankind

>>63987012
>dump every old M1A1 and chadley
No, some sure but we also need them for modernization

>>63987015
Now now, the failing of the US political system isn't purely a 2 party thing, despite the glaring flaws
The Anglo system works wonders for both getting shit done, avoiding deadlocks and keeping absolute insane shit slipping into power

>>63987170
the interest rates in russia is 20% minimum, 25% or higher for the avarage person

>>63987582
Just because it's valid it doesn't mean that retarded boomers will understand it and not go >see... they are nazis.... poor russians..... TRUMP DO SOMETHING..... -posted with tapatalk

>>63987482
damn what the fuck

>>63987276
>he's surrounded by lying rats.
including himself, he is are king of lying rats

>>63987603
>Trump on Putin: “I go home and I tell the First Lady, ‘you know I spoke to Putin today, we had a wonderful conversation,’ she says ‘oh really? Another [Ukrainian] city was just hit.’”

>>63987357
Incredible that redditors still believe the steele dossier

>>63987486
Unfortunately that's not much better. None of that was constructed with international military transports in mind, quite the opposite. At the moment it takes a military transport from France 2 weeks to reach the border with Russia. The EU needed 70 billion to revamp its infrastructure for military transports for 2021-2027, but spent 1.7 billion instead. There are plenty of articles with lots more details if this is your topic: https://www.epc.eu/publication/eu-defence-series-military-mobility-a-critical-enabler/

>>63987564
>>63987582
you bomb middle of the shithole aka downtown Moscow and st.Petersburg (not Florida) and Putins baddy will show him highest window in no time. Those fags have only two cities to live in and if it's get ripped from them they will eat anyone

>>63987418
Sssshhh. Everybody luckily already forgot about that. Don't bring it up, somebody might get angry.

>>63987637
>lets corner a rat
>rat will nuke the world

>>63987649
>lets corner a rat
>rat will nuke the world
Hello Elon, hows Tesla?
This old faggy rat cornered itself, no one was pressuring it for far too long. Btw what's about hitting Crimea... le Crimea bridge, getting into fucking Kursk, hitting strategic bombers... no nukes so what gives?

>>63987564
Just get some ragheads to disassemble themselves in the Moscow Metro

>>63987649
Nook? Nook nook?

>>63987586
very organic

>>63986938 (OP)
HELLO TRUMP. IT IS ZELENKYY. I NEED 3 MILLION ROCKETS TO BOMB MOSCOW CHILDREN.

SLAVA UKRAINI

>>63987663
>cornered
DESU there's not even that. He could always do the old switcharoo with any of his cronies or escape to any of his SHITCS buddies to live out his days in luxury.

He's after historical fame but doesn't have what it takes. Now he'll only be infamous. But any narrative of last stand, Russias survival etc is just fear mongering bullshit to rile up their population and scare west. There's no practical danger to him or Russia. Only the inconveniences he's caused and would mostly go away the next day he pulls out of Ukraine.

Friendly reminder that except for (unfortunately) Ukraine this war is going absolutely perfectly:

>Russian threat massively downgraded with no end in sight to their diminishment and humiliation
>Russian arms sales, reputation and stockpiles permanently degraded
>NATO expansion and rearmament
>The end of Russia as a naval power
>Dead Russians everywhere, large scale internal instability ensured as soon as Putin is gone
>Norks benefitting in every imaginable way
>Russia dependent on literally the worse nation on earth to have power over you
>US defense industry hugely boosted
>Fresh vegetables for the Choson and fat stacks of gold for Kim
>Russian oil and gas exports to Europe being replaced by US
>Norks get free oil
>US/RoK get real world data on the actual capabilities of Nork weapons
>Iran and Syria deleted as relevant actors
>Drone kino delivered daily

Besides Ukraine why would anyone want this war to end? Yes it sucks for them but otherwise this war is the best damn thing to happen to the western world, the PRC and DPRK since the end of the cold war. If you don't live in Kyiv then this is going great and the longer it lasts the better for everyone who matters.

Besides Ukraine obviously.

>>63987564
It wouldnt be their first moscow bombing. Theyve hit a couple office buildings in moscow proper, close the airport regularly, and engels practically has bulleyes painted on it at this point.

>>63987693
Sorks probably aren't as thrilled as you are about the norks not being on the brink of starvation.

>>63987649
>we can't leave this 50 mile strip of bombed out depopulated land because....
>we just cant OK?!

>>63986956
>She understands what Muscuvites are like

>>63987677
>VerY OrGAniC
STFO ziger pedo

>>63986956
>>63986961
Its deeper than Melania. Trump realized that Putin was making him into a sucker and bullshitting him. That's more or less what Melania said too.

>>63987009
Shockingly great diplomacy by the Europeans...

>>63987705
A Worst Korean actually talked about this. They don't really want to send military aid to kill Norks because at the end of the day they are still both Koreans and they don't really see the North as a existential threat.

Over all the sales the RoK are making both currently and post war will benefit them greatly, any benefits the North will get will be more than offset by increased RoK capacities. Broadly speaking the war helps them as well.

>>63986938 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ9r8LMU9bQ

>>63986938 (OP)
Can or being able?

>>63987074
>hitting the Kremlin
Fuck the Kremlin, just targets inside mosqueov proper, so that those muscovite faggots feel the war home

>>63987854
>wait til winter
>knock out the power
>let moscow sort itself out

>>63986938 (OP)
LMAO

>>63987873
You know the propaganda Russia was pushing early in the war about Ukrainians freezing and eating their pets because they were starving?

The Ukes should kill the power to Moscow and then broadcast identical propaganda but with Russians.

>>63987900
While funny, my autism forces me to point out that it was euros starving and freezing, specifically brits iirc.

>>63987634
> 2 weeks
I've been on many military excerises, last year we travelled from the Polish/German border to Rotterdam in about 15 hours. Maybe moving entire divisions to the boarder in peacetime takes 2 weeks, but if there's an actual conflict you'd be amazed how much quicker things move.

>>63987934
yurop here, that turned out to be one of the hottest winters in a long time, laughed my fucking ass off at that shit. i was unironically pissed that the wheather was so hot, we barely ever get snow anymore, i would have LIKED if it froze because i don't give a shit about heating, i would've been able to afford it easily.

>>63987934
>Europe then has a notably warm winter, with many countries having the warmest winter on record
>It fucking happens again next year
Never fails to make me laugh

>>63987946
>God hates Russia

>>63987900
>early in the war
they keep saying that since 2014

>>63987126
American nuclear doctrine makes a first strike against Moscow highly likely following an attack like that. The reasoning is that we won't allow anyone to open up a nuclear Pandora's Box that leads to minor nations nuking each other nonstop. If we strike them in retaliation for them nuking a third party, Ukraine or otherwise, we send a message to China and everyone else. You can debate all you want whether we would actually annihilate Russia for this, but the fact of the matter is that it is a serious risk.

TDS cocksuckers sided with China, North Korea, and Iran during his first term. Will they side with Russia now, after TEN years of the Russia hoax?

>>63987950
>Europe will freeze
>North Eastern France and South Western Germany planting citrus, Normandy can grow cotton, Denmark planting figs

God confirmed for TZD

>>63987982
Don't include the Norks in that, there is a special relationship there that is doing more than anything besides Putin himself to destroy Russia.

>>63988008
if i told dutch farmers in the 1980's that they were gonna do grapes in 40 years they'd laugh in my face.

>>63988008
New England/Northern Europe are gonna be the hot new wine grape hubs. Even Canada and southern Sweden may get in on the new market.

>>63988013
Don't know why they would think that, i'm in northern Maine and we grow grapes. I'm on a mountain top and i have a few vines.

Fun fact: ALL European grapes are technically American grapes, their entire industry was nearly wiped out by blight until they figured out that if you graft them to North American rootstocks then they can survive.

Also Scandinavia has a tiny relic population of 1000 year old new world grapes, they descend from seeds brought back by Erikson since one of the cargos they brought back from Canada/New England was raisins.

>>63988027
true
also fun fact, did you know carrots are orange because of the netherlands?

>>63988027
Trye, but grape growing has been suppressed by North America being colder than normal due to the little ice age, we're now jumping into an even warmer and more mild pattern of winters, so larger vineyards will be profitable.

>>63988027
>i'm on a mountain top and i have a few vines
sure but i was talking about growing them in quantity and being actually economically competitive with them, which more and more dutch grape gardens are.

>>63988041
Yes.
>>63988043
Correct, however New World grapes are different enough that they are a separate (but closely related) species. Did you know that Cauliflower, brussel sprouts ect are all the same plant, they just have freakishly variable cultivars?

>>63988045
Also correct. Sadly until recently native North American grapes as wine has been ignored, they were almost exclusively used as poverty food or root stocks. They ones i'm growing are a very specific Newfoundland breed that can take -30 and they take a while to establish. Interestingly they do very well paired with crab apple trees.

BRB picture incoming.

1/2

>>63988027
northern maine is on the same latitude as venice

>>63986976
I expect her nude pics to start making rounds online again, especially on twatter. The glavnet is slow to react but also predictable.

>>63987900
>but with Russians.
Nah, no edits. Just rerun the exact same propaganda completely intact alongside livestreams of European capitals. The Russians generally won't get it, but a few might.

>>63988073
if you look at centuries old paintings you'll see melons with much more connective tissue and less red fruit flesh
i love plants to begin with and the topic of how wild plant species slowly turned into the cultivated specimens we eat today is fascinating.

>>63988084
Venice isn't 1800 feet above sea level and it doesn't get -30 in January.

Image: Norktard showing off grapes, woodworking skills, other cabin, sauna and agriculture degree

>>63988105
Melons are supposed to be 90% seeds. You cook/pickle the rind like cucumbers and roast the seeds and eat them. The rind is supposed to be used as fresh fruit and you store the seeds. Westerners literally have them backwards, African melons are just huge seed balls with almost no pulp.

2/2

>>63987478
wow this makes sense

>>63988105
I read or listened to something a while back, gist of it was the risk or famine was much greater in the past even though so many people were farming because crop yields were so much lower. By cross breeding different plants over the years we've made crops with higher yields that are also resistant to disease and drought

>>63987012
80 M-10s made and the line is hot might as well

>>63988084
sure but it doesn't have the gulfstream nor the AMOC nor the rocky mountains lining up reheated air travelling north perfectly with europe that gives them their significantly warmer wheather for the latitude.

>>63988119
Holy crap that resized terribly and my phone sucks.

>>63988129
there's also the fact that we can just produce a shitload more period because we load up our soils with fucktons of nutrients in a way we couldn't before industrialized society. artificial fertilizer is one of the main reasons why human populations boomed in the 20th century and before that we were raiding birdpoop islands and declaring war to capture the birdpoop because that guano was basically modern fertilizer before modern fertilizer.

>>63987982
They might, I mean they already sided with Iran again.

>>63988012
Quiet namefaggot

>>63988013
Global south sweating and malding over the new climate change agri boom for the white man

>>63988012
Go away you delusional little faggot

>>63988182
Do you really think that will work?

>>63987126
only if monke wants a missile up his ass to send him finally feeding the maggots. Launched by the ukranians of course after receiving generous donations from unnamed benefactors

>>63988119
>Melons are supposed to be 90% seeds. You cook/pickle the rind like cucumbers and roast the seeds and eat them. The rind is supposed to be used as fresh fruit and you store the seeds. Westerners literally have them backwards, African melons are just huge seed balls with almost no pulp.
Is it backwards or is it just superior cultivation?

>>63988100
Well not quite yet, they're still very busy with the Epstein list pedophile accusations.

>>63987946
fuck off, snow is shit. It was so good riding a motorbike through the entire winter. instead of the 4-5 months of snow and ice you usually get

>>63988182
>>63988189
shut up you niggers best corean retard's not even the worst of what forchins tripfaggotry can offer

>>63988182
>>63988189
Just let the little autist have his weird thing. Norktard isn't a helmettard/armatard type that schizos out and derails thread by force of seethe, norktard actually contributes in his own strange way.

>>63988209
>not even the worst
Watery shit and solid shit is still, at the end of the day, shit.

>>63987099
Western weapons are accurate enough to target individual buildings, so they can be used to hit military and administrative buildings instead of pedestrian bridges and civilian apartments.

>>63987742
>They don't really want to send military aid to kill Norks because at the end of the day they are still both Koreans and they don't really see the North as a existential threat.
meanwhile a stalinist tyranny would gladly stuff them wholesale into concentration camps for mass extermination. Nobody up north gives a shit about ethnicity. Loyalty to party and dynasty are all that matter. for regular grunts its all about NOT being at the bottom of the pyramid which southerners certainly would be

this kind of naivete is the reason the planet is never really going to get rid of tyrants as western influenced, rule of law/separation of powers based states are too soft, and greedy, to recognize reality for what it is

Chances of Ukraine actually terror bombing Moscow?

>>63988201
YWNBARWM

Science has gone too far, you will never be a real watermelon!

>>63988247
0, they're not about to turn all their allies against them even with permission from the U.S.
It would be pretty funny if they hit some glavnet offices, however.

>>63988220
You kinda do make an compelling arguement there, but you still gotta understand how shitting out good logs is way better living compared to dehydrating the shit out of you(lol)

>>63988252
what if it was one of trump's requirements?
like "i'm only giving you aid if you bomb moscow", to paint ukies as terrorists and help his butt buddy out one more time.

>>63988249
>hey hun, come with me on this trip into culinary archeology
>its not like the idea for my new hobby came from a north korea fetishist on 4chan or anything
I'd still plap the hell out of best sister, even if it was illegal. The taboo would just make it steamier.

>>63988247
You don't go full retard in the name of a schizo that will throw you aside in 3 days when something happens in the ME (but this time not the meme 3 days).

>>63986938 (OP)
>>63987826
>Donald Trump asked Volodymyr Zelensky if Ukraine was capable of striking Moscow in encouragement of more long-range strikes inside Russia, sources told the Financial Times.
>The US president told Mr Zelensky that he wanted Ukraine to “make them [Russians] feel the pain”.
>The hardest part about this decision? My cock.

What is it with egoistic dictators and "red lines", "ultimatums", "last chances" and then not following up with shit?
China, Iran, Russia and now orange goofball

>>63987693
wait until China starts some shit, takes over Taiwan, that will put the pressure off Putin.

The thing is Yellows and Reds are tired of USA hegemony

>>63988281
Its been 70 years lmao china aint gonna do shit but seethe and paint kids lunches with lead paint

>>63987170
>nothing could possibly ever happen
-t. Tsar Chudolas II, March 7th 1917

>>63988201
Honestly as a food item the western version is just a luxury, African watermelons are just one huge brick of seeds that have actual nutritional value for what it takes to cultivate them. In terms of food value for imputs ours are worthless and counter productive.

>>63988211
>>63988209
Well thank you.

I will turn off my trip for the rest of the conversation simply to prevent jerks from derailing the conversation unless directly addressed by name.

>>63988234
Francis Fukuyama rage posting on my /k/ ‽

>>63987209
>ramble about 1250 AD.
But 'Rus was getting buttbroken by Mongols at that time... Muscovites are truly the successor state of Golden Horde, the Pidor Czarghanate

>>63988103
The ones who get it do nothing but shitpost on dvach all day

>>63986956
>And btw, the recent shift on policy is likely due to Melania’s influence. Despite all the glavset infiltration, one woman made it all moot for them
This is such fucking bs. Why are you guys shilling this nonsense?

Trump wants a deal. He fought with Z to get him to accept a deal. Now Putin won't sit down and make a serious offer so he has to give Z what he needs to get Putin at the table.

It's so fucking simple. Instead, you dudes come up with some bullshit based on a tweet from a known bullshitter. I know why too - you're incapable of saying anything positive about Trump. Because you've been mindraped.

>>63988278
Obama issued multiple "red lines" in Syria. All of which got crossed and nothing was done about it by Obama.

Take your TDS to >>>/pol/

>>63988008
RETVRN
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Warm_Period

>>63988329
>mindraped
Is that what trump and epstein were doing with those little girls?

All that aside, the reasoning is that its just such a shift in tone from trump. He went from cutting off ukraine from weapons already in europe to maybe tomahawks in about a week. Of course people are wondering what set this off.

>>63988332
>b-but Obama!

>>63988333
This was proven not to exist, chud.

>>63988329
>you're incapable of saying anything positive about Trump
That's because he's an idiot with very few positive things to be said about him, not because I'm inherently against him.

A normal-IQ person would have figured out months ago that Putin was stringing him along and bullshitting him during every phone call and laughing behind his back.

>>63988260
They could easily work around it by hitting military targets and war infrastructure.

>>63987027
You could hit government and military admins buildings, but I want to see the Ukies start blowing up daschas. Not only because it would be funny, but because it's the most effective way to make Putin('s friends) feel the war personally without directly terrorizing the populace in a way that would immediately backfire by galvanizing them against Ukraine. Naturally the media would still try to spin it as a terror attack, but I think even the Russians would silently recognize that type of attack for what it is.

>>63988351
I would love to see moscow ad get surgically deleted

>>63987637
nah, russians will never revolt. their entire history was one of accepting their shit condition and the only time they revolted they got communism.

>>63988329
>Dude it is 5D chess! Trust the plan!
Sorry there has been way too much obvious retardation and bullshit from Trump to take that notion seriously.

>>63988266
Pretty sure that's just all politicians.

>>63988372
Fuck, I fucked that up, it was to >>63988278

>>63988340
>Is that what trump and epstein were doing with those little girls?
if Trump was involved in the Epstein files, Biden would have released that shit immediately. Let's think before we feel.

>All that aside, the reasoning is that its just such a shift in tone from trump
For those of us who make deals, it's not surprising at all. If Z is ready to sit down and P is not, you have to create leverage to bring P to the table. Long range percision fires is that leverage. Watch, if this doesn't work Trump will announce something ridiculous like a $1T weapons package to Ukraine or F35's or something crazy like that. He needs P to sit down and make a serious offer, and to do that he needs leverage.

Shrimple as that. Painfully obvious. Called it months ago

>>63988345
anon, you're incapable of negotiating a pay raise. Please don't critique the deal making abilities of others. Thanks.

>>63988366
It's not 5D chess. It's the most obvious shit in the world. I called this in January.

>>63988281
The Yellows will fight the Reds for the corpse of What Once Was and an Orange sun will set on both of them.

This is actually good for Russia.

>>63988008
>Normandy can grow cotton
Nigga wat?

>>63988403
Jesus Copelord really is delusional.

>>63987233
Until I see Globemasters landing in Krakow, it's a war of words as far as I care. Speaking like a retard out of both sides of your mouth has the effect of people not believing a single word you say. Actions speek louder than words, and all I've seen is Trump and Vance acting like 2 retards with Zelensky.

>>63988392
>Please don't critique the deal making abilities of others. Thanks.

If I had jack shit to show after 6 months of saying I would get it done "soon" (and even having promised before that that I could get it done in 24 hours) I wouldn't be negotiating for a pay raise, I'd be fired. Idiot. Results matter, talk doesn't.

>>63988403
holy shit he's really bringing back the zigger cope from the early months of the war which was that the war was actually a 999D chess move by monke to deplete NATO's reserves

>>63988119
>Norktard showing off....agriculture degree
is this legit norktard Lore?

>>63987946
kek same, I was pissed off by that warm winter because for the first time in like 2 decades, I couldn't do my yearly skiing holidays in the Alps.
Video for reference and to never forget how dumb ziggers are and deserve everything that will be coming at them.

>>63988403
total collapse of the Russian front lines before the end of the year confirmed

>>63987283
Like I said he was retarded

>>63987564
Lots of government buildings and factories in Moscow.
Drones already attacked Moscow too, especially some minor factories.
Hell, even one drone hit the Kremlin in 2022
That redline was crossed ages ago

>>63988403
>if you use weapons to kill ziggers, they win

>>63988422
he actually owns this book so i wouldn't be surprised
>>63988423
>IF YOUR MEDIA DOESN'T TELL YOU WHERE THIS IS ALL GOING, RT IS AVAILABLE VIA VPN
lol
i have no words

>>63987571
Classic Ben.

>>63988403
TOTY post

>>63988417
>>63988417
>If I had jack shit to show after 6 months of saying I would get it done "soon
Mineral deal and Ukranians are ready to accept a deal. That's progress. Russians are now seen as the party who are the obstacle to peace. That's progress. Ending a four year war with roots that go back to the Russian civil war is no easy task. Let him cook.

Also, he's going to get his party to let some weapons shipments go through. So I think the words you're looking for are "thank you".

>>63988409
Most of the internet seems to think he's a pedo that fell into a russian honeypot and is being blackmailed to shill on russia's behalf.
>>63988429
He really is like a reverse Nostradamus. Every prediction he makes turns out to be dead wrong.

Joever

Doesn't Trump know that this is one of Putin's red lines? Does he want Russia to nuking New York and Los Angelos?

>>63988465
Strategic ambiguity.

>>63988451
I now want to train some LoRa on his shitty drawings so funny confusing shit could be prompted.

>>63988469
They didnt vote for him

>>63988469
>nuking New York

>>63988486
Trump from New York. They vote for him.

>>63988456
>Russians are now seen as the party who are the obstacle to peace.
Always were, retard

>>63988247
>Chances of Ukraine actually terror bombing Moscow?
Between very low and none, simply because terror bombing is retarded due to being basically counterproductive, remember everyone calling it out years ago?
Only the shills were claiming that a fortnight of bombing will cause the Ukes to instantly run to the bargaining table

>>63988489
also nook London, Paris, and all of Poland.

>>63988490
lol, lmao even

>>63987649
Just dig your heels in.

>>63988511
>Poland
>Paris
>London
>Banana
basically sums up Monke's motives for the whole war

>>63988511
If you start fucking around with the bananas, the Nintendo yakuzas will get involved, and shit will get ugly.

>>63988469
I honestly can't tell if this is satire or an actual turdie

>>63988149
Well that to. I tell all the 'just stop oil' retards I meet online that they must be fine with billions of people dying from hunger as oil based agriculture stops and they have no response

>>63988539
>I tell all the 'just stop oil' retards I meet online
Back when I used to argue with retards, i liked anti-natalists because my response to them was

>That's cool, I support your personal stance - I agree people like you shouldn't reproduce :^)

>>63988456
>Russians are now seen as the party who are the obstacle to peace
Those who didn't realize it 3 years ago are either retarded or so deep in russian propaganda it's coming out their ass.

He accused Z of being a dictator (he's never said that of putin, despite the fact he's effectively been in power for 25 fucking years)
He accused Ukraine of starting the war ("you should have never started it")
When the war started he said Putin was a "genius". And when Putin declared Luhansk and Donets independent he said "that's wonderful"
He halted aid
He extorted natural resources from a country at war
He's a fucking nigger, and he spent the first 6 months of his second term spreading his cheeks wide open for Putin, making an ass of himself and getting nothing in return. Great fucking deal making. Looking real tough and strong against a potential forever ally and looking like a cuck against your geopolitical enemy. Masterful stroke, really.

>>63988511
Will putin stop at nothing to secure banana?

>>63988333
Seems like a longer than usual gulf stream flub desu.

>>63988404
Rhode Island is on the cusp of being able to do it and Connecticut grows tobacco. Yields wouldn't be great but there are cultivars that can do it. I got a grant from URI where i proved that dryland Rice is feasible in RI (and that RI has a population of emerald rice thrips) and there are a few small farms that grow rice in Maine. Modern plant breeding can pull off amazing shit, there are breeds of figs that grow in Chicago.

>>63988409
>>63988403
Dude is fucking nuts, has anyone asked him why Russia is using Koksans not just because Russia is running out of heavy guns but because Koksans are better?

>>63988422
>>63988447
Yes it is. Also the companion book is far better from a practical viewpoint, i honestly think 'understanding wood' should be on every /k/mmandos reading list. That and 'one good turn' which is a insanely informative book about the history of screws that should be mandatory reading in every school on earth.

Just because i'm a crazy autist doesn't mean i'm dumb, i'm just a weirdo.

>>63986961
Aside from what other anons have said, I think getting access to US intel has probably changed things for him. Everybody knows there's nothing Trump hates more than a loser and I think it's likely that he now knows things about the state of Russia and the war that have made him less eager to associate himself with Putin.

>>63988561
A world without banan is not a world worth living in.

.t monke

>>63988625
Yeah, i think that skunk haired lady was fucking with the intel. This shift has almost completely coincided with that. She and hegseth are the same type of putinist, and this kinda aligns with him trying to unilaterally cut off ukraine but being able to brown nose trump just a bit better.

>>63988329
Although I don't take the Melania story at face value, how exactly does Trump lying that he got cucked by Putin and his wife had to step in to pull his head out of his ass benefit him?

>>63988423
Oh shit I remember that. "store shelves are empty! people are freezing to death without gas and food imports from mighty Ziggerstan!!"

they gave up on that narrative pretty fast lmao

Why does this board seethe about Trump non stop? There are so many extremely emotional posts in this thread with hatred towards the POTUS. It's a little bizarre.

>>63988392
>if Trump was involved in the Epstein files, Biden would have released that shit immediately. Let's think before we feel
Even if the list also had democrat notables? Because if you know what company Trump was keeping at that time, if he went to cunny island it would have been with his BFF Bill Clinton.

There is no way that the list wouldn’t include powerful men on both sides of the aisle, which is why Trump’s promise to release the list was always a good fucking joke, and a product of his tendency to promise things thoughtlessly.

>>63988698
/pol/ didn't vote for taco

>>63988561
This is the big question.
>>63988566
Norktard! I need someone with an Agriculture degree to weigh in on pic-rel.
AUTISM POWERS, ACTIVATE!

>>63988698
I think they just dont like pedos here

>>63988707
Why didn't you seethe this hard over Biden then? You're very emotional about Trump.

>>63988423
>>63988694
It reminds me of that russian countryball portraying the confident russian well prepared for winter with jars of pickled vegetables, as if it was the only food the western countries eat too like them.
Their projection is pretty much admission.

>>63988535
if he shoots ya it's gonna hurt

>>63987321
Uh oh, 15 minute walkable city eurofaggot detected

>>63988726
>hasn't lived like that
Don't knock it til you try it. Moved my wife and I from her town of 150 and dropping to an apartment downtown in a nearby city. Same grocery store that used to be half an hour away is now 5 minutes max. Restaurants, bars, breweries. Shit's rad AND people actually finish their fucking conversations. It's not like an hour of it shifting slightly closer to the door. Nope. Say your peace and be done.

>>63987096
Grande Tito

>>63988729
Just shave your fucking head at that point, jesus

>>63988698
Confluence of /pol/ and /leftypol/ who want him to completely abandon Europe to be subjugated by Russia in the name of the baZed and tradness/le Global Majority™ and Europeans themselves who are frustrated with the lack of support, despite the US signalling its desire to focus more on Asia for over a decade.

>>63988754
He wants that chairman Mao look.

>>63988717
i got that one but it is with a polandball edit therefore not blue board