>fighting a race of giant bugs that primarily engage in melee combat
>attaches a fuckhuge high power scope to his rifle that's used exactly one (1) time in the entire film

What was the thought process here?

Its an antifascist movie that made fascism look cool as fuck and democratic, what did you expect?

>>63987648 (OP)
It's self explainable.

>>63987648 (OP)
>>What was the thought process here?

It looks cool. But it also looks like a poorly disguised flashlight

>>63987648 (OP)
The bugs cannot melee you if you snipe them from the horizon.
Of course, the troops on the ground may have a more nuanced view of how effective that is, but the pencil pushers deciding what shit gets stapled onto their guns aren't them.

I'm not sure if it's the case but my brain tells me me that flashlight is like 3-5º off axis and that's triggering.

>>63987648 (OP)
It is shown in the movie, it is their primary means of platoon level long range surveillance.

>>63987979
>it is their primary means of platoon level long range surveillance.
It's never used for this role or even alluded to in the film whatsoever. Literally the only time the scope is ever used is when Razcheck (however the fuck you spell it) mercy kills the guy he used as bait for the flying bug.

>>63987648 (OP)
>A secondary character gets to have a more distinctive add on to his gun, making him stand out more among all the uniformed mooks
>There is actually a scene (the mercy killing) that requires/looks better if it can be done with a scoped weapon

>>63987648 (OP)
Did you play the vidya? Adding a scope=now you do sniper rifle damage.
Also
>Climb a building
>See a group of friendlies getting swarmed, even two Tigers
>Use scope and pew pew, kill several warriors, friends manage to push back
Being able to reach out and hit very distant enemies is, surprisingly, a useful thing.

>>63987648 (OP)
budget. or really, lack thereof. notice that none of the rifles have sights, because they ran out of money for props.

>>63987648 (OP)
>what was the thought process here?
"We don't have the effects budget to do powered armor" - literally effected every decision in the entire movie. The Roughneck Chronicles and more recent animated material are closer to Heinlein.

>>63988818
the third film with the planet bug certainly had the budget for power armor. heck, they even got the power scale right with the regular bugs being able to do jack shit and the power armors launching pocket nukes.

>>63988818
It was never about being faithful to the book, it was about setting up a strawman and knocking it over with "satire."

>>63987655
How the fuck was it fascist? It was a globalist meritocratic government that treated its people well and would hang its leaders for fucking up.

>>63989344
>meritocratic government
To many, that's facist.

>>63989344
Bruh, Doogie Howser wore a n*zi style uniform. That means they must be bad.

>>63987648 (OP)
>attaches a fuckhuge high power scope to his rifle that's used exactly one (1) time in the entire film

>>63987979
>it is their primary means of platoon level long range surveillance

>>63989538
>Doogie Howser
Is GAY. WTF gay? He was a DOCTOR and now he's a gay psychic Nazi? What is this world coming to?

>>63987965
You should measure your walls. Just to see if they're square and perpendicular to the ground and stuff :^)

>>63989582
Then he became a NYC executive manwhore and married a Canadian slut who quit her newscaster job to work for a superhero team.

>>63989607
I already did it.

>>63989607
Fuck. You.
t. Machinist.

>>63989626
It's all so confusing... if I didn't have my mood ring, I wouldn't know what to believe in!

>>63988818
That's because the combat portions of the movie are actually based on the book _Armor_ by John Steakley.

>>63989538
but the white head of the military resigned hours after blowing the Klendathu operation, and is replaced by a fat black woman.

>>63987655
Nah. I don’t know where this meme comes from. It was just a cool campy comic book movie based on a novel by a guy who came out of the early 20th century with a romantic view of a big united world government.

>>63989700
>_Armor_ by John Steakley
A well-read gentleman of quality is in this thread.

>>63989501
They were like oh hey yeah in order to be in the government you have to have some skin in the game, but you don't have to join!
then it's like ok civilians can fuck up all they want, but a colonel's going to the firing squad for fucking up.

>>63989551
>Who gave Church the 50 cal?

Still don't understand why they didn't employ tanks and IFVs at least.

Also no Chairforce support until morning.

>>63989344
I was going to correct you with a list of things you obviously missed, but nah you’re right, I can’t think of anything really fascist about the movie. It’s been a long time but from what I remember:
>Wealthy, happy, well educated society
>The military is volunteer and offers great benefits
>Each of our main characters is eager to join and gets a job based on their own merits
>The bugs are unsympathetic cunts undeniably deserving of being destroyed
I think ironically the book did a better job of portraying “le evil fascism”, despite that not being its intentions.

>retarded society that revolves entirely around the military industrial complex
>the gear is overengineered crap totally unfit for purpose
sounds about right

>>63989813
The B plot of this book is absolutely insufferable. It could be edited out entirely and it would be a better book. Did an editor not review this? Most uneven book I’ve ever read

>>63989344
>How the fuck was it fascist
lol

>>63990248
>Most uneven book I’ve ever read
Just wait until you read a book of Chilean topography haha

>>63990149
The book described it too, the Terran Federation was a globalist meritocracy where you had to serve or do public service to get the right to vote and hold public office, and it was created by a group of veterans who were tired of following orders from civilians who never served. Civilians could do just about everything, but suffrage was limited to people with skin in the game.
That's pretty ideal, especially where they'll hang a president for fucking up.

>>63989344
total liberal utopia. very egalitarian
>no racism
>no sexism
>authoritarian, but when have libs ever not been authoritarians

>>63990410
>but when have libs ever not been authoritarians
No lib passed a law requiring me to enter my ID to access a porn website

>>63989542
That's an NV scope, it doesn't have magnification.

>>63990406
>That's pretty ideal
Yeah I love when the government requires you to join the military in order to have any voting power, it's very free

>>63990442
>civil servant
You could theoretically be a postman and vote retard.

>>63990454
You could also just buy the right to vote, showing a certain level of corruption in the system.

>>63989344
>>63989501
>>63989538

Oh boy, I guess I have to spell this out for some of the denser people here. The film is a representation of how a facist government would portray itself for propaganda purposes. Every facet of the film reflects this, the leads are casted to be intentionally vapid 90s teen icons, all of the scenes on earth are shot with even TV lighting and pastel colors, and the plot progression is about how personal relationships and individuality will be sublimated by the will of the state, which is why both of the romantic interests die off and they all transform into perfect caricatures of their assigned roles (soldier, pilot, officer) and lose their individuality.

Verhoeven even spells it out for the dumbass American audience at the end when the film directly talks to them and asks them to join up for the war effort. It's an in-universe propaganda film. If you watched North Korean propaganda without any context you'd also think they were a flawless utopian meritocracy.

>>63990471
This is 4chan brother, you can't make donkeys drink if they aren't thirsty.

>>63990471

>>63990471
There's what Verhoeven was trying to do, and there's what Starship Troopers is.

>>63990496
i never liked the midwit meme
the retard to 90 range is full of selfish assholes
the 90 to 110 range is full of nice, sociable people
the 110 to 140 range is full of selfish assholes, but they are also full of themselves
you only start seeing good people in the majority again once you get to 140+

>>63990248
Did you not enjoy the part where the two storylines merged at least?

>>63990513
As a 110-to-140 I take offense at that. It's not that I'm full of myself, it's that I hate knowing how I'm just short of being actually smart and that I'm never gonna make it, so I have to pretend to keep my self-loathing in check.

>>63990511
You are a surface level consumer

>>63989969
No budget :)
Also
>Bug meatwaves
>No MI artillery
Starship Troopers at least had the excuse that MI drops in via pods and exfils within hours, so no heavy equipment like tanks or artillery. (Your suit is the artillery)

>>63990625
You are a poorly read midwit

>>63990496
>follows it's leadership to war no matter the cost in lives or human individuality.
200+ IQ take, aka mine is that the war is a red herring for the midwits and is actually about science and covid vax.

>>63990442
There were civilian service options but there's a nuance..

>>63990454
You could be a postman and get the vote, but being a postman was intentionally designed to be uncomfortable and dangerous. Letterboxes intentionally designed to mangle hands in the postie was careless, that sort of thing. All the civilian jobs were designed to be as uncomfortable and dangerous as military service.

>>63990471
The films problem is that it conveys its themes and points poorly and requires people to twist themselves in pretzels while overanalysing just to reach Verhoeven's point.
Verhoeven also didn't realize most people wanted to watch a fun movie about splatting bugs, rather than "nazis r bad, muh manifesto" hidden between Denise Richard's fucking amazin tits and abs

>>63990471
>Le fascist propaganda openly admits its fuck-ups, allows civil debates, and allows straight-up rejection of its agenda by the citizens.
You are a mouth-breathing midwit who has zero fucking clue what fascism was and is in real life.
Never mind Hitler and Mussolini, you can take a look at MAGAtrads and do a thought experiment on what would their Verhoeven-style "propaganda" look like.
"If Trump doesn't successfully stop the Russian-Ukrainian war in X days like he promised, we're gonna impeach his ass for incompetence because we're such an amazing meritocratic movement."

Fucking moron.

>>63990725
Damn she was so pretty. She is really ugly now, women are really a bad investment

>>63990736
Is your proposal that starship troopers is an action movie playing it completely straight?

Why didn't they just use a lot of mines and mortars?

>>63990819
The author is long dead. Any meaning is only found in the interpretation of the work.

>>63990471
I fucking LOVE Paul Verhoeven as a director, but Starship Troopers, while entertaining, was not his best movie, his intent as a director is at odds with the source material as well as the actual execution of the film.

I really get what he's trying to do, but because he hadn't actually read or understood the source material, he doesn't do a particularly smart job satirizing it.
Are there some fascist elements to the society in Starship Troopers? It can be argued, but it's not the entire story, it's a very different society compared to what Italy and Germany were and were hoping to be, particularly Germany, as Heinlein makes a big point about the society in the book being decidedly NOT racist.
One of the reveals at the end is that the main character is Hispanic, and the intent with that is to surprise you, that in spite of his racial and cultural heritage, he was ultimately just another man and was treated as such by society.

Robocop and Total Recall are both far smarter films, really two of the best action movies ever made, and which are also much more entertaining (but Starship Troopers is still a fun and enjoyable watch, because he's still got his personal touches).

>>63990736
You are so irrationally angry that you forgot to make even a single compelling point or argument or refute anything that I said. Try again with less vagina sand this time.

>>63989542
but Iceman was constantly using his scope

>>63990689
>but being a postman was intentionally designed to be uncomfortable and dangerous. Letterboxes intentionally designed to mangle hands in the postie was careless, that sort of thing
Do you have a source on that, or a passage from the book that explains this? I don't remember it at all.

>>63990471
>fascism is bad and this whole movie is just one big in-universe propaganda film
>no, we won't give any implications on what's happening in the "real" world, just trust us that things are actually bad and you're a bad person if you think this world is good

>>63990736
>t. has never actually watched a full propaganda film but is pretty sure that he knows the plot of every single one

It's more like if a new figurehead was installed as a token gesture because they needed a person to pin the first battle of Klendathu on, and commissioned a propaganda film to both pin all of the failures on one person, and stoke public anger about the loss of lives as a recruiting tool. Because you're clearly not very bright, it's your assumption that the figurehead simply changing hands is the sign of democracy when in actuality, you only see what the propagandist wants you to see. Such things were common in the soviet union for decades. New guy comes in, pins failures on old guy, but the underlying government structure remains the same.

>>63991468
He was hampered by the fact that the book was dog shit dreamed up by an unironic Nazi admiring hack.

>>63990471
>>63990625
>>63991523
>>63991557
>>63991566
Hi, Paul.

>>63990406
It's also heavily heavily implied the seat of power for the whole federation is based in Scotland, which is funny as fuck.

>>63990471
>The film is a representation of how a facist government would portray itself for propaganda purposes.
LOL! That's rich!!

Hitler slams his fist on the table. "Goebbels" he screams. "Get your ass in here!"

Goebbels enters and, trembling slightly, asks, "y-yes sir? You called?"

"We need a god damn propaganda movie!" Hitler screams. "Something that will motivate the young men of Germany to sign up to fight!"

"w-well sir, we could make a movie about a lad who gets blue balls," Goebbels suggests.

"I'm listening" says Hitler.

"He likes this absolute smoke show, and signs up to fight because of her."

"Genius!" declares Hitler. "But then, she dumps him for another guy, who then flaunts it in front of the main character, and kicks his ass."

"That'll send German boys running to sign up! I love it" says Hitler.

Prologue: German troops never again sing "Erika" (about a girl waiting for them at home). Henceforth, they sing "Carman" which is a song about your girlfriend cheating on you and fucking another guy. It's quite catchy.

>>63990689
>being a postman was intentionally designed to be uncomfortable and dangerous.
Anon... are you high? That was never in the book.

>>63991676
>"Carman" which is a song about your girlfriend cheating on you and fucking another guy. It's quite catchy.

Car...man's get-ting railed by ano....ther guy *boom* *boom* *boom* *boom*

Slap her ass *boom* *boom* *boom* *boom*

I'm a cuck! *boom* *boom* *boom* *boom*
iTs pRopaGaNDa frOM a FAscIST pErSpectiVE!!!

>>63989717
Just say you dont know much

>>63989344
The bugs are not coming to kill humans. Humans are going to bug planets, getting outraged when the bugs kill them, and using it as justification to kill more bugs. The meteor strike that hits Earth isn't even caused by the bugs, it was quite literally random but the government blamed them for it for propaganda purposes.

>>63990149
People/commentators on the movie and even the book, have lacked the political sciences knowledge to really have a proper opinion. Instead it's based on media, imagery and the commentator's own prejudices.
These people see any uniforms, and any government that's not barbarian kings (GoT), multiracial democracy with a Strong Black Woman in charge (all other media) is immediately suspect. This is also why that kid a couple years ago got in trouble with his school for dressing up as an East German soldier and signing their old national anthem - people are too fucking stupid to understand the difference between Communism, Nazism, and Fascism.
So, back to Starship Troopers, Heinlein is writing about a democracy in the strictest, Greek, sense, in which citizenship is restricted to those who earned it. In this case, the government is made up of people in uniform under a military code. It's a democratic military government, and that's too much for smallbrained people to understand.
I can't imagine how they'd describe the Shogunate.

>>63990469
No, that's realism and meritocratic. You still have to pass the citizenship test, too. It's about having skin in the game.

>>63991694
>The bugs are not coming to kill humans.
nope. Watch the movie again.

The chronology in the movie is out of order. The first scene is klendathu ...but then after that we go back in time a full year.

If you put the movie into chronological order, the first thing that happens is
- the federation sets up a quarantine zone in order to stay out of the bug's way - to explicitly avoid a conflict
- mormon extremists violate federation law and set up a colony inside the quarantine zone
- the federation does NOT retaliate
- the bug meteor hits earth
- the federation attacks klendathu ...and gets their ass kicked
- the military leader (the sky martial) is fired (I point this out because holding people accountable for failure is explicitly NOT what fascist governments do)
- the federation attacks planet P in order to capture a brain bug

>>63991694
The bugs literally set traps to lure humans in so they can kill them. They have a bug specifically designed to suck brains out of skulls for intelligence gathering purposes. In the second movie they have a body snatcher bug that they use to infiltrate human groups. They very much hate humanity and kill humans any chance they get.

Also, "BA was an inside job" is a fan theory that's never been proven or disproven afaik.

>>63987655
>>63990471
The movie started production under the title 'Bug Hunt at Outpost 9', the bug designs are leftovers from the Tremors movies. SST is just an action movie they bolted a famous book title onto so 'intellectuals' could feel kosher buying a ticket to a perfectly enjoyable plain SFX spectacle. Verhoeven not reading the book was not some 'epic anti fascism', it was simply not needed - the scenes were already written before anyone thought of using the book (and the ignoring of it) for marketing. The structure of the movie perfectly reflects this. First half for 'this is totally a criticism guys, don't panic about enjoying cool aliens, big guns and hot chicks' and second half for 'this is what we wanted to make all along'. Hilariously it permanently tainted Heinlein as a fascist because nobody reads books.

>>63991704
>multiracial democracy with a Strong Black Woman in charge
Ironically, the Federation in the movie IS INDEED a multiracial democracy with a strong black woman in charge.

After the lose the battle of Klendathu, the sky marshal resigns and the new leader is a black woman (pic related). The only sequence is very, very NOT fascist.

military failure ---> leadership held accountable ---> new leader is a black woman

It's crazy to me that people think that's a fascist state.

>>63991694
>>63991726
If we're acknowledging the existence of 2, I have to bring up that the bugs explicitly state in 2 that they're trying to exterminate humanity because they find the concept of non-hive mind intelligence terrifying.

>>63990689
Cool headcanon.
>>63990828
Or RAID. Kills bugs dead.

The one takeaway you should have from this movie is that aesthetics trumps all. You make something look cool, and people will go nuts over it. You make something look uncool, and people will hate it. Morality and reason simply don’t matter as much as perception.

>>63991726
Buenos Aires wasn't an inside job. It was LITERALLY just a random meteor strike. The government blamed the bugs because it was convenient.

And no, bugs are not invading human worlds. They don't go to human planets to hunt humans. Humans go to their planets and die, and then get offended by that. The bugs are quite literally just defending themselves while the world government paints them as evil monsters to justify a unifying war and silence dissent. Without a war, citizenship requiring service makes no sense, or at least becomes more egalitarian by requiring a larger number of voters to do alternatives to military service, where they are not by requirement brainwashed into supporting the military (who is basically a political party).

>>63991749
>aesthetics trumps all
And people misinterpret aestethetics all the time - look at the fluff over Roger Waters.

>>63991712
You dropped the line that the bugs massacred the mormons which is what the federation did not retaliate against

>>63991730
The book was meant as a civics lesson for twelve-year olds and that literary DNA still shows through in the movie.
This idea that the movie started as a different bugsplat story based on Armor makes a lot of sense in this regard. Armor, of course, being another (unintential according to Steakley) attempt to rewrite Starship Troopers.
Bugs vs Space Marines isn't a trope, it's timeless.
>>63991764
Insectoid feelers typed this out.

>>63991764
>It was LITERALLY just a random meteor strike.


Also, as a sign of their abundant pacifism, the bugs have evolved to suck out other species brains for intelligence and perform mind control.

>>63991764
>It was LITERALLY just a random meteor strike.
If your position depends on you making up stuff that's not in the movie, then your position is really weak.

The movie says that the bugs did it. Yes, I know that our modern understanding of physics makes that seem silly - just like how our modern understanding of physics means that Han Solo bragging the the Falcon goes "point 5 past light speed" means it would """only""" take a couple of years to get to the next star - i.e. it's not a fast speed and thus doesn't make sense, so it's silly.

But that doesn't mean Han Solo's character is lying. It just means George Lucas is not sufficiently scientifically literate. Lucas' intent was the the Falcon can fly to another star quickly.

In Starship Troopers, the intent is that the bugs sent the meteor. There's no contrary evidence at all.

>>63991787
>You dropped the line that the bugs massacred the mormons which is what the federation did not retaliate against
yes, quite right. Thank you.

The guy who claimed that the movie itself is propaganda from within a fascist state is just a retard. "Our own people were killed but we're not going to fight back" is not at all what a fascist state would include in their own propaganda film!

It was a time when elaborate CGI spectaculars could draw audiences to the movies.
Those who got to see it on the big screen back then and experience the excitement must have been very lucky.

>>63991764
>It was LITERALLY just a random meteor strike.
One of the main themes of the story is that humanity constantly underestimates the bugs and suffers for it. You're unironically doing what they did.

>bugs are not invading human worlds.
yeah it's almost like there's a QUARANTINE ZONE centered around KLENDATHU specifically created to make sure humans worlds aren't close enough to bug worlds to be in danger.

>The bugs are quite literally just defending themselves
They slaughtered a entire colony that had no ties to the Federation with little to no weapons just for being on their territory.

>the world government paints them as evil monsters
Would you consider a race of animals that kill humans every chance they get in incredibly painful and violent ways to be the good guys?

>Without a war, citizenship requiring service makes no sense
The entire point of citizenship requiring service is that it show that you're willing to put something other than yourself first. This is quite literally the main reason it exists and it's mentioned several times in the book.

>>63991764
>It was LITERALLY just a random meteor strike.
The movie doesn't suggest anyhting like that.
More importantly Verhoeven himself explicitly states that it was send by the bugs.
https://twitter.com/memeticsisyphus/status/1759624216259785177

>>63991814
>The entire point of citizenship requiring service is that it show that you're willing to put something other than yourself first. This is quite literally the main reason it exists and it's mentioned several times in the book.
Exactly! The book specifically mentions that everyone, regardless of physical disability, has the right to try for citizenship. The book says that you could be in a wheelchair but when you sign up, they have to take you, and then they have to find some job for you that will make it clear that you earned your citizenship.

When they're not at war, it's the bootcamp that makes the service hard for most people.

Also, the guy who said "Without a war, citizenship requiring service makes no sense" is missing an important point: during war, you don't get to leave the military! Source: https://starshiptroopers.fandom.com/wiki/Federal_Service#Oath

Quote: "for a term of not less than two years and as much longer as may be required by the needs of the service"

If they were constantly at war, then nobody would ever get out and be a citizen! And if that was the case, I promise you, nobody would ever sign up!

There is also text in the book specifically about how their system of government PREVENTS war. See, they can't have a draft. It's against their constitution. Thus, they can only fight wars that are sufficiently popular that people sign up for them. They can't have a vietnam.

Ah the eternal Starship Troopers discourse.
Paul Verhoeven, bless him, I hope he understands at least in some small way why he was wrong and why the movie is appealing, and why he disgraced the book, before he dies.

>>63991838
But see the movie isnt the book!!! Even though anyone who actually cares about the movie, which are predominantly going to be a certain type of 12-20 year old males, are -going- to read the book after seeing the movie. Much like Fight Club types.
What the type of people to proclaim an audience lack of understanding don't understand is the people they are really influencing go far deeper and broader, naturally, than some 'watch and throwaway" consumer.
Ultimately the intention of Heinlein's discourse asserts itself. Verhoeven, bless him, is a fool to even at the absolute most giving assumption I can make, fool himself into thinking he is subverting the message of the content for something else.

But maybe we're all just crazy and Pauly boy enacted a masterstroke of meta-discussion much like how people to this day analyze The Thing...

>>63990471
>If you watched North Korean propaganda without any context you'd also think they were a flawless utopian meritocracy.
It’s literally 1:1. Just swap bugs for le ebil HATO.

>>63991764
>muh meteor
Lmao the meteor is literally a plot point for the bugs being smarter than animals, the whole point of the scene directly prior, sucking off Carmen for rerouting the ship's course to be more efficient than her teacher and the accompanying pilot savant wank was to slap you about the head and neck with the bugs using the same hyper efficient route to hurl their attack meteors.

>>63991838
>during war, you don't get to leave the military!
While this is technically correct, it's stated in the book that any MI who refuses to drop is kicked out of the service. You obviously would likely lose your bid at citizenship along with it, but that's at least one way out. The Federation only wants people in the military that actually WANT to be there.

>>63990471
>a representation of how a facist government would portray itself
Except fascists are quite proud of the fact they're run by a despot, people can't vote, the dysgenic are eliminated etc. and make quite a fuss about it. Why would they censor all that for internal propaganda and instead show their own society with all the stuff fascists like to remove? It doesn't make any sense.

>>63991881
Important part being that in the book refusing to drop is not treated as something dishonorable
>The M. I. is the smallest army in history for the size of the population it guards. You can’t buy an M. I., you can’t conscript him, you can’t coerce him — you can’t even keep him if he wants to leave. He can quit thirty seconds before a drop, lose his nerve and not get into his capsule, and all that happens is that he is paid off and can never vote.

>no air support
>no armor
>no heavy weapons
>no battle plan
>no units or tactics
>just meatwave zerg rush
Xaxaxaxa those filthy bugs will pay! Bug homeworld in 2 days!!!!

>>63987965
>Budget prop made poorly
Wouldn't even surprise me.

>>63987648 (OP)
The thought process is that the humans are absolutely unprepared to deal with the bugs. They use gear and weaponry made to combat other humans, and they refuse to change tactics until they get a bloody nose at klendathu, at which point they still use the same tactics but because it's a movie they win

>>63991970
They had flying bugs
They had tank sized armored bugs that could spit incendiary acid and burrow underground
They had bugs that could shoot plasma out of their asses as artillery and anti air units
They are always coordinated by brain bugs and don't need intel or communication, cause they're all telepathically puppeteered by a hive mind

What now, humie?

Posted with no comment.

>>63987648 (OP)
>be Paul Verhoeven
>"le war is le bad, le war leads to le fascism"
>films a snarky satire jab at "duh systum"
>military recruiting hits all-time highs

Also
>be Paul Verhoeven
>"le police state and le corporate fascism is le bad. Consumer culture is le bad"
>writes a snarky satire jab at "Duh System"
>Creates fucking Robocop
>police recruitment hits all-time highs

Maybe Paul should try making a film that's more direct with its insults rather than producing dope kino that feeds the very beasts that keep him awake at night.

If everything I did had the opposite effect intended, I'd fucking kill myself lmao

>>63991997
>he thinks I’m talking about the bugs

>>63992006
>robocop
He made the zog slave enforcer look too cool

>>63992006
Verhoeven didn't write Robocop, he blew off the script on the title alone without reading it, until his wife picked it out of the trash, read it, and told him he should give it a chance because she thought it was amazing.

Also police themselves aren't really depicted as evil or 'fascist' in the movie, not at all, rather they are a remaining force for good and order in a society where crime has escalated beyond all reason, and where a crooked megacorporation exploits both the police and gang criminals for the sake of profits.
Robocop as a character is also intended to be an allegory for Jesus Christ.
Verhoeven is definitely a socialist of some kind, but he does not seem to me to be the kind of radical anarchist socialist who thinks there should be no police or law.

>>63990471
Fuck off, turdie autist. We know. Most of us have actually read the book as well, unlike your pseudointellectual ass.
Verhoeven's version is slop trying to present itself as serious in a meta way.
Heinlein is so serious as to border on slop at times.

>>63991566
Trannie teenager tier take.

>>63990725
Get fucked, cuck. /k/ is a Flores board.

>>63992099
that's the kind of gal who makes squad leader

>>63991543
It's definitely in the book, but the example given is mining.

>>63991677
>>63991737
It's 100% in the book. The postman example was mine because someone mentioned postmen earlier in the thread.

>>63992360
Oh so it's just lies, got it.

>>63991543
>>63991677
>>63991737
You faggots are fucking stupid.
>"But if you want to serve and I can't talk you out of it, then we have to take you, because that's your constitutional right. It says that everybody, male or female, should have his born right to pay his service and assume full citizenship — but the facts are that we are getting hard pushed to find things for all the volunteers to do that aren't just glorified KP. You can't all be real military men; we don't need that many and most of the volunteers aren't number-one soldier material anyhow...[W]e've had to think up a whole list of dirty, nasty, dangerous jobs that will ... at the very least make them remember for the rest of their lives that their citizenship is valuable to them because they've paid a high price for it ... A term of service is ... either real military service, rough and dangerous even in peacetime ... or a most unreasonable facsimile thereof."
Fleet SGT Ho, Chapter 2

There's other passages discussing it too. Have you ever seen such utter FAGGOTS be so utterly confident and utterly wrong at the same time. Scuttle off in shame now, don't even bother responding me to me. I wouldn't want (You)s from lowly bottom feeding scum like you anyway.

>>63992365
HAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHA
EAT SHIT FAGGOT

See >>63992383
Now fuck off you pathetic little BITCH

>>63992383
Okay but where are the blender letterboxes

>>63992383
Doesn't say anything about mailboxes mangling hands.

>>63992403
>>63992405
>ACKSHEWERLLY IT'S NOT THE EXACT EXAMPLE YOU USED
Shut up and fuck off. I already said I made up a specific example because I couldn't remember the exact one used in the book.

>>63992383
>>63992421
Okay but where's the-
>I lied but you're still wrong
kys

>>63992383
I mean, it does least let garbagemen, construction workers, linemen, and other blue collar jobs get you citizenship after you finish your contracted term.

>>63992383
>>63992389
>civil worker path is hard
Getting put into a construction brigade is not the same thing as having your hand cut off by a mailbox because everything needs to be dangerous. I remembered the Sgt Ho quote but that's a speech against office busy work, not deliberately mutilating people.

>>63992364
>>63992360
>>63990689
why even bother bullshitting?

>I asked one of the doctors what percentage of the victims flunked the physical. He looked startled.
>"Why, we never fail anyone. The law doesn’t permit us to."
>"Huh? I mean, Excuse me, Doctor? Then what’s the point of this goose-flesh parade?"
>"Why, the purpose is," he answered, hauling off and hitting me in the knee with a hammer (I kicked him, but not hard), "to find out what duties you are physically able to perform. But if you came in here in a wheel chair and blind in both eyes and were silly enough to insist on enrolling, they would find something silly enough to match. Counting the fuzz on a caterpillar by touch, maybe. The only way you can fail is by having the psychiatrists decide that you are not able to understand the oath."

Service is harsh, service is unpleasant, but it is not necessarily dangerous. Service is above all *sacrifice*. That's the whole point of it: only those who can self-sacrifice are granted political rights, and they try everything they can to convince you to not bother (everything except explicitly refusing you to try).

>>63992428
>>63992437
>The absolute autism of midwits proven wrong
Truly awe inspiring. Someone earlier in the thread mentioned postmen, I posted about how you might make it " rough and dangerous even in peacetime ... or a most unreasonable facsimile thereof."
It's like you faggots have never had a real conversation before.

>>63992383
>>63992421
There's are examples that are actually in the book of things like unskilled labor jobs and weapons testing you could have used to make the point about civil service being potentially dangerous instead of making one up, you absolute faggot.

>>63992447
>You could be a postman and get the vote, but being a postman was intentionally designed to be uncomfortable and dangerous. Letterboxes intentionally designed to mangle hands in the postie was careless, that sort of thing. All the civilian jobs were designed to be as uncomfortable and dangerous as military service.

>claims he posted a " it might be" statement
>actual post implies something that exists in-universe despite no actual proof

>>63992006
why are eurinals like this?

>>63992449
>>63992445
I'm sorry your autism caused you to get fixated on a hypothetical I made up because I don't remember the book well enough (but still better than you) to give the specific examples.
How are you retards not able to understand the central thrust of my argument? That the point was that there was a route to citizenship for everybody but they'd make you pay in sweat and blood for it.

>>63992460
>This level of autism
Inspiring. It's a mystery why people avoid you in social situations.

>thread ruined by one autistic retard
A tale as old as time

>>63992476
>uhuh ackshewerlly youre the autist
I'm sorry you got proved wrong, and then had to double down on a minor point to protect your ego. Maybe you should try to be less confidently a moron in future? Might not sting as much then when you get proven wrong, which is likely to happen a lot because you are, as said, a moron.

>the reason the Federation wants war with the bugs is because they're actually controlled by another race of aliens, it's in the book look it up
>I don't know why you guys are getting on me about this, I was just making a hypothetical

>>63992489
Niced strawman, but it doesn't really work because... you're making up a hypothetical as your central position. Whereas the central premise of my argument (there's a route to citizenship through service for everyone but they'll make you pay for it in sweatand blood) is actually EXPLICITLY in the book and I made up a hypothetical to ILLUSTRATE it.
God you're a moron. You can't even strawman someone's argument correctly. Because you're not able to conceptualize what's a central argument and what's an illustrating point. Because you have no theory of mind and no ability to follow a logical progression of arguments.

>>63992447
>Truly awe inspiring
Yes, this thread is.

>>63992464
No,you introduced the blenderbox for letters.

>there's a route to citizenship through service for everyone but they'll make you pay for it in sweat and blood
>instead of using one of the numerous examples of federal service in the book that might be hard and/or dangerous, I'll make one up and call it a "hypothetical" instead of a lie
>I'll even post the part of the book that I think supports my argument, realize it doesn't, and double down instead of admitting I lied
>I am very intelligent

>>63992464
Or maybe the issue with your hypothetical was that it completely mischaracterizes the nature of civilian service?
Field testing survival equipment because lab tests are insufficient is substantially different from intentionally mutilating postmen because "suffering build character" or some other shit.
It is just inherently risky shit like underwater welding.
And just to be clear, the book does not suggest that they don't have functional already tested equipment as back up in case the experimental stuff fails.

>>63992519
>I'll even post the part of the book that I think supports my argument, realize it doesn't,
Lmao, in what way does the part I posted not support my CENTRAL point?
You are actually, genuinely an idiot. How do you even progress through life?

>make argument
>post lie as support for said argument
>triple down when people point out I lied

>>63992524
>.[W]e've had to think up a whole list of dirty, nasty, dangerous jobs
That's the quote. They are -creating- dangerous, pointless jobs that don't actually need to be done by men. The mining could be done by robots. The field tests aren't necessary. It's exactly the same thing as I said and you are simply being obtuse to cover the fact that you forgot a central point of the book and you got rekt. Your ego doesn't allow you to be wrong so you argue endlessly over this pointless detail rather than accept you were wrong. It's sad actually. Well funny to me, but sad for you.

>>63992550
>That's the quote. They are -creating- dangerous, pointless jobs that don't actually need to be done by men
And WHY are they doing this, anon? Why specifically? I'd like an actual answer backed by actual text from the book instead of another one of your "hypotheticals" this time, please.

>you forgot a central point of the book and you got rekt
ironic

>>63992550
> They are -creating- dangerous, pointless jobs that don't actually need to be done by men.
Remedial reading class might be required for you. They're thinking of a list of jobs, they're not inventing them. They're thinking of "digging tunnels on Luna", not "mining for headlight fluid and we're putting land mines in the tunnels so that it's extra dangerous"

>>63992561
>And WHY are they doing this, anon? Why specifically?
Are you serious? It's been covered already in this thread I'm sure, but it's obviously because they believe hardship attaches innate value to something, that citizenship and the right to vote is given more value and more thought if purchased through hardship. And that it selects for individuals who are willing to sacrifice for the greater good.

>>63992561
nta but it is because constitutionally they are forced to find something even for the lowliest retard.
All while facing the issue of it becoming a fad and getting overrun by people that don't actually care about it.
>Because it has become stylish, with some people — too many people — to serve a term and earn a franchise and be able to wear a ribbon in your lapel which says that you’re a vet’ran... whether you’ve ever seen combat or not.
>But if you want to serve and I can’t talk you out of it, then we have to take you, because that’s your constitutional right. It says that everybody, male or female, shall have his born right to pay his service and assume full citizenship but the facts are that we are getting hard pushed to find things for all the volunteers to do that aren’t just glorified K. P.
>You can’t all be real military men; we don’t need that many and most of the volunteers aren’t number-one soldier material anyhow.

>>63992573
No you might just be a moron. Ironic that you should mention remedial reading class.
>W]e've had to think up a whole list of dirty, nasty, dangerous jobs
>Think UP
Here's Marriams dictionary definition of the phrase
>informal
>: to use one's mind to form or invent (something)
Oh look at that word. That word you specifcally used. Innnnnveeeeennntt! INVENT
YOU FAGGOT HAIR SPLITTING RETARD!
HAAHAHAAHAHAHA UI DEFEAT YOU EVERY FUCKING TIME! YOU GET MORE AND MORE OBTUSE AND ABSTRACT TO TRY AND EKE OUT A WIN EVERY POST AND I STILL FUCKING OWN YOU!

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
You're pathetic. And I'm smarter than you. And I know that burns, because you've probably built a lot of self image on the idea you're smart, but you're not you're just a bog standard internet autist midwit lmao
I don't have any more time to bounce a ball off your face though, so peace out and enjoy the knowledge I'm better than you.

Weapons?

>>63990471
>It's an in-universe propaganda film. If you watched North Korean propaganda without any context you'd also think they were a flawless utopian meritocracy
If the perfect society existed and put out an honest documentary would you be able to tell if it was too good to be true or not?
If Verhoeven wanted it to be obvious that the society didn't really exist and is actually some nightmare putting out propaganda, sci-fi was the wrong shop to go to.
If you apply the death of the author treatment there's nothing within the fictional world of the movie to prove that the fictional society isn't just actually as awesome as it portrays itself.
I choose the unintended face value interpretation of the film not for some political reason but simply because nothing makes a story boring like "this is all a dream and none of this actually happened". The 140IQ take will always be to root for Johnny and enjoy the tits and dead bugs.

>>63990513
It uses the reddit man, that should be a massive red flag in of itself.

>>63991730
That would imply fascism is inherently racist and corrupt.
Take that as you will.

>>63992067
This, the corporations were always the bad people while the cops were doing the best they could with the shit hand they were dealt.
Unlike reality where cops are corrupt as hell and would all be like Duffy or on OCP's take.
Didn't the reboot have Murphy get sold out by corrupt cops?

>>63992659
>there's nothing within the fictional world of the movie to prove that the fictional society isn't just actually as awesome as it portrays itself.
This is really what destroys the whole "it's a propaganda film!" narrative. That might have been the intention, sure, but we have no evidence that it's true. We just have a bunch of people going "well actually this good thing is really bad because they MIGHT be doing something bad!"

Then of course they'll counter that with something like "blahblahblah a propaganda film wouldn't make itself look bad blahblahblah" so it's ultimately useless dealing with these kind of people at all.

>all this sperging just because anons are unable to pick up on context clues and subtext
Autism, not even once.

>>63992586
Some Anon, maybe a decade and a half ago, summarized it this way:
>if you're a limbless man, we'll find you a job, of looking at pictures from an observatory, to find differences in them, for two whole years. If you can do that and not give up, you've earned that goddamn right to vote.

>>63992597

>>63989582
>The libs don’t want you to know this but the child doctor prodigy to gay nazi psychic pipeline is very real and it can happen to your child, I’ve lost two kids to it myself.

>>63989626
He also occasionally harasses a jeet and a gook (brothers just want some white castle for God’s sake!)

>>63993196
>>63992586
Wasn't there also a case where if you were mentally retarded, the Federation would still find something you were able to do, even if it was just counting matches?
Seems more like 'From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs' Marxism rather than fascism.

>>63991726
>They very much hate humanity and kill humans any chance they get.
I don’t think the bugs are capable of hate, they are an invasive species that views us as a competing species that is a threat and needs to be wipe out.
In a way we are one of those Leopards that wander into a jeet city and all those jeets trying to bash it to death with stick and rocks are the Arachnids

>>63993661
No they actually are. The Bugs view us how we view intestinal parasites, they view us as insane disgusting creatures that NEED to genocided or we will genocide them. The bugs require the same biospheres we do, and unlike us will strip them to lifeless deserts (like the USSR's Urial Sea) to produce as many Bugs as possible to then spread across the stars.

>>63992659
>>63993035
Have you considered that you're exactly the kind of midwits that were filtered by the colorful visuals, sex appeal, and cheap violence to supporting a fictional government unconditionally without knowing anything other than a highly doctored version of events? You are blaming him for not spelling it out more for you when really, it is blatantly obvious if you have above mediocre intelligence. This is one situation where I will side with the artist over the audience no matter how many people bitch about it, because the audience should simply be smarter. His only mistake was giving you mouthbreathing action movie loving numbskulls too much credit to be able to sniff out a very obvious attempt at manipulation. The most laughable premise of your argument is that you unironically believe that a truly perfect, flawless society is even possible, and that this is a documentary. You completely proved his point. There are two kinds of people who watch Starship Troopers, the ones who actually buy the bridge, and those who understand who is selling it.

>B-but the book

Nobody gives a shit about the stupid book. It's garbage.

>>63992597
I'm not that anon and I don't have the slightest idea what actual thing from the book that you are arguing about but I just wanted to say that you've made perhaps the most embarrassing post on the entire website. This has serious copypasta potential and I'm hoping it was meant to be ironic.

I must share something with you. Intelligent, successful people do not spend greater than 10 minutes authoring a megalomaniacal rant about how intelligent they are on the basis of their knowledge of a mediocre paperback novel from 1959. From just your post alone, I have surmised that you have never worked in any meaningfully intellectual field, nor do you have a graduate education, nor do you have a house, or a significant other. You have no meaningful life accomplishments, and you also probably have borderline personality disorder and probably are supposed to be on a mood stabilizer which you do not take. You have a fragile ego, and likely struggle with interpersonal relationships because you have a superiority-inferiority complex related to all of the above. You see, normal people don't put this much stake in winning an internet argument about something so trivial, and it certainly takes a high level of insecurity to do a victory lap claiming that you're better and smarter than someone because you know more about Starship Troopers (the novel). To do so essentially screams to the world that you're a failure at anything meaningful-- otherwise, you'd be bragging about that instead.

>>63994243
>Nobody gives a shit about the stupid book
Why would anyone give a shit about some faggot director?
>b-but, muh media literacy, you just don't have the media literacy for some retarded youtube video of a hack just making shit up for pseudointellectual engagement-bait for twice the runtime of the movie
>y-you need a high IQ to understand the whiny director whose original job was just to make a bug-killing scifi B flick and then slapped on some bullshit to make it seem deep to reddit pseuds!

>>63994284
>not that anon
Doubtful.

> I have surmised that you have never worked in any meaningfully intellectual field, nor do you have a graduate education, nor do you have a house, or a significant other.
Wrong on all of those I'm afraid

The seethe is real. You really went away and seethed for like 12 hours and came back with this pop psych analysis. Weak. Reality is I'm just an asshole, and shitposting and dabbing on morons like you is my outlet away from real life.

>>63991712
>the bug meteor
The meteor was a false flag

>>63994364
You're a faggot. Their invention of the jobs is due to the fact that the Service in their world is not a duty but a right. They even say that if some blind and deaf paraplegic came in and wanted citizenship that they would come up with something for him to do, such as "counting the hairs on a caterpillar" simply because it's his right.

It's not meant to be easy and they don't compel people to join, which is exactly why that guy in the MI doesn't wear his prosthetics (They were also much more advanced in the book) while working at the desk. It's why his teacher doesn't tell him to join but wants him to decide for himself, even though joining for some whore is dumb. It's his right to make the dumb choice, which is something that redditards and nanny-state yuro-peons will never understand.
Also it's funny you post that picture because you talk like a faggot. Like some redditor spouting passive-aggressive seethe while desperately pretending he's not mad.

>>63994374
It wasn't and even that fucking hack Veorhoven said it wasn't. It's only retards on reddit who spout that. They lick Veorhoven's boots about
>it's da ebul nahtzees!!
while simultaneously citing death of the author once his words don't line up with their reddit/youtube mEdIa LiTeRaCy pseudointellectualism.

>>63994389
>You're a faggot (Here's all the exact points you made earlier, presented as if you weren't actually making them)
Are you retarded?

>>63994434
Well, I'll be honest with you, anon; I only skimmed your guys' conversation.
You seriously talk like a faggot, however. Just look at your faggy posts. >>63992597 >>63994364 If you read this shit in an archive a year from now, you'd fucking cringe.

>>63994389
>Veorhoven said it wasn't
Prove it

What makes people so angry about this film
It's a dry satire, what more is there to meaningfully say

>>63989344
No democracy
Fascism is the belief that not everyone deserves good governance, the phrase "no citizenship without service" is a good example of that line of thinking in action

>>63994374
See >>63991823

>>63994462
>What makes people so angry about this film
I think it's the fact that there's a political ideology in the modern world that is founded on the principle of twisting reality. For about a century now, this ideology has been inventing more and more stupid things and demanding that people believe it.

It's basically a humiliation ritual that you have to pass in order to join this ideology. You have to demonstrate that you're willing to look at something that is clearly black, and humiliate yourself by saying "it's white" if the party tells you it's white.

And so that's why we have so many people saying that race is a "social construct" and that men can get pregnant.

...and then we come to this movie. There's no fascism in the movie. There's nothing overtly objectionable about their society. But the members of this ideology confidently declare ***what they've been told to declare*** - that black is white, that up is down, that the federation is fascist.

And so naturally, people who haven't succumb to the humiliation ritual tell them that they're full of shit.

>>63994460
>>>/wsg/5925122
Here he is sympathizing with the bugs and talking about how ebul the federation is for twisting history by not feeling guilty for some mormons acting on their own initiative and settling in bug space.
Truly, the Federation (or the Fascistation as we should call it, right, comrades?) should have accepted the annihilation of Buenos Aires as just deserts for the awful imperialistic actions of a small colony of literally-whos that decided to settle in bug space without impetus from the federation and who were already killed in retaliation.

>>63994487
>I think it's the fact that there's a political ideology in the modern world that is founded on the principle of twisting reality. For about a century now, this ideology has been inventing more and more stupid things and demanding that people believe it.
But enough about conservatism.

>>63994508
>seething this hard
Lol, lamo.

>>63990513
>you only start seeing good people in the majority again once you get to 140+
That may be true of your culture but it's not universal.
There's nicer and more trusting cultures.

>>63994243
>noooo the artist is right
Despite him not reading or understanding the source material, despite him portraying the Federation in a flattering light for all objective reality? The only way you can view the Federation unfavorably is by blind obedience to aesthetics or outright sympathy for the Bugs.

The Federation is honestly the best possible government for humanity, everything else relies on outright plot armor or turn into dystopian governments.

>>63994284
>this level of projection
WEW LAD

>>63991730
>It's crazy to me that people think that's a fascist state
It's just the militaristic aesthetic, which fascists always go way harder on than democrats.

The Federation may well be a militaristic democracy but they definitely use fascist messaging and domestic propaganda.
The conflation isn't unreasonable when seen in that light.

>>63991704
>Heinlein
But he didn't make the film.

>the cgi cartoon series was on way past school started on the weekday
>it was fucking actually really good
>dad starts asking me to record it for him so he can watch it too.

funny watching these serious cartoons for kids back in the day during the school day schedule in the late 90s.

>>63992659
>>63993035

Here's a video that addresses both "the movie isn't a propaganda" and "the government in the movie is awesome" claims

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auoz8XQ2gQ4

Or just look at this one minute scene and count how many messages it tells the audience

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b07887ZzKiw

>>63994660
>Blatant (actual) redditspacing
>Here's a couple of retards on youtube making content for pseudointellectuals that I'm parroting
It's like you're deliberately trying to be a caricature of this picture and post >>63994361

>>63994696
Not only that, the scene in the second video doesn't even support his argument. The "message" is a very straightforward "war is hell, giant space bugs are scary, and the Mobile Infantry are suffering losses". Nothing to do with fascism.
>and the plot progression is about how personal relationships and individuality will be sublimated by the will of the state, which is why both of the romantic interests die off and they all transform into perfect caricatures of their assigned roles (soldier, pilot, officer) and lose their individuality.
Because war is hell, people die, and the only character development allowed is getting increasingly good at your job. Again, very straightforward, nothing to do with fascism or propaganda.
This Redditfag is a goddamn idiot.

>>63990471
Both the book and the movie are less about fascism and more about Neo-Conservatism to me IMO. The Terran Federation could be any western liberal democracy if it decided that its example is something to be enforced, instead of aspired to.

>>63994696
>>63994696

Right, so you're not going to address the points made in the first video and apparently analysing a one minute video goes above your heads so let me do this for you:

>the officer address the group as "fresh mean for the grinder"
>he quips at the girl, either referring to the fact the navy is taking heavy losses or that she won't end up in the brutal ground combat
>military intelligence is referred to as "games and theory". This poor attempt at masking its true purpose is immediately decoded by the characters, so why is it named like that? The fact that something as dangerous and far-reaching is replaced with an innocent term is telling, as is its association with children. The obvious parallel would be 1984 with a similar naming convention (particularly it's ministries "of love/peace") - everyone knows their true purpose but everyone plays along... for a reason
>Carl's reaction to finding out he will have power over others, including a military veteran who lost 3 limbs speaks for itself. As does the "mobile infantry made me the man I am today" quote and Rico's reaction.

I can understand fans of the book being pissed because the movie leaves out the context, namely the deliberateness of the act, which dramatically changes the tone. However, we're talking about the movie: as an adaptation, it's free to take its own course and it's very (well, apparently not) clear the movie government is pretty fucking shit at its job. I cannot imagine seeing the final sequence with Rico addressing actual kids and thinking "damn, those guys are doing great!".

But no, instead of presenting your case it's better to call me a redditor (incorrectly too, because my post wasn't an example of "reddit spacing"). I'm curious, why aren't you calling >>63993035 a redditor as well? Is it because it agrees with your sentiment? Finally, congratulations for falling for an astroturfed movement ("4chan vs reddit") peddled by /pol/

>>63990471
>Childbirth is being controlled by the state
>The state is being controlled by the military
>Your worth to the military decides your worth as a person
>All media is state controlled propaganda
>They have a giant anti asteroid space station but dont shot the one asteroid they need for a reason to go to war
>They actively sent settlers without protection into the territory of the bugs before the war started
>They dont care about the soldiers and sent them with shitty support into suicide missions
>They use the doomed to failurre massive first attack to get even more resources to wage the war
>They have telepathy and can manipulate humans (This one is a little more hidden)
>No promotion of Johnny Rico was earned. SL->was Dizzy, Corporal->holder died, Sergeant->holder died, Lieutenant->holder died
>Rico was not interested in the military and only joined because gf, later wanted to leave, successful false flag attack made him join up again
>All the main characters lose their individuality in the movie and are complete brain washed military bots in the end. The machinery destroys you as a human and makes you a tool

>>63987648 (OP)
To help you shoot bugs from far away, where they can't melee you.

>>63994869
>the points made in the first video
I don't give a fuck what cunts on youtube are doing. If you lack the ability to make a proper argument stand on its own merits and merely parrot youtubers, then your opinion is irrelevant.

>its association with children
I see you/they are already resorting to >muh chilluns
>because the movie leaves out the context
>So we made up our own context where instead of the perfectly reasonable explanation the book had, we come up with one convenient to our preconceived notions of da ebul nahtzees
>How do we know? Because he put Neil Patrick Harris in an SS uniform! Peak political satire!

>the movie government... shit at its job
Then I suppose that rather than "War is hell"; you'd say that people dying in Saving Private Ryan is also political satire meant to portray the allies as incompetent?
You seem to misunderstand the crux of this conversation. Nobody is denying that Verhoeven TRIED to make satire. We're saying he was a hack and failed at it. He didn't satirize fascism because the picture he painted was not one of fascism. He sure as fuck didn't satirize the book, considering he didn't get more than a couple fucking chapters into it.

>incorrectly too
The issue of redditspacing became relevant precisely because of tourists in that time period. Look at you putting another linebreak under (You)s despite the fact that it's unnecessary. You can even compare your own posts to others in this thread and see that nobody but tourists like you do it.

>No, you see, it's astroturfing by /pol/ that makes you lack any respect for a shithole filled with bootlickers where dissent is silenced and publicity of a post is determined by upvotes
>Your presence on a site known for its anonymity, where posts are to be judged by their content rather than the identity of the poster or the opinions of the masses is merely coincidental
Statements by the utterly deranged

>>63990471
Not even gonna read the replies. Their number speaks of your victory

>>63994915
>Parroting a bunch of made-up bullshit
>muh falseflag
See >>63994488

>>63994939
>Someone said a bunch of retarded shit and a bunch of people told them how retarded it was
>That must mean they were right
Pic related; it's (You).

>>63994960
I think he thinks anon is baiting/trolling. Not an entirely unreasonable assumption all things considered, though I don't think it's correct.

>>63994960
>>63994969
Nah, I agree with him completely. The fact you felt so assblasted as to instantly reply to me tells me that, deep down, you agree with him too

>>63994936
>If you lack the ability to make a proper argument stand on its own merits and merely parrot youtubers, then your opinion is irrelevant.

So all it takes for you to actually reply with "a proper argument" is me writing a transcript? Do you think that the reasoning presented inside the video is somehow invalidated because of the platform? Or is this just a kneecap response to anything posted on youtube (that, conveniently, allows you to dodge the argument)?

>I see you/they are already resorting to >muh chilluns

I see you're not addressing other points I made. My point about "muh chilluns" (mockery rather than taking the point head on, very good!) can, but doesn't have to, be taken literally.

It doesn't have to because simplification can be a propaganda tool (it also allows brainlets to dumb down arguments to get an unfair angle from which they can attack them, hint hint).

It can be taken literally because children LITERALLY SHOW UP ON THE FUCKING SCREEN TO GO TO WAR (and get brutally murdered).

>So we made up our own context where instead of the perfectly reasonable explanation the book had

Putting words in other people's mouths, very good. This must be what you consider making "a proper argument", same as "le funny quotation marked speak". Also people "made up their own context" because retelling stories in a different light has been a staple of media for hundreds of years

>Then I suppose that rather than "War is hell"; (...)

If a director like Verhoeven wanted to make a "war is hell" movie, he'd have surely shot it differently

>He didn't satirize fascism because the picture he painted was not one of fascism

For a change, I'd love to hear you try to support that claim with examples

>reddit etc.

The linebreak shows I'm replying to two points at the same time, else it would suggest I'm primarily replying to the second one. Also I've been here since 2008, reddit hate appeared on pol and spread to other boards so fuck off with your revisionism

>>63991970
>>63991976
Very interesting how the humans fight like bugs, while the bugs actually use tactics and strategy.

>>63995018
>GO TO WAR (and get brutally murdered
We don't actually see that in the movie.

>>63995018
>Starts putting a linebreak after every single sentence
All right, you had me going for a while, but now you're just making it too obvious.

>>63995034

Right, if we don't see something, it doesn't exist. Alternatively - I'm sure all the war effort was missing was lil' Stacy with her braces still on, now the bugs are definitely done for

>>63995035

Seethe harder, bitch. Your delusions of eloquence and ability to think logically popped like your father's condom to the displeasure of anyone who had to interact with you

You show an Amerigolem a society that worships it's military, that centers its entire system of rights and way of living around institutionalized killing and they will think
>"waow... heckin badass"

>>63994488
>the annihilation of Buenos Aires
The inside job of Buenos Aires, where the big asteroid killing guns mysteriously didnt do their job and this advanced civilization mastered space travel but lacked the ability to detect asteroids that modern day instruments can find and calculate trajectory through basic newtonian physics.

>>63995060
My favourite part is the illustration of where Klendathu is on the map and humanity has to go all the way the fuck to the other side of the galaxy, literally 80,000 light years away just to find an enemy to keep the illusion of control. Fascism 101, the state cannot exist without the enemy.

>>63995056
>if we don't see something, it doesn't exist.
Yes? It's a fucking movie if Verhoeven wanted to depict child soldiers in combat he would have.
All we get is a propaganda real where a kid is shown as playing at being a soldier, there is not even 1 scene implying that they send literal children to war.

All you're using as an argument is your personal fanfiction.

>>63995077

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D4nTcXS4_M

You haven't even seen the movie you're talking about, gotcha. On the other hand, this excuses you for not realising the age of new recruits is drastically lower, meaning they've already ran out of people of fighting age and are forced to send children.

>>63995120
>forced to send children.
They are at least 18, and they volunteered.

>>63995077
>there is not even 1 scene implying that they send literal children to war.
Fucking imbecile

>>63995061
If you're not baiting, you are deaf.
>>63995068
The Federation SPECIFICALLY went out of its way to AVOID the bugs prior to the 2297 Buenos Aires Incident.
>>63995077
Everyone laughs when the kid says the line, too. The idea of a kid being enlisted is a JOKE. Much like several tards in this very thread.

>>63995060
>society that worships it's military, that centers its entire system of rights and way of living around institutionalized killing
Thats every nation hostile to.the US

>>63995137

Do they look like >>63995120 18 yo's to you?

>>63995139

We're talking about the movie, you're only doing yourself a disservice by bringing up another medium

>>63995148
>Do they look like >>63995120 18 yo's to you?
Considering they are all Rico's height, YES. Regarding the wording, an 18 yo can be called a kid, but is not a literal child.
>We're talking about the movie
Me too. I'm telling you to read what the other anons are saying.

>>63995138
kek

>>63995148
>Do they look like >>63995120 18 yo's to you?
no, they don't.

>We're talking about the movie
In your opinion, is the movie meant to be a criticism of the society depicted in the book, or not?

If you answer "yes" - then it's fair for us to contradict the movie by referencing the book. i.e. we are saying "the movie is wrong here; the criticism is unfounded"

If you answer "no" - then you're conceding that you don't have a problem with the society that Heinlein created ...you only have a problem with a movie that (according to you) does not depict Heinlein accurately.

So which is it?

>>63995156
>Considering they are all Rico's height, YES.
I answered "no" in >>63995159 but as I said in that post, it's a moot point anyway. We're either using the movie to criticize Heinlein's ideas ...in which case it's fair game to contradict the movie by referencing Heinlein, or we're pretending the movie stands on its own ...in which case we've conceded that Heinlein did nothing wrong.

But more to the point, the kids in pic-related don't look 18 to me either, so maybe I'm just old (I am in fact old)

>>63993614
Retards are about the only group who can't serve iirc.

It's a kind of funny book because his previous work was way different, like free love age of aquarius hippy dippy stuff so Starship Trooper blindsided people when it came out. Ironically because he made the power armor etc so badass that it kind of distracted from the original thought experiment of what would an old school Athenian style direct democracy look like IN SPACEEEEEE.

I don't really like Heinlein generally, I think Vance (SFF grand master #2, the second one so voted after Heinlein) is a lot better writer and much more entertaining. But starship troopers is probably my favorite Heinlein yarn, even though it's not his best.

>>63995178
It can be surprising just how baby-faced an actual 18 yo can look, we're kind of conditioned to think of 18 as being when people start being actual adults cuz legal drinking age, age of consent, and enlistment age all roughly centralise around 18, but in reality you're still developing into your 20s.

>>63995156
>Considering they are all Rico's height

That's a terrible way to guess someone's age. Looking at their faces I wouldn't give some of them 16

>>63995159

I cannot give you an answer because I haven't read the book (I'm meaning to do that at some point, I stopped at SiaSL). I'm not here to disparage it, I even defended it in one of my posts >>63994869
and I made it and the following ones only to argue with the people who claim that "(...) there's nothing within the fictional world of the movie to prove that the fictional society isn't just actually as awesome as it portrays itself", which is abso-fucking-lutely ridiculous

>>63991468
>One of the reveals at the end is that the main character is Hispanic,
hes a flip.

>>63995060
>any of this
You are brown.

>>63991566
>LE GNATZEEEZ!!!!
Heinlen was a free love piece of shit who personally worshipped Aleister Crowley at his feet, and got cucked by L. Ron Hubbard.

>>63995191
You're innawoods, walking through the brush - maybe you're fed up, maybe you wanna be by yourself, who knows - when all of a sudden, you look down and you see a dark, blue river. It's running kind of fast, and dark = deep, so you walk away. Since you didn't test the water, you don't realise that it's not actually deep, it's just stained blue from all the aliens getting killed upriver.

>>63995178
>we've conceded that Heinlein did nothing wrong.
But Heinlein did do nothing wrong?

>>63995159
Oh shut the fuck up the movie is making it's own statement about fascism stop moving the goalposts

>>63991727
yep and Verhoeven is a great director that needed money for the godless as fuck, "Jesus Seminar" smug ass fart sniffing thing he was involved with.

it shocks me they think heinlein the giga reddittard of his day and an actual at the masters foot crowleyist was a nazi when he wrote stranger in a strange land.

>>63995224
>stop moving the goalposts
The people (e.g. you) invoking "fascism" are the ones moving the goalposts.

Is Heinlein's society fascist? If you answer "no" then okay, that's cool. So you're saying that the movie gets it wrong?

...but you don't want to say that. You want to use the movie to criticize Heinlein. But then you also want to prevent people from referencing the book to defend Heinlein.

Let me put this in terms you might understand: the book is cannon. The movie is a depiction of it that gets some things right and some things wrong. None of it is fascist.

>>63995250
this man doesnt understand satire

>>63995256
>muh satire
Was shit.

>>63991727
>>63995228
Book "critic" fags were calling him an ebul nahtzee before the movie even came out. I think I remember reading that he had trouble with his usual publisher and had to go about finding a new one for it, as well.
Their reasoning for calling him a nazi was because the setting was militaristic and a single character in the book made the stick analogy once.

Now, as to the question of why a militaristic book is such a problem simply take into account the fact that it was released during the cold war. As well as the fact that America's military rival during said cold war a certain nation known for compromising the entertainment industry as a mechanism of propaganda as well as calling everyone that disagrees with them a fascist/nazi/literally Hitler (They're unfortunately not alone in this) and it all clicks into place.
Pinko faggots called him a nazi because they call everyone they dislike a nazi.

>It's not Fascist!1 it's based on societal values that the fascists are famous for emulating! There's clearly a difference here!

what are you guys even talking about

>>63991566
Nazi how? No seriously, how is Starship Troopers the Book Nazi?

>>63995309
>anything I hate is fashhhist
Every fucking time.

>>63995293
I wonder how America would be if McCarthy got everything he wanted, combined with giving the CIA the resources it needed.

>>63995343
It walks like a fascist, it talks like a fascist but it's greek/roman so it can't possibly be inherently fascist because we didnt have a name for/realize how fucking stupid it was at the time

>>63995352
Sad to see what marxist thought does to a mfer.

>>63995309
We talking the book or the movie? 'Cause Vanhoven was intentionally parodying Fascists while Heinlein is only fascist if you count any sort of voting restriction as fascist.

>>63990440
>That's an NV scope, it doesn't have magnification.

Wrong
AN/PVS-17B is 2.25x
AN/PVS-17C is 4.5x

>>63991801
doing the kessel run in 12 parsecs meant Han was an insane motherfucker and a truly gifted by god navigator.
>>63994508
sure thing socialist who is crazier than the most insane schitzo.
>>63994869
its not an adaptation, its an entirely different source material they shoehorned into being starship troopers they got greenlighted because dead authors cant get royalties or rant about them ruining his work.
>>63995351
it would be a better place if mccarthy had the balls to do what needed to be done and cleaned house. he was right, but even then he only touched the tip of the iceBERG

>the awesome world this movie shows is actually bad
>no I don't have any proof or examples of WHY it's bad, but it definitely is
>if you can't see it, it just means you can't pick up on subtext, chud

>>63995391
>Heinlein is only fascist if you count any sort of voting restriction as fascist.
leftists do actually view any voting restriction as fascist

Hypothesis: the reason for this is, they are so mentally and physically feeble that they know they could never meet any objective standard.

I mean, look at these people! Just look at them! I'd be mad about the federation too!

>>63994869
>the officer address the group as "fresh mean for the grinder"
And off-color joke by a veteran? Stop the presses.

>either referring to the fact the navy is taking heavy losses
What losses? The Federation isn't even at war yet at this point of the story.

>military intelligence is referred to as "games and theory". This poor attempt at masking its true purpose is immediately decoded by the characters, so why is it named like that?
Because the military literally does that in real life. Military cooks are called something like "culinary specialists" or something on paper.

>Carl's reaction to finding out he will have power over others
A lot of teenagers already have a bit of an ego, and Carl's would already be heightened by the fact that he's A.) a psychic, and B.) much smarter than his peers.

>>63995440
Bioleninism remains undefeated.

>>63995352
>walks like a duck
>talks like a duck
>oh wait it's a goose
There is no part of Starship Troopers that is fascist.

>>63995120
>>63995138
>state of global war against an enemy that directly attacked them
>people joining up as soon as they're legally allowed to
>this results in a bunch of recruits who went straight from high school to the military and look young because they are

Wow

>>63987655
>dying in an endless fight against space bugs
>cool as fuck

>>63995415
>The possibility of Bug intelligence being written off as "Offensive"
>The initial attack on Klendathu being an unmitigated Cluster Fuck.
>Man gets sentenced for treason 24 hours after arrest
>Uniforms are a dead ringer for WW2 Germany
>Intelligence officers even wear the distinctive leather coats
>Federal Flag looking like Imperial Eagle
>"Would you like to know more" sections are reminiscent of Nazi propaganda films.
But really, I put this up to Vanhoven being a hack and assuming everyone has the same associations with Nazis he does.

i love how people found out the movie was supposed to be satire so they had to make up headcanon about how the director is mad that people liked his movie and that it was only good on accident

>>63995440
Counterpoint, it doesn't matter how mentally and physically feeble you are, the government still needs to find a suitable job for you for your citizenship service.

>>63995511
>I put this up to Vanhoven being a hack

yeah the director of robocop and total reall is 'a hack'

>>63995501
Last Stands are Glorious and Federation tactics maximize last stands.

>>63995514
???

>>63995521
'the creator is mad that i like it' is a classic 4chan contrarian move

>>63995518
Uh...yeah? Have you sat down and thought about Robocop or Total Recall for a minute? They're ridiculous and shallow and only get by on spectacle. Vanhoven is basically Michael Bay on a shoestring budget.

>>63995535
this is an opinion you've made up on the spot just to be argumentative with someone you think is your idological enemy.

>>63995415
Theres very real points to it. It just isnt the focus of the movie. Pew pewing bugs is

>>63995525
>>63995542
>Ackshually its genyus and your dumb contrarian chuds
Peak reddit/youtube video essay brain

>>63995535

Starship troopers is written completely straight but retards dont know how a movie can be funny just because of the way its shot.

When the news report is talking about millions dead in one hour and it shows a couple dead bugs, then quick pans over to dozens of shredded human corpses next to them, thats funny without making an obvious joke.

>>63995511
>would you like to know more
>nazi
You stupid motherfucker those films were based off the US "Why We Fight" films of WW2.
>verhoeven
That motherfucker is the most ungrateful thing to ever exist, in one of his Eurotrash films he comments "I couldn't tell the US soldiers from the Nazis". American soldiers DIED to free him and his country, and he constantly cries about how FASCIST America and Israel is. Meanwhile another Dutch director was MURDERED by Muslims and that slimy motherfucker said "well he shouldn't have offended their religion".

>>63995511
>The possibility of Bug intelligence being written off as "Offensive"
Yes, humans keep underestimating the bugs and it bites them in the ass every time.

>The initial attack on Klendathu being an unmitigated Cluster Fuck.
Military fuckups are common all throughout history and are not exclusive to "evil" countries or governments.

>Man gets sentenced for treason 24 hours after arrest
He was a murderer, and if he was guilty beyond all reasonable doubt or evidence, why shouldn't he be sentenced as soon as possible?

>Uniforms are a dead ringer for WW2 Germany
>Intelligence officers even wear the distinctive leather coats
>these people look like the bad guys so you KNOW they're the bad guys

>Federal Flag looking like Imperial Eagle
And? America has had the eagle on their seal since 1782.

>>63995543
>Theres very real points to it.
>No, I can't tell you what they are, but they're there, trust me bro

>>63995511
>The possibility of Bug intelligence being written off as "Offensive"
Another narrative to explain that scene is: it shows that lively debate is allowed in their society. That is *NOT* a characteristic of a fascist state. If a fascist state decided the bugs are dumb, *NOBODY* would be allowed to go on TV and argue against them.

so ironically, that scene demonstrates that their society isn't fascist!

>Man gets sentenced for treason 24 hours after arrest
no, not for treason. He was arrested for murder. And another narrative to explain the speed of the process is that their society is so peaceful and stable that their courts aren't backed up and there's no need to delay trials for months and months. It's the future. They have the guy on video committing murder, and they have DNA evidence. Why can't the trail happen that day?

>>63995515
>Counterpoint, it doesn't matter how mentally and physically feeble you are, the government still needs to find a suitable job for you for your citizenship service.
That's true, yes.

But the leftist fears (I suspect) that they are so *mentally* weak that they can't handle it. And that makes sense if you read some of the stuff they write. They've all got crippling anxiety and fold like a lawn chair if someone raises his voice at them.

None of them could become citizens!

I mean look at pic-rel. This is a typical reddit leftist

I think this meme makes a great point:

> Let the Chaos Gods burn the galaxy because the alternative is a Space Marine being rude to an Orc

This meme is supported by this paper: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/325033477_Equalitarianism_A_Source_of_Liberal_Bias

>>63995625
is that a truth social post?

>>63995606
>they are so *mentally* weak that they can't handle it
Mental competency is the one requirement for service, so yes, the dysgenic Bioleninist is going to seethe about it.

>>63995606
>lively debate is allowed in their society. That is *NOT* a characteristic of a fascist state. If a fascist state decided the bugs are dumb, *NOBODY* would be allowed to go on TV and argue against them.
You don’t think the media of a fascist country would have clearly and obviously biased “news” hosts that promote an image of fair debate while pushing a state-sanctioned agenda? Fucking autists, man. Not even once.

>>63995147
>>63995209
Case in point.

>>63995842
This is your only argument! You just keep painting over it with new colors.

You: iTS faScisT!!!
Everyone else: uh, it doesn't look like fascism
You: dOnt U unDERstand??? tHeyRE hiDing the FasCism!!!

What if I claimed the Hobbits in LOTR are a satire of fascism? You're going to point out that nothing about them seems fascistic. Specifically, you might note that they don't even have an army. Then, using your logic, I scream "THEYRE HIDING THEIR ARMY!! THATS PART OF THEIR PROPAGANDA!!! FRODO AND BILBO LITERALLY WROTE THE BOOK!! OF COURSE THEY CONCEALED THEIR CRIMES!!!"

At some point, this becomes ridiculous.

>>63995842
But the government doesn't deny the bugs are intelligent once it's clear that they are, they just don't believe they're smart until they're shown the truth and dismiss anyone who says otherwise. That's shortsighted, not fascist. They also don't stop their own soldiers from making the implication of intelligence with statements like "the bugs laid a trap for us, didn't they?" and immediately shift their tactics to combat this newly-learned fact about their enemy.

>>63990471
>It's an in-universe propaganda film
except this concept doesn't work if you don't fucking show what the government is actually like behind the scenes. In the movie, the government is show as flawed and capable of making mistakes, something a fascist government NEVER would portray, and it doesn't do anything overtly evil or bad. Verhoeven is a fucking retard

>>63994915
>false flag
why do smooth brains say this? nowhere in the movie is it even remotely hinted that it was a false flag attack. In fact, to the contrary, the movie suggests that the initial bug attack was the human's fault (by having Mormon colonists ignore the government and piss off the bugs)

spastic replying 5 times in a row

>>63994915
>Your worth to the military decides your worth as a person

meanwhile in the reality
>rico's parents never served
>they're extremely successful and wealthy, can afford to go on luxurious vacations
>the only veterans of the military we see all have missing limbs and are working shit jobs
it's like you retards haven't watched the movie

>the only veterans of the military we see all have missing limbs and are working shit jobs
wow, just like real life

>>63995957
>-t. extremely successful and wealthy, can afford to go on luxurious vacations

>>63995968
Is it that obvious?

>>63995842
No, they wouldn't. If you look at the examples cited, such as North Korea, no, they'd portray the government as omnipotent gods who can do no wrong. Kimmy is worshipped as a god over there, remember. I've seen their propaganda films, even that one animation with the weirdly sexy anthropomorphic fox lady. The most humble depiction of themselves is saying that poor innocent North Korea dindu nuffin and it was those evil western capitalist pig dogs who made war on them and threaten them for no particular reason.
The Nazis similarly didn't deal with that. There was no room for debate, the government is correct, shut the fuck up and get back to the front. In fact, the only example of discourse within the Nazi regime I can cite is a British-run radio station where the host, who was raised in Germany but immigrated to the UK, pretended to be a rabid supporter of Naziism in an almost cartoonishly over-the-top way, while sprinkling in seeds of doubt by criticizing officials within the regime for supposed excesses while the average person had to go without, but did so by branding these as traitors to the cause so no one in Germany would bother trying to root out where it was coming from and realize it was a foreign psyop.
In fact, the only country that does anything remotely similar to what you say is the United States. So I'm to assume that you're a deranged lefty faggot who thinks our current way of life is fascism, and would be completely fine with fascism as long as it wasn't called that and pushed all of your disgusting beliefs onto normal people. Your unhinged and egotistical post style would also suggest this. I know you probably can't own a gun due to being a felon of some description, so please do the entire human race a favor and wander onto the nearest freeway.

>>63995178
That bit in the movie I see as more
>Rico and blonde bucktooth are so fucking jaded and experience in their presumably 6-12 months of service that they see a bunch of fucking new guy boots as 6 year old babbies.

Because of Rico's gigachad jawline and all he didn't look very 18 to begin with at the start of the movie, but it's the same way in war movies you get some scrawny nervous 18 year old looking boot juxtaposed to a guy who is maybe 19 or still 18 but is really worn out from experience.

Also for a fascist regime I find it funny someone resigned for Klendathu. Meanwhile after the Afghanistan withdraw fuckup the 2nd most corrupt administration in the past 25 years went and literally applauded themselves for such a great job.

>>63995969
>reddit frog

>>63995905
>>63995914
>>63995976
So true! Western imperialist liars know nothing.

>>63987655
It's a common thread where leftoids write media meant to demean us superiors where due to their feelings of inferiority (the root of leftist thought) they can't help but aknowledge our self-evident superiority over them. Post examples of this. I have a few:
>The Skaven: The Skaven are meant to make us look repulsive through emotional manipulation (language used to describe them such as describing their red-pilled use of woman as vile or demands that survival and advancement be built solely on ones ability to thrive on their own being described as cruel, as well as making them ratmen) yet have technology far in advance of everyone else, a foothold everywhere in the world, such fast population growth that they'll never be under existential threat and being guaranteed to take the world for themselves.
>The Imperium of Man: The Imperium of Man (Warhammer 40k counterpart to the Skaven) was made to mock us. It is also the sole government responsible for human survival, controls the whole galaxy and it exists in a world where liberalism causes demons to claw into reality and rape (sometimes literally) everything they get ahold of.
>Tanya von Degurechaff: Despite being created by a commie and is said to be evil (it's in the media's name), she is still a genius commander and buisinessman who comes up with clever ways to get around the pussy leftist concept that is "war crimes" and an unstoppable soldier that no enemy can stand before.
>Light Yagami: He seeks to become justice, being the ubermensch who makes the world follow his moral code instead of the other war around. Thanks to him, 90% of the criminal and lazy died.
>Senator Armstrong: The video game version of Donald Trump, he was going to bring back real America. Where the law changes to suit the individual, where power and justice are in the hands of the people. Where the weak (like liberals) get purged and the strongest (Conservative Right-chads) strive, free to live as we see fit.

>>63996178
>>Tanya von Degurechaff:
Tranny detected

>>63996184
Yes, as I said, a leftoid made a tranny character. What's your point?

>>63995574
>Starship troopers is written completely straight but retards dont know how a movie can be funny just because of the way its shot.
That's why I call Vanhoven a hack. He wanted it to be a tongue in cheek castigation of fascism but made the protagonist too heroic.
>>63995542
When was the last time you thought about the plot of Robocop?
>>63995576
>You stupid motherfucker those films were based off the US "Why We Fight" films of WW2.
>That motherfucker is the most ungrateful thing to ever exist, in one of his Eurotrash films he comments "I couldn't tell the US soldiers from the Nazis".
The second answers the first. And yes, Vanhoven is a hack that couldn't even parody a 37 year old book.
>>63995597
>Yes, humans keep underestimating the bugs and it bites them in the ass every time.
Germany sold their own people the same thing about the Russians.
>Military fuckups are common all throughout history and are not exclusive to "evil" countries or governments.
They're more common in authoritarian countries where any attempt to warn commanders to danger is considered "Defeatism"
>He was a murderer, and if he was guilty beyond all reasonable doubt or evidence, why shouldn't he be sentenced as soon as possible?
Was he? Or was he just a dissident who was framed? Fast trials are usually a sign of a kangaroo court.
>And? America has had the eagle on their seal since 1782.
The seal but not the flag. An eagle on the flag is very German.

And yes, this is very thin because, once again, Vanhoven is a HACK.

>>63996262
>Germany sold their own people the same thing about the Russians.
But was that depiction of them incorrect?

>>63987648 (OP)
George Floyd does his part!

>>63995852
>still being wrong
Man Europeans are legitimately stupid.

>>63995976
>any of this
Touch fucking grass.

>>63996392
seething golem

>itt, what is a dedicated marksman rifle

>>63996405
>America is built around institutionalized killing
Considering that America bases it's entire framework around the individual and celebrates private ownership of firearms you are wrong (as always) Europeon.
>g-golem
You jail people for questioning the Holocaust or accusing jews of destroying your shithole country.
>my country isn't a shithole
Then why aren't you fighting? Only shithole countries where the people give zero shits about anything but welfare.

>>63995937
>why do smooth brains say this? nowhere in the movie is it even remotely hinted that it was a false flag attack
They show you the giant multi cannon anti asteroid station and they show you how good it is at destroying asteroids coming towards earth.

>>63996457
>there have been so many false flag attacks on earth that we had to build a literal Halo ring to defend against them
>yet somehow this false flag was too far
Smooth brain.

>>63996428
>America bases it's entire framework around the individual and celebrates private ownership of firearms
>you are wrong

Wait, so is the frogspammer a noguns euro?

>>63996602
Yeah and a seething one. He's legitimately too stupid to report.

>>63996602
>>63996619
gobbless brother

>>63987667
>self explainable.
>not self-explanatory
retard

>>63996708
>being this assmad
Why do Europeans post pictures of themselves? Why do you forget the centuries of Afro/Muslim/Mongol invasions, slave raids, and rapes?
>Spanish
700 years of Muslim/Jewish interbreeding.
>Italy
Nearly 1000 years of multiracial and multicultural intermixing.
>Balkans
Centuries of Muslim rape babies.
>North Europe
Generations of rape armies.

>>63987667
>self explainable.
ESL moment.

>>63994487
>There's no fascism in the movie
There's a butt-load of fascist imagery and messaging. Your denial of that blindingly obvious fact betrays your agenda and shows that your post is pure projection.

There is an ideology requiring double think and humiliation rituals but they, like you, are currently trying to rationalise protecting pedophiles because their side is staging a slow coup and the people at the top of their party seem to be all pedophiles or pedophile enablers.
Trans don't rape children, your congressional candidates keep being exposed as rapists and pedophiles though.

honestly triumph of the will is a better satire than starship troopers

>>63995447
>The Federation isn't even at war yet at this point of the story.
So how did the veterans lose their limbs?
Tragic can opener incidents with their rations?

>300 replies of retards trying to convince you that these guys wearing nazi uniforms aren't meant to be fascist in any way
uhhh.... okay

>>63996184
The skaven-fetishist is a persistent incel misogynist poster who believes women should be public wombs with no rights because if women can no longer refuse sex and consent no longer exists then he might get laid.

You'll see them around occasionally.

>>63996271
>But was that depiction of them incorrect?
Ask the women of Berlin whether Soviets pose a real threat.

>>63996178
>Skaven are an allegory for whatever you're talking about (I can't tell if it's right-wing policy, conservatism, western society in general, or what, so I'll just assume all three?)
>The Imperium of Man is the space counterpart to the Skaven
You're right otherwise but what in the God-Emperor's name is this take?
Also I think Armstrong was always meant to be a sympathetic villain, there's no way that was unintentional. I'm also going to call the Skaven evil because I'm a Human supremacist and they're the wrong species. Mallus isn't theirs to conquer.

>>63994364
You came back and replied. You spent time reading my post, realized you couldn't rebut it, seethed, cried, and then wrote a falsely smug reply. I won, you lost.

>Wrong on all of those I'm afraid
I don't think I was and I don't think you can prove me wrong because you are just as much of a loser as I alleged.

>>63995440
Obesity, illiteracy, and violence are far more prevalent in red states than they are in blue ones. Blue states contribute vastly more to the federal budget and are generally the center of all relevant American cultural and technological accomplishment. Once again, we find ourselves trying to defend your rights and livelihood, and you hate us for it. We want the right to vote to be universal and fair, and for people to have free healthcare and education, and you stupid retard dumbshits (the primary beneficiaries of this effort) don't care because apparently things are just too woke and would prefer to backslide further into third world degeneracy while you vote in bent geriatric pedophiles to steal your money to give billionaires tax breaks, destroy American soft power and prestige, and make the country worse in literally every measurable metric. These are the same folks that brought you two forever wars , the housing crisis, a recession, and a pandemic, but you took the bait yet again.

Well, all I can say is good luck. I'll be fine. I managed to leverage a state-subsidized college education into grad school and a stable career. My extended family is highly educated, healthy, and gainfully employed in lucrative fields, and they'll all be fine too. You on the other hand are 100% guaranteed to get fucked by the Republicans you voted for again in whichever pathetic bible belt shithole in which you reside. The most brutalized victims of your backward belief system are always its most ardent followers. You won't even know it's happening, you'll just wonder why mom had to die because there are no rural hospitals anymore, why the bill was your entire yearly salary because you have no insurance, why you can't afford anything anymore and why everyone around you keeps getting dumber. I'm sure you'll still be blissfully unaware that you directly made that happen, and promptly blame Hunter Biden.

>>63997051
>So how did the veterans lose their limbs?
Anon, you DO understand that lost limbs don't grow back, right? So if he lost them in a war BEFORE the movie, he still wouldn't have them? You following me?

This would be like asking a WWI vet in 1923 how he doesn't have an arm when the war's been over for five years.

>>63996262
>They're more common in authoritarian countries where any attempt to warn commanders to danger is considered "Defeatism"
Is that why the allies in WWII suffered several costly defeats?

>Was he? Or was he just a dissident who was framed?
Provide evidence that he was. Without it, him being a dissident or traitor is just a headcanon.

>Fast trials are usually a sign of a kangaroo court.
Or it's a sign of a society where crime is so uncommon that the justice system doesn't have to make people wait years for their trial.

>>63991862
I don't think it was as intentional as The Thing. He definitely meant it as a bait and switch. You are obviously supposed to root for the Federation in the beginning and then question it at the end but he somehow simultaneousy managed to be too subtle and too hamfisted at portaying them negatively in the latter half of the movie.
Plus it is insulting to John to compare him to him.

>>63997524
>Once again, we find ourselves trying to defend your rights and livelihood, and you hate us for it.
You arrested people for daring to go outside and openly floated (and actually did, in some countries) throwing people into camps for not getting a vaccine that didn't even work. You constantly try and take away the ability for common people to defend themselves and show more lenience to rapists and murderers than their victims. You want to give people who crossed the border two minutes ago the same rights and privileges as people who have been here for their entire lives, and in fact want to treat them even better than those people.

Fuck off.

>>63992005
The Bugs making war inevitable doesn't answer why they had an Army. And they were in conflict with other races before the meteor.

>>63992445
Reminds me of the recruiting officer and how he refused to wear his prosthetics when working.

>>63994389
How would the bugs have known to attack earth that many years prior?
They would have had to divert the astroid hundreds or thousands of years before.

>>63997524
Obesity, illiteracy, and violence are far more prevalent in blue states than they are in red ones. Red states contribute vastly more to the agricultural sector and are generally the center of all relevant American cultural and technological accomplishment. Once again, we find ourselves trying to defend your rights and livelihood, and you hate us for it. We want the right to vote to be universal and fair, and for people to have cheap healthcare and non-brainwashed education, and you stupid retard dumbshits (the primary beneficiaries of this effort) don't care because apparently things just aren't woke enough and would prefer to backslide further into first world degeneracy while you vote in bent geriatric pedophiles to steal your money to give billionaires tax breaks, destroy American soft power and prestige, and make the country worse in literally every measurable metric. These are the same folks that brought you two forever wars , the housing crisis, a recession, and a pandemic, but you took the bait yet again.

Well, all I can say is good luck. I'll be fine. I run a sustainable farm with easy access to water and know how to hunt. My extended family is well-armed, healthy, and gainfully employed in blue-collar fields, and they'll all be fine too. You on the other hand are 100% guaranteed to get fucked by the Democrats you voted for again in whichever pathetic techbro shithole in which you reside. The most brutalized victims of your backward belief system are always its most ardent followers. You won't even know it's happening, you'll just wonder why mom had to die from a heart attack after getting her 17th covid vax booster, why you can't afford anything anymore and why everyone around you keeps getting robbed, raped, stabbed, or shot. I'm sure you'll still be blissfully unaware that you directly made that happen, and promptly blame Baron Trump.

>>63996178
> meant to demean us superiors where due to their feelings of inferiority
Jesus Christ the way you type is so fucking insufferable

>>63991838
>>63991814
OK coming back to this point because it got turbo retarded since I last checked this thread. I do genuinely love the discussion parts of the book as I've gotten older. One thing I want to add or point out wrt service as a right is the significance of the ship, the USS Roger Young. The real Roger Young was a US National Guardsman during WWII. He enlisted in the Nasty Girls because he was short and almost blind and almost deaf, and feared he couldn't get into the regular Army. He got in, and ultimately gave his life drawing fire from, and ultimately being killed by a Japanese machine gun emplacement so the rest of his squad could escape. This act earned him the medal of honor. He is referenced in another Heinlein story as well.

Using Roger Young as a central focus into Heinlein's worldview, it is my opinion given Heinlein's own military service and subsequent dismissal due to illness that Starship Troopers is both a sincere exploration of Athenian democracy and also a subconscious lamentation for the men who volunteered and died in WWII. He holds men like Roger Young in the highest honor, those who would die not for 'the state,' as a faceless entity of elites but rather made up of everyone else who also was willing to serve a cause greater than themselves with little to no personal reward.

Most of the discussion boils down to good faith/bad faith interpretations of government power, with the left assuming bad faith/propaganda interpretations, while the right seems more willing to explore the concept. There is also, at least for the movie, the inherent impossibility of making an anti-State, anti-War movie that is also exciting and popular. See Gundam. Verhoeven is not the first to say War Bad but also sell a movie on the spectacle of war either.

>>63997884
(cot'd)
And finally I would say that if you are American, and vote, congratulations, all of us have already agreed to the terms of citizenship from the story. The state has not called on us to fulfill our obligations and god willing it never does, but all of us have agreed to serve the state. Even those who outright refuse to bear arms and kill have been given noncombatant jobs like the objectors in WWII who tested bodily survival limits and other things. But at least in the story, the people who have the power to compel us to serve have also gone through the same themselves, and the people who vote likewise.

Given the universal conscription of almost all far left states, you'd think mandatory military service would not be as big a point of contention as it is here, but then how the State, the Military, and Citizens all interact is too vague a discussion to have on a Mongolian Basket Weaving forum.

I will leave you with this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFntAns24A8
>To the everlasting glory of the infantry, shines the name of Roger Young

>>63997898
>all of us have already agreed to the terms of citizenship from the story.
Not really. Men have to sign up for the draft even if we don't vote. I never agreed to it, but the alternative is prison. That's not really a choice, it's coercion.

>>63998016
Fair, I only meant it in that we have at LEAST done that, if not even worse wrt the draft and being called for service.

>>63997595
They have FTL
>b-but, we don't see it in the mo-
We also don't see anyone going to the bathroom, does it mean they don't have assholes?

>The director of the movie says the bugs sent the asteroid
>The contents of the movie itself says the bugs sent the asteroid
>The book says the bugs sent the asteroid
>The only so-called "evidence" of them not sending it is the "scientific illiteracy" of a science FICTION story where the original was written in the 50s and the whining of a bunch of retarded pseudointellectuals on the internet

>>63994915
settlers who went *against* the government
wowee, 100% fascist realism right there.

>>63998061
>scientific illiteracy" of a science FICTION story where the original was written in the 50s a
Uhm akshually post here but the book only matters little for that point. In the book the bugs had highly advanced shipbuilding industry and iirc did build ftl capable starships. So bombarding Buenos Aires even from half the galaxy away was a possibility for them.

>>63998480
Yes, that's what I said, anon. Read it again.
"Scientific illiteracy" is in quotes, because it's just redditards going >UMM ACKCHYUALLY
That shit obviously isn't hard sci-fi and asteroids are a retarded weapon to use from a physics standpoint. The movie simply copied the book for the sake of the plot for killing space-bugs and then there's a million fucking pseuds who take up the story as some sort of political commentary and artistic affirmation of their dogshit beliefs. They never shut the fuck up about satire this, propaganda that. Yet they never realize that evem if they were correct, it would simply mean that they're just consuming a B-movie that is an ACTUAL propaganda film pretending to be satire of a strawman of a propaganda film.

These subhuman retards legitimately do not realize that propaganda doesn't just mean "thing I don't agree with" but also applies to their own shit as well. Then they work backwards from there and make up random bullshit like falseflags to justify the belief they want to hold.
They simply can't be considered people.

>guys we aren’t fascist
The consequence of fascism is that “humans” become just as buglike as actual bugs. Fascism is a form of extreme collectivism. The hive - I mean state - over all.
It’s extremely obvious in the movie… the different types of bugs are literally 1:1 analogs for the main characters.

>>63998672
>You can tell they're evil fascists because... of their FASHion sense!
Holy KINOGRAPHY! Truly, Verhoeven was a genius and not at all a fucking hack pandering to pseuds!

>>63998796
>the guys wearing nazi uniforms aren't meant to be fascist! real fascism has never been tried
why are polniggers like this

>>63998821
Anon, dressing an actor up like an SS officer is the film equivalent of
>I AM SILLY
The federation isn't real. The entire thing is fiction and any wrongdoing by any party was solely contrived by the writers and directors. To attempt to take it as political commentary—even moreso political commentary that you believe validates your beliefs—is something only a fool would do.

>>63998835
>the director didn't mean anything when he specifically chose an SS uniform
>actually it wasn't even political commentary, it was a purely neutral choice that has nothing to do with politics in or out of the universe of the film!
>this caricature of fascism isn't even mean to be a caricature of fascism, because REAL fascism has never been tried!
Maybe eugenics wasn't that bad of an idea.

>>63998855
>The director meant to say something, but he's a fucking hack and his opinion is as worthless as those of the illiterate retards who didn't read the book yet think the bug-killing B movie is some deep thought-provoking political work
Fixed that for you.

>>63998886
>I don't like what it says so it doesn't actually say anything
lol

>>63998672
>le fascism is when snazzy uniforms
I actually started reading the book due to this and every other thread full of people who've read neither Starship Troopers or Doctrine of Fascism going on about how Heinlein was a super fascist who has ascended past a super fascist (or you can just call this form a super fascist 2) and VerHACKven was delivering some kind of biting satire when he didn't understand either of those things either.

>>63997215
>>63997075
I'm always eager to help someone look past shallow surface observations. The libturds tried to make the Skaven unappealing by making them resemble rats but if someone looks past shallow surface level observations they will see that the Skaven are actually incredibly based. Each one is a nietzschean uberrodent who puts himself above all others and is fully willing to smash aside any obstacles to his power. Each ones psyche lacks any of the weaknesses that cause leftism, making their society immune to its taint. They are free of feelings of inferiority which are the root of leftist thought, they possess an instinctive revulsion to everything about non-skaven meaning that leftist self-flagellation or idealization of others is impossible in a Skaven, no Skaven would ever take the clot shot (and in fact, abominations like vaccines would never develop in their society) and a big reason why they are so successful is that they put their women to better use than any other species in the setting and their psychology means that a Skaven simp that would protest about this is impossible. Even despite being meant to parody us, the libturds still couldn't help but aknowledge our self-evident superiority over them by making the Skaven have technology far in advance of everyone else, a foothold everywhere in the world, such fast population growth that they'll never be under existential threat and being guaranteed to take the world for themselves. To help one look past shallow surface level observations, note that the Warhammer 40k counterpart to the Skaven are the similarly based Imperium of Man.
>>63998672
Fascism is an individualistic ideology. On both the racial and individual level, people must forge fight their own way to the top. Those who do not have the strength to grasp their destiny in their own two hands will have it grasped in the hands of those who do as natural law commands.

>>63999712
Fascism is not individualistic, its in the fucking name.

>>63999712
This is peak schizo nonsense, take your meds anon. Also Nietzsche was a fag lol

>>63997633
Your seething proves me right and I'll make you seethe more with more examples:
>Homelander: A true Superman in contrast to the Last Man who is shallowly called "Superman". He is his own justification for his actions and makes others believe it through his own strength.
>Griffith: A man of endless will to power. He was born in a life under the control of others and he rejected this, and through his own efforts, became not just a king but a god.
>Eric Cartman: Created to mock us, but he runs intellectual circles around everyone around him, including the yid Kyle.

>>63999752
>Take Dr. Goldstein's kike lobotomy pills
How about no.
>Also Nietzsche was a fag
>t. last man

Oh look, now the actual autistic retard has shown up.

A seeker of justice who earned every ounce of his power, deposing ruling leadership to take it for himself. This is in contrast to Cucktimus Prime, who had power given to him on a silver platter, and nearly died protecting someone who stole his T-Cog.

>>63996178
Okay, /pol/tard.

You need to go back.

>>63999881
>muh /pol/!
Go back

>>63997633
>>63999881
Here's a challenge. Show me notable Conservative media with leftoid enemies that makes them appear less repulsive than they are. Since people like me don't have feelings of inferiority, we don't make our enemies look good.

>>63997633
>>63999881
Here's a challenge. Show me notable Conservative media with leftoid enemies that makes them appear less repulsive than they are. Since people like me don't have feelings of inferiority, we don't make our enemies look cool, and instead show how pathetic they are.

>>63999712
That is some of the dumbest schizo bullshit I've ever read on this site. And that is disregarding your complete lack of understanding for nietzschean philosophy.
Skaven aren't meant as a parody of humans

>>63999925
Literally any book, movie, fucking newspaper that came out of the west during the cold war you drooling autistic retard.

>>63999990
>No arguments
Explain what you think is wrong about it.

>>64000011
As mentioned they aren't a critique or parody of mankind nor is shitting on any political affiliation a goal behind their design.
>Each ones psyche lacks any of the weaknesses that cause leftism
They objectively suck and exhibit the same behavior as delusional psychopaths, something caused by literal brain damage.
Skaven are only based in the way browns use the term.
>uberrodent who puts himself above all others and is fully willing to smash aside any obstacles to his power.
That is not what nietzsche argued for with his ubermensch philosophy, it's about elevating yourself physically, mentally, spiritually and morally to be worthy of being a successor to god
> free of feelings of inferiority
As I mentioned they are delusional, the fantasy books make this quite clear, skaven do not accurately experience reality and in turn they also can't accept being at fault for any issues. If something goes wrong it must be the fault of others.
>no Skaven would ever take the clot shot
Well yeah, they don't get any say when getting infected with warp stone or new new plagues, or having someone graft stuff ontot them or use them as mutant fodder.
>put their women to better use
Well that is a nice way of phrasing for getting raped to death
>Skaven have technology far in advance of everyone else
Eh not really, they get some advantage from being willing to not care about their won lives and handling the equivalent of caesium with their bare claws but they don't have any big tech advantage. Dwarves have airships, the empire has steam tanks, quite a few have advanced artillery etc.

>Warhammer 40k counterpart to the Skaven are the similarly based Imperium of Man.
No they aren't that is some nu-40k meme and absolute bullshit

>>64000101
>They objectively suck
That explains why they have a foothold everywhere in the world and it being a matter of when instead of if they gain uncontested dominance over the world.
>Skaven are only based in the way browns use the term.
The brownoids of the setting are the Ogres, Beastmen and Greenskins, all of which build nothing.
>it's about elevating yourself physically, mentally, spiritually and morally
So putting yourself above all others and being fully willing to smash aside any obstacles to his power as Ayn Rand described.
>free of feelings of inferiority
Yes exactly. A leftoids feelings of inferiority are so strong that they can't even imagine themselves being individually powerful. A Skaven recognizes that the only one he can rely on for his own well being is himself.
>Well yeah, they don't get any say when getting infected with warp stone or new new plagues, or having someone graft stuff ontot them or use them as mutant fodder.
Senator Armstrong used the weak to create cyborg supersoldiers. Those who fail to grasp control of their destiny in their own two hands will have their destiny grasped by others, which is natural law. Shitlibe created vaccines because they don't trust their own strength (though for good reason as they have very little of it), Skaven make new weapons using their biological knowledge to become stronger, fearless of the risks (when it's to themselves), or maximizing power (when its the ones who aren't strong enough to stop them) not to coddle the weak.

>Well that is a nice way of phrasing for getting raped to death
The Skaven maximize the only useful aspect of the femoids (their ability to give birth) and make minimize every detrimental aspect (everything else). It's why they have such a high birth rate that being under existential threat is only theoretical to them. If the white race shed ourselves of the weaknesses that cause leftist thought, we'd implement it in less than a year. Some subhumans know what the only use of a woman is but don't have the intellectual ability to properly implement the broodmother.
>they don't have any big tech advantage
The Skaven have completed their Uranverein program (I refuse to call it The Manatten Project because that was an espionage program to steal from Germany's programs) and have widespread electricity use. The Empire has tanks while the Skaven have Doomwheels and can make far more. The only exception is Airships and that's because they mostly live underground and don't need them. The Skaven even have tecnology better than some things us Aryans have made such as tractor beams, custom organs/war beasts, cyborgs, biological warfare etc.

>>64000280
>The Skaven maximize the only useful aspect of the femoids (their ability to give birth) and make minimize every detrimental aspect (everything else). It's why they have such a high birth rate that being under existential threat is only theoretical to them. If the white race shed ourselves of the weaknesses that cause leftist thought, we'd implement it in less than a year. Some subhumans know what the only use of a woman is but don't have the intellectual ability to properly implement the broodmother.
I’m sending this to your mom
No tendies for a week

>>64000305

>>64000256
>That explains why they have a foothold everywhere in the world and it being a matter of when instead of if they gain uncontested dominance over the world.
So what? Chinks and poos are around 1.5 billion each and then you have all the rest of Asia, Africa and south America. Just because there is a ton of browns/thirdies doesn't mean they aren't shit, they just breed like animals no matter what. well the chinks don't anymore but still.>>64000256
>as Ayn Rand described.
So completely irrelevant to what nietzsche wrote?
>A Skaven recognizes that the only one he can rely on for his own well being is himself.
Yes and he is also utterly convinced that he is a god and no bad thing can happen to him no matter how much reality proves him wrong.
>Senator Armstrong
>skaven
huh?

>>64000280
>only useful aspect of the femoids (their ability to give birth)
We have tons of studies on how relevant mothers are for the early development of children, this is the kind of shit even the scholards of antiquity and the middle ages agreed on
>The Skaven have completed their Uranverein program
No they haven't, doomrockets being nuke like is a vidya thing they in WHFB they don't have a very large area of effect and damage is similar to a rat ogre.
>widespread electricity
They don't, they have the galvaneer and warpvolt which is a very volatile way of creating electric discharges on the battlefield but that is AoS shit and the empire gets their own "not-space marines" in that.

>>64000353
>Chinks and poos are around 1.5 billion each and then you have all the rest of Asia, Africa and south America.
Chinks, poos and thirdies don't invent, they only copy. Skaven invent and conquer.
>So completely irrelevant to what nietzsche wrote?
Ayn Rand was heavily inspired by Nietzschean thought. So was Senator Armstrong.
>Senator Armstrong
>skaven
What both share in common was being created by your ilk to demean us. Both have the same "What's good for me is right" master morality and aimed to create the world where the weak get purged and the strongest thrive.
>Yes and he is also utterly convinced that he is a god and no bad thing can happen to him no matter how much reality proves him wrong.
Hence their veneration of the Horned Rat, which was done by you to mock our Christian faith.
>We have tons of studies on how relevant mothers are for the early development of children, this is the kind of shit even the scholards of antiquity and the middle ages agreed on
Single fathers raise kids just fine, single mothers don't.
>No they haven't, doomrockets being nuke like is a vidya thing they in WHFB they don't have a very large area of effect and damage is similar to a rat ogre.
>They don't, they have the galvaneer and warpvolt which is a very volatile way of creating electric discharges on the battlefield but that is AoS shit and the empire gets their own "not-space marines" in that.
So their doomspheres and electricity in their infrastructure doesn't count because you say so, got it.

You might as well give up, your brain is in a far lower weight class than mine.

>>64000403
>your ilk to demean us
>one by you to mock our Christian faith.
You fucking retarded schizo. There is no "us", there is no "great goal" tp demean and mock, hell your brown ass doesn't matter enough for any one to bother with this shit. Skaven exist to make a fun faction for a game and that's all there is to it.
>Ayn Rand was heavily inspired by Nietzschean thought
Which means very little if you consider that Marx was inspired by Hegel and absolutely butchered the latter's dialectic
>Both have the same "What's good for me is right" master morality
That is not what Nietzsche wrote about master morality, it was never some egocentric thinking for him.
>electricity
Which electricity retard? I'm sure you have source from the WHFB books?

>>64000459
Here's a hint. You are not blending in here by swapping out "White Male" for "Brown". It shows your complete inability to understand 4chan's culture of anonymity and judging arguments based on merit. Unlike you, I hold genuine contempt for browns, instead of faking to try to stop an argument. I'm eager to argue, you by contrast, are tortured by doing so.
>That is not what Nietzsche wrote about master morality, it was never some egocentric thinking for him.
Nietszsche said it more eloquently but here you go:
>What is good? Everything that heightens the feeling of power in man, the will to power, power itself.
>What is bad? Everything that is born of weakness.
>What is happiness? The feeling that power is growing, that resistance is overcome.
>Not contentedness but more power; not peace but war; not virtue but fitness....
>The weak and the failures shall perish: first principle of our love of man. And they shall even be given every possible assistance.
>Which electricity retard? I'm sure you have source from the WHFB books?
How do you think power is transferred from one component to another in their machinery?

>>64000403
>our Christian faith
Don't make me tap the tablets, anon.
Interesting b8 routine though, I'm surprised it's as effective as it is.

>>64000521
>swapping out "White Male" for "Brown".
I'm callingyou brown because you exhibit the kind of thinking that is common among subhumans. Sure maybe you are a russian, they have white skin despite being mentally brown but in essence you still argue like a subhuman
>How do you think power is transferred from one component to another in their machinery?
They generate it with an actual warpstone in a weapon, that's all it is.
>Nietszsche said it more eloquently but here you go
Yeah I'm starting to believe you didn't read nietsche
> Die vor nehme Art Mensch fühlt sich als wertbestimmend, sie hat nicht nötig, sich gutheißen zu lassen, sie urteilt »was mir schädlich ist, das ist an sich schädlich«, sie weiß sich als das, was überhaupt erst Ehre den Dingen verleiht, sie ist werteschaffend. Alles, was sie an sich kennt, ehrt sie: eine solche Moral ist Selbstverherrlichung. Im Vordergrunde steht das Gefühl der Fülle,[730] der Macht, die überströmen will, das Glück der hohen Spannung, das Bewußtsein eines Reichtums, der schenken und abgeben möchte – auch der vornehme Mensch hilft dem Unglücklichen, aber nicht oder fast nicht aus Mitleid, sondern mehr aus einem Drang, den der Überfluß von Macht erzeugt. Der vornehme Mensch ehrt in sich den Mächtigen, auch den, welcher Macht über sich selbst hat, der zu reden und zu schweigen versteht, der mit Lust Strenge und Härte gegen sich übt und Ehrerbietung vor allem Strengen und Harten hat. »Ein hartes Herz legte Wotan mir in die Brust«, heißt es in einer alten skandinavischen Saga: so ist es aus der Seele eines stolzen Wikingers heraus mit Recht gedichtet. Eine solche Art Mensch ist eben stolz darauf, nicht zum Mitleiden gemacht zu sein: weshalb der Held der Saga warnend hinzufügt »wer jung schon kein hartes Herz hat, dem wird es niemals hart«.

>>64000343
You’re a manchild throwing a hissy fit over the fact that it’s illegal to rape “femoids”. And some nonsense about “leftists”, “subhumans”, and “the white race”.
I mean, do you even realize how fucking insane you sound? You want to rape and enslave all women because doing so will somehow benefit the white race, and “leftists” are preventing you from doing so? Do you think that is a sympathetic position?
Nobody would even go near (you) in real life, let alone take you seriously.

If in the last 2-3 decades of life you had decided to waddle out of your mom’s basement, you might not have turned out this way. But you didn’t do that. And at this point I think it’s too late, even if you wanted to become a functional adult.
And so your emotional outbursts are unworthy of an argument. Get a fucking grip.

>>64000547
Was pic related a brown? It's those who don't think like him who want browns to come into white countries while people like me who think like him want to kill the browns and take their land. Do you realize how your attempts to blend in just twist yourselves into knots due to the endless contradictions? Probably not.
>They generate it with an actual warpstone in a weapon, that's all it is.
I'll explain to your Gender Studies major mind how machines work. Warpstone is not the same thing as electricity, it's a power source. The energy within a power source gets converted to electricity with a generator due to electricity being an easily transportable form. Most of the time, electricity isn't directly useful (though something like the Warp Lightning Cannon uses it to be directly useful and it proves that the Skaven can harness electricity), so the electricity gets sent to another machine to make that machine convert the electricity into a directly useful form.
>>64000613
Did I touch a nerve? Are you raising a brown baby perhaps? I've interacted extensively with femoids and learned how weak and irrational they are. I wouldn't trust one to burn down a barn full of oil soaked cotton.

>>64000661
>Was pic related a brown?
Sure sounds subhuman enough to be brown.
>The energy within a power source gets converted to electricity with a generator
Yeah nice generator that skaven got there. They do not use electricity aside from warpstone fueled weapons retard. There is a reason why I asked for a book source earlier
Funny btw that you're now quietly dropping the whole Nietzsche angle.

>>64000692
>Funny btw that you're now quietly dropping the whole Nietzsche angle.
Yeah it's cuz it's bait, he doesn't actually believe anything he's saying (or only believes a small amount of it), he's just farming (you)s. He will probably claim otherwise but ofc that's necessary for the ruse.

>>64000729
>he doesn't actually believe anything he's saying
That I am almost certain of, excluding the possibility of him just deluding himself that it in reality means what ever retarded shit he likes and everyone else must be wrong and trying to trick him.
>it's bait
No I think he is actually that mentally ill.

>>64000735
>No I think he is actually that mentally ill.
You underestimate boredfags ability to make insane shit up just to get a laugh out of the (you)s. I should know, I'm one of them (sometimes).

>>64000692
Here's another "brown" by your definition.
>Yeah nice generator that skaven got there. They do not use electricity aside from warpstone fueled weapons retard.
How about the Skittergate? It's for military transport instead of being a weapon. Where will your low mass brain move the goalposts to this time.
>>64000547
Here's some thing straight from your quote:
>The noble type of person feels that he determines values; he has no need to be approved; he judges.
Putting yourself above all others.
>"What is harmful to me is harmful in itself"
What's good for me is right.
>He honors everything he knows about himself: such a morality is self-glorification.
Lacking any form of feelings of inferiority.
>The noble person also helps the less fortunate, but not, or almost not, out of pity, but rather out of an urge generated by an excess of power.
Skaven are incapable of pity. When they "help" a weaker one, it's to gain something from doing so.
>The noble person honors the powerful within himself, even the one who has power over himself, who knows how to speak and how to remain silent, who delights in exercising severity and harhness upon himself and has reverence for all that is severe and harsh.
Skaven are never idle, they are never satisfied with the power they have, they seek more. They respect a more powerful ones ability to impose their will, but will not accept that it's a permanent state and that as their own power grows, they'll take the place of a more powerful one.
>Such a person is proud of not being made for compassion
Skaven are incapable of the leftism causing weakness known as compassion.

>>64000770
>The Great One
You know, just for that I despise you Onkel Adolf does not deserve to be soiled by some chromosome lasagna like you.
>Skittergate
1. It's fucking vidya and matters shit for the lore.
2. It ain't fucking electricity nor is it fueled by a separate generator which supports it .
>Here's some thing straight from your quote
Nice job twisting it to your own purpose
>the awareness of a wealth that wants to give and give away
is a relevant part.
>Lacking any form of feelings of inferiority.
It doesn't say that, it says to pursue self-glorification and to espouse that which is worthy to be glorified
>When they "help" a weaker one, it's to gain something from doing so.
Nietzsche doesn't reduce it to helping solely to gain something, it's about not being weak to others using compassion against you
>they are never satisfied with the power they have, they seek more.
How the fuck did you get that out of?:
>The noble person honors the powerful within himself, even the one who has power over himself, who knows how to speak and how to remain silent

>>64000821
>1. It's fucking vidya and matters shit for the lore.
>2. It ain't fucking electricity nor is it fueled by a separate generator which supports it.
So it doesn't count because you say it doesn't, and if it isn't fueled by a seperate generator that supports it, then why is the final stretch of the level in the same game to destroy the parts of the generators that keep it from overloading?
>it's about not being weak to others using compassion against you
And how is that possible in one that has shed the leftism causing weakness of compassion?
>it says to pursue self-glorification
And that means lacking feelings of inferiority.
>How the fuck did you get that out of?:
"who delights in exercising severity and harshness upon himself and has reverence for all that is severe and harsh