Thread 63987919

Is a scoped uzi really the best weapon to use if you plan on escaping from new york?

>>63987919 (OP)
that's a MAC-10 with the Sionics suppressor.

>>63987919 (OP)
anon, im a nogunz faggot and even I know thats not an Uzi

>Yeah and we'll put the scope on the silencer!
>Looks badass man, send it!
Hollywood gun nonsense just loops back around to being charming.

>>63987966
They have to keep it kino

>>63987919 (OP)
Might be okay. These days people associate them with gangbangers, but nonetheless the MAC was at one point a gucci spook gun alongside the Uzi before the MP5 hit the scene. For example if the Iranian embassy siege had happened 5 years earlier, it would have been guys with silenced MACs repelling down the walls instead. As for the scope, depends on the magnification really. If its maybe 4x or less, it could be genuinely useful for target ID and getting shots out to 50 yards.

>>63987919 (OP)
>comparatively a lot of firepower in the mission zone given we only see one other revolver and a lot of crossbows in the city
>fully suitable caliber for the situation, none of the thugs have any sort of armor and .45 will do fine at close ranges
>compact for convenient storage given that he gets airdropped in on a tiny glider
>compact for ease of navigation in a cqc urban setting
>goofy rifle optic is less than ideal for running around a city at night but still situationally better than irons, limited alternative options for the time period
Yeah when you think about it it is a pretty gucci setup for the setting actually

>>63987988
Wonder if they used the same prop

>>63987919 (OP)
It is a suppressed MAC-10 with a scope somehow attached to the suppressor (AKA "silencer", but suppressor is the correct technical term).

John Carpenter tended to follow rule of cool, so he would do things like this in his films that don't necessarily make sense. But taking the question at face value, a suppressed MAC-10 is not a bad weapon for the task that Snake was sent to do.

Snake's job was to infiltrate a prison colony, extract a VIP (or at least his briefcase) and get out of there. He wasn't supposed to fight every convict, or really engage at long distance. Get in, get out. The MAC-10 was designed specifically for this sort of application. It is compact, decent magazine capacity and 45 is naturally subsonic so it suppresses well without compromising performance. As long as you don't have to fight a huge crowd of enemies at the same time, it is a great weapon for moving through an urban environment and quietly neutralizing a few obstacles in your way.

The scope doesn't make any sense. They mounted it on the suppressor because of the moving charging handle on top of the receiver. Side charging MAC clones exist now, which allows for optics to be mounted on top of the receiver, but not at the time the film was made.
Mounting the scope on the suppressor doesn't make much sense because the suppressor is not fixed very firmly on the gun. Removing and reattaching it invites the possibility of the scope not properly aligning with the point of impact. The suppressor does need to be reasonably parallel to the bore in order to prevent baffle strikes, but this might not be exact enough for a practical scope mounting solution.
Also, the MAC is open bolt operated. There is a delay and a significant shift in the balance of the gun between the trigger being pulled and the bolt closing to fire. This makes it very difficult to pull off accurate single shots at anything past short range, and renders the entire concept of a magnified optic extremely impractical.

>>63988069
>AKA "silencer", but suppressor is the correct technical term
Nigger faggot

God the woman from this movie had the fucking best tits I think she was married to the director (john carpenter) at the time too lol

>>63988229
Adrienne Barbeau
Yeah she was a real looker back in the day and she was married to John Carpenter at the time. They had Cody who is very influential today in the Synth music scene, heavily inspired by John's work in the 1980s.

>>63987919 (OP)
mp5 with a giant light is the best weapon for any operation

>>63987919 (OP)
Snake Plissken is so cool
https://youtu.be/gHUqNCDwQj4

>>63987919 (OP)
>escaping from new york
its better for cleaning up new york

>>63987919 (OP)
>>63987988
>>63988023
it certainly looks like the same prop.

>>63988069
>AKA "silencer", but suppressor is the correct technical term
Not according to the guy who invented them, the companies that actually make them, the patents that exist on them, the laws regulating them, etc. Only retards that think "silencer" sounds scary insist on giving it a new name so that "libs won't be scared and they'll stop regulating them so harshly."

All fully semi automatic firearms with a high capacity magazine clip are suppressors, because the military style rate of fire can suppress peace officers. What you are calling a suppressor is actually a gun muffler, also known as a "guffler" among military experts.

>>63987919 (OP)
>uzi

>>63989754
"Guffler" is a better name than "suppressor."

>>63989754
So is this Ivan or Matt

>>63987966
I believe that the logic may have been something akin to long-eye relief scopes on hunting handguns. Putting it on a screw-on suppressor is probably not very practical though.

>>63987919 (OP)
Quiet weapon which holds a lot of shots? Seems good to me.

>>63987990
>>63987993
Fully agree with these.

>>63988069
People don't care about these semantics, a .45 with a silencer is comparatively silent to one without, even if it's not completely quiet.

>Get in, get out. The MAC-10 was designed specifically for this sort of application
Yep, it really is a sensible weapon for the job. The only thing that it needed, and just in general, not just for the movie, was a better design for the stock which is less flimsy and rattly.

>Removing and reattaching it invites the possibility of the scope not properly aligning with the point of impact. The suppressor does need to be reasonably parallel to the bore in order to prevent baffle strikes, but this might not be exact enough for a practical scope mounting solution.
Accuracy would never be great, no.

>Also, the MAC is open bolt operated. There is a delay and a significant shift in the balance of the gun between the trigger being pulled and the bolt closing to fire. This makes it very difficult to pull off accurate single shots at anything past short range, and renders the entire concept of a magnified optic extremely impractical.
It'd be harder for sure, but taking aimed single shots with an open-bol gun is entirely doable with enough practice and familiarity, and you're presumably not going for fine subMOA precision anyway, rather to just help center groups while not obscuring your peripheral vision with a scope right up against your face.

>>63987919 (OP)
>not expecting body armor beyond football pads
>natively subsonic .45acp combined with good suppressor
>at most a x2 scope in case you need to pop a gun in the head quietly from 60yrds and cannot afford to miss
>small size means lots of ammo to carry
>decent "stoppin' powah"

The only issue is the fucking shit extendable stock which could be solved with a rubber coating .

>>63991943
Rubber isn't enough, if you've ever shouldered one of these, they're wobbly and flimsy as fuck. I imagine it would be pretty easy to damage it accidentally when it's extended.

>>63991589
Bro, a sig rattler chambered in 300blk would have been leagues better.

>>63993991
The movie was shot in fucking 1980, there WAS no Sig Rattler or .300BLK cartridge, and Sig Sauer was still a good company at the time.

>>63993991
>Bro, a sig
>bro
>sig

Anon, do often feel as though no one takes you seriously? Does it seem like people automatically dismiss anything you try to say? It might be the way you say things and what things you say. Because you're stupid.

>>63993991
Yeah that would have been great if it existed at the time. The film was made in 1981 and set in the strange, distant alternate future of 1997.

In 1997 the closest functional analog would have been one of the Russian suppressed 9x39mm assault rifles. 300 AAC blackout didn't exist until 12 years after that.