Thread 63989995

TFW the greatest weapon designers of all time will all now be thrown in prison for building illegal weapons and mgs in their garages
>thompson
>browning
>owen
>uzi
>stoner
>klashnikov
All these guys were just tinkering and came up with some world changing gems, Owen specifically would be the most fucked being in Australia with their fucked up laws yet alone the others. It’s no wonder why firearm action designs essentially flat lined after the faggot laws we have today passed.

>>63989995 (OP)
It was a different time alright

>>63989995 (OP)
Uziel actually got in trouble multiple times since childhood for making/owning/carrying guns, eventually ending up in prison for illegally CCing.
He was let out early when his irrepressible habit proved useful.

>>63989995 (OP)
This is across the board. The only reason tech is still somewhat "booming" is because the legislators are literally too stupid to even begin to fathom what's going on (and even so, they try to suffocate it nonetheless).

Basically, this is why there's usually a world burning event every ~100-200 years where they literally start out with a blank slate for regulations & most laws. It's overdue, but we likely won't see it for at least a 100 years because we lack the demographics (not enough youth). I expect this stagnation/stagflation to continue with literally everything until the system burns

>>63989995 (OP)
Yep, shits retarded. I have no problem with needing a licence to build guns but every licence should only cost the price of enforcement.
>need to be inspected once a year
>the licence costs 1 days wage for the inspector
All licence should be priced like this, they only reason they aren't is rich established companies want it to cost millions to compete with them.

>>63990656
>The only reason tech is still somewhat "booming" is because the legislators are literally too stupid to even begin to fathom what's going on (and even so, they try to suffocate it nonetheless).
nah. In the US, there's a lot of awareness of how fucked up AI is. But the general consensus is, we're in the lead, and we'd be retarded to give that lead up. The US is honestly the perfect place for tech, it's basically entirely unregulated, the government can't even block pirate websites.
Meanwhile you look at europe, they've basically gutted their entire tech sector, it's sad

>>63989995 (OP)
>mfw we discover turbo high density batteries and gauss/rail weapons become possible and are entirely unregulated

>>63989995 (OP)
If you're enough of a tinkerer to make a gun, you're enough of a tinkerer to make dummy cartridges and perhaps test cycle with a pneumatic system.

Lutty was throwj in jail.by the british government more than once.

>>63990656
Just wait for regulators start to shut down crypto and specifically privacy tokens or mixers like tornado cash or aintivirus that provide services for anonymity. They already tried to block out monero and USA government is going after tornado cash

It's ok
Jail the outliers
Torture the outliers
Humiliate the outliers
Destroy the outliers
Kill the outliers

>>63991121
I guess these days you can 3d print a test sample. But at some point you will need to make and test fire in real life

>>63991163
crypto is just a ponzi scheme tho

>>63991437
Yeah cuz social healthcare and society in general isn't. Fuck off

>>63991447
Even among Ponzi Schemes cryptos are particularly bad.
Healthcare and retirement have deficit but they aren't a volatile and excessively leveraged scheme.
>inb4 you didn't even mention fiat currency (of a shithole)
>inb4 bullion metal, they aren't really good

>>63991223
Yeah, people go into the woods, use a water/milk jug with the bottom cut off, dig a hole, stick the jug inside, cover it back up with dirt until only the mouth sticks out of the ground, then shove the barrel inside and plug the gaps with rags. You can now test cycle the weapon without the sound carrying for miles.
>>63991437
>>63991458
For fuck's sake. People saw how others made money with bitcoin and ethereum so they needed to create new cryptos to recreate the "getting on the ground floor" scenario.
I'm happy that you people can stay away from crypto scams but you don't understand "why" they're scams. Scam callers try to get you to buy Apple gift cards, that doesn't mean gift cards are a scam. That's just the means to do the job.
The scam is crypto is making you believe you're going to buy 100 shitcoin for a dollar a piece and sell it back when the value climbs to 10,000 dollars per shitcoin. That's not going to happen but the scammer who created the shitcoin already took your money. Most shitcoins are pumped and bumped and don't even last long enough to become a ponzi scheme, aka "rugpull". There are ponzi schemes involving crypto but they're essentially the same "fake business" garbage involving real promising you returns that are based not on actual investments or value being created but more suckers buying into the scam.
If I agree to sell you an illegal gun for 1000 USD worth of bitcoin, that's not a fucking ponzi scheme.

>>63991626
A rugpull needs of retards feeding (free marketing) the scheme for some months, couple of years...
>that's not a fucking ponzi scheme.
A lot of investment ponzi schemes can work normally for years before imploding for a sudden lack of liquidity. Bitcoin is big enough to be "established" but most people aren't really owners of real bitcoins because in current year bitcoin is a too cumbersome to use, just papers in a crypto exchange, like the older gold certificate system. The same with (probably) all forex websites, they're using normal currency or stock prices to add a little of credibility to a company that internally works like a ponzi scheme, they rely on clients to pay any gain, but none of them actually own currency or actions and the net money balance always favors the forex company...
TL;DR cryptos are a shit magnet for scammers, even if they become "serious" there're wrapped in layers of crap

>>63991626
The only value crypto has is the belief that someone dumber than you will buy it from you for higher value in X amount of time.
All crypto is a ponzi scheme.

>>63989995 (OP)
>following the law in current year
>not realizing that laws are an invisible wall of words that cannot prevent a crime, but can only punish a crime when discovered
Why on earth would you obey the law anymore or even be honest? The "best" of us lie and break the law frequently, and they're the happiest people on earth.

They have set a precedent for the rest of us to follow, and the time is now

>>63991966
They have the money to get away with it, you and I don't. But then again, the trees don't snitch

>>63992000
>trips confirms
I guess we know what to do then.

>>63989995 (OP)
grow up dumbass
they were all glowniggers and they are a proxy of whatever sub cult that ultimately belongs to one of the three abrahamic religions which ultimately are satanic sorcerers

>>63992211
Wander off from /x/?
How can every abrahamic religion be satanic? Satan doesn't exist in any of the other religions. He's an abrahamic character. Are you saying satan is the real god and made religions that pretend to oppose him for a laugh?

except now you just get a cushy contract and design it in a lab instead. look at the M7. one of the worst service rifles ever made but because it's 'american' it is defended to the death despite it literally falling apart, being heavy as fuck, painful to shoot, an ass to reload and of limited use in combat (multiplied by recoil issues). sig still gets the money and uses it to shut people up from complaining.

>>63992313
>Satan doesn't exist in any of the other religions. He's an abrahamic character. Are you saying satan is the real god and made religions that pretend to oppose him for a laugh?
Satanic is a term that encompasses more than worship of the christian devil

Did you ever consider that believing in human slavery is satanic?
Did you ever read what Frederick Douglass said about slavery and taxation?
there are currently over 6 billion satanists on planet earth

this is what Big Gun wants they don't want to compete with a gun genuis

>>63991683
>for years
=ekhm=
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Gold_(company)

A lot of famous people invested in it, lots of actors promoted it in good will

>>63992500
libertarian bro please stop being schizo

>>63991738
>trustlessly executed contracts don’t have any value
You do you, anon.

Op here, wow this thread really went off the rails lmao

>>63992000
>if an illegal full auto goes off in the woods does it actually make a sound

>>63992330
>a gun designed by committee can’t do anything great and is just an over priced meme that is peddled by the mic and circle jerked by shills and defense analyst simps

Imagine my shock, what are the odds

>>63989995 (OP)
You can build shit in your garage today, you just have to serialize it and jump through hoops if you want to sell it. I'm familiar with most of the names you mentioned and most of them had contracts with major manufacturers and/or governments so IDK what you're on about. Firearm design plateaued because they're pretty much a solved technology, much like blades. Any time one of those "what would a modern sword look like?" threads pop up the answer is "nothing new."

>>63992877
>Firearm design plateaued because they're pretty much a solved technology
Absolutely not you fucking retard. Firearm design "plateaued" at the government scale because firearms have become practically inconsequential and thus it is now preferable to produce a mediocre upgraded version of an obsolete rifle because it's very cheap and just good enough. Civilian firearm design still evolves because if it doesn't sales slowly diminishes, civilian gunmakers need new stuff to sell that's different from what came before it to get people to spend money on more guns. Nowadays the civilian market is the leading one in small arms technology. Flow-through cans weren't born from a government tender.

>>63992877
It’s literally illegal to build a mg for yourself or even worse for others to sell them unless you have your sot which all those guys didn’t have, and most people don’t have either, maxim built his mg in his workshop, gatling in his barn, and Owen like Luty built theirs in their garage too only one is a national hero while the other was imprisoned, which is ironic since if he did it now he would have been marked as a criminal like luty. your argument is invalid

>>63992923
>firearms have become practically inconsequential
Feel free to hit me with this angle when governments at any level stop vying for the hot new thing like modularity.
>Flow-through cans weren't born from a government tender.
So we agree that OP's fixated on the wrong things? Randos can in fact innovate?

>>63992949
>mg
You're getting into NFA stuff while talking about people who worked around it with contracts and/or people who did work outside of the US.

>>63992967
Stoner was just fucking around on his own before armalite was a thing, which was how he met Sullivan. browning was dicking around on his own before he figured out he can sell his designs to colt or fn for cash. Even when working on his mgs he did it freelance and was not working for a company so yeah today he would be fucked for doing that since he didn’t posses an sot

>>63992967
>the hot new thing like modularity.
Modularity isn't new, it has just become cost-effective to achieve with modern technological advances. And it's mostly a cost-cutting measure.
>So we agree that OP's fixated on the wrong things?
No. OP is right, regulation has made it harder for laypersons to invent new firearms, all around the world. That's just a fact.
>Randos can in fact innovate?
Yes, but it is now a lot harder to do without violating the lawn, which is OP's point. Just fuck off you disgusting, reading-comprehension-issues-having autist.

>>63993006
>browning was dicking around on his own
He started working for his dad, also a genius, at like 7.

>>63993026
>Modularity isn't new
But it's still the hot new thing.

>regulation has made it harder for laypersons to invent new firearms
But most of the people he listed weren't laymen.
>it is now a lot harder to do without violating the lawn
Like with what product in particular?

>>63992877
>Any time one of those "what would a modern sword look like?" threads pop up the answer is "nothing new."
Because those anons are uncreative. Swords would absolutely see improvements if they were in use today.

A modern sword would have a skeletonized titanium core with a press fit amorphous metal edge. You’d want a vibration dampening grip, which should be made of a lightweight textured polymer and wrapped in grip tape.
The scabbard could be greatly improved with magnets and electronics, allowing for locking mechanisms, faster draws, smaller footprints, and more comfortable wear.

Or you could make picrel

>>63993049
>But it's still the hot new thing.
Suicide drones aren't new. They're still the hot new thing.
>But most of the people he listed weren't laymen.
Yes they were, until their designs became successful they were mere tinkerers.
>Like with what product in particular?
Anything open bolt, any anti-bolt bounce mechanism or technologies related to full-auto that need it for testing, any rifled gun over a set bore limit.

>>63993074
>Suicide drones aren't new. They're still the hot new thing.
Yeah.
>Yes they were, until their designs became successful they were mere tinkerers.
Do tell.

>>63993058
>Or you could make picrel
No, Jetstream Sam's sword was made specifically for a superhuman. Make whatever you want with a titanium core, if it takes a bend then it's going to take a set. If I could afford a house made of titanium then I would, but I'd still want a steel sword.

>>63993114
>Do tell.
It's true for all of them, but Kalashnikov for example was just a technologically inclined private too injured to fight but with an idea for a new submachine gun, so he designed and made it without factory approval or support, got jailed trying to pitch it to army superiors because he sneaked the gun in, stopped them and just pulled it in front of their faces, then entered it into a competition for a new submachine gun in which it broke after less than 30 rounds. He kept on tinkering and eventually ended up with the AK.

>>63993146
>It's true for all of them
Again, no it's not. Kalashnikov was a weapon designer before the STG44 made an impression.

>>63993114
>Make whatever you want with a titanium core, if it takes a bend then it's going to take a set.
Tard rage doesn’t make you that strong, bud.

>>63993049
Yeah and not for a gun company

>>63993240
Then for who?

>>63993272
they were gunsmiths but not a gun company two different things. Being a car mechanic doesn't mean you can manufacture cars

>>63993299
>they
Cool it with the newspeak, I asked you a question.

>>63993230
I don't think you understand titanium.

>>63993304
>talking about John b and his father together
>Use the word they since it’s proper English
>thinking it’s new speak
Clearly your brain has woke current year rot, get some help

The recent developments in suppressor technology have been completely driven by the civilian market.

>>63993471
>talking about John b and his father together
Well then I gave you too much credit because JMB worked for his father's company.

>>63993495
Supressors are not weapons :)

>>63993507
which was a gunsmiths shop, stop trying to deflect

>>63993591
Deflect from and/or to what?

>>63993495
>Developed under a contract with the the Irregular Warfare Technology Support Directorate (IWTSD)

>>63993636
we started on the topic of where he worked, and tinkering with weapons then it became an argument about fucking pronouns. This was to deflect how you were getting your shit pushed in about the topic of how if you wanted to design a new gun these days its much more difficult because of govt red tape, and if these laws existed in the past all of the famous gun designers would have been arrested

>>63989995 (OP)
>TFW the greatest weapon designers of all time will all now be thrown in prison for building illegal weapons and mgs in their garages
Brownstones in NYC have a similar vibe
Some of the most simped over architecture in the US
Literally illegal to build now
Politicians are retards

>>63993758
>we started on the topic of where he worked
>he
You just said you were talking about multiple people. Of course to avoid being pedantic I know you were talking about JMB and you don't understand the environment in which he got his start.

>>63993783
he got his start while working in his fathers gunsmith shop, explain again how he was not dicking around with designing on his own?

>>63992211
meds

>>63993822
How is this not self-explanatory?
FFS JMB was even more litigious than his father.

>>63993641
Vaporware

>>63993873
It's used by several major Western nations' special forces and under investigation by several more for a line infantry option. It's the best flow-through suppressor in existence today.

>>63993857
Point being?

>>63994029
Again, self-explanatory.
Are you Mexican or something?

>>63992500
LibertAryan bro, please continue your schizophrenic rants.

>>63989995 (OP)
>TFW the greatest weapon designers of all time
>>thompson
>>browning
>>owen
>>uzi
>>stoner
>>klashnikov

Are you jewish or retarded? That list seems to have some very specific gaps and additions.

>>63989995 (OP)
>tfw historical circumstances change over time

>>63989995 (OP)
Yes, everything is gay and retarded now. I am fully aware.

>>63994180
Who you adding to the list, anon?

>>63989995 (OP)
trvthnvke!!!!

>>63993304
>I don't think you understand titanium.
Retard alert!

>>63994049
Still not seeing how him working for his family gunsmith shop is relevant to working in his own firearm designs independently

>>63994180
Care to elaborate / expand? These were just some off the top of my head that were not on the staff of a major company like dieudonné Saive at fn, or garand working at Springfield