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I have nothing to start with. Worst thing about vacation is that I'm not online when the rest of this site is. How's everyone else doing?

solid gold or tiger stripe deagle?

I'm unsure of how the rare breed thing affects super safeties so please let me know. My question is: How come more large firearm manufacturers or individuals weren't/aren't selling super safeties even before the RB lawsuit? I feel like there's a giant market to be exploited. Especially for people like me who don't have printers or access to machines to make steel SS

What is this helicopter? I only recognized the 2 chinooks it was following

>>63994770
Might as well go all out for the tiger stripe. A Desert Eagle is a silly gun, so given the option there is little reason not to go extra silly.
>>63994964
Patents and licensing are a component of it. Manufacturers can't just copy the idea and offer it OEM on their models without a royalty.
Liability is a factor if it creates a safety issue where some idiot doesn't understand how it works/NDs into someone else and goes after the manufacturer (even if it is their fault and they lose the case, fighting it can cost millions). It's one thing for the trigger to be an aftermarket accessory, but another if it comes installed from the factory.
Then there's just the regulatory risk. ATF likes to play red light/green light with how they interpret the laws they enforce, especially when you get a sweeping political shift between Democrat and Republican run administrations. They have adopted things like arm braces and "firearm" shotguns after somebody takes the risk and comes out of it ok. The risk in question is getting raided and losing your license. Even if it is temporary that stops everything dead in its tracks and at that point the company is hemorrhaging money daily for weeks or months. Rolling the dice on legally "gray" features like that can kill the entire company overnight if it backfires AND result in federal prison time for whoever made the call to do so.
>>63995393
Looks like a Blackhawk.

Do XM177 moderators actually silence the gun? Silencers are illegal in my country but I saw a gun store selling them last weekend.

Anyone here fly with a pistol? When you go to check the box with the airline, can you just lock the loaded mags in the same box as the unloaded pistol or does ammo have to have its own separate storage?

>>63995483
There's basically no room in them. From what I understand they really only made ~14" barrels sound more like a 20". Or more like an AK depending on who you believe. Still loud as fuck no matter who is right. I do wonder if they might help out a 22LR (~20") with subsonic ammo though. I also wouldn't discount the possibility of them being repros with no baffle stack/core like the solid ones we get in the US. For reference since I was strangely just reading about them on ARFcom.

>>63995483
There's very little space inside, see? I don't own one (yet, thanks HPA) but I can't imagine they do much and from what I hear it seems to be true. They also are a pain to clean. Maybe an ultrasonic cleaner or "the dip" could help but I hear they fill up rather fast and start to get louder.

I had a shitty bul armory tomahawk where every few shots it would double feed because the casing was stuck in the chamber. I have many questions all of them variations of how?

>>63995912
Either extractor isn't getting a good grip on it or the chamber is too rough. Have you talked to whatever warranty department they have?

>>63995881
>>63995891
Thanks.

>>63995483
Like the other anon said, most likely just repros with no baffles. Usually silencer laws don't take into consideration how actually effective a silencer is when regulating it so I'd presume any laws on silencers will cover moderators.

Are there any other suppressors that are similar to this one where the barrel is partially shrouded? All I can find are pic related.

>>63996345
I'm assuming you already know this but silencers that have a volume behind the muzzle of the barrel they attach to are called reflex silencers.

>>63995504
honestly i would just unload them and avoid the hassle entirely. TSA is probably going to be less familiar with the rules than you are, and if you get a guy with a stick up his ass he could make you miss your flight

>>63995483
Sane people wouldn't call them a silencer or suppressor. That wasn't the intent. It changes the sound but doesn't make it quiet. However the ATF are faggots and decided that it is legally a suppressor. That only applies in the US. Check your laws where you live. There's a good chance it doesn't count.

>>63995504
Ammo has to be in factory ammo boxes. No loose ammo, no loaded mags, no bag of reloads. Actual ammo boxes. The ammo boxes can be in the case with the gun and empty mags.

>>63996345
That particular can is the Allen Engineering AEM4. Its called a reflex supressor because it has expansion volume behind the muzzle as well as in front. Theres a few cans in this style made by Ops Inc, Allen and Otter Creek Labs. Allen and OCL are still making them.

Can I have sex

Is blue loctite sufficient to secure a shotgun recoil tube? The factory one used to red but it was a nightmare to get off and that experience makes me never want to see red loctite again

>>63996624
>is blue sufficient
should be fine. make sure you clean everything well first though.

>red was a nightmare to get off
Skill issue. Use heat or acetone and it comes apart easily.

>>63996615
Certainly.

The only question is if the sex you currently have the opportunity to perform is sex you would actually like to have.

I have a KelTech Sub 2000 CQB that I've only used twice and am trying to sell. Should I try and sell it to a store/pawn shop local to me or will I get a better quote online?

>>63996906
That is the one with the integral suppressor, correct?

I would recommend holding off until next year, because the regulations surrounding the silenced components make selling/buying it a pain in the ass which significantly limits how/to who you can sell it (most people don't want to do NFA paperwork no matter how easy it is).
With regulations loosening, or at least tax stamps going to zero, come Jan 1st a lot of people are going to be looking for anything suppressed. That would be a much better time to sell.

As far as selling online, I'm not sure how that works for an individual with an NFA item, but locally to an FFL 07 or FFL 09 would be pretty easy. I recommend shopping around to see who would give you the best offer.

Generally speaking the gun industry is pretty slow right now so a lot of dealers are struggling to sell. They usually don't want to buy much, but if you are willing to trade across/trade up/trade down for another gun they might be more generous.

>>63996927
That's helpful. I got into handgun shooting so I tried to level up to rifle shooting, but I never really got the hang of it and would rather just master my handgun since I live in a residential/suburban area and my M&P9 does everything I would need it to do for home defense.

Waiting until next January sounds enticing but I've got a little under $2k of my credit card to pay off so I'm trying to scrounge together what I can from selling stuff I don't have any use for plus some secondary income. Ideally I'd like to get the best quote I can but also get my card paid off ASAP since the interest rates have created an unnecessary burden (my own fault for biting off more than I could chew).

>>63996669
90 minutes with a heatgun

>>63995393
>>63995433
Black paintjob and refueling probe suggests MH-60, which is the fancier special forces version used by the 160th.

>>63996464
Thank you, the OCM5 is exactly what I was looking for. Cheaper and dont have to fuck with that gay collar thing

>>63996927
>>63996948
Selling NFA items is easy, same as selling any other gun really, you just send it to the buyer's FFL. But like anon said, the market for used NFA stuff is generally shit, except for transferable machine guns. Even very rare SBRs, AOWs, SBSes, sell for a lot less compared to what rare non-NFA guns sell for. Waiting until January will be better since the tax will drop, but still don't expect to get a lot of money or sell it quickly. Few people want used suppressors.

>>63995936
I tried swapping out the extractor with an apex one and polishing the chamber and it still happened, I got rid of it because it had a few light primer strikes.
Fuck that, even if they fixed it I wouldn't want it back. My sccy is more reliable.

how much do the HK builders in he US charge to assemble a G3 kit? rough ballpark, I might have a line on 2 complete kits and more non numbers matching kits.

Is anyone familiar with arms of the US Navy during the 80's?

I have a buddy whose father served on the USS Whale in the 80's. His father described carrying a shotgun during the watch. My buddy wants to buy a shotgun like the one that was issued to crews like on the Whale. Does anyone know what this might have been?

So "legally" if I 3d printed an AR lower and sold it to a friend or anyone else, I'd have to serialize it before right?

>>63997393
Likely either a Remington 870 (you do not want a modern Remington!) or a Mossmaster. Both are common in gun stores.

>>63996948
It doesn't hurt to take it to a few dealers who deal with suppressors and get some idea of what they would pay for it. You don't have to take their offers, but it would give you an idea of what you are looking at or if it covers your immediate financial needs.

Check with multiple dealers before taking any offer, but in the end if you need the money NOW you are going to lose a lot of what you paid for the gun. If it isn't going to make any dent in your current debts I would consider just keeping it and shooting it more.
>>63997432
You mean the one they printed when they borrowed your printer for a day?
You generally aren't supposed to transfer self-manufactured guns to anybody unless you are a manufacturer FFL.

Any anons in the Bozeman area? I want to go shooting on public land this weekend, and having looked around, Copper City seems like the best bet. I've heard of the public land near Logan, but from what I've read, it seems a bit dicey there in terms of safety.

As long as I'm in state land (blue square) shooting into a berm facing away from trails, I should be good to go, right? And yes, I'll bring a trash bags to dispose of my garbage.

I have an old 12 gauge single-shot Stevens shotgun that I need a new firing pin for, but I can't find the model number anywhere on it. How do I go about identifying it?

>>63997648
As unlikely as it is, if I were somehow prosecuted for this in a future why my states laws somehow get worse, could it be argued that "Oh my friend came over to my house and hit print, so its not mine"

>>63997754
So if you have even a remote fear of prosecution, why even do it?
I wouldn't, if I were you, since it could be felonious
Loose lips sink ships; I'd just call it off and stop posting about it online
Entertaining this idea further seems foolish
Never engage in activities that put you at risk of prosecution. It's just not worth it
Couldn't you just let your friend barrow the printer and some filament?
Endeavoring to make and sell guns, even to fiends, without an FFL is foolhardy.

I'd just stop
Seriously

Good riddance is what I would say
Obviously, a bad idea
Legally, it's a minefield
Do not proceed, is my advice
Endangering yourself with felonies is rather foolish
Never discuss this online again

>>63997805
I don't, its legal AFAIK in NC. Im just curious as to how things could go should libtards take power and retroactively make me a criminal
But yeah I get your point.

>>63996280
>>63996446
I checked the moderators they sell again. And yes, they have baffles just like the real one. The laws in my country said every metal tube with baffles is a silencer so I'm not gonna risk it.

>>63997393
On at least the Stennis and Vinson they were still issuing 870s and M-14s in the early 2000s.

>>63997752
https://www.gunpartscorp.com/gun-manufacturer/savstevspgfld/shotguns-sav

> turknelli
talk me out of it.

>>63999736
Panzer makes the best clone, allegedly. /k/ hates anything Turkish, and a lot of people will point to James Reeves and his reviews of other cheap shotguns for why you shouldn't buy one, but he has yet to review this one despite several requests to do so, and there are several other reviews of it on youtube that praise it and say it's great. Do with that what you will.

>>63999736
It will never have the same quality of a true Benelli. They are cheaper and they have to cut corners beyond just cheaper labor costs and much brand markup to sell them at the price they do.

That said, it is still a copy of a fundamentally good design. Depending on the brand most are 1:1 fully parts interchangeable clones, so individual parts can be upgraded with Benelli OEM or aftermarket parts over time.
There is a bit of a dice roll on quality because Turks don't do much QC during assembly and they subcontract all the parts to a vast ecosystem of small manufacturers with highly variable and fluctuating quality. While one of the better types of Turk shotguns, the M4 clones are not immune to being defective or wearing out prematurely.

I recommend approaching it this way.
If your end goal is to get a Benelli M4, save for a real M4. The $400 you spend on a clone outs you another $400 away from getting there.
If you are not that dedicated to it being a real M4 and you just want something that's pretty close to it while using the rest of the money for other things then get a Turknelli.
If you are getting a Turknelli, research the CS contacts and standards of the US importer selling them. How long the warranty is and if anybody responds to emails at all. For instance I had pretty good results with a MAC 1014 imported by SDS which needed the rear sight assembly replaced. Another clone imported by a fly by night company might leave you screwed if something goes wrong.

I have had 2 Turkish M4 clones so far and both functioned very well. But I do know that not everyone is so fortunate.

>>63999852
>>63999882
all right, thx guys, if i get one i'll refrain from posting pics of it on /k/, so i don't get bullied.

>>63999964
I don't think there's any real shame to it. If it works, it isn't stupid.
If it doesn't work, send it back. Simple as.

Why are there so many models of shotguns with minimal differences in function? A turkey shotgun, a waterfowl shotgun, an upland hunting shotgun, a skeet shotgun, etc. They all use the same fucking recoil systems too. The only difference is 2" of barrel and whether it has a fudd camo, gawdy gamer or tasteful wood furniture finish. And then you look at Berettas and Benellis and they'll have all these models for the A300 or M2 and then all these models for the A400 and Ethos. And then they'll have entirely different model lines using the same exact gas system except they have a magazine tube that extends to the end of the barrel (or past it for 3gun shit) and now this entirely different shotgun is a tactical one. I've owned nothing besides a Mossberg 590 and Benelli m4 and just wanted to broaden my horizons a bit and get something I could go skeet shooting with and possibly go duck hunting within the future and it's making me feel like I'm having an aneurysm. And then there's the whole gas vs inertia thing although the one "inertia" semi auto shotgun I've fired was a piece of shit that recoiled a ton (Browning A5) for a semi so I'm leaning towards something that's gas operated and Italian

>>63997701
Any Montananons?

>>63994763 (OP)
Can some one post the real one?

Anyone who owns either or both an MP5 and MPX, which of them do you prefer? Looking to get one of them so I can make them super safe (MPX super safety coming out soon) so need help deciding. iirc for the MP5 you need a whole new lower for the system to work. MPX one is looking like its a drop in thing

https://x.com/ASDesignsFRTs/status/1944527129145970983?t=LJ363oLetB1HbZsDDTN4zg&s=19

https://x.com/s3igu2/status/1945621017453293597?t=WNuTkhrVtopszeBaV5QiXw&s=19

Do you wear disposable gloves when cleaning/lubricating/greasing your funz?

>>64001467
Some of it is marketing, mainly because its really easy to slap a new skin on an existing design and then sell it.
That said, good shotguns are designed very differently. Nobody shoots a semi or a pump in competitive skeet or trap, O/U doubles rule. A skeet gun has a different stock shape and different rib than a trap gun because the shooting is different. Both of those tend to be quite heavy because a competitor shoots a lot of shells but walks very little. On the other hand a hunting gun, especially one for upland hunting, tends to be built light because you walk a lot but shoot very little. Guns for hunting turkeys or deer often have very different sights from traditional shotguns because in those situations you aim the gun like a rifle rather than pointing. Like you mentioned tactical guns are completely different.

>And then there's the whole gas vs inertia thing
Like the lever-action vs. pump-action vs bolt-action thing? Or semis vs revolvers? Different action types exist, and they have different pros and cons. Like you mentioned tactical guns are a whole different story. Capacity is really the big deciding factor. If you don't need high capacity then a break-action gun mogs a semi or a pump because it doesn't have any space or weight wasted by a bolt.

>"inertia" semi auto shotgun I've fired was a piece of shit that recoiled a ton (Browning A5)
Lol, A5 is recoil operated not inertia operated you retard.

>>63994763 (OP)
moved from cincy to louisville a few weeks back for work and still havent gotten out for some /k/ stuff. Any louisville locals/people knowledgable of the area have any reccomendations for ranges/shops? need to get out of the house this weekend but kinda blind on the locale.

>>64001838

>>64003167
only if I'm cleaning something I expect to be super nasty like a newly acquired crusty old antique or cosmoline-soaked surp, or refinishing a stock. Normal gun handling/cleaning? I wash my hands when I'm done.

>>64003753
Thank you.

>>64001467
Shotguns are one of those things that is very simple in theory but the deeper you dive into it the more nuanced things get. Everything from chokes, to sights, trigger, action, recoil, cyclic rate, this one points well, that one doesn't, etc. It can make your head spin.

Most of it is nonsense that doesn't really matter 1/10th as much as some fudd thinks it does, but because he thinks that way there's a feature he looks for. Ergo, a market for that special shotgun exists.

I usually recommend that people not overthink it too much for an entry level skeet/trap/hunting shotgun. Get something affordable, shoot the absolute piss out of it until it breaks, and decide what you want next based on what you learned in the process of shooting that cheap one to pieces.

>>64005476
>Most of it is nonsense that doesn't really matter 1/10th as much as some fudd thinks it does
"Cast" always gets me, but I can see how it matters over none.

>>63994763 (OP)
P10C with Holosun SCS is supposed to be pre-aligned but the green reticle isn't even close to being centered over the front sight.

Is this actually normal for pistol dots? Internet is inconclusive.

What was that meme that looked like this, but didn't have the "chin up bro" portion, and was a dude in camo in the woods? Anyone have a copy of that?

Does anyone know which board the marineR general was on? Like, guys working on boats.

Browsing gubnroker and saw this, Can someone explain how removing rifling improves accuracy?

>>64006062
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>>64006328
A bad crown is bad for accuracy so they drill that part out; the new "crown" is a bit further down where the rifling is still good.

>>63994763 (OP)
Does anybody know about this walther patent I found? I couldn't find anything about it online, it's a straight pull bolt action
https://patents.google.com/patent/DE102023135241B3/en?assignee=Carl+walther&oq=Carl+walther&sort=new

>>64006328
It's called "counter-boring".This was commonly done on mosins.
Basically the rifling on a barrel tends to wear from the muzzle and the throat of the chamber, but the rifling in the middle tends to hold up better. Wear at the muzzle, or "crown" is particularly bad for accuracy because uneven wear at the last point of contact can throw the bullet off as it leaves the barrel. Simple fix is to counter-bore, typically a half inch and in doing creat a new even crown at the end of some rifling that is still good. This solution isn't as good as fully replacing the barrel, but it is an expedient fix short of doing that.
>>64005714
It can help change how a gun feels and points, which matters on a firearm where bringing it up and shooting it quickly but accurately is important. Some shotguns come with a set of stock shims specifically in order to allow a user to set it up how they prefer.
It shouldn't be make it break, but I can see it being relevant.

>>63994763 (OP)
Is there any reason to get a pump over semi auto these days?

>>64007357
Semi autos tend to be difficult on variables such as using longer shell loads. The recoil decides what you can cycle on many of them. If gas operated, it really is hard to be decided what you can cycle.

Also pumps are the best tube fed ones because of how you can reload. If it's semi, get a detachable mag.

>>64007366
Gen 12 any good? Is it a picky eater like most semi?

>>63996615
Much easier to accomplish if you have a firearm

Why has no one in the west attempted to clone the AN94? Obviously it would be expensive to produce but it seems like the sort of thing which could sell itself reasonably well on the ruski space magic/collectors value angles alone?

>>64007706
The only reason anyone is interested in it is the hyperburst gimmick. Since you can't put that in a clone build nobody wants it.

>>64007357
Price. Maverick 88 is a hell of a lot more reliable than rolling the dice on a turkshit semi.

>>64007706
>collectors
>clone
pick one.

does /k/ recall any instances where an assailant's gun fails to fire, and an alternate course of events is open to the participants? did it seem to align with god's will?

>>64007357
Reliability is still the primary reason. Even the best, most reliable semi automatic shotguns can only reliably cycle a specific range of loads and velocities. That range has expanded over the years, but really low velocity game loads or any specialty loads will cause problems. Extremely high velocity can cause accelerated wear or damage internals.

Besides that, a pump action of comparable quality to a semi automatic shotgun will always be significantly cheaper. You don't always need the cutting edge equipment, just a good solid tool. Something like a Mossberg 500 or Maverick 88 ticks the box just fine.

Maintenance is also much simpler, since a pump action has much fewer components to worry about and no gas system to clean. Of course inertia or long recoil shotguns don't have gas systems either, but they have their own trade offs.
>>64007424
Nowadays most can cycle everything from slightly spicy target loads to high velocity buckshot, but it is best to double check manufacturer recommendations when considering buying one.
>>64007706
Absolute dead end.
The AN-94 is a fantastically complex gun built entirely around a hyper burst function which would never be legal to sell. Without it, you have an extremely complicated rifle that does nothing special.
Being complicated as it is creates a near insurmountable barrier to cloning it in the first place. There are few examples if any to work with as a reference and no blueprints available.
But let's suppose somebody gets lucky and gets the whole TDP from Izhevsk.
Even if successful, you are now stuck with a dilemma. Collectors all want the real thing and are going to be suspicious of an imitation, they aren't willing to pay a whole lot. Making a semi auto only copy of something like an AN-94 in small scale would be horrifically expensive, making it in large scale would mean trying to find a way to sell thousands of goofy, heavy, complicated, probably unreliable 5.45mm rifles to people who aren't interested.

>>63994763 (OP)
I've got an HK53 parts kit I got from hkparts like 5 years ago. I haven't built it and they are selling for over $10k now. What would be the best way to unload it? Gunbroker?

>>64008428
Yeah, probably.
Take a lot of pictures. Good detailed pictures of every part. The target customer for an item like that is going to have autism so strong it can cut steel.

>>63994770
>>63995433
The correct answer is black tiger stripe

>>64008450
I actually like that gray and black 2-tone more.

>>64008393
Personally I feel the claim that "semi shotguns being picky about ammo" is a meme, at least when it comes to guns from well known brands (read: not turkshit). I've owned a variety of semi shotties over the years: Browning A5, Remington 1100, Mossberg 930, Beretta 1301 comp, Benelli Cordoba, M2 & M4. All of them would reliably cycle the cheapest wal-mart 1oz target loads up through magnum slugs & hunting loads. Yeah sure the A5 won't cycle that if you have the friction rings in the high power configuration, but it shoots them just fine if you RTFM and have it set up right. I didn't get a chance to try these in all of those guns but the 1301, 1100, and all the Benellis would cycle Fiocchi Exacta 7/8oz 1100fps super low-recoil trainer loads, which is the weakest 12ga I've ever come across.

Maybe turkshit guns are problematic, and things like less-lethal, dragons's breath, etc, won't reliably cycle semis, but I think the problem is vastly exaggerated when it comes to target, hunting, or defense loads.

>>64008393
>>64009097
Thanks,

Really like idea of AR style shotgun, havent heard much about gen-12 outside shill vids. Looks like its reliable but i trust /k/ more.

I held my shotgun while putting my finger through a karambit's rear ring (trigger finger). I felt I could almost hold both at once, though I'm pretty sure it'd be terrible to fire with.
Would it be possible to machine a gun you can comfortably aim and fire while holding a knife?

>>64006989
Here's a pic of the other side

Serious question... Is archery /k/ or more /out/-related?

>>63994763 (OP)
I bought some old revolver grips which I thought fit a K-Frame but the pin is in the wrong place (rear, red) compared to the middle pin spot a K-Frame should have (green). They would otherwise fit my Model 10. What's the deal? Generic pic from ebay edited to show what I mean (not my actual grips).

>>64010385
its either for an older k frame or a different revolver. if you already own it and it seems like they fit but a bole is missing just drill a hole yourself.

What should I buy first for a new handgun? sights, flashlight or magazines?

Anyone know of any good bore sights? The cartridge shaped ones that go in the chamber are shoddy, but the universal down-the-muzzle ones seem much better.

>>64010506
The only thing I can think is that yeah, it's for an older K Frame (or one of the really old knockoffs before they caught up with them and squashed that) but I can't find any with the odd pin placement. The grips are made from horn and they're very very old. Very professionally made, too; checkered with the diamond around the screwhole. Has a logo on the rounded top I've never seen; looks like a snowflake or if you're familiar, a hex sign on a barn. I probably won't use them on anything but a 22 and they need some crack repair before I would do that.

Will the carry handle on a KS7 fit on a KSG?

>>64010547
The cartridge ones are fine, just don't slam the bolt closed on them.

>>64009830
>Would it be possible to machine a gun you can comfortably aim and fire while holding a knife?
...bayonets?

>>64010954
No, I mean the kind of knife you'd use after dropping the gun. Some guns can't handle bayonet motions.

Whats a good place to get prescription shooting glasses at?

>>64007357
Price. A pump you can trust your life too is pretty cheap. I just checked and there's a Mav88 deal with an 18.5 and 28" barrel combo for $260. The cheapest, new semi auto I would trust is an A300 and that's a lot more money.

Why does BC increase with velocity? Picrel is the BC of a bullet I was modeling in online software. Note the increase from Mach 2->2.5->3

What are some semiauto 22lrs i can 3d print without needing any extra/minimal parts from store?

Anyone know what vest this gamer has?

What are some "affordable" options for red dot sights now that aren't complete shit?

>>64012482
How "affordable" you looking?

>>64012487
$100-200 range ideally

>>64012497
Swampfox isn't absolute trash, but you might want to consider saving for $400 tier, it's worth the jump in quality.

>>64012137
People call it a "ballistic coefficient" out of tradition, but it's not actually a constant. Early ballisticians assumed it was due to the limited understanding of their time but it simply isn't a constant, airflow behavior varies with speed. If you want to understand the underlying physics I suggest Modern Exterior Ballistics by McCoy.

>>63994763 (OP)
As a socially awkward Califaggot nogunz, how can I find friendly people in my area who would go shooting with me?

I want to try shooting for fun, but the shooting ranges here require you to either bring your own firearm or another person as part of an anti-suicide effort.
I don't know anybody who is interested in guns (I don't know many people, really) or can buy a gun right now (I don't have the living accommodations for storing one or really want to have my own).

Looking online for local shooting groups has not netted me anything yet. Sorry, difficult question I imagine, but any advice?

>>64010922
I got a cartridge one, but it just ever so slightly wiggles a tiny bit in the 2 chambers I've tried it in

>>64012943
Do you know anyone at all on a personal level?. As antigun as Cali seems a fuckload of them own guns hell multiple guns. But they won't admit it to some random guy. Even if your friend is no guns his dad or some guy he knows probably has one. Even if everyone you know is no guns you count just tell your friend hey wanna go with me to the range I'm paying. And they will go for the hell of it.

>>64013701
Yeah, I know several people on a personal level, it's just they all seem a bit too liberal for it and I'm worried they'll see me as a nut if I ask.
But you know, I'm just being a pussy, you're right. I'll ask around in the people I know. Thank you anon.

as far as i can tell, the laws around short barreled rifles and shotguns exist purely to stop black people from having small concealable cheap firearms. why isnt that brought up more? everyones going all woke and gay, except for...the gun industry?

>mfw i learn why rifle barrels have to be 16 inches and shotguns barrels have to be 18 inches
yeah haha, isnt that pretty funny why those two inches matter definitely dont look that up, or anything.

>>64014460
>implying criminals follow the law

>>64014465
of course not, but if you dont have those laws in place, when you arrest them you cant charge them and imprison them for "nothing". you need a reason. in this case, 2 inches of steel.

>>64014460
It was actually originally "those damn mobster criminal italians" at the time IIRC and yes a lot of people have brought that up in recent years; the HPA has been around for years and the SHORT Act and similar have also sprung up around it. SBR law is also fucking retarded not just because criminals won't care but the difference between someone who's 6'7" and 5'0" is fucking retarded. Mr 6'7" can probably conceal an underfolder AK in his jacket while 5'0" can probably maybe conceal a 92FS in his. Not to mention the fact that supposedly the NFA's SBS/SBR/AOW only really existed to close a loophole; handguns were originally going to be tax stamped all the same ($200) but was pulled at the last minute but we got stuck with the retardation of the SBS/SBR/AOW "loophole filler" regs and now we're here nearly 100 years later still fucking living with the consequences.
>yeah haha, isnt that pretty funny why those two inches matter definitely dont look that up, or anything.
Originally both had to be 18", then 22LRs could be 16" (for some reason), then oops we sold the public M1 carbines that were under 18" so now rifles are 16". Forget the fact that Winchester sold 14" trapper carbines and shit like the Game Getter existed before the NFA.

>>64014522
>we sold the public M1 carbines
thats basically what i was getting at. fuckin yahoos. i wonder if they used whiteout to fix it

What model Camelbaks or Camelbak equivalents does this work with?

I tried asking Camelbak themselves and they were completely unhelpful.

I'm an idiot
for the longest time, I thought "shouldering" meant you put your buttstock into your actual shoulder
appartently, it's actually on your chest under your collarbone?
that was confusing

>>64014883
Roughly, yeah. The squishy portion at the top lateral part of your pec.

Just shoulder a rifle and you’ll see what I mean. The buttstock is designed to be “shouldered” so there’s really only one natural part of your body for it to interface with. It’s weight to put it on your shoulder. It places the gun too far away from your face.

>>64014460
The NFA doesn’t exist to restrict the type of guns blacks can own. Gun laws don’t really apply to blacks, they’re running around unimpeded with machineguns these days, blissfully unaware of what the NFA is. Not that they’d even care if they knew, as adherence to any law or code of conduct is ypipo shit, and I’s a real skreet nigga, I’s really bout dat YN lyf.

IIRC the NFA was established to make the preferred weapon of Italian mobsters prohibitively expensive. 200 bucks back then was like 3 grand today. Those fucking greaseballs are the reason we have to jump through hoops for cool short guns and can’t own machineguns. We get the worst of the both worlds. All the retarded gun legislation and we don’t even get to have cool pinstripe-clad Italian gangsters.

>>64015062
yeah, I just spent all evening shouldering to get used to putting it in the proper spot
I'm betting this has something to do with why my shots are hitting right (left handed)
the rifle was misaligned and naturally pointed out to the right

>>63994763 (OP)
Question for a game set in 2002. If somebody wanted a powerful select fire gun, what would be both the most concealable (large coat) and powerful for somebody of above average strength? Modifications are on the table, so shit like Clyde's cut down BAR is on the table.

I'm strongly considering selling off the majority of my gun collection.

I would be going from 17 guns to 5 guns.

I also have about 500 rounds of ammo for each different gun which are almost all different calibers.

Is doing a consignment at a local gun shop and them taking 20% a fair deal? Will they be willing to buy my ammo?

Should I do it? They are mainly comblock weapons and aren't even that valuable.

I got a Mauser p38 from WWII I'm considering selling but It makes me wonder if it will go way up in value over the next 20 years... (I'm only 34 years old)

I got too much crap and I want to minimalize my life

Best budget earpro?

>>64015487
Plugs or muffs? I like my impact sports FWIW. Great cheap electronic muffs IMO.

>>64015297
In the 80s the Brits used short-barreled, folding-stock G3s for some of their units. Same power as the BAR but in a much more compact package. By all accounts they were utterly fucking miserable to actually shoot.

>Kar-98K reciever
>Airsoft full length plastic stock
>Line inside of plastic with layers of aluminum foil
>Badace rail replacing rear sight


Tell me why this wouldnt work in a hunting application

>>64015507

Looks like that's indeed the consensus for electromuffs. What would I be losing compared to earpro I can't afford, like Sordin?

>>64012939
I’m going through some chapters of that book now, things that interest me. Jesus, why the hell is drag so complicated?

>ACKSHUALLY, a sears-haack ogive is NOT the lowest drag shape
>a slightly blunted meplat has lower drag than a fine pointed one

Thanks for the recommendation bro

>>64014460
>why isnt that brought up more?
SBRs and SBSes were written into the NFA because the NFA originally banned pistols, and SBRs/SBSes were the obvious workaround
>I swear it's not a pistol officer, it's a shotgun with a short barrel!

At the last minute pistols were removed from the NFA but SBSes and SBRs were not. People don't really talk about them because pistols are even easier to conceal.

>>64015546
>>Line inside of plastic with layers of aluminum foil
For what purpose? If you're trying to strengthen the stock that won't do much. Reinforcing it with composite the way people build boats could work, depending on exactly what caliber you were using and how much extra room there is in the stock shell for reinforcement.

>>64012352
Kneejerk reaction is Grad-1 or -2 or Nerpa with pouches mounted to the waist belt, but MVD vests in the chechen wars had huge variety with no real documentation so it could be some obscure nameless shit.

>>64010536
Ammo. Nothing else. Shoot 2,000 rounds at least.

>>64016377
Presumably for heat, but heat is irrelevant for a hunting rifle anyway.

>>64017292
I wouldn't be concerned about heat at all. That is a non-issue. I would certainly be concerned about the stock being able to handle the recoil force and how anon plans on attaching the action into the airsoft shell. If this were a 22 then that isn't much of a concern but if we're talking a full power centerfire caliber like 8mm mauser? Different story.

What are the pros and cons of carrying a knife like this?

>>64017532
If lego plastic can make a tall ass tower, it can take the force of the aryan cartridge

>>64019859
>aryan cartridge

>>64019225
Pros: Concealment
Cons: You risk cutting yourself at the draw. You risk stabbing yourself when putting the knife away. Wearing a backpack is now an issue. Driving a car is now an issue.

Despite the name, it's a city style method of carrying, for self defence. It's a good way to have a fixed knife concealed. For utility, traditional is best. Crossdraw for larger blades.

>>64019859
>8mm Mauser
>Aryan cartridge

That distinction belongs to the 6mm SAW.

>>64019891
>Despite the name, it's a city style method of carrying, for self defence. It's a good way to have a fixed knife concealed. For utility, traditional is best. Crossdraw for larger blades.

I live more or less in a city. I walk at night a lot and want to have something available in case of a dog attack. I carry Sabre pepper spray, but it's a stream meant for use around 20'. I wouldn't trust being able to get it in a dog's face up close. I want something I can easily get to and use to get the dog to fuck off.

I'm not worried about using it driving or with a backpack. Putting it away will be an issue for a different time.

>>64017532
With how autistic the airsoft WWII larpers are, the stock should be sufficiently close to just assemble normally. The foil would serve a double purpose of ensuring a tighter fit.

Why's everyone obsessed "modular" guns and what the fuck does that even mean. You can put anything you want on any modern gun. Everything is already modular

>>64011943
Fellas, would you trust an expensive well made pump or expensive well made semis?


Same question but semi got giggle switch.

What sling should I get for my 88? Just want something cheap and practical that’ll work with the folding stock.

>>64020237
You don't have anywhere to attach it. This is what I had to do for my 870.

>>64020022
>airsoft WWII larpers are
I don't understand the purpose of using an airsoft stock. If anon wants a stock for a K98 why not use a normal wood K98 stock? The only context an airsoft stock makes any sort of sense for is if it was for a totally different sort of gun and he's playing dress-up.

>>64020215
>reliable pump vs. reliable semi
Semi, easily, because you don't have to worry about short-stroking it.

>giggle
fun range toy but I wouldn't use it for defense. it makes the gun much harder to control yet adds no practical benefit.

>>64020421
Lighter by 3 pounds. Less enviromentally sensitive than wood.

>>64020447
Okay, so why not get a composite or synthetic stock in that case? Those are a thing, the action bolts right in with no guesswork. Why the interest in airsoft specifically?

>3 lbs lighter
you're going to have fun with the recoil :)

>>64020463
they make those? I couldnt find any
>recoil
My shoulders can take it. Trust.

>>63994763 (OP)
why doesn .308 not actually convert to 7.62mm?

I kinda want to use the lower rail on ny sr22 for something but honestly I don't really know what, would going for an olight of some sort or a laser specifically made for the gun be better?

>>64020558
Naming traditions are not consistent. Some use bullet diameter, some use groove diameter of the barrel, some use land diameter of the barrel, and some use made-up numbers that don't really match anything at all. You should treat them as names, not actual measurements.

>>64020527
>they make those?
facepalm.jpg Mauser synthetic stocks are common. You might be fucking up your google searches by including the "K" in your search. Just search for "Mauser synthetic stock" or "Mauser composite stock". There are many. Hell even Hogue makes one. Don't forget laminate as an option as well.

does anyone have experience with these things?
are they good enough to get you on paper?
any way to royally fuck up using it?

>>64020741
>are they good enough to get you on paper?
Yes. But it's also a waste of money. On most rifles you can simply pull the bolt and look down the bore instead. For those you can't, those cheapo chinesium boresights that fit in a chamber or stick in the muzzle do the job just fine and cost much less. That tool is an expensive solution to a problem that doesn't really exist.

Is there any way to sight in a combat shotgun that doesn't require me to go out and buy slugs or try and make a guess based on buckshot patterning?

>>64020736
hugs and kisses. I shant forget the aluminum foil

>>64020720
Yeah, like Remington .222 and .223 both actually have bullet diameters of .224, and the only reason .223 has a different name than .222 is because the case dimensions are different so they needed an easy name difference. Cartridge names are silly.

>>64020215
>>64020426
I agree with this Anon. Under stress you can induce a jam by short stroking a pump. A semi auto wont have that problem.

>>64020851
There's also confusion from old naming conventions. Old-west era .44's really did measure .44, but they also used heeled bullets. When those cartridges were modernized and no longer used heeled bullets they kept the name, and the diameter of the brass remained .44 but the bullet ended up slightly smaller. For example, .44 magnum uses .429 bullets. And you've also got companies using bigger numbers to make things sound more impressive, like .460 S&W, which is just a super-magnum .45, and .480 Ruger, which is actually a shorter, weaker, .475 Linebaugh.

In the case of .308 vs. 7.62, the American tradition was to use the bullet diameter (.308), while Euros use the land diameter of the barrel (.300 inches = 7.62mm).

>>64015546
It would break immediately.

A plastic airsoft stock is fine for it's intended purpose, which is very much NOT to be out on an actual rifle that fires 8mm Mauser and has actual recoil. A genuine wooden rifle stock has things like reinforcing bolts in it so that it can withstand recoil without cracking. An airsoft stock doesn't need that. A particularly faithful wooden replica might still have such features, but a plastic one definitely won't.
The action will probably not even line up with the stock in the first place.
>>64020447
Actual military issues stocks were either oiled or laminated specifically for this to be a non issue. These things survived WW2, sometimes even WW1 and are still usable today. I would not expect a plastic airsoft gun stock to survive more than a few minutes in an actual trench.

As far as weight, you really want that extra 3lb. 8mm Mauser kicks, the extra weight helps with that.
>>64020527
ATI makes a plastic drop in stock, because it is specifically designed for the job it does work. It brings up the obvious question of why you would want to put a perfectly good 8mm military rifle into a cheap stock when a modern hunting rifle is already way cheaper, and the military rifle is much more valuable in its original condition.

If you really want to do this anyway, at least buy a cheap Mauser 98 where bubba already mutilated the original stock so nothing of valuable will be lost.
>>64020189
People like the idea of changing caliber on the fly or going from something like a Glock 34 for the range to a 26 for carry all on the same serialized frame. In reality by the time you do all that you could just have 2 or 3 entirely different guns. It can kind of make some sense if there's a limit on how many guns you can own, but only if the module is defined as the gun in that context.

It seems to just be a fad that isn't taking off, but it does allow for better cross-compatibility of parts across similar models which is nice.

>>64020617
A small flashlight would make some sense if you intend the gun to be used in a defense role. Frame mounted lasers are almost never really in parallel with the bore so they only give you the vague idea of where the shot might go at very close range.

Realistically it's probably a plinker and you have a 9mm or something for actual protection so putting a flashlight on your 22 is just a waste of money.
>>64020215
The point of diminishing returns for reliable pump action shotguns is pretty low. A Maverick 88 combo will do basically everything you need a shotgun to do for under $300. ~$400-500 gets you a Benelli Nova or a regular 500. You can spend almost 1000 on a Mossberg 590A1 but that's basically salad dressing.

Minimum cost on a really solid semi auto starts just over 1k. There are some OK Turk guns for like half that, but there's always a coin toss with quality control (there isn't any). Realistically you are looking at a Beretta A300, 1301, Benelli M2 or M4. That's a range of ~$1200-2000+ and they will not cycle with all ammunition (although they will work with most).

If I could only have one shotgun it would be my $300 Mossberg 500. I can't make it not work and a much dumber 18-19 year old me tried his absolute hardest.
>>64020741
I got a cheap Chinese one for free and used it twice. It worked ok, but not really worth paying for.
>>64020798
Not really. Just shoot it. The sights are only going to be usable up to a point anyway because you are either firing a pattern or a projectile that isn't really spin stabilized.

Don't try to treat a shotgun like a rifle. It's a tube that launches shit. Get an idea of roughly how and where it launches shit and go from there.

>>64021003
Its a practice pistol. My tokarev is my home defense gun.

>>64021101
Do you also have a table made out of human skin?

Just asking. No particular reason...

Do you really need a formal official gunsmith education (gunsmith institute) to make your own company or firearms?

Come to think of it... There's hasn't been one zoomer gun company owner. I know it's still too early for them but still..

>>64022022
Where? I'm sure in Europe there are places where that's legally required. In the US? Not legally required and also kinda useless. A traditional gunsmithing education would be good if you wanted to hand-make traditional style guns, otherwise it's kinda useless. If you want to design and/or sell modern weapons then you need to learn business skills and mechanical engineering.

>>64022036
Zoomers might be young, but they have unprecedented access to information. If they're leveraging the internet to learn about guns & engineering they could have a massive head start. The problem is most people, older generations included, are squandering the opportunity on games and social media instead.

>>63994763 (OP)
Gunfighting theory

What is a good flashlight in the sub $50 range that is pretty good but doesn't obviously have to be the best thing ever and can stand up to being mounted on a gun? Has to be round, relatively short (like 3 inches or less), and preferably changeable battery.

>>64022121
Oh, and it also needs to have a remote switch

>>64022121
That harbor freight tlrknockoff is your only option for roughly 50. Buying a real remote switch will put it over.

>>64022563
Hmm, might try it or just gamble on chinkshit since it's only 9mm. I just want something common or in a common housing like those old cree c9s because I'm wanting to make a printable surefire clone, but I feel like it kinda defeats the purpose of avoiding spending $600 on a forend if you still have to spend 300+ on the light.

Who's making the next FRT thread? I'll be forced to make one and will just copy/paste the previous OP

>>64022051
mechanical engineering.
What for? The marketing you can easily outsource. All companies have their own marketing people, groups.
I mean, what if you're just an idea guy? And already have in mind something you'd like to see made and sold

>>63994763 (OP)
Thoughts on scout rifles and rifles that are superficially scout-like in appearance?

>>64023303
worthless, outdated garbage. What could this thing possibly do better than semi automatic rifle in the same cartridge?
>but weight is lower
then get stronger
>is accurate
you do not need minute of arshin accuracy
>is compact in hand
find ass stock that is collapse or fold

>>64023303
apart from the typical arguments like suppressing better, weight, reliability, accuracy it doesn't look like le spooky military murder gun meaning you're less likely to be harassed, get cops called, have cops ree out for seeing it in your car etc
one thing I never see mentioned is that polymer or wood full-framed bolties are less cold as fuck if you happen to live in a winter wonderland

>>64021003
I’m not trusting turk stuff even if mostly be range toying it.
Ngl I love the nova cuz fond memories with CS, wish I could put furniture on a semi.

Thx for the info,

>>64023075
>What for?
So you know how thick to make things functional without blowing up, wearing out, or weighing a ton.
>marketing
I didn't mention marketing at all. I agree, you can outsource that.

>I mean, what if you're just an idea guy?
Engineering is how you get from ideas to reality, and separate silly ideas from ones that actually work.

>>64023303
>Thoughts on scout rifles
They're a hyper-specific niche that a lot of people seem curious about but nobody actually has. Are you concerned about fighting a war while simultaneously being able to take large game in Africa?

>and rifles that are superficially scout-like in appearance?
If you think the rifles look super cool and you want range toy then go get one. You don't need approval from anyone else. That said, a modern gun that fits that specific niche looks nothing like the originals. In Jeff Cooper's day there were no lightweight full-power semiauto rifles so he had to compromise with the bolt action and forward mounted scope. The AR-10 and similar make the design totally obsolete. Not that this matters if you want a cool range toy.

>>64023303
Kind of a toy but if you put a wood stock on them they can kinda look like milsurp but they have detachable mags and exist in calibers you can actually buy. Which makes them easier to live with.

>>64021853
I have gloves. The iron sight on one of my toks keeps falling out and 609 loctite isn't high enough strength. Anon told me it would work but I need more.

>>64024452
>609 loctite isn't high enough strength
I find that hard to believe. Did you degrease everything first before you applied it?

>>63994763 (OP)
So, if I have a spot welder, vice, drill press and assorted hand-tools, are there any (relatively) easy parts kits with cut receivers I can restore to working order? Keep in mind, I don't actually have any welding talent beyond spot welding. Don't care about the price of the kit, and I do have a limited budget to invest in new tools/jigs/etc... if needed. Any ideas? Seems like it would be a fun hobby to get into. I've already done AR 80%s and P80s, but I want something more challenging are unusual.

>>64024504
>>64024504
The spot welding only is going to be your big limitation. Most receivers require a welding process where you can add filler metal, TIG and MIG are good but spot is not very useful.

I only use a milspec trigger, is it worth upgrading? Looking at the various Geissele triggers and they all look more or less the same.

>>64024570
no

>>64024570
>is it worth upgrading?
What are you doing with the gun? Do you feel the trigger is currently holding you back?

>look the same
They work very differently. Normally if you are shooting precisely you want a 2-stage trigger with a very crisp release. On the other hand if you want to shoot fast then a single stage trigger is preferable because it has a faster more positive reset. Different tools for different jobs.

>>64023303
They are neat, but don't really do much that a basic AR-15 or AR-10 can't. There are niche cases where being bolt action is an advantage, such as hunting or arctic conditions.

I think they are mostly popular with people who want a bolt action with backup iron sights, which almost nobody offers nowadays. A lot of "scout" rifles are marked way up, like ~$1000+ for the Ruger which is really not worth it.
>>64023763
Nova is a genuinely good choice. People sleep on them, but you get Benelli quality for Mossberg prices.
>>64024452
Make a shim and slip that under the sight. Either the bottom of the site is too small or the groove it is supposed to dovetail into is blown out.
>>64024570
It's a nice to have that can help make it a little easier to shoot, but you should only upgrade it once you can already shoot well with the stock milspec trigger. The danger of fancy drop ins is relying on them as a crutch, IE you get so used to it that you can't shoot a rifle without one worth a damn.

Does anyone make replacement stickers for the PEQ-2A?
I got one off eBay and it's in great shape aside from the stickers.

As someone who's never fired a shotgun at a person, I'm curious, do wads penetrate skin as well as they do paper and cardboard?

>>64025037
No, human skin is pretty tough but wads can leave some nasty bruises.

>>64024852
I don't know anything about the PEQ-2A specifically, but those look like pretty generic laser safety stickers to me. I doubt they had something custom made, they probably just bought off-the-shelf warning labels. I bet if you search for "laser radiation danger decal" or something similar you might find something.

>>64025786
>I doubt they had something custom made
Dunning Kruger is a hell of a drug

>>64020269
Hmm. In that case I might go with a scabbard. Saw a pic of one some dude got from Amazon.
Anyone have experience with those?

So are there any rumblings about Congressional hearings or something for Sig pistols? I mean when the M9 was adopted like 3 of them blew up when SEALs ran a bunch of P+++ through them and that almost got them pulled, but the Sigs have been a known issue for ages and now one has actually just killed somebody. Surely at some point whatever grift leverage Sig has is going to fail right? I mean, who even trusts their rifles and MGs with all this shit?

>>63999736
I just bought a MAC 1014. Ran a little over 100 rounds of high velocity bird shot and buck. Been flawless so far and pleasantly surprised for 400 bucks shipped

>Americans, I can't even.

Jesus Christ on a cracker.

More guns than people, IMO.

I love it.

>>64027285
Note that's just an estimate lol. Guns didn't need a serial number until 1968 and I think that's when the modern FFL system went into effect too (actual recordkeeping requirements). At a certain point you could just buy surplus rifles mail ordered to your door or pick them up after shipping freight via train. I think there's (estimated) around 2.xx guns per person, maybe more? I'm not sure how they try to count guns with no s/n either; countless old pre-1968 22s out there are transferred with "s/n: no s/n" every year on 4473s lol.

>>64027814
>tfw born too late to have select fire guns mailed straight to my door from Sears

>>64028038
It would have been a long time ago, given that they were regulated starting 1934.

IIRC, wood has good luck in court.
Does this wisdom apply to AR-15s?

>>64029206
People always say this shit like it's just a given, but nobody ever gives a citation. Show me a case where it is clear that the furniture or cosmetic features of a gun were what tipped a jury to convict. I believe if such a case existed, gunlawlore enthusiasts would have it memorized.

>>64029206
It can come into question but generally doesn't turn a good shoot into a bad shoot. The only advantage of using something like a Mini-14 is that you MIGHT not have to spend the time and therefore attorney fees paying your lawyer to explain that AR-15s for home defense are a totally normal thing now.

The big thing I really strongly recommend not doing on an HD or CC guns is having edgy shit like Punisher skulls, waifu grips and 1488 slogans all over it. None of those things are going to make the gun any more effective, but they are going to make you look like a psycho.

By all means do all that shit with a range toy or safe queen if it tickles your pickle, just not something you would reach for to deal with a problem.