Thread 63996910

Dog Surp Edition

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Previous thread: >>63934208

Dog edition, you say?

It's nice to shoot your milsurp every once in a while, I should get my shit together and start reloading again. I miss shooting my arisaka.

>>63996910 (OP)
Rip pup.

>>63996910 (OP)
>no dog
i'll just repost the turtles then

I’m up to my ears in SKS stripper clips.

Any dog weighing less than 50# is legally a cat.

>>63997453
I really miss yugo m67

>>63997453
if theyre chinese i dont want them
czech or bust

>see a nice Gewehr 41 locally
>not yet for sale but will be coming on the market soon
>start saving up for it
>look online today
>there's an even nicer one listed for auction
>don't have enough for it though
Why must I be responsible with money? I wish I could blow through thousands like the boomers I see locally at auction.

>>63997824
settle

>>63997447
How long you had turtle?

>>63997824
M or W?

>>63996910 (OP)
>>63997104
Those are fine looking Frens, bros.

Don't have a pet to post, have this instead.

>>63997903
>settle
Don't mind settling but the local one is not gonna be available for a while.
>>63998174
>M or W?
It's a W. Gewehr 41Ms are exceedingly rare. Though I'd love to add a 41M to my collection if I ever had the chance.

>>63999543
Based recoil operated Martini-Henry owner.

I’ve purchased a 1924 yugo mauser and I cannot find a straight answer on this. Does this shoot rimmed or rimless 8mm? I put a rimless 8mm in it and it will not eject the cartridge. I need to know if I need JRS ammo or a new extractor and already were to get one.

>>63996910 (OP)
I got her ashes back yesterday,though I realized something comforting earlier this week. Even though she passed, Hazel has never left. and I feel her presence all the time now.
>>63997485
Yes though cats are cool too. My other shepherd loves this cat, though Hazel was always indifferent towards him. It was rare to get pictures of her still, much less with the cat.

>>64000678
Forgot to attach my image.

Got an Astra 900 for a decent price, I think. Much cheaper than What I see German ones going for

>>63999562
>exceedingly rare
Yes. I just saw one on fuddbroker or some such site last week funny enough. Wondered if it had caught your eye

>>64000764
>”astra”
Oh those ridiculous espanish.

>>63998172
theyre about 11 years old.

>>64002357
I’m sorry I didn’t acknowledge your little friends last thread. How long do they live? I never thought that about little fresh water testudines

>>64002413
Red Eared sliders can go for ~20 years so ill get another 10 or so years out of these 2.

>>64002502
You got them as babies?

>>64002617
Yes, they were hatchlings when I got them. I would say around 1 or 2 months old maybe. A co-workers dad was like, "I got them at some flea market" and my co worker didnt want them so I offered to take them.

>>64002697
Nice

>>64000629
M24s should shoot rimless. My m24 is a rework 24/47. Great rifle. A bit odd looking as it’s an intermediate length Mauser. Not a long boy, not a carbine.

I have a bunch of .30-06 I am selling. What should I price everything at?

I have:
- 3x 240rd cans of CMP sold delinked .30-06 (LC69)
- 192rds of KA73 (korean, corrosive) on enbloc slips.
- 200-300rds of once fired brass (mix of HXP and PPU)

>>64004956
About tree fiddy at best.

>>64002502
I have a Russian Tortoise about 26 years old, a lot of these guys live for a good chunk of your life.

AHHHHH I THOUGHT YOU TOLD ME THE MARKET WAS COLLAPSING /msg/

>>64005423
Only the antique dated ones go that high and only on dealers that will sell to Canada.

>>64005423
QUIT TRYING TO BUY ANTIQUES YOU SYRUP SLURPING FELON

>>64005656
antiques are the only handguns canadians can buy so expect the market to continue skyrocketing

>turns out CMP only has 15 legacy rifles in total available each week.
>had to shut the entire CMP forum down due to a "glitch"
I fucking hate these people, their guns aren't even that cheap

>>64006237
I'm pretty sure 80% of CMP sales goes to boomers who are flipping them

>>64006267
>we changed our policy from buying 1 rifle per lifetime to just make sure you don't buy more than 20 in a single year

Had this Garand for 10 years now, got it off a dude for 200 bucks. Originally met up with him to buy a dual sport off him, evidently his wife was making him self stuff. I asked you selling anything else cool and his wife started saying "ohhh yeah make an offer on anything in the garage". Saw a gun sock in the garage and took a look, saw this the Garand and offered 200 bucks. Still can't believe they accepted that.

>>64006267
always has been

>>64006325
I’d sell a garand for $200 if I liked the kid and believed in him.
I’m not dying with a boomerhorde

>>64006267
How many young people are even apart of a shooting club?

>>64006413
I was like 30 when this happened, my kids are getting my boomer hoard.

>>64006416
me, I have been to appleseed events and I don't even qualify for a CMP garand unless I buy their gay monthly subscription membership

>>64006437
Ever see any kids at those Appleseed events? Trying to find a youth rifle club for my oldest boy whos 11 and I cant find anything.

>>64006449
yes, there are always several parent/child groups there.

>>64006416
Boomers gatekeep the living shit out those clubs majority of the time, I'm convinced they don't even their rifles, they just sit around and talk about their rifles. For fuck sake I literally gave a boomer a mini heart attack on time when I told him I was going to use an East German half shelter as a tent that I bought off him. Dude what the fuck do you think I was going to use it for?
That said there are boomers more than happy when the new blood joins their club.
Kinda looking for one that does Frontier shit like Black Powder/Cowboy Era meet ups. I just want larp in my blanket coat with my Trap door Springfield.

>>64006449
>>64006437
>>64006416
>>64006459
You guys shoulda been around when the Civil Operators Gun Club was active. PEAK /k/

>>64006459
Thanks, will look into it to do with my boy. Lord knows I could be a better rifleman.

>>64006467
I was, i've been posting on here for a long long time. Do you remember that GIRL! trippfag who posted pictures of a chick with pmags in her panties and stuff saying that was them? Then they blew their cover and it turns out it was pics of the dudes sister.

I bought liberty tree's last M96 front sight hood... I don't even have my M38 yet lol.

>>64006517
Preparing for Gods blessing is truly praying.

>>64006644
>double dubs
Amen

>>64006416
idk but I got my CMP shit from being a zogbot, sent them a picture from dd214 to get my garand and carbine. I'm pretty sure thats how most young people got theres

>>64000629
As the other Anon said: all Yugo M1924s were originally in 8x57IS. What country are you in? In some Euro countries there were time periods when their laws forbid civilian ownership of firearms chambered in "military" cartridges so many milsurps would be re-chambered into something similar but just different enough to escape these regulations e.g. reaming 8x57mm Mauser rifles out to 8x60mm.

>>64006267
Somewhere I have a couple CMP M1 certificates that a Boomer forgot to remove from a long gun box before he re-used it to ship me a rifle. They were dated only about a month before I received them.

>>64006325
What a deal. Nice dog and Garand.

>>64006856
C&R FFL fulfills the marksmanship requirement as well.

>>64006674
Uhh look again frend

>>64006517
No shit? Really? Hell they had BFAs and 5 different grades of slings. I figure they have an endless supply cache of Swede militaria and such small cheap accessories like hoods and caps and such

greets, k
had a split case on one of my berthiers.
fired 4 rounds no problem, 5th cracked, smoked a bit.
its an older ppu factory round.
the rifle has a balle N chamber, so its a generous sized chamber.
like on all my berthiers the brass comes out a bit bulged, but this is the first split case.
rifle is all numbers matching and proof shot (german proof, 15 yrs. ago).

is it true that split cases happen in berthiers due to oversized chambers, esp. with ppu ammo (they load to tight icp dimensions, sometimes hard or little annealed brass)?
armorer says he doesnt really know, dont fire too much out of it.
headspace seems ok.
chamber no visible rust pits or other damages.
thoughts, /k/, has someone experienced this too?

>>64007148
the rifle the split case was fired from

>>64007148
nerver had an issue shooting PPU through both of mine, even this piece of shit.

>>64007148
If it's a repeat issue then there's cause for concern, but unless it keeps occurring I wouldn't worry about it. You might do a chamber cast, measure the resulting dimensions and compare them to the ideal chamber specification.

>>64007148
If it keeps happening what will you do? Pull bullets, fireform blanks, anneal and reload? Seems like a lot of work

>>64001794
>Yes. I just saw one on fuddbroker or some such site last week funny enough. Wondered if it had caught your eye
There's a single receiver on GB rn, though it's $1k for just the receiver. The few complete rifles I have seen pop up over the years usually run at least $10k or more. Ironically, I've seen more 41Ms in person (2) than 41Ws(1) but one was heavily sporterized and the other had a broken stock and was missing parts. It's rather hard to find original, untouched German semi autos, most either have issues with their stocks (sanded, bleached, cleaned, etc.) or are sporterized.

>>64009179
Nah it was a complete intact looking weapon. It was indeed 5 figures.

IT'S OVER

>>64009266
I’m starting to wonder if I should’ve bought a bunch of K31’s cause I’ve found them for like $400-$500, I’m sure 10 years from now I’ll regret it but I love the one I own so I don’t really need more

>>64007148
It's fine. They have generous chambers, as you know. If you reload, just neck size the fired cases. Just keep track of your brass and use it only in the gun it's sized for.

i recentky picked up a chilean 1912 that was converted to real fucking nato. it shoots like shit tho, like 6-8 inch groups at 50yds with fmj 147 gr. Bore and crown looked fine and it will clover leaf every few shots but overall groups like ass. anything i can do to improve thr accuracy or is it fucked? i already cleaned throroughly and took some bore cleaner compound through it. didnt help.

>>64009378
>missed Simpson matching K31+Sawback earlier this year
Still fuck. But yeah. I tell myself to stop doing girlmath about spending money to “save” money

Reminder to report any boomer at a gun show table with a stack of Garands to the ATF for unlicensed gun dealing. Fuck flippers.

>>64009612
>working with the Feds
>especially the FAT
>for any reason
Boomers will be dead sooner than them. Recenter.

>>64009266
Fuck, I guess I can't slack on getting a bayonet and G11 anymore.
>>64009179
>one was heavily sporterized
Other than maybe broken furniture, what drives people to do this? I get that bolt actions used to flow like water but sporterizing a G41 of either variety doesn't sound practical, cheap, or effective in any way.

>>64009755
>what drives people to do this?
Hubris

>>64000764
Very nice anon. I just got a Mauser C96 today at auction for $1000. I'm very content.

What was this cunt doing? Trying to meet a minimum?

What was this cunt doing? Trying to meet a minimum?

>>64009211
>Nah it was a complete intact looking weapon. It was indeed 5 figures.
That's about right. I remember seeing an intact but mismatched 41M back in 2023 that sold for around $13k. Only 15,000 or so 41Ms were made throughout 1941-1942 and quite a few went east where they got lost in combat against the Russians.
>>64009755
>Other than maybe broken furniture, what drives people to do this? I get that bolt actions used to flow like water but sporterizing a G41 of either variety doesn't sound practical, cheap, or effective in any way.
I think it's a combination of impulsiveness and ignorance. There was hardly any literature or information out regarding the 41s and their operating mechanism which spans the whole length of the barrel. So as soon as Bubba makes that first cut, he's committed to making it a decent sporter, even if the recuperator and working parts are exposed now. I know G41s are not the lightest rifles but there's not much you can even remove on them.

>>64009612
Hey sonny, you can buy your monthly limit if ya want. otherwise you buy from me. aint gonna get a better deal than this

>>64009266
>IT'S OVER
Good, then you can kill yourself.

>>64009378
To do what; flip? That's Boomer behavior.

>>64009583
How many different varieties of ammunition have you tried with it? Is the barrel/action bedded properly in the stock?

>>64007019
Yup, they're running low on slings as well. Watched the price on them go up $5 from one day to the next.

>>64010803
Damn well that really makes me appreciate the right they did me by last week. Gotta givem credit where it’s due any time I get from now on

>>64009612
>go to gun show
>only tables of glock clone solicitors, alibaba backpacks and shitty hunting shotguns
damn they got away

>>64009612
Like anon showed, they fuddbroker it at “$2000–buy it now”

Finally got a k31 last month. Glad I finally did. I was a little disappointed as the picture showed one with a walnut stock but I sadly got sent a post war one with a beechwood stock.
It was all matching and only $500 so I can't be too upset. So far its a great rifle.

>>64011020
also, any tips on fixing little dings like this? its shellac on beechwood. The stock butt is luckily pretty good compared to some of the completely destroyed examples you typically see on these Swiss rifles but the finish is definitely kinda thin and rough in that area. Would like to fix that if possible

>>64011031
Rub a little raw linseed oil into it and let it dry. Repeat as necessary.

>>64011118
Not him but thanks

>>64007181
>>64007197
>>64009132
>>64009476

taking apart & using ppu factory ammo as reloading components and anneal the brass well would be the final solution.
for testing i bought some newly produced ppu lebel ammo, the cases have now that ring around the primer the older ppu doesnt have, lets see if this brass holds better. im gonna fire some of the old ppu out of my other berthiers to see if the cases split up.

if the new ppu brass does not work well, im gonna shoot the factory ammo out of my berthiers with chambers that dont split the cases, and reload it.
keeping track of brass sized to the guns chamber is a good idea.

thx for the input lads!
(gonna make a baghuette family pic when i find my phone )

>>64009583
try different bullet weights. my 7mm mauser shoots 2-3" groups with bullets in the 140gr area. every other 7mm load like 170gr will result in dinner plate sized groups or worse

>>64011031
>>64011118
>>64011219
or take half a walnut core and rub it over the chip. works for furniture too

>>64011118
a good taste in rifles and bayonets you have

>>64011225
the flock

>>64011611
>No lebel
Anon, get to it. that said, an RSC 1917 is on my dream list.

>>64011611
for some reason the berthier and mas 36 never interested me

>lost the bid by $2.50
Nuts!

>>64009583
Try some flat based bullets.

>>64014538
did you lose your MAX bid by $2.50?

Anyone got anything Peruvian?

>>64014685
No. I just failed to snipe someone else’s max.

>check purchase history
It’s one thing to be impulsive. But to be forgetful in addition to that is painful twice.

>>64014685
Accidentally losing is better than accidentally winning..

>>64014688
Yes.

>semi-lgs has bfa threaded, intact m38, no good picture of shank
>$750
Were gevarlets ever sold for the winter war?

God Bro's I want an MG-42 so badly
I've been trying to find a semi auto one but man they are either 10K or made by a super shitter builder and even then they dont show up often
Praying that I can find one with BRP internals so I can put a FRT into the thing

>>64014820
I’m sad my sudaca crest collecting venture has taking such a hit by the sellers market. Very jealous

>>64006466
You have no penis.

>>64014849
Can’t afford it. Boomers fucked the penis market.

>someone else bought Liberty trees Siamese Mauser
Thank you. It lasted longer than I thought

>>64014854
Does an intact foreskin really add that much more to the price?

>>64014838
very few, doubt any of them left the country.

Someone on Eb** is calling a rusted out sawback’ed 1871 bayonet an O.V.S. 1896 and wants $X,499.99 for it.

>>64014978
Left Sweden at all?

>>64015071
Left the Finns, they liked em and probably kept them.

>>64015079
Hmm. I’ll call the store tomorrow for actual dang pictures of the shank which apparently not obvious to the large majority of dealers selling milsurp. I’d probably consider paying $750 for a SA gevarlet

>>64014943
They’re rare in my country. So full earthworm is pretty valuable

How much is a Type 14 Nambu worth with a decent bore, okayish finish and a cracked/split leaf spring thing on the grip?

>>64014841
mg34 is just as good

>>64015189
I hear MG-42's are easier to manage in terms of taking them apart. If they can both run FRT's after being converted to Semi Auto then I'll get which ever one I can get for cheaper first

>>64015180
probably $600-$700. The cracked spring is a huge turn off for some as thats an annoying hassle to fix for such a stupid part. I would maybe pay $500

>>64015200
Ok cool, thanks. It definitely needs to be replaced because it's a hand shredder now. I'll see if he bites for $500.

>>64013913
the lebels here in middle yurop i've seen so far were all very worn/beaten and very pricy, like 800-1000. havent seen one i would have wanted. exept that ultra short lebel carbine, still hating myself for not getting one when these were offered for cheap (400ish).

picrel is my imperial german family
are those pickelhaube replicas any good?
wifey keeps hacking after me with her longest filet knife when i grope her butt when walking thru the kitchen, i need smth to deflect those semi-saber strikes from my head.

>>64014688
top rifle is a 1935 arsenal rework peruvian with a sig bore/Lange sights

>>64015994
>the lebels here in middle yurop i've seen so far were all very worn/beaten and very pricy, like 800-1000.
Lebels are generally found in such state. They had such long service lives and in the end of their lives they were mainly kept around to shoot VB grenades with.

Love my tok but it needs the rear sight fixed on my type 54.
Anons a couple threads ago suggested using 604 locktite retention red on the sight, it just came in and I am going to try it tonight. Also does anyone know if it is safe for the barrel pin, link, and barrel from 3 different models(polish pin, romanian barrel, Hungarian link) that I mangled together is safe to throw in this?

>>64014838
AFAIK Sweden didn't sell any m/38s to the Finns, it was all m/96 infantry rifles. Sweden even bought back a bunch of the rifles in 1940 when Germany invaded Denmark & Norway.

>>64014688
Yee I got one for a good price last year

>>64016510
Nice. It sure is a striking rifle with the single-stack mag and the Lange sight.

>>64016564
>It sure is a striking rifle
It is, I need more uncommon South American surp. That's my current obsession.

>>64006466
Wool capotes are dope.

Paper patch bros. What do you like to use? official stuff? newspaper? cut up wads of old cleaning patches?
Tell me your ways

How about SWAT team surp?

>>64019241
Police surplus is fine too.

Just won a shitty Zeiss zielvier for $90

Time to learn how to restore optics i guess then its going on my Chilean sporter because i dont own a k98

>cz70 on sale at classic for $249.99
>the one i ordered from atlantic for $269.99 just shipped
Balls

>>64019346
ask em if theyll price match

>>64019422
olgood idea

>>64013192
>RSC 1917 is on my dream list.
there will be one up on RIA auction in August. looking like 6-10k possible swing.

>>64016035
same for berthiers. frogs used em till the 60s, esp. the carbines for rear echelons. hard to find a not too beaten one

>>64019605
One sold last week for $11K before fees & theft.

is 409 ok to use most gun furniture? getting real tired of gun cooties

>>64020093
Stop letting girls touch your gun and it won't get cooties.

>>64014688
Shit is a 1909 really that expensive?

>>64019241
Anything with a government stamp is good. Preferably a literal one.

>>64021947
>$1800
Forgot my greentext

>>64019797
Nah, I got over 10 Berthiers. They're fairly easy to find in not beat to shit condition.

The only Berthiers kept in the 60s would have been for the gendarmerie, and were mainly just used as clubs for riot control by that time.

Need help. I am trying to get the rear ironsight to stay on this type 54, I was suggested loctite 609 in a thread before but it either hasn't cured enough or I need something stronger. Has anyone delt with similar before?

>>64022217
get a new rear sight that fits better

>>64022074
What're reasonable prices for Berthiers, oh man of many frog rifles?

>>64022467
Like $400-$500. More for more WWI correct versions or other weird ones.

Here is my trashed Greek conversion Berthier that I got for $300 last year.

>>64019912
>>64019605
>$11K before fees & theft.
Hmm thats not bad. My upper limit on just about anything is around 12k so assuming I find one at or below that its doable. Id rather not bid on one and rather just let the cash pile grow while I wait to see one in person. Considering I travel to the Vegas show and Tulsa often im bound to eventually grab one.
Finding the right clips though, I would hope the seller would have them. Havent acually checked to see if theres a way to tweak regular Berthier 5rd clips into ones that would work in a 1917

>>64022624
I know people have 3d printed clips that can work, not sure how available the files are for them though.

>>64022884
hmmm. Yea ive seen that you can modify the feeding channel in a 1917 but i would rather fuck with disposable, ubiquitous (enough) Berthier clips than mess with a gun so rare.

Im the Lee Navy anon so fucking around with clips is kind of a thing im used to anyway

Lithgows bayos fit all Enfields?

>>64022322
Fine, I'll order another sight off ebay... The only parts I am missing to build a third Tok at this point are the slide, mag catch and lower receiver though.

>>64019275
>>64019241

spaghetti navy burrita 92s
so tasty

tanto for scale

>>64024932
Very nice, I have an early model all steel Navy 1951

>>64016486
I don't remember my source but I remember reading somewhere a couple thousand carbines were sold to naval and coastal defense units.

>>64025138
>I don't remember my source but I remember reading somewhere a couple thousand carbines were sold to naval and coastal defense units.
Finland had Swedish m/96 rifles and m/94 carbines already in inventory before the Winter War broke out, mostly as a result of arms smuggled in during the Finnish Civil War. Some m/94 carbines (and more m/96 rifles) came to Finland with the Swedish volunteer regiment in 1940 and were left behind.
http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/RIFLES6.htm

>>64024932
ye

Finally unbubba'd my arisaka after a very long time of tracking down non-scalped parts

Unfortunately the bolt handle was bent, would un-bending be as simple as torch heating it in a clamp and bending it back, or should I come up with some sort of heat sink to help keep the body of the bolt safe?

>>64026548
Why the fuck would you "unbubba" one of the cheapest and plentiful surp out there? All you're doing is paying someone to part out a much nicer rifle than the one you're "restoring."

You should send the bolt out to one of the guys that already has the jig for it.

>>64026592
>plentiful
I wish Arisakas were even half as plentiful around here as they seem to be in other places. I've seen a grand total of two non-last ditch Type 99's in my state, one of which wasn't for sale. All the last ditch models were in varying states of beat to shit and overpriced on top of that.

>>64026668
Look online, nigger. They're fucking everywhere. I've gotten like 50 of these, and most for $400 or less.

>>64025236
Based Jaegerplatoon
that site set off my friends Finn autism like nothing ive ever seen

>>64026746
Pls consider some of us live in unfree states with taxes on online purchases and few near lgs. Let alone the Canada tier states and cities

>>64027282
Same here. Ironically enough, Type 99s in the $350-500 range and in ok condition are one of few plentiful milsurps in my state.

>>64026746
arisakas are rare in canada, not sure why someone doesnt export them because they sell for 3-4x more in price easily

>>64028891
Shhhshhhhhhhhh!!!!! Don’t let boomers Modèle-1892 our Jap Mauser market

>>64009179
>It's rather hard to find original, untouched German semi autos, most either have issues with their stocks (sanded, bleached, cleaned, etc.) or are sporterized.
My K.43's stock was sanded (lightly thank fuck, can still see the stamps) and the fucking retard boomer who owned it before me inset a German hat badge into the stock. Literally milled a slot out for it. I suppose I should be grateful he didn't sporterize it, just fucked with it a bit.

Ahh well at least it’s back on the continent

>>64027379
What state?

>>64029968
Soon.

when are the p320 surp going to hit?

>>64031625
>when are the p320 surp going to hit?
When you least expect it.

>>64031861
Hehehehe

bump

>>64029968
seriously, fuck USPS
waited 10 days for a book to get on a plane, after that it took 2 days to get delivered to me in europe

>>64029968
I had a muzzle device stuck on "Accepted" for 7 business days before it showed up at my door after work one day.

I'm thinking of getting a new hat. How are the reproduction mle.1949 bush hats?

FN
such a sweety in my hand

>>64006856
CMP Garand buyer here. Literally I just gave them my GSSF shooting card which gives me a decent sized discount on a Glock blue label should I choose to buy one.

Is a matching Gewehr 43 (DUV) with the Scout scope on it a good deal for $6000?

Why does France have Brazilian rifles?

>>64034656
FULL BRAZILIAN

>>64034610
>Is a matching Gewehr 43 (DUV) with the Scout scope on it a good deal for $6000?
Possibly but probably not. Has the stock been sanded and why is there a scout mount on a rifle that already has a dedicated optic rail? You're gonna need to post pics.

>>64034610
check to see if the rear of the receiver is bowing out at the safety area

>>64035168
Sorry for the crappy picture I’ll post better ones when I’m home, also I didn’t really mean scout scope I just didn’t know exactly what it was called
Rifle didn’t look sanded to me and just looked like the ones I’ve seen on Rock Island
>>64035200
Guy didn’t want to take it apart since I didn’t have the money on hand to buy it but he said he didn’t notice anything wrong when he shot it.
I would like to say it doesn’t have the shooters kit but he said he had hand loaded it light enough to just cycle the action on it
I got his # so I’ll check the receiver when I get the chance to see him again

>>64035347
that scope mount looks pretty sus, id pass
frankly g43 in general shouldnt be shot because they beat themselves to shit even with the adjustable gas system. they just dont have enough meat on the receiver

>>64035030
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQnx7bCI9xI

>>64035347
>Sorry for the crappy picture I’ll post better ones when I’m home, also I didn’t really mean scout scope I just didn’t know exactly what it was called
>Rifle didn’t look sanded to me and just looked like the ones I’ve seen on Rock Island
Scharfeschutze G/K43s were all equipped with ZF4 scopes and accompanying mounts though more scopes than mounts were made during the war, leading to repro mounts being made since the post war era. Original mounts can easily run up to $2k alone and are usually numbered to the rifle, you'll need some pics of the mount to verify it. Scopes were also reproduced as well and you'll need to inspect the receiver like >>64035200 said because G43s are quite notoriously overgassed. And double check the stock, sometimes stocks were "cleaned" to give them a more blonde look.

I tried my best to get the video from my phone to here so sorry that its a bit compressed

>>64036048
If I remember correctly the mount did not match the serial number of the receiver but I can’t remember if the scope matched the mount or not
I’ll ask the guy for some more pics

Who else Waiting for P320 surp dump

>>64029968
I don’t understand what has happened to USPS. At least for me, they used to be reliable and fairly prompt. Now if something’s shipped via Ground Advantage, it’s AT BEST a 50/50 shot whether the package arrives within a week or whether it takes a nice little tour of the country for a couple of weeks. I don’t understand how this cheaper shipping cost somehow saves the USPS money, when packages get sent all over the country.

>>64034514
love the walnut grips on WWII HPs

>>64036048
i had a g43 with a factory deleted scope rail, interesting but sucks

>>64038021
What round nose .30 you use for the krag? cant ever seem to find not spitzer shit around here

>>64036543
>If I remember correctly the mount did not match the serial number of the receiver but I can’t remember if the scope matched the mount or not
>I’ll ask the guy for some more pics
Quite a few repros bear fake serial numbers so make sure you get some detailed pics of the mount. Scopes were numbered to their own production numbers so scope numbers matching the rifle should set off a red flag.
>>64038835
>i had a g43 with a factory deleted scope rail, interesting but sucks
Walther made G43s did mill off scope rails that did not meet acceptance standards but was otherwise a serviceable rifle. They are certainly more uncommon than G43s with the scope rail but it was unique to Walther.

>>64039182
Hornady 220 grain round nose. I think that’s the cheapest 220 grain round nose bullets out there. But I did get some from American Reloading once and I think they were like 25 cents per bullet.

>>64039998
ill check around. My Krag feeds spitzers just fine but I want to do some round noses for the feels

>>64023933
I ended up not needing it... Anon from the original qtddtot post was right, medium strength worked now I just need to bring it to a range soonish to see if I need to use heavy duty retention loctite. This is holding up to me trying to get it off with my thumbs so that's already significantly better.
God, my type 54 is so beaten but I love her.

I know Gewehr 43’s tend to beat themselves to death even with the shooters kit but what happens if you just use the setting to turn the gas off effectively turning it into a bolt action?
I feel like it would be pretty hard to damage the receiver and bolt if it has nothing to smack into since it doesn’t cycle or am I wrong?

>>64045197
well it doesnt do it justice but definitely increases longevity

Didn't want to post it here because it's not surp, but you guys have been super helpful identifying old guns before, so maybe someone can help

>>64046082

It is Turkey-surp Tuesday my dudes.

Porto, Gentlemen is the only sweet whine i drink. but when i do, i drink a lot.
and then i think about this sweet little steyr 1893 cavalry carbine for portugal, that has been converted to .22 as a cadet rifle so carefully with such nice and careful work, i love it. my armorer got wet eyes when i showed it to him.
i love this 3 feet riflet.
i reaaaaally do.
cheers.

>>64047133
I wish .22lr M1903s weren't so rare and expensive.

>>64047133
here she is with her horsefucker gals, sniffing each others butt(plate)s

red wine puke is the
worst btw.

>>64048074
Imagine if they had just surprised out all 65k pederson devices

>>64048194
Those shits are janky. They have prestige solely because they are rare

>>64048194
I cannot fathom the logic behind "just burn them". If nothing else they were worth something as scrap metal.

>>64048280
>Those shits are janky.
Well rusting in boxes for a dozen years then potentially getting thrown into a bonfire probably didn't do the surviving examples any favors. People rag on them now but we know that as new they performed decently enough in function testing, even if the idea behind their tactical implementation itself was unsound.

>>64048345
>worth something as scrap metal.
That's exactly what they ended up being sold as.
Demilitarization of goods before scrap sale was and still is common.

>>64047007
I'm here for Turkey Surp Tuesday my dude

how do I fix this dent?

Zeiss Zielvier. I'd leave it except I bought it cheap because the crosshair's fucked and the dent's stopping the lens from unscrewing.

>>64049667
I am stupid, the entire bell just screws off.

Wasn't expecting it to be so easy but ig they designed these to strip for soldering

>>64048345
>>64048194
This always gets to me in a different way. There are LOTS of surp in this country that got here by various means. But even with stuff thats fairly common, so many more were burned, destroyed or tossed off the side of a ship. Which was the style at the time. While for most stuff it hasnt truly impacted scarcity state side for a market thats already built on a dwindling and static supply. It does make me wonder what could've been.

>>64049965
>what could've been.
Even more numerous and cheaper Arisakas for one. I can't understand why the government would go through the trouble loading all that shit onto boats regardless, just to throw it into the ocean. If you're gonna stick it on a boat, just bring it back to the US to be sold off as war spoils/surplus. Fuck they could've even made back a decent chunk of change to offset a tiny bit of what they spent on the war, and would've had to pay for benefits, GI bill, etc. Such a damn waste of perfectly fine rifles. Probably could've been a lot more Jap MG's on the registry as well, or at least more spare parts for them.

>>64049965
The number of 1911s and m1 carbines fed to mr crusher makes me despondent at times

>>64049650
>all that test cut away during the update
sad!

>>64050899
I love non-latin script. I need to get a gehendra

Is this specifically milsurp or is it like all antique guns? like yes or no to old timey sporting or police arms?

>>64051081
yes

>>64051116
what?

>>64051081
Generally ex-government firearms. Military, police, paramilitary, etc. but could also include anything used by a non-governmental but organized military force such as the Fenian Brotherhood Needham rifles.

>>64051132
oh ok, I was wondering if anyone knew about old winchesters/marlins, but I guess I'll go look at the boomer forum mines

>>64051141
the thread leans heavily on ex military or police arms but there is crossover. But for Winchester/marlins that autism is a special kind of reserved for boomer forums so you might have better luck there from the get-go

>>64051158
thanks

I was wrong: apparently the Pedersens were almost worthless as scrap value and even burning them was considered a too-expensive way to demilitarize them so some were literally just left outside in the weather to rust.
>the wooden crates they're stored in are worth more the devices
https://www.americanrifleman.org/content/the-post-war-pedersen-device-infantry-testing-ultimate-fate/

Bump
I know the Pederson is pretty shitty (at least based off the surviving examples) but I’m kind of surprised nobody has ever bothered to make a reproduction of it

>>64051081
I would count reproductions of very old firearms known to be used as a part of this genre of collecting. Like a tanegashima or Kentucky rifle. Or civilian models of weapons the military used like commercial 1897s or P08s.
More loosely applied you can include Old West guns like Winchester 1873s and Colt SAAs, though you would have to only accept genuine weapons in that case.
Anything with a history/name or gimmick or innovation. I’m trying to work on as much of a non-restricted John M Browning collection as I can

>>64054419
There's no ammunition supply.

>>64051081
Yes police. No to vintage sporting guns. There are threads for it however

>>64055279
.30 mauser and tokarev comeback

>>64055279
>There's no ammunition supply.
Yeah cause the only thing that shoots the ammo costs $30,000 lmao
Make a couple hundred repro Pedersons and some modern ammo for it and they'll sell to collectors real quick

>>64054419
You need an M1903 Mark I to use the device, and while there's a decent number they're hardly the majority of 1903s people have and are priced higher. bubbaing 1903s and 03A1s is out of the question, so any repro maker probably won't produce that many and they'd be pretty expensive.
I'm not sure about the Mosin since it loads from the left, but it might also need modification.

>>64055499
I don’t see the market. The whole fuss-tier “theoretical X would sell so much” never pans out. At most the theoretical max number of units that could be sold is the max number of remaining Mk 1s. I’m guessing the actual sold number of units would be nothing close to that, hundreds at most. Leave alone caliber. Even at selling them for a couple grand wouldnt cover the little Rube Goldberg shits redevelopment.

>>64055363
Cartridges are too big.

>>64055622
>I'm not sure about the Mosin since it loads from the left, but it might also need modification.
The Pedersen Mks.II and III are each unique to the M1917 and Mosin 1891, respectively. The Mk.I design won't work in either rifle.

>>64048345
It was the 30s with gangsters running around with stolen Tommys so they were scared they'd end up in the their hands. Like most gun policy in the 30s, they were retards.

>>64048345
I am hesitant to trust my eye to the OFF switch and the entire magazine design is unavoidably inherent garbage. Props to the devices for cycling as well they have been, up to this point, documented to. But they’re convoluted garbage and only mythical because of their intentional scarcity.

What's a good price for M1 carbines these days? I have a good number of k98's but I want to get my hands on one here soon. I don't have a particular maker in mind though I do Know that can influence the price. What would be a good buy in price for a war time pic?

>>64056023
the swing these days is anywhere between 800-1.3k depending on condition, +/- the maker

Since we're talking about Mr. Pederson. I wonder if any .276 Garands were ever made or if they never left concept?

what is this? tldr

>>64056033
does the maker make a huge difference?

>>64056259
appears to be a gun.
More accurately a Schmidt Rudin 1889

>>64056263
Only for specific makers, its almost entirely based around how many units the company produced. And then Winchester ones just get hit with the boomer tax.

>>64056246
A very small handful were made and they are obscenely expensive. Would've been a better rifle with a 10 round clip of 276.

https://youtu.be/AwntZVIoPpI

Pederson rifles can be had for like $10k-$15k which is funny considering it lost.

>>64056259
Schmidt Rudin 1889
Don't shoot modern 7.55x55 or swiss GP-11 through this. You have to handload or somehow get GP-90

>>64056275
From what I've seen they run more like $15k-$20k
I cant lie if I had the money to get one I would but I doubt you can find 276 Pederson and I also imagine it would be a nightmare to try and make it (plus trying to get a clip)

>>64056265
>>64056306
Wait so it's a 499$ rifle you can't even get ammo for?

>>64056306
>I doubt you can find 276 Pederson
276 is actually pretty obtainable since they made so many rounds for testing, still fuckin expensive so you'd be better off commissioning a 276 die set and converting 6.5 Swedish cases while figuring out a way to replicate the wax coating. Real nightmare is the clip as they seem to be rarer than the rifles. Honestly kinda worth it for that boner worthy toggle action.

>>64056331
Some milsurp be like that

>>64056342
daaamn..

>>64056347
If you want a swiss gun, K31's are much more prevalent, shoot more commonly obtainable ammo and cost around the same.

>>64056331
>rifle you can't even get ammo for?
Half the fun
>>64056337
>Real nightmare is the clip as they seem to be rarer than the rifles
EVEN BETTER

>>64056351
>K31
seem to be 600$ +. I'd like something below 600 and can use modern ammo. Not a mosin shitrod though

>>64056275
Also Garand autism is so strong that Criterion make 6.5 Swedish Garand barrels for autists to try and replicate the "feel" of those 25 rifles.

>>64056357
When you say modern ammo. Do you mean newly produced ammo and not surplus ammo? or do you mean things in current use such as 308 and other common things found on the walmart shelf?

>>64056365
yeah like anything currently produced. I know PPU and S&B make a bunch of quality repro ammo.

>>64056376
Ok that keeps options more open lets say your max is 600 you'd be looking at things such as Yugo and other non German Mausers, Carcano's, most Finn mosins (if you dont want a 91/30 shitrod). And still sometimes K31s will dip below 600 if you shop around. Sometimes M1917s will dip below 600 but they can sometime be dubious quality. Other anons can add to this too im sure

>>64056357
It just takes some looking around to find one at a good price
I got this sweet girl for only $580

>>64056376
To add onto what the other Anon said, Arisakas have strong actions and great build quality and can regularly be had for <$500 if you don't care about the "features" like dust covers or Mums. Also Spanish/South American Mausers are still cheap and many have been converted to 308 as well. There's also still Chink SKSes around even though x39 is more expensive than 556.

>>64038021
>I don’t understand what has happened to USPS
Walking into my local post office and being greeted by something akin to picrel is probably part of the problem.
>>64056023
I have not seen a military issued M1 Carbine for less than $1300 where I live (VA/PA) in about seven years. My partial assessment is all of the RTI shit flooding the market raised the price of anything in better shape, especially U.S milsurps, which tend to look nicer. Your picrel also just reminded me, now is a great time to buy German WW2 uniforms. I have an M40 Infanterie Feldbluse with EK2/Ostfront ribbons and Offizier-Anwärter shoulder board stripes on the way that I only paid $1500 for because the seller was sick of it taking up space.

Does anyone know where to get a C96 stock? Theres hundreds of Chinese copies everywhere.

>>64011118
that bayonet gets me hard...

>>64015994
is that an original luger?

Not sure about this one bros

>>64056357
I got my beloved M95 for $500, a P14 for $600, and a Turk 93/33 for $360. There are deals to be had, moreso at shows where you can negotiate than on internet auctions

>>64056023
I paid about 800€ for ''Un-Quality'' marked M1 from -43, it's in overall great shape. Got three mags and a magazine pouch dated -45 to go with it.

>>64058383
accept the Chinese copies cause originals are easily faked and expensive. They are also matched to the gun so fitting can be a little tight with an unmatched gun

>>64059214
I dunno man, seems right to me.

How do I clean out corrosive ammo from my mauser?
I feel like i'm not doing it right cause a day or so after I'm done shooting It looks like rust is showing up
I've got Kroil, Tri Max CLP, and Hoppes lubricating gun oil in my cleaning kit and I've heard thats enough so maybe i'm not doing something right
My usual process is pour a ketchup bottle (like the ones you get at diner's) worth of hot water down the barrel, dry patch to get the water, some oil patches, push a bronze brush down a few times to free up what ever survived, repeat the oil patch step and then I'm usually done but idk if thats enough or not.
Also out of curiosity can you just shoot like 20 rounds of clean ammo to get the salts out of the barrel cause I've done that once on a gun with a rusty bore and it worked

>>64059741
Windex can be a good replacement for the hot water. It's water based so it gets the salts, but the ammonia makes it dry faster. I don't shoot much corrosive ammo because it gives me crazy anxiety about what if I missed a little bit here or there, but when I do, I tend to use Windex as my first cleaner

>>64060458
Hot or warm water works much better than windex and is cheaper.

>>64060396
Reminder that this guy churned out basically every design for Japan's modern rifles, pistols, and machineguns and did a pretty damn good job on almost all of them.

While on the Saga of trying to hunt down a G43 to buy I found this nice one thats all matching but it has this going on with the gas block. Anyone know if this is cracking and starting to break or is it just scraping and wear? Everything else about the gun appears fine (no cracking on the bolt housing or bending at the receiver) besides a few gouges in the wood
Also sorry for posting so many question about the same gun lately just trying to avoid spending $5,000+ on something only to not be satisfied or get something bad

>>64059741
Sounds like you do basically the same as I do after shooting corrosive. But my last step is just spraying the crap out of the bore, bolt, and receiver area with any kind of oil on hand (WD-40, PB-50, Remoil, etc.). Then let the barrel stop dripping, and lightly wipe off the excess on the bolt. Never had a corrosive ammo rust related problem doing it that way, as long as the gun isn't stored in a super humid location.
And yeah I think I once discovered you can shoot non corrosive ammo to "clean" a gun too. But as an autist, I start getting anxiety thinking of how lots of those salts are simply "buried" under a layer of carbon. Yeah maybe it will look clean but give it a little more time to absorb moisture from the air, and it might be an issue in the future. Not worth the anxiety IMO.

>>64061551
i had that exact model of mauser. I knew it was Turkish but the exact model designation i couldn’t figure out

>>64059741
>I feel like i'm not doing it right cause a day or so after I'm done shooting It looks like rust is showing up
Are you sure it's rust and not copper fouling? Do you live in a very humid climate? I usually pour water through the bore from chamber to muzzle, then I make some moose milk and put the muzzle down in it, put a patch through a loop jag on a rod down the muzzle into the moose milk and pull the patch back up to the chamber. This has the effect of pulling the cleaning solution along up the bore until you break the vacuum seal when the patch reaches the chamber, then it all runs back down out the muzzle. Repeat a few times with clean patches, then clean as normal.

>>64060505
cold water is fine, hot water and windex are memes

>>64061873
I've always done cold water with a tiny bit of detergent because of a different ammo variety that is also corrosive. But a good rinse apparently does everything.

>>64060578
Thankfully racism is still powerful enough to defeat such accolades.

anyone with a KP31 know if the gun has similar issues with drum mags as the PPSH?
also, with my money I can either get 2 drum mags and 6 stick mags, or 3 drums and 2 stick mags for mine. 6 stick mags would fit neatly into both an italian paratrooper case and an mp40 mag pouch, but i feel that i'm likely to use the drum mags more than the stick mags.

>>64061852
If it had a high "hump" receiver bridge for the clip, like mine, then it was a Model 1903 carbine, made by Mauser Oberndorf between 1904 and 1909. Apparently they made 175,000, and a chunk of that total were originally carbines. But I'm sure some were converted to cabines during their 8mm update & refurb in the 1930's. Some say they're among the smoothest Mauser action out there, and I agree- despite being parts mixed from refurb & storage, they are quite smooth.

>auto accepted first offer
Shit I should have gone lower

>>64063987
i never had problems with my drum mags, personally i would run stick mags because the gun is obnoxiously heavy for what it is

>>64010606
>>64011233
>>64014562
I went out today and tried with 150, 165 and 180 grain bullets. It shot the best with the 180s getting about a 3inch group at 100yds. It has a 2 grove 1903 barrel, does that work better with heavier bullets or something? I heard the standard bullet weight for 1903s was 150 gr so I was expecting that to be best. Pretty surprised that it prefers the heavier bullet but I'm just glad I found something that was accurate enough to take deer hunting this upcoming season.

>>64066219
good point
drum mags might be more fun at the range where i'm stationary but for really taking it for long distances i'm gonna appreciate the stick mags a bit more

https://atlanticfirearms.com/zastava-m83-revolver-wood-grip
So anyone here ever bought one of these? I'm not in a position to buy milsurp now but I'm really thinking about getting one of these if I can. 300 seems like a good deal to me.

If you guys could pick one as a once in a while shooter Flintlock. Brown Bess or Springfield 1812? Other similar?
I have the money to pay for one thats in good, shootable condition

Found a Gewehr 41 W for $5000.
I feel like that is pretty low. Should I think about getting it?

>>64050969
You sure do, love mine.
Got a carbine, improved model, smooth bore and like 8 originals. Kind of a addiction

>>64067597
>I heard the standard bullet weight for 1903s was 150 gr so I was expecting that to be best.
The M1903 was initially adopted in .30-'03 with a 220gr round-nose bullet just like the Krag used. The rifling had a 1:10" twist and it didn't change with the switch to 150gr .30-'06 or with the adoption of 173gr M1.

>>64067847
I'm just shocked Atlantic has any remotely not shitty gun in stock for more than 48 hrs.

We were just talking about them a bit ago.

I think $14,500 is too much

>>64070002
I bet the one currently at RIA will hit that after the premium and theft.

>>64070037
I really want to buy some stuff at the premier but after buyers premium and tax it’s like 35% that you have to pay on top of whatever you just spent

>>64070002
>>64070037
>>64070470
Yea that was me I was asking about it.
14k is indeed too much. Im also passing on the one thats on RIA for those reasons.

>>64070037
>>64070470
>>64071453
Do people (boomers aren't people) actually buy from scam sites like RIA? Why in the fuck would I pay monstrous fees when I could just go on Gunbroker and pay no fees?

What's the cheapest rifle with a bayonet?

>>64072179
Carcano cavalry carbine.

>>64072105
I figure its only because of the exceedingly rare shit they have. But yes the other stuff is probably just boomers who are brand loyal to their complete detriment

>>64072179
This >>64072231
or (still) Mosin 91/30. most Yugos too.

>>64072236
Yeah I’ve only thought about bidding cause the only other place I’ve seen a majority of the stuff on there is Tusla
Tbh I’m almost tempted to wait for Tusla to come back around so I won’t need to pay shipping and fees on there but I’d like to not wait 3 months to go look for something I want when I can get it now for a bit more

>>64069068
>Found a Gewehr 41 W for $5000.
>I feel like that is pretty low. Should I think about getting it?
That's gonna largely depend on how original the rifle and what kind of condition it's in. For a shooter, it's a little high. For an untouched original, that's a steal but that's assuming it hasn't been messed with in some way.

>>64072927
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1119625579
It already sold but here’s the listing
Also do you need shooters kits for the BANG system or does is it fine on its own? I haven’t been able to find an answer about that

Are Norwegian Krags essentially umobtainum in the states?

>>64073334
eeehh not really. Ive seen a few enough times to know that its not "unobtainum" by any sense of the word.
I mean shit, even THE BLANKET has a shitty sporter one
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1117193530

>>64073244
>It already sold but here’s the listing
$5k is a lot to gamble on a 10 pic listing but first thing I noticed is not a single picture of any component numbering on this rifle. Stocks would also have been numbered to the rifles externally along with the bolt carrier, the magazine, the trigger guard, the muzzle cone, the action cover, the front sight base, and the components of the bolt group which was conveniently left out of the pics on this one. The ZF40 base is correct as Berlin-Lubecker Maschinenfabrik machined scope rails up until the e block.
>Also do you need shooters kits for the BANG system or does is it fine on its own? I haven’t been able to find an answer about that
No, the pressure is much lower and does not require a shooters kit thanks to the lower pressure generated using the bang system.

>>64074404
No, the pressure is much lower and does not require a shooters kit thanks to the lower pressure generated using the bang system.
Good to know, I suppose the trade off is a lot of extra cleaning especially if you use corrosive ammo lol

>>64072105
Just factor the fees into your bidding and set you max accordingly.

>>64073334
No, they're just more expensive and uncommon compared to US or even Danish Krags. M1912s are the most common, with m/94 rifles being rarer and the various carbines extremely uncommon.

>>64073334
Of course not. That’s funny I was just looking into them. Not seen in the wild too much but i found several on one site at one time, though in various states of military undress.

I got two old leather holsters from an estate, they were dry and moldy so I washed them with water and a sponge.
Now that they've dried, should I use wax or ballistol on them to make them soft again?

>>64073334
not really. Hard to find? sure. But not Unobtanium. I feel like there are 2 factors to what is unobtanium to someone is either stuff you are priced out of or stuff that are things like prototypes, one of a kind or they made 10 of them and they are all in private collections/museums.

I guess for the anons who are in shit milsurp markets and rely on auctions certain things can be considered unobtanium. But just save for a trip to Tulsa or Vegas show and you'll basically clean out there. Then just account for factor 1, price.