New article on air superiority
https://ecfr.eu/article/air-of-superiority-what-the-wars-in-the-middle-east-and-ukraine-can-teach-europeans-about-nato-readiness/

>>63998212 (OP)
tl;dr:
Stop relying on US systems, integrate EU air assets and air defense, stockpiles of interceptors are key, SEAD and ISR capabilities need to becomee integral part of European militaries.

>>63998258
Very good things that I wish to become continental policy

>>63998258
There are also a lot of good analysis on how Isreal was able to achieve air superiority and why Russia’s air doctrine sucks

>>63998289
>There are also a lot of good analysis on how Isreal was able to achieve air superiority
Really? What more can they say besides "f-35 did it"?

I was expecting an European POV...

>>63998290
Israel gained air superiority over Iran due to a long-standing military doctrine that prioritises air superiority as a central strategic objective across the entire Israeli security establishment. The Israeli Air Force trained rigorously for suppression and deception missions, while intelligence services prepared the battlespace from within. Israeli cyber units mapped out Iranian communications and air-defence architecture. Ground special forces were positioned to strike key nodes during the opening attack wave. Even logistics units were configured to support long-range, sustained sorties. In short, Israel approached gaining air superiority as a joint, integrated national campaign, not an isolated air-force operation.

>>63998294
I was expecting OP to link to some 30 page PDF, but it was just some loser milblogger site giving a single man's take. Oh well.

Don't advertise your website in the future, OP

>>63998295
Lets approach that take from a wargaming perspective and examine how to counteract it. Sounds like the IDF's center of gravity is prep time. They need to account for all the variables in advance and have a plan for all of it. That's how they're effective. So it seems like their weakness is being attacked without warning, like on October 7th. They had no idea it was coming and didn't plan for it to happen. Thus, their response was slow and lackluster.

>>63998289
I hhav eto disagree wit hyou hhere (a bit).
The articlee fails to mention that Israel degraded Iran's offensive and defensive capabilities in various theatres and domains for 18 months.

Without all these preparatory steps (which only happened after HAMAS struck Israel) that cost Iran first its proxiees, then most of its ballistic and drone threat, and finally parts of its radar and AD network, thee low that Israel landed would not have been possible.
And the article also fails to mention that Iran could not rebuild those lost AD/radar capabilities because their supplier Russia is stuck balls-deep in the Ukrainian meatgrinder and running low on AD assets itself.
Also, Russia was the power propping up the Assad regime in Syria. This regime colapsed after Russia stopped financial aid, which was anotheer factor that allowed Israel to move freely against Iran.

>>63998308
their strat is easy to counter if you have some brains (you hide your assets from all forms of surveillance but keep them ready, and use a network of forward observers to warn of incoming). when they start losing birds without warning, their whole system will break down.

the slow and methodical approach of sead and dead is the only way that can't be countered effectively

>>63998295
>>63998370
You do know this can all be summed up with "Israel neither half-assed nor cheapskated something as important as an actual war"

A lot of what can be learned from Russia going into Ukraine or even India going into Pakistan grows out of the same lesson. israel wasn't working off assumptions, restricted to a time table set by political goals more than military ones, and wasn't running it on a shoestring budget just hoping that what they couldn't afford wasn't that important.

>>63998507
Israel had good fortunes. Each Iranian proxy went down like a domino. The US was all in on supporting Israel, despite the Ukraine war competing for resources. The US part can't be understated, too. None of what Israel did besides invading Gaza would be possible without the US assistance.

>>63998212 (OP)
>europeans

considering the only serious air force in europe is greece id say it doesnt matter one bit for them
>>63998290
it did jack shit they opened a corridor (their own words) from south to east to have unrestricted access to tehran

>>63998624
>the only serious air force in europe is greece

>>63998507
>You do know this can all be summed up with "Israel neither half-assed nor cheapskated something as important as an actual war"
No. This vastly oversimplifies the time, effort and money Israel spent on shaping the battlefield.
And quite a lot of this effort and money came from the US, directly and indirectly, which is something Europe cannot rely on ever again.

Europe spent the 90s and 00s reaping the peace dividend and rebuiulding from the devastation of Soviet occupation. This led to a political establishment that almost entirely disregarded defence, partly because Russia spent that same time either tumbling down a self-dug pit of corruption or pretending to be friendly.
Now Russia stopped pretending, and Europe has to invest to recoup the lost time and regain those capabilities. Recon, ISR, SEAD, strategic enablers and the C3I that ties it all together only exist iin a very rudimentary form, and especially thhe countries further away from the threat can shine in acquiring them and becoming theey eyes and eaers, and probably theh airborne rapüier of a future EU defense force.
Germany needs to be the backstop for the countries directly on the line, and probably has to invest massively in logistiics to keep things going. Also, air and missile defence, but they seem to have that on ther agenda.
Poland, the Baltics and Finalnd clearly understand that they are the glacis, and I eexpect them to have a bunch of talks abouut a slightly more active form of defence.
Probably with a certain Dr. Freuding grinning like a fucking madlad in the background.

>>63998212 (OP)

>shapiro
>how to increase the slaughter for the two most jewish governments in the world, israel and ukraine

>>63998271
>continental policy
half the continent would rather get rid of military spending entirely and redirect it toward social programs while the other half would happily pay 15% GDP every year if it meant TZD could be ensured.

>>63998648
The only NATO countries outside of the US capable of sustained high intensity warfare are Greece and Turkey, because they're prepared for a war between Greece and Turkey.

>>63998779
Greece would be steamrolled by Turkey in a week. You ever heard of Bayraktar drones? Turkey makes those, and they have too many for Greece to handle.

>>63998289
>why Russia’s air doctrine sucks
Russia has an air doctrine?

>>63998648
did i stutter?
>>63998790
the same drones that went awol within 2 months in ukraine?
that drones?
dude the next big air force and i will add capable too after greece is france
i was gonna argue uk but uk cucked themself for never upgrading their eurofighters to tranche2 and now they are stuck with a miniscule force of trance 3 and an insane amount of basicly EOL tranche 1 aircrafts that are basicly good for nothing

>>63998299
>but it was just some loser American milblogger site giving a single man's take
Europe has no interest in what Americans think any more.

>>63998790
>t. Mehmet living in Berlin

>>63998212 (OP)
The chair force likes the term "Air Supremacy" which is the condition where the enemy is denied use of the air and SEAD has forced AA into hiding.

>>63998290
Money. Jets are expensive, pilot training is expensive. Electonics and advanced missiles are expensive.

>>63998258
good, you shouldn't have let us do the work for you in the first place

>>63998685
The difference between Israel and EU are many and you are correct here that Israel spent the time and effort to build capabilities to shape the battlefield to the point where they make things that are impossible even for great powers, like SEAD and long range air dominance, look easy. But the big issue for EU issue was the 50+ years reality that their disparate armies would be united and support by NATO > US who would fill all those capability gaps and be the sinews that held together continental defense.

I just don't see them getting to where they need to be without an actual rupture with the US/NATO, or else when people say we need all these capabilities, we need them now, we need them to be effective under a unified command, the bean counters will say, ah NATO already does this, why bother with an EU defense force, then either a bunch of broke ass left parties or compromised right wing parties in various countries will dilute anything and we will just see more patch work nonsense and no real capabilities. Only the eastern glacis (love this description, have you read Paul Virilio?) are actually taking things seriously right now but they don't have deep pockets like Germany and the western euros.

>>63998790
israel and greece co founded that new training facility in kalamata for a reason nigga
and that reason isnt because greece is pretty

so far germany has signed
and croatia also
there are in talks with japan south africa and argentina

>>63998923
The EU is barely 30 years old, and most of the estructures that came from the cold war era were of course built iwth US support in mind.
The Geremans, BNeLux, Danese and Norwegians were there to basically stop the Soviet rush for long enough to allow US troops to arrive in force.

Whaht we eneed now is a setup where the eUS is not a factor, Geermany and the western Euros are the reinforcements, and the glacis (no , I did not read Virilio, the term appeared rather natural in this context) has to hold the Russians.

Thhat impliess a lot of capabilities that need to be geneerateed, annd I doubt that thee EU wil be eablee to perform shaping operations on the scale and to the depth that Israel managed in '24 and '25.
But what tshould be possible is to gain control of the cyber realms, and to stop Russian 'grey' actions, kinetically if requiured. This alone will massively weaken Russian power projection, because they invest like fucking crazy in their subversion structures, and denying them this will stop actions like they perfomed in Transnistria, Georgia, and Eastern Ukraine.
Strateegically isolating Russia is tehe goal, and on a grand strateegic level this also means leaving China. China cleearly positioned itself as our enemy, and should always be treated as a hostile power.

>>63998648
Honestly true, they have more combat experience than any other Euro air force (minus Brits) and are actively patrolling where things get hot.

>>63998923
>we need them to be effective under a unified command
Ah yes, the Europeans, well-known for collaborative esprit de corps and teamwork and not at all for their deep hatred for one another and constant backbiting and pissing contests.
Russia could invade an EU member tomorrow and all that would happen would be muted condemnation and limp-dick responses that'd be compromised by Hungary, Serbia, Bulgaria, and others.
The 'grey' actions >>63999383 refers to have rendered the EU impotent, and until EU nations gather the resolve to kill a traitor before an enemy by removing pro-Russian members, assassinating pro-Russian leaders, and treating any assault on a European country like an assault on all of you, Russia will continue to divide and conquer you.
What's more, you deserve it for your hubris and superior attitudes, for treating Ukraine like a crumple zone, and for relying on the Americans you hold in contempt to come to your rescue.

>>63999669
>the Europeans, well-known for collaborative esprit de corps and teamwork and not at all for their deep hatred for one another and constant backbiting and pissing contests
All we need is an external threat we hate more than we hate each other.
And Russia is doing a speedrun of maximum hate farming, so it looks like that can be arranged.

We woulld still prefer to all be rich, fat, happy and pissed at each other over meanigless gripes, though.