Old SOF
>minimal Gucci gear and maybe some new stuff
>even though they are high speed, they look no different from regular soldiers from afar(pants and shirt doesn’t cost them hundreds)
>mostly in regards facial profile and also doesn’t look roofed up
Current SOF
>Gucci to high hell even when standard issue shit are no different from it
>even the pants and shirt cost hundreds of dollars
>roided up to the point that their cardiovascular health is one step away from a heart attack
>never bother looking like regularly infantry and can easily be identifiable from afar based on gear load out alone
Why has SOF become so shit? They are the military equivalent of hypebeasts.

>>63998960 (OP)
>Why has SOF become so shit?
Muh culture
Lack of accountability
A shitty officer corps from top to bottom.

>>63998960 (OP)
You are frankly just a nostalgiafag that doesn't know what he's looking at. The rifles are custom, the LBE and armor are custom, and while the uniforms are standard BDUs, they too are custom tailored with shoulder pockets. That WAS gucci hypebeast gear in 1989.
>they look no different from regular soldiers from afar
Considering everyone else was wearing PASGT helmets and Alice belts with plain stock A2s, while these guys are wearing chest rigs and protec helmets and carrying carbines with magnified optics; "no".

>>63998977
They literally look no different from regular troops from afar. Even the weapons are barely that different unless you focus in on the details.

>>63998960 (OP)
If giving some idiots certain goodies like medals and slightly more pricy gear motivates them to sacrifice their whole life, mental and physical health in order to be the most useful tool for you, I would say that's a pretty easy choice.
Besides the whole hollywood glorification (propaganda), being some guy deep in enemy territory is objectively never a good place to be.

>>63998983
>look no different
You're a fucking retard.

>>63999001
Anon, how would a person know if their shit is custom from afar. Even if they are using those rigs/armor, it still isn’t that distinct from afar.

>>63999010
>afar

>>63999010
If you don't know what you're looking for a regular infantryman will still look almost the same as rangers or sf from a distance. Sure.

>>63999010
>-t. doesn't know what he's looking at
The "uhhhhh modern SOF suck and we must retvrn to Vietnam SOF (which relied on aircraft and died 50% of the time but looked skinny and didn't wear plates so the speaker can pretend to be one easier)" is a classic giveaway for idiot larpers.

>>63999081
>died 50% of the time
Anon, you should probably look at the fatality rates of SOF during the height of the GWOT.

>>63999036
kek

The army/Air Force/navy should do an entire branch wide ban on cryes/forgeline solutions/beyond stuff and stick to stuff that have contract numbers on them. The marines did it with their shit since MARSOC is not allowed to wear cryes no more.

>>63999271
>MARSOC is not allowed to wear cryes no more.

they can wear crye, just in marpat, no more multicam.

>>63999010
If you can't tell a 90's grunt from a SEAL at even a glance I have bad news for you.

>>63999311
I love woodland so much bros

>>63999310
Based on what I heard from a few people in, it’s basically the entire crye shit that is blocked. They double down on them saying that anything commercial is too risky. A friend of mine got forced to wear FROGs because they won’t allow crye stuff, even in marpat.

>>63998960 (OP)
I didnt know Aaron Eckhart oper8ted.

>(pants and shirt doesn't cost them hundreds)
>gucci to high hell even when standard issue shit are no different from it

>days without a "poorfags coping and seething about crye precision" thread on /k/: 0
My personal theory is it's one autist posting the same thread over and over but I see variations of this exact shit with this exact wording all the time on here.

They're kind of expensive I guess but really not that crazy if you aren't a person who buys clothes from walmart

>Current day SOF are shit because mvh vgh sovl /k/ino
OP is definitely underage

>>63999481
OP might be, but you have to admit there's something fun about Delta Force rolling into Baghdad in Gulf War I looking like a group of suburban dads on a fishing trip.

>>63999668
forgot the pic

>>63998960 (OP)
In the course of the War on Terror, it selected for habitual liars, alcoholic, and retards. They're basically niggers with their bling bling purchases, like luxury watches, $1000 fountain pens, etc.

The heuristic that hasn't failed me over the last decade or so is that if a SOF person is speaking, they are brazenly lying - and usually about innocuous things they doesn't even make sense to lie about, given how they brag about war crimes. Tbf, the purpose of SOF is basically to commit war crimes so you can't really be to hard on them bragging about their job.

>>63999668
They did that because they were pulling security for Norman, so were dressed like journalists. They don't dress like that anymore because journos don't either.

>>63999692
Ah, yes, all those journos walking around carrying M4s. Those journos.

>>63998977
Checked and correct. I was at Campbell one block away from 5th Group in the 90s and that's exactly what it was like. They had optics, modded BDUs, railed M4s, always a generation ahead in NVGs, etc., etc.

I do think OP is right in that the chasm is a bit wider today, but it's always been there.

>>63999684
>and usually about innocuous things they doesn't even make sense to lie about, given how they brag about war crimes
one of the weirder aspects of the Tim Kennedy fiasco.
The guy lied about killing women in children--why would you lie about that?
Of course your have George Santos types or that Spanish 9/11 woman who lie about everything, even things (like having a dog) that make no sense to lie about.

SF have literally always looked special.

>>63999672
Jeff Daniels and Will Forte looking good

>>63998960 (OP)
The GWOT taught SOF some bad lessons. Too many people in SOF because they saw a movie.

>>64001883
Any peer conflict the US has is going to be a really nasty wake up call for SOF community

>>63998960 (OP)
>minimal Gucci gear
lmao

>>63998960 (OP)
My uncle was a high speed dude in the 90s with kit like that and killed a shit ton of Serbs. He refuses to tell me specifics doe. One day I’ll get him drunk enough to spill the beans.

>>64002053
why? what would happen?

>>64002221
They get attrited through conventional warfare (drones)

>>64002316
zamn! i guess they shouldn't be on the front lines were drones are most common.

>>64002085
>setting looks like Panama or something
>german beer brand poster/painting

wut

>>64003039
>be at Mexican outdoor swap meet in LA
>traditional German music starts playing
what le heck

>>63998960 (OP)
The guys in your picture:
>custom made plate carrier
>custom modified raid mod uniforms
>completely custom rifles
>radios which no one else but SOF had
>kydex holsters for custom 1911
You're an actual retard if you think these guys are even remotely like a random Infantryman.

Also, Crye was founded in 1999 and G3 uniforms were invented in 2002. Not only that, Tier 1 guys were making them out of Under Armor t-shirts and raid mod BDU tops, and having kneepad inserts sewn into BDU pants.

>>63998960 (OP)
neck routine for left guy?

>>63998997
>being some guy deep in enemy territory is objectively never a good place to be.
Some people just really love killing. It's probably the best place for them to be.

>>64003317
Eats clen, trens hard, anavar gives up.

>>64003190
>G3 uniforms were invented in 2002
G3 uniforms didn’t come into fruition until the early 2010s. You had the g1s, which was in MultiCam in 2006. Few year later they developed g2 uniforms and then g3 uniforms. Combat shirts and combat pants with the kneepads were not crye originals either. They are a byproduct of the future soldier program which had the DoD test out a couple of concepts in cooperation with gear manufacturers.

>>64003701
>Combat shirts and combat pants with the kneepads were not crye originals either.
They were. It was certainly designed under the auspices of the OFW and later FFW programs, and in concert with several other companies, but nonetheless Crye were responsible for the uniform.

Is guy on left in OP wearing a plate carrier?

>STILL complaining about "gucci gear" after the 'obsess over gear' fad died out years ago.

and im sure by "SOF" you specifically mean american special forces.

>>63998960 (OP)
>Old SOF just looked like regular guys with regular gear

Lol look up ST-2 in the Vietnam War. Wild pictures, looks more like a Necromunda gang than a military unit

>>63999827
They're stupid narcissistic alcoholics who are used to dealing with gullible retards that buy Dude Wipes™. It's not that complicated.

>>64002221
They'd get shot fighting actual combatants, like in Red Wings. Busting into the homes of random brown people at 3am and shooting everyone doesn't actually train you for when people shoot back. To say nothing about an environment where the other guy has drones and thermals.

>>64004403
very odd they don't train for people fighting back

>>63998960 (OP)
Why is his head so small...

>>64004438
More difficult to identify as special forces from afar

>>63998960 (OP)
>m81 woodland
>little bird

Yup, it's kino time.

>>64003701
The Crye Wikipedia page literally has a 2004 picture of a guy wearing a combat shirt at an industry event

>>64004438
smaller hitbox, tactical advantage

>>63998960 (OP)
those mustaches are pure testosterone
no one in todays generation could pull those off

>>64005651
Yes, they could. The same way that if you are an actual masculine looking cowboy or rancher working out innaplains you can pull off a cowboy hat, but if you are some pale pencilneck in suburbia you can't.

If you are draped in guns and cool gear, stood next to a helicopter, are muscular and fit and look like a 'chad' in a very purely military environment of course someone in 2025 could pull of a 'stache as well as someone in the 80s.

>>63998960 (OP)
>why arent these guys wearing stuff that didnt exist yet
puzzling indeed

>>64004424
There's so much that can randomly go rong in a small arms fight against someone that isn't surprising that in reality SOF aren't actually better in a gunfight than line infantry trained to Western standards. We saw this in Iraq even, where they had to revise their CQB doctrine repeatedly (especially Delta), because guns are such a great equalizer that too many of them were just getting shot busting down the doors of random brown people at 3am when someone grabbed an AK.

>>64006297
>they had to revise their CQB doctrine repeatedly

wow so they can adapt. that's great.

>>64003355
came back to this thread to give you a (You) for this reply

>>64006297
>>64006297
>in reality SOF aren't actually better in a gunfight than line infantry trained to Western standards
Not that there's any way of knowing but I wonder how MACVSOG patrols would have faired against stock standard US infantry in Vietnam, in their usual contact types e.g. break contacts

>>64006297
>in reality SOF aren't actually better in a gunfight than line infantry trained to Western standards

How did you come to this conclusion when SOF fires more rounds and train in more different situations and areas than regular soldiers?

>>64007033
>fire more rounds
Irrelevant if you can’t hit anything. Point: HRT fired thousands of rounds in Iraq to only hit nothing. When it comes to marksmanship/shootings, they are no different from rangers.

>>64007138
What about actual SOF units like Delta?

>>64007167
They were taking the highest casualties in cqc because they were gung ho retards

>>64007170
High casualties are expected when you do the most dangerous missions every day. If regular infantry were given the same missions their casualty rates would be higher.

>>64007178
Well, it's more like Delta decided to take on missions they didn't know how to do in the GWOT. They were formed to train guerillas and do war crimes behind Soviet lines in WW3 and various brush wars, not clear rooms. And there was a very real learning curve they experienced, which part of the dynamic entry doctrine debates of years past.

I'm being uncharitable, but American SOF seems to have a habit of getting high on their own supply, and then getting evenly matched and shot by malnourished goat herders in fair fights like Red Wings or those guys in Africa not that long ago. Most of the mystique comes down to mission planners putting them in situations where they're shooting sleepy people in the middle of the night. Otherwise they end up like those Blackwater dudes in Fallujah. I don't think they're actually dramatically better in a gunfight than Rangers or a lot of professional infantry.

>>64007196
>They were formed to train guerillas and do war crimes behind Soviet lines in WW3 and various brush wars, not clear rooms
Delta? They're explicitly HVT capture and hostage rescue, you're thinking of SF as a whole.
>I don't think they're actually dramatically better in a gunfight than Rangers or a lot of professional infantry.
Probably not, but that's because they are to some extent shackled by their role. Conventional infantry just use frags to clear rooms or bring the whole building down, delta and its adjacent units have to keep the site exploitable. This is why there was a "bin laden raid" and not a "bin laden JDAM strike".

>>64007196
>not clear rooms

They were made for hostage rescue. Very odd you don't think they can't clear rooms if that's their job.

>And there was a very real learning curve they experienced

What you're talking about is insurgents watching Delta perform raids from afar and later setting up traps for them. What they did in the beginning was immaculate. The enemy evolved and so did Delta. Insurgents set up the same traps for regular infantrymen and they suffered casualties from those traps too.

>I don't think they're actually dramatically better in a gunfight than Rangers or a lot of professional infantry.

I can tell you're ignorant so I'll just end the exchange here. I encourage you to do more reading and then come back later.

>>63998960 (OP)
>>roided up to the point that their cardiovascular health is one step away from a heart attack
They aren't. They do that once they get out, they're older, have a bunch of injuries, and can't maintain the body which was their pride for 10-20 years.

The ex-SF media whores who claim all SF soldiers pound tren and painkillers are literally just projecting. Not everyone gets injured in jumps, not everyone gets barotrauma in dives, not everyone's knees fall to pieces; every accusation of this manner is just a confession.

>>64007256
>every accusation of this manner is just a confession
Oh come on mate.

>>64007412
Come on what? It's a false statement, serving SF soldiers are not sustained by roids and painkillers, and they're not about to have heart attacks.
It's objectively false, and the motivations of those who perpetuate the idea are so fucking obvious, that it's astounding that everyone doesn't just roll their eyes.

For people who were not SF it's;
>a cope for their jealousy (professional or just masculine inferiority complex)
>an excuse for why they didn't physically challenge themselves in their 20's and 30's
>some small way to feel physically superior to special forces soldiers
For people who were SF it's;
>better VA/disability benefits
>another chapter in their book/more podcast appearances
>adding to the prestige of professional competence/difficulty
So some ex-SF soldiers are highly motivated to tell the lie, and their audience is highly motivated to swallow the lie. It's still a lie, it's not true.

>>64006905
>MACVSOG patrols
SOG did not run patrols, although some SOG veterans claim to have done patrols in south Vietnam as a sort of live fire training exercise
your average SOG team would probably wipe out your average Army or Marine platoon with very little difficulty, the leadership was just that bad, field officers in particular
SOG vs an experienced Army LRRP is a toss-up

>>64007475
the only thing that is astounding here is your willingness to believe that anyone here will believe that the bleeding edge of the bleeding edge of what may arguably be the most tech-obsessed military on the planet is NOT using combat drugs and NOT actively experimenting with ever more invasive medical tools and procedures

>>64008266
And somehow none of the paraphernalia related to these drugs is ever lost or leaked, and none of the brain-damaged ptsd vetbros ever accidentally blab about it while drunk. We already know what the combat drug is, it's meth. The only developments you would need for military application is figuring out what kind of dosage/duration is best for combat, nothing high-tech about it.

Serving SF soldiers aren't roidheads, they're just better athletes than you. And the ones who claim all the others were roiding are actually just insecure about how they stacked up when they were still in.

Both roiding, and accusations/suspicions of roiding, are driven by petty jealousy. This is true everywhere on Earth, even in SF circles.

>>63998960 (OP)
Don't forget the super gay "operator beards". Perfect impact buffer for sucking your buddy's dick in the field.

>>64006905
They'd Fair a hell of a lot better than the regular troopers because macvsog was lousy with spies in headquarters. By the end of the war, the guys on the ground where lying to headquarters about what area of Laos they where in v I wish someone would do a deep dive and interviews about that fiasco.

But Mac vsog has a distinct advantage of the ability to divert all Air assets within 500 miles.

>>64008369
>And somehow none of the paraphernalia related to these drugs is ever lost or leaked
most are in pill form. for everything else, your friendly neighborhood corpsman or medic has the goods and the training
>We already know what the combat drug is, it's meth
oh you sweet, sweet summer child
modafinil is mission-essential for wartime carrier ops, did you at least know that? idk what they use for a sleeping pill these days though... maybe it's still ramelteon
beyond that there is a whole galaxy of uppers, downers, perception enhancers and so on and so bloody forth
>Serving SF soldiers aren't roidheads
it depends on the missions they are expected to perform and to some extent on personal preference
certainly nobody's stopping them

>>63998960 (OP)
The custom stuff they had to rig themselves looked so cool, I think it's because iconic movie props are made the same way

>>64008369
>Serving SF soldiers aren't roidheads, they're just better athletes than you. And the ones who claim all the others were roiding are actually just insecure about how they stacked up when they were still in.
Lol lmao. Everything coming out of Bragg points to a gigantic laxness on gear, and even drug abuse more generally. Do you actually think they never touched a syringe of test until after they left service? Get fucking real.

>>64002350
Who said anything about frontlines? Spec ops niggers btfo (literally)

>>64006304
Which meant that their existing training meant fuck all against an armed and more importantly awake enemy. Not like shooting someone in their sleep.

>>64008369
https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2023/09/29/navy-to-test-seals-special-warfare-sailors-for-steroids-and-peds/
https://www.insidehook.com/culture/steroids-deaths-navy-seals
People can't do basic fucking googling these days

>>64011063
no, their tactics prior worked very well. the enemy just adapted. that's what happens in war.

>>64003190
>>64009985
>custom
Modified uniforms should be the only thing for SOF when it comes to unique uniforms. No more cryes or Patagonias, if they want a uniform that suit their needs, they can pay a tailor $50 out of their own pockets to modify the uniforms. And btw, it is possible to modify standard issue uniforms into crye cuts.

>>64011102
Nobody is talking about MultiCam though, but most people agree that cops shouldn’t be wearing camouflage in the first place. If the military has surplus of shit, they shouldn’t sell it to the LEO market.

>>63998960 (OP)
Old SOF
>civilian tactical gear market was limited
Current SOF
>civilian tactical gear market is not limited

>>64011915
>limited
Lol, lmao even.

>>64002085
what's that taped to his left suspender? a flashlight?

>>64011918
What are you even arguing? Prior to the late 90s you had like 3 companies servicing everybody, hence the abundance of rigger made shit to fill the gap.

>>64011905
>he doesn't know
The reason police usually wear blue in America is because surplus Civil War Union Army uniforms were the most common early police uniform.

>>64011927
Yea that's what flashlights used to look like 40 years ago. Note the width btw, that's not an unfashionable D-cell chonker, it's a slim high-speed one for the time.

>>64011953
>that's what flashlights used to look like 40 years ago
I know that, I just wonder why tape it there instead of just sticking it in a bdu pocket or something

>>64011953
Doesn’t it’s okay

>>64008243
>the leadership was just that bad, field officers in particular
How come?

>>64003355
rofl

>>63998960 (OP)
Is that Pat McNamara on the right? Who is the absolute gigachad mogging him on the left?

>>63998960 (OP)
those tube grips looked so cool

>>64015451
Def not Pat Mac

>>64011942
Zoomoid probably wasn't even conceived in the 90's lmfao

>>64011962
because its tacticool

>>64015566
Proof?

>>64011962
Read maps at night and shit.

>>64015594
concession accepted.

>>64019882
You realize the commercial tactical gear industry didn't take off until after 9/11, and even then mostly after the 2003 Iraq Invasion gear shortages? Shit, were you even in middle school by that time? Tacticool gear corps using fashion industry marketing techniques is even more recent, as in mid-late 2010's.

>>64019921
>You realize the commercial tactical gear industry didn't take off until after 9/11

You mean it got bigger? Everything gets bigger with time.

>>63998971
>A shitty officer corps from top to bottom.
qrd?

>>64019921
>got bigger
Anon, the gear industry has been popping off since the 60s.

>>63998960 (OP)
>Gucci to high hell even when standard issue shit are no different from it
Companies literally give you free gear when you aren't requesting it through the procurement. Why wouldn't you give it a try?
>even the pants and shirt cost hundreds of dollars
FREE. Either taxpayer funded or demo units handed out for 'trials' or 'to take photos during training in their kit'.
>roided up to the point that their cardiovascular health is one step away from a heart attack
It's a life into which you check in at 21 and check out at 35 or by the next IED. You can't be a liability to yourself, let alone others, so you do what you gotta do. It's no secret that gear + good program cuts off years from physical training.
>never bother looking like regularly infantry and can easily be identifiable from afar based on gear load out alone
If you spot them on target at all, as a military aged male, they'll just shoot you and drop an AKM on your body. It doesn't matter if you can be IDd as non-infantry if you murder witnesses.

>>63999271
All of these branches have contract with Crye, that's how Crye makes most of their money and why its all expensive since they have to abide by Berry...

>>64021714
no such thing as free. Doesn't matter who bears the cost, the problem is that primadonna operators feel justified in wearing super special cool clothes and gear that priced as high as a new car.

>>63998960 (OP)
>minimal Gucci gear and maybe some new stuff
Incorrect. They're literally supposed to trlest and evaluate new equipment as well as use equipment that fits a SOF mission and may not make sense for regular troops.

>>63999271
>MARSOC is not allowed to wear cryes no more.
They can on real missions, just not in the garrison shoppette.

>>63998960 (OP)
The fuck are you talking about? Those guys are in the gucciest gucci gear imaginable at the time and look nothing like like regular soldiers. You're just underageb&

>>63999271
must be a stealth steroid user ban since crye pants crush adult sized nuts (mine).
sorry for all you raisin nut crye fans.

>>64021613
>>64020019
The fuck are you smoking? Back then the only game in town was USGI, to the point where the few commercial gear manufacturers tried to copy USGI aesthetics as a show of quality. In the 80's there were a few more popping up but mainly to outfit police SWAT teams thanks to the whole war on drugs shit, but even back then commercial gucci gear looked more similar to military issue gear than the civilianized nylon stuff out today that took design motifs from the civilian backpacking industry (interestingly that seems to have started in South Africa with their P83 and immediate predecessors). You didn't see an explosion in commercial gear manufacturing until the iraq invasion when every unit was raiding surplus stores, their parents' garages, and writing fat checks to shady assholes near the base with a sewing machine simply because there wasn't enough gear for everyone. That's why you get the oh-so-A E S T H E T I C woodland body armor on desert camo look, because desert stuff simply wasn't available in large enough quantities back then.

All this instagram tacticool hypebeast shit is only from the last decade.
You know what, the hell are we even arguing about? You zoomoids are agreeing with me.

>>64022528
Remember: the average retard walking around outside can't even tell you approximately when WW2 happened. The fact he's able to tell this is an old photo puts him on the better half of this bell curve. lol, lmao even.

The actual most interesting thing in the industry how many tactical companies have reorienting around non-firearm apparel/gear/equipment, because the profit margins are so much higher.

Guns are an objectively bad business to be in. You're selling a product that requires expensive and precise tooling and high start-up costs, is highly regulated, requires an extensive brick-and-mortar distributor network, and the product itself, if taken care of, will outlast the person buying it.

Apparel is a great business to be in because it's the opposite of all of that.

>>64023522
The most interesting thing is that they're still around selling products to civilians, particularly manly men who are too alpha male for fashion, using fashion industry marketing practices even though the war on terror is largely over. It would be interesting to discuss what this means for society at large, but this isn't /pol/.

>>64023484
I have no idea what you're talking about. I saw a bunch of manufacturers in Gun and Hunting magazines.

>>64023538
OK, and? How does that change the fact that the OP pic is commercial tacticool gear and the OP is an underaged retard with zero concept of the pre-2015 world?

>>64023538
Do you even know what a "rigger" is? I'll make it easy for you: not the 2020 election propaganda definition.

>>64023191
Which also includes majority of SOF too. Whoops.

LRRPs and old Navy SEALs won't bitch and cry for air support anytime they get into contact, pure soldiering skill comes into play

Meanwhile outside of true blackops every SOF cries for air/artillery support like they're regulars

This is why boomer SOF get so much "respect"

>>64011905
LEO here. The amount of savagery we have to deal with on a daily basis puts Pfc Bubba standing around holding his dick in the sandbox to shame. Don't think for a second those streets aren't a warzone.

>>63998977
they did most of the niggerrigging themselves tho
they didnt hire some industrial design faggots for 500k to design the optimal thumb rest for some pistol they never use

>>63998960 (OP)
>minimal Gucci gear
That's just how Gucci gear looked back then.
>>63998983
>They literally look no different from regular troops from afar.
That's because the materials are similar to regular issue and it was the age before PALS webbing, velco placards/dangler pouches, shock cord and G-hooks.
Gucci gear was often made under contract to specific units by brands like Eagle Industries, Blackhawk, etc. or by grabbing standard issue gear and asking for modifications from people on base who were good at sewing or having a nearby tailor who was already used to sewing tactical gear for the boys.
Then you have shit like the SADF Niemoller rig, which was Gucci for its time but then the South African government went around shopping for manufacturers who could made cheaper versions, the paratroopers made changes to the design to suit their needs, etc which eventually made the Niemoller look pedestrian because regular units started wearing lookalikes.
Pic related, Blackhawk Commando chest rig. It was Gucci in the 90s and 2000s as special units wore them. Now they look like any fucking chest rig you can buy at airsoft/militaria stores because the modern Gucci is inflated. We have hoeflation, physique inflation and Gucci gear inflation. If you don't have Gen 3 WP tubes, kydex inserts and tegris expander wings don't even talk to me, you filthy peasant.

>>64019921
Anyone in middle school during OIF would be over 30 now

>>63998960 (OP)
When did the shift happen from SEAL being surfboys and divers to literal FAGGOTS like Jocko, Luttrell, Kyle, Goggins, or that "I totesmagotes am the one who shot UBL, look at me, ain't I cool" guy?

>>63999445
SAS has such an interesting unit culture, they always talk like they're blokes pouring cement on a job site.

>>64025994
Are you a big city cop? Any good stories?

>>64025994
yeah cool whatever you still shouldnt be wearing multicam

>>64019921
No, hes right. Eagle, AWS, Blackhawk, LBT, all around since the early 90s or earlier, offering aftermarket gear for SOF. It wasn't as big and mainstream as today, you really had to be in the know to know, but commercial tactical gear has been around long before 9/11.
>>64023484
So your objection is a matter of scale, the tactical gear market wasn't "real" pre-9/11 because it was only a few companies?

>>64026821
Thanks for trying to get the last word in only to say you agree with me, like the typical chan autist that infests this shithole of a board. Not conceding because I'm right and you agree!

PS: How does this change the fact that OP is a myopic zoomer that has no concept of the pre-culture wars world?

>>64026821
Every single one of those companies' products were derived from rigger mods, which for some reason you are allergic to acknowledging. Answer the question: What is a rigger? Not the 2020 election tourist definition.

>>64011953

>Most likely conveniently apocryphal pop-up 'fact', since police forces in nearly every western nation are also blue, and the few American ones that actually standardised were prior to the civil war as well.

Some police departments using civil war uniforms in the reconstruction era is a long way away from being the reason police uniforms are blue.

>>64025730
>LRRPs and old Navy SEALs won't bitch and cry for air support anytime they get into contact

Are you talking about Vietnam? They wouldn't leave base without a radio to call for fire support. No one leaves the base without knowing they have support in case shit hits the fan.

>>63999827
>The guy lied about killing women in children--why would you lie about that?
no it was lying bout lobbin 50 nades tho i think i forgor

This was Gucci gear pre-9/11.

>>64027557
wtf bruhhhhh where's the BRAND logo and instagram reel????

not bussin frfrnocap ONGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>64027557
An era to be missed.

>>63998960 (OP)
>unironically worshipping israeli golems