Would the 10/22 (or any rimfire for that matter), be good enough for home/self defense?

Low recoil, lightweight, and easy to aim and maneuver. It just makes logical sense, something that can punch 12 inch holes in a person from a distance as fast as one can pull the trigger would be more than adequate for home defense. How can 10 to 25 icepick wounds in someone's chest or head area not be enough to stop a threat? I think I can kill a man with a 12 inch ice pick with one or two thrusts to his head/chest. So why would this not work apart from the reliability of the ammo?

Bonus question: if you have a 22lr gun/ammo combo that rarely if ever malfunctions on you, could that be viable for self defense?

that's entirely up to what you want in a home defense weapon
i'd take it over a baseball bat
if i had something better i wouldn't use it but honestly the situation is so unlikely it's entirely up to you
personally i think rimfire unreliability is overstate, i have literally 0 malfunctions in my 10/22 with quality 22 ammo

>>64001118 (OP)
Most people who are looking for HD aren't preparing for a 130lbs white kid sneaking in through a window, they are preparing for a pack of wild (insert_slur_for_dark_skins) kicking their door down. There are plenty of police videos of (insert_slur_for_dark_skins) mag dumping 9mm into them and they keep going. For HD I won't use anything except 12ga or non-PC rifles.

>>64001167
>(insert_slur_for_dark_skins)
Are you afraid of calling them niggers? Would darkies suit you better? Or perhaps jungle bunnies? Bravo mikes? Chicken washers?

>>64001167
On the positive side, they usually all scatter like roaches after you fire the first shot

>>64001187
mooncrickets is another acceptable term
>>64001118 (OP)
shit OP you put 25 rounds of .22lr into somebody they're gonna go down I don't care what anon's say

>>64001118 (OP)
>if you have a 22lr gun/ammo combo that rarely if ever malfunctions on you, could that be viable for self defense?

I've put a couple thousand rounds through my SW Victory at this point, and aside from a couple of duds (cheap bulk ammo) it's worked flawlessly. Realistically, no one is tanking 10 minimags to the face and continuing to fight. It's not the optimal choice of course, but no one can seriously claim it's inadequate.

>>64001118 (OP)
Nope, .22LR is best for practicing the fundamentals or for plinking.
For the "real deal" I have my Mav 88, Glock 19, and I may even branch out to an AR pistol in the future

>>64001118 (OP)
>Low recoil, lightweight, and easy to aim and maneuver.
5.56 AR15 is all of these things but with better ballistics

>>64001118 (OP)
I think it could work even if you had to go with some kind of specialty defense ammo. Think AC-556 but 10/22. And ~12" barrel instead of the 14" (?) the AC-556 has. Too loud? Integral silencer. Throw in a selector for good measure since we're going into the theoretical "what if" land (or selectable binary if you can't). But I'd probably go with is a silenced MP5 at that point even if I had the option of a reliable BX-25.

>>64001155
>that's entirely up to what you want in a home defense weapon
^

>>64001167
So you're saying multiple ice pick wounds in a black man's head/heart/spine would not kill him? So they're basically like super soldiers or something? Or could it be that when they get shot multiple times with 9mm, they're also not getting hit in vital areas? A 22lr is a lot easier to aim than a 9mm. Not that a 9mm is that hard to aim when speaking about PCCs.

>>64001400
You will never convince me that an AR15 is as maneuverable as a lightweight 10/22. Especially when talking about those new lightweight 3 pound 10/22s ruger is coming out with.

Maybe if the AR15 is a pistol length barreled version. But by then you're basically just shooting spicy 22s that wont yaw and deform. So basically back to ice picking 22s. And permanent ear deafening loud too.Unless you put a can on it. Which brings it to 22lr levels of loud but brings the length back up again.

One's better off with a quality PCC pistol and hollow points.

>>64001317
How about "property tax reduction agents"

>>64001118 (OP)
The 10/22 is very reliable. Factory Ruger rotary mags don't have many issues with FTF unless they're dirty or worn out.

>>64001118 (OP)
Would you like to buy a bullpup stock for one?

>>64001581
>(or selectable binary if you can't)
can confirm this is fun as fuck AND with Mini Mags is pretty reliable. Would I choose it over a Winchester 1300? Probably not. Would I encourage my wife to pick it up if I wasn't home and something went bump in the night? Yes

>>64001118 (OP)
I have 350 rounds through a Mk 2 LLV right now with no cleaning and minimal lubing with zero malfunctions so far but I wouldn't use it for self defense its definitely not capable of stopping a crackhead @ 7 yards

Choice of ammo is also a big factor. All of the cheap shit like remington, Winchester, federal burn dirty as hell and will gum up a 10/22 real quick. Fiocchi and CCIs higher end stuff is a better choice for .22 imo. I've actually had a remington case shear and blow out the extractor on my 15-22, not fun times.

>>64001118 (OP)
>If 22lr was as reliable as centerfire...
...countless centerfire cartridges would fade out of common use.

>>64001753
What about 22lr can't stop a crackhead? Is it not capable of reaching vitals? Every testing I've seen from a round nose plated 22lr shows it will go right through a human. Meaning it will go through your entire brain or out through your spine. In the end it's shot placement

>>64001773
22lr would take over 9mm and 9mm fudds would be on suicide watch like 45acp fags

>>64001867
>unironically hitting me with the shot placement argument
lol

>>64001882
I'm gonna take the word of a bunch of delta guys over a 4chan "muh culuhbur" fud. Cant shoots can't into shot placement obviously

>>64002154
You can kill someone with anything 22 short and up. Its just substantially harder and requires greater precision and volume of fire to do so for smaller weaker rounds.

>>64001118 (OP)
>Would the 10/22 (or any rimfire for that matter), be good enough for home/self defense?
People hit with a small caliber round (.22/.25/.32) are twice as likely to survive as those hit with a medium caliber round (.380/.38/9mm) and four times as likely to survive compared to large caliber rounds (mostly .357/.40/.45 with a couple of statistically insignificant .44s and a single 7.62x39 fatality during the study period), The actual numbers would look even worse if you isolated for .22, the kill count of the 'small caliber' category was carried by .32.

If .22 looks anemic vs 9mm then I'm confident it'd look even worse compared to 5.56
If someone is threatening my life then I want to disable them as quickly as possible. The evidence makes it pretty fucking clear .22 is not the best tool for that job.

>>64001118 (OP)
>something that can punch 12 inch holes in a person from a distance as fast as one can pull the trigger would be more than adequate for home defense
Which this caliber cannot do btw.

>>64002154
i guess i can't disprove that you are a so well trained that you can bullseye someone between the eyes in a high stress situation, so you win this one

>>64001118 (OP)
>If 22lr was as reliable as centerfire would it be good enough for home/self defense?
Yes.

>>64002154
Yeah dude, delta force is well known for using 22lr.

>>64001118 (OP)
I'd prefe my home intruder the have 12 buckshot large buckshot wounds

>>64002590
You called?
https://smallarmsreview.com/hdms-silenced-22-pistols-in-vietnam/

>>64002628
NTA but your article points out how the gun was always used on unsuspecting or retreating targets, not on targets who were fighting back. Shooting someone who is busy doing something else (in Minecraft, of course) is much easier than while you're trying to not get shot too.

Furthermore, the article even highlights how it would kill people slower than another option.
>"Before Project Phoenix officially started, HDMS pistols were principally used in Vietnam by courier intercept teams who liked the silenced High Standard .22 because the weapon could be used to disable a courier. All courier escorts would be killed in the ambush using more conventional weapons. Hitting the courier with a well-placed, silenced .22 rimfire round would be used to trigger the ambush. The big dividend of using the HDMS was that there was a good chance that the wounded courier could be kept alive (long enough) for interrogation if the shot was placed properly."

>>64002590
No, but I've seen plenty of discussions and podcasts where all the guys who actually saw combat all said the same thing. Prefacing here but...

>doesn't matter if it was 9mm, 556, 308, or even 50 cal. If it didn't hit them in the CNS, they didn't instantly stop fighting back

Also, the Mossad (regardless of what you think, about kikes) use suppressed 10/22s for riot control, and they "stopped" using it because they kept killing sandnigs with the 22 and this is without aiming for the head or chest. I'm not saying it's the best option, I am saying that if your 22lr is reliable, it's good enough.

>>64002193
Yeah, and a 12 gauge point blank would have the best one shot stop percentage over anything else. The discussion isn't how it compares, it's whether it's good enough for the job.

>>64001187
Pavement apes, orcs, they/them/those

>>64001348
Same. I run cheap ass winchester ammo through my Victory, and it never fails to cycle, even when magdumping.
Only thing that stops it is the occasional dud.
It's a pretty slept on handgun, but I guess that's what happens when the market for .22 is so flooded.

>>64001187
The mods at /k/ are all liberals, I've been banned many times just for "racism outside of /b/."

>>64001187
Joggers
Basketball americans
Redguards (TESVI never, fuck you Todd)
Urban Youth

>>64001118 (OP)
I might be wrong about this, but I always thought 22lr's general unreliability is because of its ability to be mass produced and only cost like 5 cents. l thought they make more expensive 22 that has actually been QCed. Theoretically the gun should be mechanically reliable

>>64001118 (OP)
Our Hebrew brothers use the 10/22

10/22 is the one semi auto that the Canadian lib government doesn't have an interest in banning. I have been considering one as a safe, legal option.

Even if they did get banned, they are quiet enough you can practice with one without everyone in a 2km radius knowing exactly what you're up to.

That all being said, the government's lack of interest in banning it makes me wonder if a bunch of experts decided the idea of actually putting a 10/22 to use is laughable.

Keep in mind, they felt the need to ban 50BMG because even single action rifles in that caliber were considered a problem. Like civilians are going to attack soft shelled vehicle engine blocks.

Look, 22lr can do the job, particularly if you are a good shot under pressure, but why limit yourself?

A single shell of #4 buckshot is a more than a magdump from any common 22 rifle, in projectile count and and power per projectile.
A 9mm carbine will do better per trigger pull if you don't want to deal with shotguns.
If you have a fetish for minimal force/cost possible, .22 air rifles kill people on a regular basis.

>>64001650
>"property tax reduction agents"
My new favorite, thanks.