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>>64002224
>draw from my natural carry position
But you presented on the target over-hand
>10 meters away
That's hard mode with rudimentary sights and offhand
>point shooting and DA
Wouldn't 10m [32ft] give you enough time to thumb the hammer on draw

>>64002220
Fuck you, LMTroon

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>>64002311 (OP)
Noglock troon OP

>>64002321
>Wouldn't 10m [32ft] give you enough time to thumb the hammer on draw
glocktroon, 21 feet is the rule for cops to be able draw and shoot 2 rounds.

11 more feet is going to save the godawful speed pptroon just did

he also lied and it's only 7m

More range butterfly posting

>>64002321
fucking kill yourself everyone hates you

>>64002321
> But you presented on the target over-hand
I had some background with iaido, idk if that’s fucking me up by making me do a loop draw by habit
> That's hard mode with rudimentary sights and offhand
Right is my dominant but I’m near ambidextrous
Also it’s a reasonable drill to attempt: a mass shooter or parking lot gunman may be at that distance and if I can do at 10 I can definitely do the more probable 10ft shot
> Wouldn't 10m [32ft] give you enough time to thumb the hammer on draw
Adding another step to the checklist for what’s going to be an Adrenaline dump moment is a recipe for disaster. I’m a doctor (sort of) not special forces, thumb off safety (by instinct) draw and da is conscript tier simple

Also pierce brosnan does the move all the time but after trying realized it’s trickier and forces you to shift your pinky
Is probably only good for psyching his opponents which is what he does so in his films
Amazed he never had a Rust Accident

>>64002372
I love browning pistols but I don’t love Springfield
You got something better?

>>64002393
He gives useful info while you just bitch
I’d forgotten I do this stupid flourish after a draw and will now train to stamp it out

>>64002422
>but I don’t love Springfield
What does that have to do with anything?

>>64002431
"useful info"

anyone could have said that what you posted was fucking terrible and shooting one handed with your skill level is close to suicide

>>64002431
>t. tranny dick rider
nta, but I bet your parents are proud.

>>64002412
You need to do like three dot torture drills a week on separate days, every week.
You also need to just learn to use DA on the first shot.

Dot torture is cool
Even Burt did dot torture
Be cool, like Burt

>>64002442
I bought a Springfield hi power (used) it had a very weak recoil spring and +6lb trigger. I took apart, polished the action and replaced the springs and then lost the sear pin and cried in frustration
>>64002445
The second hit struck the heart/aorta, the third hit struck the eye. Check if you don’t believe.
Provided the wasted DA shot didn’t cost the first strike advantage that would’ve been a win.

when you guys dry fire with a red dot, does your dot literally not move at all on a good trigger break? mine jiggles just a little, it always shoots downwards and back up a fraction of an inch

>>64002461
Ty
I’m like once a month shooter rn
I did just buy a 10/22
Maybe I should buy a bobcat and use those for frequent practice

>>64002475
What guns do you own currently? I've got a LOT and I use them regularly so I could make recommendations if you'd like.

>>64002445
Glocktroon posts nothing but the dumbest fucking know nothing inexperienced takes. It's no wonder the permadipshit cocksucker ppanon and him fill every thread now, pretending they're learning and sharing insights. The two dumbest ass huffing motherfuckers I've ever had the displeasure of reading on this god forsaken website. I could at least ignore ppanon, but the glock newfag forces himself into everyone's conversations. He's cancer. He killed /hg/. He should walk his brown ass back to whatever shithole country his whore of a mother crawled out of and let the cartel peel his face off and feed it to their dogs.

>>64002393
I promise I'll kill myself if you do it first

>>64002490
That's no way to talk about your superiors anon. These chads are saving /hg/, and this is the thanks you give them? Ungrateful, insolent fool.

>>64002468
A little bit in DA, not at all in SA, but my SA triggers are ~3 pounds or less.

I get that pitch forward sometimes too, it happens once or twice on the first dry fires but then after it not at all. It might be a little bit of recoil anticipation then I realize its dry fire

I caught myself pinning the trigger and pitching forward on this drill.

>>64002489
you're a real nice guy anon, but he can't be helped. we tried for years

>>64002489
Lots:
A mini 14, a 10-22, an enfield, a Winchester 07 for long
PPK, Mak, 44Bulldog, Cheetah, SA-35 (waiting on replacement sear pin), 1903, 1908(drop safe), Police Positive Special, Nugget Revolver, a CZ50 and LCP
Oh and a lebel revolver

>>64002490
NTA but my unsolicited opinion is the only way to productively interact with these types of genuinely or ironically retarded poster is to treat their post like a matter of fact question and then answer it in a way that's useful or educational to lurking newfags that genuinely want to learn.
The poster is a lost cause but I bet theres a dozen guys at work or on a trip that are refreshing this thread out of boredom. They might be worth the effort.

>>64002511
It's more for you guys than him. And I know, I was in /hg/ back in 2014 when it was a monthly pistol competition target posting thread and burt was the "unbearable shitposter" because he cared so much about trigger break and over-travel and had like 600x as many cool guns as the rest of us combined (and we were salty as fuck)

>>64002514
that may have been the path, but fucking with him is too funny at times

>>64002533
ah a super old fag. Burt is insufferable on some of those topics, for me it's his decibel chasing on suppressors when it literally does not matter in a semi auto due to chamber pop. Followed his advice and now have a can I regret

>>64002512
Okay, quick question, what's your living situation like?
Apartment? House? Roommates? Garage? Etc...

>>64002508
Do you fucking shave your arms?

>>64002544
high speed low drag

>>64002543
Rent usually but also have family houses I can park most guns in. Usually I only have a handful on my person
My brother is big on guns and takes care of them

>>64002542
>super old fag
I'm only 36!
Burt is genuinely good people and he wouldn't fuck with you on purpose, but yeah you really need to recognize that he's autistic and doesn't give a shiiiiiit about your specific needs or values. I used to get high blood pressure screaming at him on here and oldfag wisdom taught me that was stupid.

>>64002567
Is your brother as muggable as you?

>>64002606
No, he’s a builder, muscled and uses AR15s and non joke guns

>>64002567
Alright, well that's really vague so I'm gonna just assume you live in apartments or dorms or something.

Firstly, if you're hitting the range once a month that's more than like 90% of cops so hey, nice.
Unfortunately, hitting the range once a month like you do is not going to cut it if you want to actually gitgud.

Now I'm gonna assume if you could go more frequently you would, so it's not just "lol shoot more fag"
So my personal advice having gone through this myself is don't buy another gun, get a target air pistol and a pellet trap.
A low power pistol, preferably with adjustable iron sights, and ideally decent quality.

It's damn near free to shoot, it trains out your flinch, you can pick it up and set it down casually instead of it being an event like a real range trip, and you'll get significantly better in about month if you stick with it daily.

>>64002613
>non joke guns
kek

Also
>LMFAO NAA

>>64002619
Yeah, basically
Graduated recently and probably will move out of state for a long term job
I actually will sell some of my non favorites
> So my personal advice having gone through this myself is don't buy another gun, get a target air pistol and a pellet trap.
>A low power pistol, preferably with adjustable iron sights, and ideally decent quality.
An air pistol? Even if I don’t have a 22? I kinda knew you were right and was planning something like that but thought a 22 would be more versatile
But I already have a 22 rifle so maybe that’s enough

Are there good air pistols for training? Preferably ones that can sim DA/SA?
That’s what I really need help with as all my favorite carry designs are DA/SA and my first shot sucks

>>64002620
I mean he uses glocks and ARs and LE trade ins
Compare that to a PPK

I have to wake up early tomorrow and am heading in now. Goodnight, everyone!

>>64002412
Curious, I've never seen a hammer with serrations on the strike face
>background with iaido, idk if that’s fucking me up
Yeah, martial arts doesn't mesh well with firearms most of the time. Otherwise gunkata would be a real tactic
>it’s a reasonable drill to attempt
It'll be harder to pull off with 9x18 but let us know how the range sesh goes with the PM
>Amazed he never had a Rust Accident
That's because they didn't bring live ammunition to set lol

>>64002370
LMTroon, take some evening classes to improve your English
>21 feet
>7m
You should be drawing on someone who brandishes a knife at your regardless of the distance really

>>64002490
Fuck you, Berettroon

>>64002631
>keyholing
What's the round count on that pistol?

What are some kino grips that I can get for my 1911?

>>64002672
It’s an early war Zella-Mehlis. The innards are significantly different from later PPK and it’s also a bit slimmer and less angular (cuter).
> doesn't mesh well with firearms most of the time
Yes
The grip sort of translates, especially pulling hard with the lower fingers like you do in a sword as it stops the gun from flipping
> because they didn't bring live ammunition to set lol
Then amazed he never blanked in someone’s face
> You should be drawing on someone who brandishes a knife at your regardless of the distance really
Maybe that’s part of why my draw was weird: before the drill starts I have my left hand stretched in front of me, ether to fend off or warn off, right hand on my pistol grip
It was like to simulate going from the warn/retention position to shooting

Still absolutely no reason for the overhead flourish. Must be bad muscle memory translation

>>64002649
lol lmfao

>>64002672
Also Good night

Friend is going to be a cop. Doesn't want issued Glock, and wants an optic. What should he get instead, and what optic? M&P 2.0? He wants polymer.

>>64002717
M&P2 will probably be automatically approved and easy for him to use. Not too expensive either

>>64002646
Don't focus on DA/SA or drawing, or anything right now. Just go full zen and the art of the tight groupings, fundamentals are the most important thing right now.
Not everyone is the same, but you are definitely a shooter that needs to just do sight focus groups for a while until you develop the """muscle memory""" (yeah it's not an accurate term, everyone knows what I mean, fuck Travis Haley) for a correct sight alignment.

Here's the cool trick that should sell this to you
>All point shooting and instinctive ninja shit with pistols is just built on individual aimed shot reps until you can feel the point of aim without looking at the gun

If you shoot a thousand perfectly aimed shots with an accurate air gun, you will no longer need to focus on the sights as hard with most real pistols.
It's 100% transfer, you get better with the real handguns when you shoot the air pistol (assuming you do it right and don't fuck around)

>>64002727
Well
You’re the one getting these groups so you probably know something I don’t
This is pretty close to my usual setup and it’s cheaper than a 22lr bobcat or PPKS

https://www.umarexusa.com/walther-ppks-177-black

Are laser snap caps and laser target boards worth it or a gimmick?

>>64002745
>Are laser snap caps and laser target boards worth it or a gimmick?

Nta but a total gimmick, you can get exactly the same training dry firing at a target on the wall.

>>64002745
Don't try to "match" your carry gun. Just get a good accurate easy to shoot target pistol. It could be a single shot, that's totally fine.
Get a pellet pistol, not a bb pistol. Rifled barrel is a must.

>>64002727
Are those Boberg/Bond Arms actually decent? Always wanted one for my collection.

>>64002745
>Are laser snap caps and laser target boards worth it or a gimmick?
Oh, forgot to answer this

I'm gonna say "they do not significantly out perform structured and intelligent dry fire practice."
HOWEVER, shit is never black and white.

If they get you to increase the amount of dry fire you are doing because "lasers" is just what your particular brand of autism gets hard for. Or even if it will just fill your "I gotta do DA/SA so I'm gonna choose a less optimal pellet pistol" thing. Either way, if that's going to promote other good behaviors maybe it's a gimmick that's actually got some value, I'd endorse that.

Fwiw, I've used multiple of the high end laser cartridges and the mantisX rail mount too.

>>64002753
It’s a cheaper option anyways (da/sa air guns are more costly). I notice if the grip is off the way I have to hold my hand shifts
>>64002749
Should I just dry fire my DA? To get practice on DA/SA doublets? It’s the DA combined with just drawing and not lining up sights that gets me

>>64002768
Ok

>>64002763
If you get a choice get an original Boberg, the guy was hyper autistic and the guns are just so incredibly well made/machined. But either way, totally worth it.
I've had the short and the long models and I suggest the long model. The short has a fun problem of being a bitch to holster because there's nothing in front of the trigger (it is cool as fuck though)

Remember, no aluminum case ammo ever, use anti-seize on the locking track or it'll gall because lol stainless on stainless.

>My buddy has a fucking DLC coated one that's the absolute hypest shit, it's his fucking EDC lol

>>64002544
There's obviously hair visible. Stop phoneposting cancerfaggot.

>>64002777
Yeah looks up a training thing for dry fire reps and just do it consistently, you’ll see the improvement in a few weeks.

>>64002786
Ty

>>64002786
Damn, I thought the gitgud guide still had my dryfire guide. Guess not
>Still has my JA22 shitpost group though kek

>>64002311 (OP)
I want one of those in 9mm but i can't but its cool for tom green to hump a dead moose.

>>64002353
my bum is on your lips

>>64002836
>I want one of those in 9mm but i can't
Damn anon, I'm sorry

>>64002846
yeah they stopped allowing them in CA.. ill leave here some day

>>64002311 (OP)
Redpill me on the HK VP9. Weren't there problems on release? Or maybe that was the P30. I get them all confused. I've never really looked at the HK pistols before, and I'm surprised the VP9 Match is under $1000.

>>64002980
>Weren't there problems on release?
MAC said it could hydro lick if fully submurged until the bubbles stopped then immediately pulled from the water and fired.

>Or maybe that was the P30.
No the P30 went like 90,000 rounds in a summer with double digit malfunctions

>>64002980
It has the same problem that the PDP and Canik TP9 series has, where if you smack the bottom of the mag while the gun is cocked, it could decock and then you have a dead trigger. It's a possibility inherent to the design of those guns.

>>64002988
checked
>water stuff
Oh yeeeaaah. I remember that.
>p30 90,000 rounds
Wow, that's impressive

>>64003004
what the... hmm, maybe I don't want one then.

>>64003004
I have literally never heard this about the VP9, ever, and I regularly talk to people who would care a lot.

>>64003015
>Wow, that's impressive
Here, let this blow your mind

https://pistol-training.com/p30-thursday-week-forty-two/

>>64003015
It's not a huge problem. It doesn't even happen all the time. In fact I don't think it even happens 1 in 10 times. But it could happen and if it's going to be in the back of your head, then maybe you shouldn't.
The real reason to not get a VP9 is that the PDP is the same gun, if not slightly better, for less money. The HK markings don't even matter as much because HK snobs consider it the poorfag HK.

>>64003024
It's a real issue, albeit rare. "I never heard of this so it doesn't exist" is retard talk. You sound like a Sigger.

>>64002422
holy shit the pigfat on the 1911

>>64003035
I have never witnessed this happen once on any of these firearms when people are doing tap and rack drills, nor have I seen it occur in any test of them. Are you just making shit up? I don't even know how that would mechanically happen with how the trigger works

>>64003373
You just keep saying "it didn't happen to me so it doesn't happen" like a retarded nigger even though it's a known issue.

>>64003376
First of all, fuck off. I am not that fag, you mongoloid. Secondly, I've never even heard of this being a possibility and I also haven't seen it in action in any of the caniks or pdps in person or in reputable media stress testing the platforms.

>>64003004
>>64003035
>>64003376
Post a source or fuck right off. I have a P99, a PPQ, a Q4 SF, and a PDP. None of them have ever dropped the striker inadvertently on a hard mag change, that makes no sense. It would be a widely discussed issue on par with the P320.

>>64003383
>he's already moving the goalposts

>>64003386
Go look it up yourself, there is discussion on it. It's a known issue. All you retards can do is go "I've never seen it durrrrr" over and over again.

>>64003393
The burden of proof is on the accuser.

>>64002672
Aren't you supposed to be on a break?

>>64003393
>>64003035
>>64003004
sig(nigger) hands typed this unbelievable nonsense.

>>64003399
>>64002980
>>64002846
>>64002782
>>64002753
>>64002619
>>64002311 (OP)
nigga heil hitler

>>64002368
>IT’S PAYNE!

>>64002980
The VP9 somehow had a better trigger than the P30 I shot despite being striker vs SA/DA. I hate the paddle mag release, I don't care if it's technically better once you train with it for months. I'm not going to learn an entirely new way to change mags just for one gun. Luckily they make a button release model, and I'd reccomend you get that version. The ergos of the VP9/p30 are very, VERY nice. Everyone I've seen pick one up has this lightbulb moment where they say it fits like a glove made just for them. They are about as reliable as a handgun could possibly be, similar to the USP in that manner. The main drawback is the trigger isn't actually that nice compared to a PDP or similar "good trigger" especially the p30 which shot worse groups than the vp9 due to the poor SA trigger despite being almost identical to the vp9. The other main drawback most people don't talk about is they are both as snappy as the PDP which often gets flak for being snappy. It's not a huge problem, it's just going to slow you down a bit compared to other pistols like the Echelon, FN 509, Glock 17 ect. Up to you if you think that downside is worth the upsides.

First day in Argentina went great, unfortunately my Argentinian buddy who got here 5-6 days earlier than me to visit his family here already got mugged a couple days ago. Poor guys like 5'2" he's victim sized. Ballsy fucker managed to convince them that he didn't have any bank accounts or cards so he only lost the cash he had loose in his jacket pocket. I wish I was able to carry my 509c here.

>>64002412
Excuse my ignorance, what pistol is that?

>>64003399
I have likewise never had this issue with my PDP in about 4k rounds. If it is a widespread issue I'm open to changing my mind if he can provide some proof, which should be easy to find if it is as widespread as anon says

>>64003756
>argentina
yikes. can you carry a knife or machete? pointy stick?

>>64003841
Nice collection fellow Florida anon, try out smoke wagon small batch or redwood empire lost monarch if you're looking for a new bottle.

I would buy a pocket knife, but we are going to fly from Beunos Aires to Bariloche to hike the patagonias in just 2 days so it feels like a waste. May still just get one and chuck it in the trash or check a bag.

Took my gen 1 PPS to the range for the first time, and that trigger is going to take some getting used to coming from my m1 PPQ, its a little squishy and the break is not very clean.

Makes for a nice summer carry gun though, much easier to hide appendix than the PPQ in a wife beater and shorts.

>>64003859
will do, thanks for the suggestions. stay safe and post when you make it back to civilization

>>64003907
Thanks anon, going to be nice to be in the mountains although it is kinda cool this entire city smells like bbq when lunchtime hits.

nta but this has been a known thing for years and shrugged off long ago. Many striker fired guns can have the sear slip with a hard enough impact resulting in a dead trigger. It won't fire (if it's not a sig) because of the FPB, so the worst case situation can be resolved with a tap+rack. A mag change won't do it, but it is a thing, if not an actual issue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kP9ZW57ov0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRTECJTuw4E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YPYjox5qIo

>>64002699
>it’s also a bit slimmer and less angular
That makes sense. Every time I looked up the PPK on Walther's website, it lacked the "cinematic" appearance which I chalked up to the lack of stainless steel and pearl grips
>pulling hard with the lower fingers
I thought the single-hand technique requires softening of the lower fingers with dextral strength concentrated on your index and thumb
>Must be bad muscle memory
In a cramped shooting stall, we tend to pick up poor habits in general

>>64002705
GM

>>64003425
Aren't you supposed to be cock sucking?

>>64004053
>nta but I'm going to back him up with his no proof bullshit
Post guns because, as stated before, no one has seen this happen and now you're still trying to push disinfo.

Have a Ruger Old Army arriving soon

64004072
You don't deserve a (You). Just watch the clips. Like I said, it's NOT actually an issue and can't be induced by a hard mag change. I'm just saying the dead trigger thing is/was real, just wildly exaggerated.

>>64004090
The burden of proof is on you dude, you've been saying it for hours now. It's pathetic.

>>64002717
Will his agency even let him use a personally owned weapon? He should check out the PDP.

Lol the little bitch (probably a sigger) is still at it. "Known issue known issue" but I haven't had it happen in years.
Waltherchads stay winning.

>>64004053
>>64004090
Ah ok thanks for the proof, I agree its a non issue if it doesnt go off like a certain sig or happen with mag changes

>>64004246
You're the only person who brought up mag changes.

>>64004254
>brought up
>mag changes
NTA but yes, you have to bring the new mag up to change them. It's part of the process.

>>64004325
The claim was that the gun decocks when the basepad is bumped, mag changes were never mentioned.

>>64004335
>claim was that the gun decocks when the basepad is bumped
I'm just having a goof, but I've never seen that happen.

I have a p226 mag that is rusting like a mfer on the outside around wear spots
When do you guys toss a mag? I mean it still works and I dont think rust spreads like aids to other metal spots does it?
Its just a chemical reaction that is happenning to that particular spot of metal because of moisture + salt right?

>>64004341
It doesn't, the shitposter is just making things up.

>>64004343
Unironically use Frog Lube.

>>64004066
Man you act like such a little bitch

Go back to your hug box in arg

>>64003386
>>64003024
Anon is an exagerating moron. It can happen if dropped hrd on concrete at just the right angle, never when reloading or just tapping like he said.

>>64004072
What? He literally posted a YouTube video of someone dropping by the striker with an impact

>>64004464
Are you shitposting? He never said it happens if you tap it or reload >>64003004
Are you hallucinating or some shit?

>>64002368
Damn

>>64003756
Have a safe and fun trip dude. Let us know how the latinas are like; I'm in the mood to channel my inner Bob Vogel

Some of it is for the NAA, FEG, Scorpions, I'll probably buy another .32 this summer as well.

>people here didn’t know about the striker dropping on the vp9 if you hit it with a mallet
>people here probably still don’t know about how the trigger goes dead in a pdp/ppq/q5/canik if you pull the trigger while the gun is slightly out of battery

lol

>he's still trying to shit on walther like they're sig
I've literally never seen this happen and you still haven't posted any proof or even anything showing anyone has ever talked about this before.

>>63999607
>Croatian shit HS2000
Is it shit ? I'm on the fence of buying one for cheap, HD purpose (would end up forever in police locker). Plus I like Resident Evil 4's Blacktail.

>>64004557
https://youtube.com/watch?v=eXdvhMVfkvs

I shant be spoon feeding you any further

>>64004523
I just tested this on a PPQ and a PDP and I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. If you barely pull the slide back a bit pulling the trigger actually pulls the slide back into battery and it would then fire a round and cycle. If you pull the slide back any further then the trigger is indeed dead because in that case you would be dealing with a jam of some kind that isn't allowing the slide to go home. You're fucking weird, dude. I can only assume you're bored or something, because I don't understand why else you would be here on a Saturday looking like a dumbass for any other reason.

Cuánto?

It's hilarious because you're able to follow the string of replies and a guy saying that P99-derived guns having a known issue where the gun could decock if the magazine is smacked somehow devolves into "you're a sigger making shit up and it's impossible for the gun to go off if the magazine is changed or lightly tapped." This is schizo tier bullshitting and making up things that were never said.
Waltherfaggots should be embarrassed because you guys look like fucking faggots right now.

>>64004614
Haven't been keeping up on this saga but I'll add that the VP9 striker will release if the gun is dropped. Of course since it wasn't made by Sig the other safeties work and it doesn't go off.

>>64004597
I really have no idea, the new XD osp 3 or whatever is a great deal sub 400 dollars with a bunch of upgrades. I may have it confused with the XDm or XDe or whatever that Springfield had where in the compact or subcompact size the gun can get locked up with a round in the chamber and there is no way to unloaded it without destroying the frame

>>64004634
The new XD mod 4 is really fucking ugly.
They put the Springfield roll mark on the grip in the most ugly and obnoxious way.

>>64004639
Bring back the grip zone!

>>64002784
>can't grow arm hair
>calls others faggots

> You did go shooting this weekend right?
> If so what and who all did you bring?

Typically have 1 to 3 other people with me when i go. 1911 22 always has problem, might need a tighter spring. Like the neos but not a fan of the glock grip angle. Turkshit cz/jericho clone is almost as good as the real one I own, only around 400 rounds through so far. Shield is a shield and my edc. Thanks for reading my shit blog

So are there any shooters left or did we horseshoe back around to old/k/ where it's just three dudes with gun show C&R guns they're emotionally attached to and a couple guys who don't own anything but have very strong opinions.

>>64004762
There's a good litmus test:
Just call someone who doesn't have an OC pic in their response a noguns.

>>64004780
That doesn't work because the biggest shitposters are two trannies that avatarfag with their guns. Just having a gun is too low a bar.

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>>64004783
One of them is refusing to post their guns since they’re supposed to be on “break”

Convince me not to buy a Hellcat micro, lads.

>>64004858
Ernest Langdon carries one, so that’s a big plus for me

>>64004875
Langdon is a fag and his shit's all retarded.

>>64004923
He shills Berettas (good ones), HKs (even the P30), and out of all the micro compacts he goes with the Hellcat. Not the Sig (he’s called the P365 stupid on podcasts), or any of the other options.

Hellcat is OK. It is slightly more masculine than the Shield Plus. Shield Plus is a better gun though

>>64004858
The good:
>best capacity for its size
>basically a tiny glock clone
>good sights

The bad:
>grip is borderline or uncomfortable in extended shooting sessions because of how sharp the edges of the grip are
>grip texture will rash you if you're IWB and it's rubbing on your skin

That's really all I have to say about mine. It's ok. I didn't like any other micro 9 more, they're all meh, I tried as many as I could before buying one. I found that my old habit thumbs high grip tended to ride the slide stop so I had to train that habit out.

>>64004944
Langdon uses the Hogue rubber wrap around grip

He’s huge which might be his reason but that seems like it can fix that

what's the funniest handgun you own?

>>64003803
An early ww2 PPK, Zella-Mehlis series.
>>64004066
They got a little more angular after ww2, when Manurhin began remaking them, they also got millimeters bigger
Perhaps because 380 became common
Then when they started making them in America S&W put this retarded long beaver tail on them which nuwalther kept. The tail may be what makes the 380 walther bite hands since my 380 manurhin never did that

Anyways it’s why I find Zella-Mehlis the best. They also had an early example of a stepped feeding ramp which lets a 1942 gun feed JHP.
Which is annoying
If I ever have to replace my PPK, to get peak function I’ll need another ZM model
>>64004343
Boil it, put washing soda in the water and aluminum on the wound or inside
Turns red rust in guns to the bluing like magnetite
>>64003456
I own Wilhelm Burgforf’s pistol

>>64004343
Seal the wear spot with a dap of Gold Guard, problem solved. If you carry it you need to find out the interval of reapplication since protectants get rubbed of. Fuck, im sick and had tobhelp building the tend forbthe gun club festival... no grilled piglet for me :_:

>>64004952
10mm 1911, Nighthawk Custom Predator. The red dot, bull barrel and tungsten guide rod makes it super fun to shoot as fast as I can.

I bought a Dan Wesson 10mm but it’s not as comfortable to shoot, it’s something about the grip, beaver tail, something that’s throwing me off.

>>64004976
Are those grips actually grippy or just for aesthetics?

>>64004986
The teeth are sharp so when you move across them they grip but otherwise it’s not that grippy. The overall profile is nice and a little bit larger than normal 1911 grips.

I don’t like super aggressive grips since they tear up my hands in longer range sessions (more than 200 rounds).

They are quite overpriced for the carbon fiber ones, the G10 ones are 120 bucks, the Carbon Fiber ones are 270 dollars and I regret the purchase

>>64004928
I have examples of his work and it is sub-par.

>>64004952
Does this count?

>>64005164
I have examples of his work and they're great

the "X300 comp" is shit though

>>64005164
I'm envious of that firearm, anon.

>>64004961
>An early ww2 PPK, Zella-Mehlis series.
Thank you. I noticed the very small sights, I should have known. I like the white grips.

>>64004976
>not as comfortable to shoot
It's the extra weight on the Nighthawk.
Go full weightmaxx. Install brass LOK grips. If it had a rail I'd say also hang the heaviest WML+LAM you can find off it. Zero muzzle flip.

>>64002672
Crawl into a woodchipper, feet first, and mulch yourself. Everyone hates you.

SIGGERS!

>>64000583
>G26 Gen 5 MOSTacking on a reddot defeats the purpose of a subcompact
>won’t make you more popular
But it will make you notorious
https://youtu.be/tXCWvSdYn30?t=56

>>64000402
I dunno about that, anon. The MRDS looks like a CRT monitor grafted to your pistol

>>64000953
In no uncertain terms >>64001227you'd be very pleased if I were doxed, targeted for harassment and committed suicide as a result

>>64000931
That would take months, perhaps a year

>>64001426
>generally their parts are durable. They just can't QC worth a fuck
That is a paradoxical statement. For example, if you purchased a stripped lower receiver [this is one of their more popular items because of the ambidextrous features and selector marks] and the pin holes were elliptical or misaligned then the lack ofQC will have defeated your own premise
>Neither can Geissele
Bill'sQC has improved over the years and their tapered, CHF and CL Super Duty is the spreme barrel for general purpose AR-15's

>>64000405
That's Homo & Kock for you. They rest on their laurels :defense contracts locally and paypigs abroad

>>64000644
Fuck you, WC Elitroon

>>63999798
Fuck you, Berettroon

>>64004961
>Perhaps because 380 became common
That does make sense, it's a wider cartridge with greater volume necessarily
>S&W put this retarded long beaver tail on them which nuwalther kept
Isn't that the model James Bond uses?
>stepped feeding ramp
>is annoying
What, you're able to cycle BB cartridges without it?

>>64005573
You have to kiss Ron Cohen’s ass now.

this dude is a fucking loser holy shit

>64005629
Eat shit and die, you fucking cancer.

>>64005631
RON COHEN IS NOT THE KING OF SIG!

>>64005659
I would be so happy if he blew his brains out with a shotgun.

>>64005481
I think it’s the fit of the grip safety

>>64005691
Seems like a such a minor thing that it'd be near unnoticeable desu, but maybe not.

>>64003832
I have a canik tp9da and had to do a tap rack drill several times when I shot a box of shoddy ammo and never had this problem.

>>64004597
Not a fan of the grip safety TBQH but perhaps shooting gloves alleviate the feeling. I'm not sure what the point of it even is when there's already a trigger safety
>pander to Xoomers and Boomers
Then it makes even less for the trigger safety to be there lol
>slide height
IME, the recoil isn't as predictable with the center of mass shifted by the slide geometry. Other than that, the ergonomics are better than Glock [low bar to clear, mind] and it's one of the better feeling triggers in the poly striker market

>>64004976
Either that's a different model or Marina was younger when those photographs were taken

>>64001909
I had nothing to do with the edits or their proliferation. In fact, I deleted the initial image but those assholes swarmed around it like sharks to a drop of blood in the water

>>64004404
It's a reference to a joke video, lighten the fuck up
https://youtu.be/NuP1VQAQ3-Q?t=29

New Mec Gar 18-rounder review from s00tch just dropped. I'll check it out now and let you guys know what the deal is with them but am not feeling optimistic at all given the reports of how poorly they perform in non-Staccato pistols. I actually considered replacing my polymer mag release with metallic just to use them but figured the additional round wasn't worth deviating from the tried and true OEM spec. Incidentally, I learned that 19 cartridges will fit in a G17 [Gen4] mag and they cycled with ZSR 115gr FMJ but haven't yet tested this with M882 [124gr FMJ] nor any JHP loads

Biggie & Smalls

>>64005853
I'm liking Biggie

>>64005853
It run?

Only an asshole from Tucson or out of state would visit a range just to dox someone

>>64005878
Like a champ

>>64005908
You running spicy hot handloads through it?

>>64004858
I've shot most of the micro 9s, and all of the various models of hellcats. The micro is the best imho because they ALL shot the same groups in my hands and had all the same draw backs, but not all of them have that incredible size to capacity ratio.

A lot of companies make micro compacts, and most of them are pretty bad. I think the hellcat is pretty decent compared to the rest of the competition, but I would reccomend the shield plus instead because it has better slide serrations and trigger in nearly the same size.

>>64005908
Damn, didn’t realize it was 10mm.

Anon anon is working on a 7 inch 2011 in .45, I want to do it too. Or just get the Fusion 7 inch or a Les Baer long slide

>>64005799
STFU and neck yourself. Nobody reads anything you post.

>TFW have like five 80% 1911 frames
>TFW should do yhe MGS3 1911 like I wanted
>TFW lazy as fuck

>>64005957
Nah, I don't handload and I haven't gotten around to buying anything like underwood or buffalo bore yet. But it likes warmer range ammo like magtech, sig, and blazer. It's sprung so heavily that anything that's basically glorified .40 S&W, like armscor, is a complete no-go.

>>64006067
I have an Ithaca Gun Co M1911A1 slide that I got in a trade. Someone polished it, had it hot blued, installed a tall front sight blade on it and some kind of shitty adjustable target sight in the rear dovetail.

I kind of want to build it out into something, but I've priced out the parts I'd need to make even a simple complete pistol is more than just buying a mid grade replica.

>>64006036
I've never held a double stack .45, sounds thick as hell.

I looked into custom longslide builds, like fusion, but I decided the time/effort/money wasn't worth it. Plus I kinda liked the historicity (shit reputation) of AMTs, and decided to roll the dice.

>>64006067
i forget what the 'cut it in half and weld it back together' procedure was even supposed to do.

>>64006233
2011s can have the same thickness as a normal 1911 with grips surprisingly ~1.2 inches, some people specifically make them wider due to disease called Burtism

>>64006234
People don't understand the autism rant because they don't know how the OG 1911 autism was in the 70s and 80s

He meant they literally welded material onto the frame rails (hardfacing, weld metal is extremely hard and strong if you select the right filler metal and settings) then hand scraped them down to fit the slide (whos rails were also peened tight and extremely even with a hardened hage block slid along and the slide hammered around)

The extremely hard welded rail is now a vacuum fit to your slide and the scraped surface allows oil to be trapped between them. It's the pinnacle of hand fitting a 1911 or oyher steel framed pistol, he was right to have a massive boner for it.

>>64002717
I would ask what his agency allows, I mean an M&P 2.0 is a good choice, but if his department allows it, a PDP or VP9 would be better

>>64006251
>“Uses grip to pistol whip suspect”
>*striker drops without him knowing*
>dead trigger when he tries to shoot the suspect

>>64006256
I'm not reccing a P320, calm down

>>64006264
I was referring to the PDP and its derivatives (VP9), if the Magwell gets impacted hard enough then the striker can drop which gets caught by the firing pin block so it doesn’t go off, the trigger just becomes dead requiring the slide to by cycled to cock it

It’s not a real issue other than the gun equivalent of bench racing

>>64006273
This is the first time I have heard of this

>>64006323
https://youtu.be/3kP9ZW57ov0?si=I3GvBmJsbkzwvUHm
It’s possible but very unlikely

>"this is the first time I've heard of this"
>half the thread is about this

>>64006323
Because it's not a real world issue and can only be induced with shoulder height drop tests or a mallet. It only popped up when smacking your guns at every angle with a hammer on camera was the big guntuber fad in the wake of the first P320 "voluntary upgrade" debacle, everyone wanted to be the first to break the next big safety scandal.

>>64006336
Imagine being this fucking stupid with a gun

>>64006342
Your average poster on this Vietnamese basket weaving forum is illiterate, this should not be surprising.

>>64006451
They're just shitting on you to shit on you, as the most deserving creature in the thread.

Isn't the PDP the new sidearm of the German police, or Special Forces, or both? It's gotten very popular over there.
Germans are autistic as fuck so they probably did every possible test and crunched all the numbers. They wouldn't give their forces some shitass gun like the US military.
Really, the biggest problems with the PDP are that it is soulless-looking and has terrible marketing.

>>64006476
>germans pick german gun
damn nigga, for real?
next you're gonna tell me the croatians adopted the hs produkt gun, or italians adopted the beretta, or the americans adopted the """american""" shit sewer product

>>64006476
>Soulless looking
People get striker fired gats for pure utilitarian reasons, not for soul. In general I think the Walther/HK/S&W(specifically the m&p) as the most functional and decent looking striker fired. Aesthetics of the gun are important too I suppose
>Marketing issues
Marketing is for shit guns like sigs, good shit gets around by word of mouth

>>64006476
I'll agree on the bad marketing. How they handled the PDP F was crazy. "FOR WOMEN ONLY" as if nobody else wanted a PDP with a smaller frame and grip with everything else being identical.

>>64006492
If amerisharts stuck to shart pistols they'd be pretty limited to sneed&Wesson, nig, and springfields. I think most people that carry guns for a living prefer Glocks, at least the ones that get a choice in what they carry

>>64006508
they could just issue troops 7k atlases

>>64006508
The M&P line is better than Glock in every single metric my guy.

>>64006514
it really isn’t

How do I sight a red dot? I used a boresighter at home but it only worked in the pitch dark and I could barely see it. And when I went to the range today the bullets were going to the bottom left and I didnt bring the tool to adjust it. Do I need to just bring it to the range and get it to sort of spray at the center of the target? Because this boresighter didnt seem to work at all.

I'm looking for a level 1 retention holster for my Beretta M9 to bring it with me while hunting this year. What's a good option?

>>64006520
It is, though. Cost, ergos, sights that aren't lmao plastic, better triggers, better reliability, aren't as prone to limp wrist, smaller grip because they don't add a bunch of polymer to wrap their mags in, mag releases are actually made of metal, I could go on for a long time. Glock is shit and is extremely overpriced. Dogshit company, mediocre product, Glock Perfection™ enjoyers better be ready for Gen 6.

>>64006527
>I didnt bring the tool to adjust it
>I didnt bring the tool to adjust it
Maybe bring the tool next time, dumbass.

>>64006536
Why didnt the boresighter work? Im lucky I brought another gun with ammo so I didnt waste the trip

>>64006514
Ive only tried the 9 shield and I strongly prefer it to the Glock, for feel and function. It's my micro of Choice

>>64006532
Here's the world champ Ben Stoeger saying that the M&P 2.0 is a good gun, but not as good as a Glock. :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYyOTtQzIyk&ab_channel=BenStoeger

>>64006542
the bore and where the laser goes aren't lined up perfectly due to issues with the laser cartridge fitting, it itself being off, and that bullets travel as if they were a beam of light

to sight a red dot you always bring the tool to the range, what I do is I get it close at 7 yards and then shoot at 25 and then adjust for height differences of a 7 vs 25 yard zero

>>64006542
The boresighter laser works but it's not exact you're still going to need to shoot it to dial it in

handguns for people with teensy tiny fingers and giant palms?

>>64006527
Just slave the dot to the iron sights at first, and adjust from there. Don’t bother with a bore laser. If you’re not a good enough shot in slow fire to get a tight group just yet, then there’s no shame in zeroing off a bag. Just make sure to keep your eye placement the same as you would have shooting offhand to prevent any parallax issues.

>>64006566
Gun was grouping left, one click on windage made before shooting middle target. I think this might have been because I dropped my gun on my desk and had to re-torque the optic screws.

>>64006476
>They wouldn't give their forces some shitass gun
The bundeswehr literally chose the CZ P-10C as their sidearm purely because it was the cheapest option. That was literally the main requirement. That and it needed to be something already adopted by another NATO country, because they weren't going tk bother paying for any of their own testing.

>>64006557
P30/VP9 with the thin side and medium rear inserts, G19/17, Px4, CZ75 with thin grips
You'll probably like paddle mag releases, use the tip of your trigger finger to hit them.
Also, try swapping your mag release to the right side of the frame if you're able. You may like it.

>>64006542
It got you on paper so it did its job, don't be retarded and forget the tool to adjust your zero next time.

>>64006611
be nice, he's special

>>64006604
thanks. its wierd. my palms are like a good 1-2" longer then my middle finger, so I am not exaggerating. giant ass palms and tiny fingers.

>>64006677
Yeah you got wop mitts, I do too.

>>64006464
Even though I am a Walther fanboy, my only other post ITT is >>64003863. I am not concerned with using my pistol as a mallet dropping the striker, since I do not use my pistols as mallets.

is there any real practical reason to get a 1911 in .45 over 9mm? I live in a 10rd state so im considering just getting a 9mm 1911 because the capacity issue doesnt really matter

>>64002980
I love mine all my friends that have shot it like too
Biggest strength is the ergos and trigger pull. I don’t own a pdp but I’ve shot it many times and I personally get a more consistent trigger pull out of my VP9 but I’ve also dry fired and shot it a lot more
Have had no failures on it but I’m under 5k rounds in

I’ve gotten the issue >>64003004 is talking about to happen on my VP9 (late model Limited Edition) inconsistently but it can happen but I have to basically use it as a hammer and even then it has a 1/4 chance of actually going dead
Honestly I don’t see it happening under normal circumstances but it is an issue
https://youtu.be/3kP9ZW57ov0?si=7hGK1dpbVoIDO1IK

Love my VP9 it’s just fun to shoot yeah it’s more snappy than my G19 but I can do a 15 round mag dump into a 10 yard target with both and the results are relative they both fall back on target just as fast in my opinion but because of the ergos I can go through 200 rounds with little hand fatigue but I start to get a tremble in my hands with most other pistols around 120-150 rounds

>>64006696
Imagine this IDPA stage.

You get abducted by Jigsaw-San, you are locked in a room with a wack a mole machine, there is no mallet. All you have is your Walther PDP. Jigsaw on the intercoms says that three of the most prolific gay rapists have been injected with horse aphrodisiacs and are waiting behind 3 doors to the left, right, and behind you. The doors will open as soon as the wack a mole game is over, you must win the game or the room will be filled with Hoppe #9 and you’ll drown. You are free to go as soon as the doors open, as long as you get away unscathed.

>>64006708
No. Hitting follow up shots is far more important than your bitch flinch.

>>64006712
If I had to go out, drowning in delicious hoppes wouldn't be so bad.

>>64006708
.45 is a fun cartridge to shoot, I love the muzzle flash it makes, 1911s naturally work better in .45 than 9mm due to them being designed around .45 and 9mm is a much smaller round. On the other hand a full steel 1911 shooting 9mm, especially a 5 inch model, will be the softest shooting 9mm possible. It’s just something about the 1911 action that is so smooth and the weight of the single stack steel frame.

>>64006721
Also .45 1911s don’t recoil as much as say a Glock .45 due to the extra weight and how hammer fired guns have more springs to dampen the slide/recoil.

>>64005438
There is an adapter near the muzzle for bigger sights. There are wartime radium sights for PPK night sights
>>64005629
It’s annoying because an interarms or Manurhin 32 PPK is less likely to feed buffalo bore so to not lose capability I would either have to get a modern and accept the stupid beaver tail or look for another WW2 PPK that isn’t late war
Also until the Craig films they all used Manurhin/Ulm or interarms https://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Sean_Connery
>>64004066
> I thought the single-hand technique requires softening of the lower fingers with dextral strength concentrated on your index and thumb
There was an instructor in YouTube saying gripping hard with the lower fingers locks the wrist and prevents flip. Anecdotally it did help the 1911 and bulldog firing standard rounds stay on target
I didn’t bother with the bulldog on buffalo bore though

>>64006745
I’m going to give you some helpful advice, hyper fixation on grip will get you no where. Starting to dictate individual finger tension will make getting your grip consistent very hard to do. Just hold the fucking gun.

I gotta be honest, not ecstatic about the DA decocker concept where the first two rounds in a Mozambique "failure" [to neutralise] drill would be of a completely different feeling trigger though my concern is alleviated somewhat by the thumb option to carry "cocked and locked" if a P226 were ever in my future

>>64005494
>>64005632
>>64005650
>>64005659
>>64005679
>>64006061
Next time you want to bullshit me, bullshit each other instead

>>64006745
>the stupid beaver tail
Are your hands too large for it or do you simply prefer a high grip on the frame?
>gripping hard with the lower fingers locks the wrist and prevents flip
That's a interesting theory but my experience has always been that gripping tighter with the lower digits tends to torque the pistol and thus lead shooting left of center

>64006802
STFU fag. Nobody reads you gay ass posts. You know nothing. You are worthless. You have no experience or insight into anything. You're a stupid brown child giving your opinions on things you know nothing about. Fucking die already please.

>>64006809
it's crazy how he posts blogposts to no one and really the only person he interacts with is ppanon

he does this in arg and people ignore him there. here he decided to pick fights with everyone

Here's a video demonstration featuring your average Berettafag

>>64006809
>You're a stupid brown child
Wilson Combatroon, how many times must it be explained to you that I am not Weedgineer and never claimed to be

>>64006818
LMTroon, it's actually hilarious how in the dark you are about my monikers outside of /hg/

>>64006818
>he decided to pick fights with everyone
Because for some reason he wanted to become a main character here as soon as his newfag ass started posting. I legitimately hope he fucking dies. He's dumber than shit and knows fuck all and has a basic bitch fucking gun and can't shoot it for shit. He is the last person who should be chiming in about anything here, yet he forces himself into every conversation. If he made individual posts, he'd get no replies, because he has nothing of value to say about anything, so he mass replies, including across threads, in hopes someone gives him a (you). As if all that weren't enough, his stupid brownoid brain thought it'd be cool to be a condescending shit talking prick to all the regulars here while he did it. Waste of life has no business existing. I fucking hate him. Everyone hates him. This was a great general and he single handedly killed it. Fuck him.

>64006839
Suck shit and neck yourself.

>>64006548
The guy says a lot of shit based on his whim of the moment. If you're a fan of his, you know he changes his mind a lot or makes statements that literally make no sense, like Glocks being easy to reload despite polymer on polymer and no real beveling

>>64006845
I don't know who you're raging at but he sounds based

>>64006857
have you seen him reload

>>64006857
Ben’s a lot, lot better than you, so I’m gonna go with his opinion instead of yours. Thanks, though.

>>64006863
I'm sure I have because he's done it in a few videos, but I cannot bring up a mental image. I'm not going to go down the road of his technique since I only said that as an example of him just spouting stuff that only makes sense to him. Most Glock clones and the M&P pay attention to the magwell and beveling (the m&p using metal mags as well) because Glock reloading IS a relatively acknowledged weakness of the platform; Ben saying otherwise is just Ben being Ben

>>64006874
https://youtu.be/7i_6CZm8KUo

>>64004780
>how to get spammed and raided
Yeah ok captain virgin. Flinging baseless accusations should totally improve thread quality, right?

>>64006883
Uhhhhh, doesn’t he know that you can’t reload Glocks quickly? A guy on 4channel dot org slash kay slash haitch gee slash claimed that reload speed is “an acknowledged Glock weakness”, and I’m pretty sure that invalidates what the literal world champ says.

>>64006883
My guy, his manual dexterity doesn't mean he didn't say something wack before or will again. I see that you watch him; I do too and that's how I know sometimes he says shit that's dumb

daily reminder that the only military on earth that uses the Smith and Wesson “military and police” pistol is Iraq

>>64006897
Why do you keep saying “my guy” like a nigger?

>>64006863
>>64006873
Ben also said 226's have shitty magwells and he reloads those at virtually the same speed. He's just good at it because he's world class.

>>64006897
I don't see him have any issue reload, it's basically stock

you see, he looks down at his gun to reload. unlike some people CALEB GIDDINGS

>>64005494
>This was a great general and he single handedly killed it
You queers project onto me your own grandiose perceptions, top kek

>>64006858
They keep describing me like some kind of anime villain, but there's really nothing here to hype about ^~^

>don't give her attention
>she mass replies to every conversation with her unsolicited uneducated opinion
>give her attention, albeit negative
>she troons out harder

>Navy SEALs
Use Glocks
>Rangers
Glock
>Delta
Glock
>CIA SAD
Glock
>MARSOC
Glock
>Secret Service
Glock
>FBI, ATF, DEA
Glock
>Special Air Service
Glock
>Special Boat Service
Glock
>Swiss Armed Forces/Special Forces Command
Glock
>GIGN
Glock
>France, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Austria, United Kingdom, Norway, Czech Republic, Finland, Israel, Netherlands, New Zealand, Sweden
Glock
>Russian FSB
Glock
>German Kampfschwimmers
Glock
>Turkish Special Forces
Glock
>Vatican City
Glock

>guy on 4chan
UGHHHHH, I’M SO MUCH MORE ENLIGHTENED THAN ALL OF THE ABOVE, AND LET ME TELL YOU, RELOADING A GLOCK IS NIGH IMPOSSIBLE BECAUSE THE COEFFICIENT OF FRICTION ON POLYMER IS JUST TOO HIGH

>>64006863
>>64006873
>>64006883
>>64006892
>>64006909
Actual retards. Competitive shooters on his level all have differing opinions on which platforms they prefer, and they can't all be objectively correct

>>64006919
How are you this sensitive?

>>64006929
the given reason for the glock being bad is polymer on polymer, which makes no fucking sense when the mags drop free from a button press

Christian, no!

>>64006931
he probably has that as a copy pasta and repurposed it for this

>>64006919
Kek– well observed, anon. But the P226 is still pretty cool IMO

>>64006913
>her
>she
>troon
What makes you think I'll fold under those insults when they didn't even work on PP anon?

>>64006945
>I'm calm, look at this calm reaction image!
lol

>>64006935
ARGHHHHH, HOW COULD THE 12X AREA CHAMP, NATIONALS CHAMP, AND WORLD CHAMP CHRISTIAN SAILER LIKE GLOCKS???

DOESN’T HE REALIZE THAT *MY* PREFERRED POLYMER STRIKER GUN IS CLEARLY SUPERIOR? HOW CAN WORLD CHAMPION SHOOTERS DO THIS TO ME???

>>64006931
I accept your concession.

>>64006708
If you don't have access to anything but FMJ. Other than that 9mm all the way. Good job not wanting to buy a cucked gun. That shit is a humiliation ritual.

>>64006708
1911s are great in 9mm, 10mm, 45acp, and 38 Super. It all depends on what you're looking for.

If you already have 9mm, I'd definitely go with that. It'll be light recoiling, cheap to feed, and all around a good choice.

If you want to maximize energy and ballisticmax, or you just like a punchier gun, 10mm is the way to go. If you don't already have a 45, I think this is the way to go

If you already have 45s, or want it as a suppressor host and making sure you get the most possible energy out of subsonics, 45 is good.

If you're Mexican, get a 38 Super

>>64006970
Is there any truly reliable 9mm 1911? One that will run anything without hiccuping?

>>64006932
But p-mags for any gun do bind pretty bad if you go in at some angles and they're kinda chunky. That and the lower cap is why everyone was excited for the mec-gar ones. Is that controversial now?

>>64006957
NTA, but it's odd that you included Turkish spec ops and New Zealand [fake and gay country]. And doesn't the Secret Service use some flavour of Sig? Also, fuck the ATF– their only "combat" experience is executing unarmed women, children and dogs

>>64006950
You got me, anon. I'm actually amused to the point of chuckling at your insane theories about and "character deconstruction" of me

>>64006971
yes, plenty. My Wilson Combat Sentinel went 3k rounds before it's first malfunction when I limp wristed it

>>64006954
>>64006935
Holy shit, he's actually having a melty

>>64006975
Turkish spec ops have been involved in proxy wars with Russia for a decade, they’re actually operator-tier for durkadurks. New Zealand is indeed a non-country, though.

>doesnt the secret service use Sigs?
No

>>64006932
nobody said glocks were bad faggot. they said sometimes stoeger talks out of his ass. glocks being easy to reload is just a load of bullshit. glocks are not bad, but there's nothing in the design that makes their reloads easy compared to the m&p or rxm, or even psa daggers. those guns do have shit to make reloading quicker even if you're not good

>>64006977
>discontinued
reee

>>64006974
>why everyone
over estimation of people's interest

1 or 2 extra rounds in a magazine don't matter. MBX has made steel glock mags for a while now too, with enhanced capacity as well.

>>64007003
>agent on the verge of drawing
He looks familiar

>>64006980
Yeah, still not hearing any argument as to why the opinions of literal world champion shooters matter less than yours. You’re a faggot dilettante and you should respect your betters. Thanks!

>>64007025
>Hey bro, what was that funny thing you said you were going to do in minecraft? Say it into my phone so I can laugh about it later, haha. Speak clearly, and state your full legal name.

>>64006802
My hands are on the smaller side but it’s still bad since I don’t need a huge beaver tail to protect my hand and it’s reportedly sharp and digs into flesh
Apart from some revolvers I try to hold high
> DA decocker concept
Da is wonderful since it’s much harder to have an AD when the hammer has to travel up and down

I would not dare to preform the draw AIWB and failure drill drill with an SA because one goof and I shoot down my pants. I keep fingers off trigger but I don’t want 3lbs between disaster

Maybe I should have bought a 226/228 as I’ve almost totally shifted to DA/SA.
>>64006786
Ok
I did notice when running buffalo bore on the bulldog, where I gave up on fancy grips and zenned it I did much better than usual…

Until I got exited over getting three monoholes in a row and started laughing and opened groups

>>64007013
I would let mine go for like 2800-3000, with RCR on it

like any higher than mid tier 1911 is 100% good to go in 9mm, people have figured it out by now. In the less than 1000 dollar range I would say it's iffy, but 9mm 1911s are very popular and I bet they've figured it out. 9mm 1911s have a advantage that they use a ramped barrel so the frame doesn't need a perfect feed ramp cut, the ramp is built into the barrel. paired with good 9mm magazines, there's a few different styles that suit different guns better in how they hold the 9mm round in the large .45 mag body.

Tripp Research
Wilson Combat
mags are good, I haven't tried others

>>64007027
You made an appeal to authority and then starting hysteric posting like a woman. Nobody needs to take you seriously

>>64006971
Of course. It's probably the easiest caliber to get a reliable 1911 in after 45. Most mid range and better 1911 manufacturers these days have it figured out.

Get a Dan Wesson and it's nearly 100% assured to be reliable without fuckery. They make an optics ready Specialist in 9mm.

>>64007038
also above 1k owning a 1911 in 9mm gets complicated since 2011s (double stack, detachable grip frame) since decent 2011s in 9mm are in the 2k range.

https://youtu.be/VHhISjNsBtQ

The Kimber NEXT GEN 1911, external extractor, optic cut, it looks really good feature wise and he shot 1000 rounds with next to zero issues

it took me a while to find this video because I realized I was searching "Bumble Shartsman" instead of humble marksman

>>64007051
>muh appeal to authority
lol, you expect a formal debate on 4chan? You must be one of those “SOURCE???” posters.

Don’t worry dude, maybe in 20 years when the Iraqi government scrapes together two dozen riyals, they’ll put in an order for some M&P 2.0s.

>>64007064
I don't expect formal debate. I do expect you to be able to talk your own shit instead of sucking off a guy who doesn't know you exit

>>64007071
not him but I met Ben Stoeger at the midget wrestling event at the secrets cabaret club

>>64007051
Yo, can I get a double blind, peer-reviewed study on the failure rates on plastic Glock sights versus pot metal M&P ones? And then can I get a cost benefit analysis on aftermarket night sights for civilian use? Do you have some statistical knowledge of the binding rate of Glock magazines versus other guns’ magazines? Can I see the data for deflection rates of negative thirty to positive thirty degrees when inserting a mag with steel feed lips on polymer, aluminum, and steel frames? Could I see the study the Journal of American Applied Physics published on the incidence of limp wristing in Glocks versus other polymer guns, and a mechanistic account of why the difference exists, if indeed it does?

Of course, if you don’t have this data, we can defer to the authorities.

It's about that time once again. Don't stay up too late, frens

>>64007032
Kek

>>64007037
>Da is wonderful since it’s much harder to have an AD
Unless there's a firing pin shield on DA, you can still set it off by accidentally thumbing the hammer AFAIAA
>don’t want 3lbs between disaster
Considering there's no thumb safety at all, I don't blame you
>Maybe I should have bought a 226/228
It would be a lot easier to shoot with because of the weight even one-handed. Install TFX Pro sights and you'll perform even better

>>64007082
I can get the callout when the original premise is "Sometimes Ben says shit that doesn't make sense, here's an example". You can't use Ben to vouch for Ben's opinion, it's like when retards try to prove a Bible story is real with a Bible verse

>>64007088
So, you don't have these studies, then? How do you want to proceed, if you don't have any data, and you've attempted to disallow all authorities from weighing in?

You won't listen to World Champion Ben Stoeger, you won't listen to World Champion Christian Sailer, you won't listen to the requisitions departments of the Navy SEALs, the CIA, Delta, SAS, SBS, GIGN. Who will you listen to? What will you listen to?

What would it take to convince you? Or are you arguing in bad faith?

>>64007106
What are you talking about? What question do you think you're answering?

>>64007106
Every single organization in the world could use Glock as it's service pistol but that is not proof that Ben Stoeger doesn't just say dumb shit nor is it proof that Glock is a better mechanically designed pistol than the M&P 2.0. Service pistols are chosen for a variety of reasons both practical and political. Individuals choose their weapon for many reasons which are not based in objective performance, such as aesthetics or familiarity. A deeply flawed pistol can be chosen while one with superior performance can be passed over. That's why your proof is irrelevant

Glocks are lighter than M&Ps, shoot better than M&Ps, are more reliable than M&Ps, have better finishes than M&Ps, have a better aftermarket than M&Ps, are more accurate than M&Ps, are used by numerous special forces groups (unlike M&Ps), and have won IPSC World Shooters (unlike M&Ps).

M&Ps have metal sights, though (if you don't count the Glocks with factory night sights).

>>64007086
All PPK except ones during the invasion of Germany proper and they started putting together half made guns a SW (defective) have internal hammer blocks. Unless the finger yanks the trigger, hammer is physically blocked. Safety being activated physically locks a firing pin in place so short of the gun being set on fire.

also it’s 10 lbs DA but very smooth I can count on not shooting myself in draw and just learn to shoot DA

>>64007161
So, to sum up, it's your position that Glocks are somehow "deeply flawed" while M&Ps are not, and that every requisitions branch in the West has somehow missed this? And that you understand shooting dynamics better than World Champion shooters?

What about the fact that Glocks are lighter and more accurate than M&Ps? Are we allowed to weigh the guns, or is the scale an appeal to authority too?

>>64007183
No, my position was listing users of Glock isn't proof of anything and I explained that choice of weapon on an organizational or personal level is influenced by a lot of things not related to performance. Are you ESL? I thought that was written pretty plainly

>>64007189
Again, I'm asking you to enumerate exactly what you want as "proof". You keep asking for this "proof", despite the fact that you also claimed earlier that you didn't want a formal debate. So, what is "proof" in your mind? Is a scale objective enough "proof" for you? A Glock is two ounces lighter than the equivalent M&P. Does that constitute proof? If I claim that Glocks have a lower bore axis than M&Ps, will that be proof? If I claim that Glock's DLC finish over nitrocarburized steel is better than Smith's just nitrocarburized steel, will that be proof? If I claim that Glock's barrel is more accurate than Smith's, will that be proof?

If none of the above count, and you won't listen to the opinions of world champion shooters, and you won't listen to the mountain of special forces groups, just what exactly will convince you? Are you sure you're not arguing in bad faith? Because right now you're just doing a lot of name calling.

What proof do you want?

night friends, love you :)

>>64007201
There are several things you've listed that are largely preference, such as weight and bore axis. As far as the slide finishes go, M&P's melonite is basically the same as DLC after they acquired Ionbond's process some years back (but walther has the best finish and that's irrelevant). I would argue that the bench rest accuracy of virtually any quality modern handgun is not really relevant because nobody is skilled enough to take advantage, BUT glock barrels still have shit support and blowout 40 cals and 10mm to this day.

>>64007231
Weight is absolutely not a preference, and lower is better for a duty gun. If you want a heavy gun, you can just glue a rock to it. Curious how nobody does so. That you try to weasel your way out of an objective fact (that Glocks are lighter) is laughable. It’s also ironic that you yourself brought up subjective things like “ergos”, and now you complain about it. It’s clear you’re just operating in bad faith. You wanted plain, objective proof, and upon receiving it, you try to wriggle away like a worm.

On the finish comments, you’re once again peddling plain untruths. High end guns like Atlases use DLC. Staccatos and Fowlers and Infinitys and Nighthawks use DLC. There’s a reason why every upscale 2011 is DLC or hard chrome. Smith’s nitrocarburization is nothing like DLC. It’s nothing like it. It’s not even a PVD process. It’s just regular nitrocarb with a tradename, exactly like Glock’s Tennifer (without the DLC on top), or Springfield’s Melonite.

Also, the “Glock barrel exploding” meme hasn’t been a thing for two decades, and the fact that you repeat it as gospel is indicative that you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. What’s next, .22LR rattling around in the animal’s skull?

In sum, you’re mad that no relevant special forces group uses your gun, and you’re mad that no competitive shooter has ever won a Nats or World Shoot with your gun. It’s clear to everyone else that you’re a midwit faggot arguing in bad faith with his betters. Night night!

>>64007259
>Glocksplosions have been a thing for 2 decades
Bro they're still happening. Hell, they're happening in 9mm now because rounds are getting spicier again. Dude just last month had one go off in his class and he had a video about it. Fuckin new factory ammo too.

>>64007259
Are you really so ignorant? https://youtu.be/HaApVoP87fQ?si=PGgA0KyXGx7spqk8

>>64007259
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEM8llvlQtQ
This dude has several videos on glocks continuing to blow up. Where the fuck have you been?

>>64007259
>>64007276
>Dude just last month had one go off in his class and he had a video about it
This one right?
https://youtu.be/k4eRUK9xzWc?si=XWxV-vAGdZuvkavW
love the level of cope in the comment section.

I do be mad not a single western specops unit is using G45s MOS threaded, but only 19s and 17s. I've been told 45s would be all the rage soon enough, I picked one, but they aren't issued still. I can't LARP, i'm sad. That is all.

>>64006708
.45ACP and thank me later.

Okay, so I'm ordering some new magazines for my Px4 to test the failure to go into battery. When that doesn't work, what else should I look at? I've cleaned and lubed the everloving shit out of every interfacing part and magazine. Only other thing I see is old forum posts talking about the frame feed ramp being polymer-coated steel whereas mine is fully exposed

>>64007381
You kinda screwed yourself by not getting a G47 so you can easily swap slides between it and a 19. Pick up a 49 so you can get the same modularity and pretend you are border patrol until someone adopts the G45 lol

I’m looking at putting together a custom 7in long slide 1911 in 10mm here soon.
What are the best carbon steel frames? I tried looking for ones with extended dust covers but I couldn’t find any.

>>64006708
9mm 1911s are a joy to shoot and ammo is half the price, so if it's primarily a range toy there is zero reason to get anything but a 9mm. 1911s are not great as defensive guns since they're very large for the capacity, but if it's a defensive gun, get a 10mm not a .45acp model, that way it's at least worth having such a big gun since it's also very potent.

>>64004597
I have an XD. It is "fine" for plinking at the range. For Carry, I would go with something else.

>>64004639
>XD mod 4
Just like an HK USP. USP compact, P2000, and P30

>>64006802
Being a person that carries DA/SA guns, if you practice with that P226, the DA first trigger pull wouldn't matter. Just a few range trips and you will get used to it. And I would not recommend carrying any DA/SA gun cocked and locked with out a safety. Those SA triggers don't take much to go off.

>>64006839
Wear a hat, groid.

Glad I went shooting yesterday, looks like I dodged another groundhog day scenario with the npc fags.

>>64006168
>sprung so heavily that anything that's basically glorified .40 S&W, like armscor, is a complete no-go
Based

>>64006708
>10 rd state

Try getting the gun that is shaped like real estate near white people, in a state mostly populated and ran by white people.

Also, stop voting blue. That's a good caliber.

If you still choose to remain in Wakanda, get .45. If the capacity is limited then simply get the big monster that stops the locals that are most probably strung out on bath salts and don't flinch from 9mm before they can get near you to shank you. I'd just get something that is akin to the old HK MK 23 with the silencer. There's probably much better stuff floating around by now, so I'd just use the 23 as a template and shop around.

do NOT look up an ethnicity map
do NOT look up a map of red vs blue states
do NOT look up the ethnicity breakdown of states with 10 round mag restrictions
do NOT compare this data

If you do the above you are a triple gay libtard demon rat and hate Israel too

>>64008005
I was under the impression that someone who doesn’t flinch from a 9mm isn’t going to flinch from a .45 either, so you might as well take the softer shooting easier follow up shots option

Mixup98 is going on hiatus. Every day, we lose more of the original "GunTube"

>>64007173
>Safety being activated physically locks a firing pin
Oh, so this is both a decocker and a safety. That explains why there's a red caution mark

>>64007509
>Px4
>agit slop image
Pottery

>>64007850
>you will get used to it
But the P226 has a thumb safety, why not just condition 01 it

>>64007855
You can lead a Berettroon to water but you can't make xer/xim drink

>>64006919
>glocks are cheaper, that makes them superior! Especially to retards like me that will overpay for them!
You played yourself.

So much for having a good end of the thread, guy's legit terminally online.

>>64008083
>But the P226 has a manual safety
No, it fucking doesn’t you useless fuck.

Freshly baked

>>64008101
>>64008101
>>64008101

Freshly baked

>>64008098
>it fucking doesn’t
Welp, still the best pistol of its class

>>64006919
based

>>64006919
Glocks are guns for people who dont care about guns and just need something that goes bang

Any love for folding carbines?

>>64010375
wtf

>>64008083
Kill yourself.

Fuck you, Berettroon

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