Thread 64003897

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>Another spam thread
Its just those hours I guess.

>>64003897 (OP)
Great, can’t wait to see footage of F-16s and iris-t slms ACK’ing the judeo-bug meme jet.

>no sauce
>reportedly
>considering
>potential
>unconfirmed
OP, on the other hand...

Su-75bros...when will our case come...?

>>64003908
>some old third hand F-16

They could barely intercept Shaheed drone without blowing up

Lol. Lmao even. Let's assume China would even seriously consider this. The pricetag would be small, just all of Manchuria please. Oh you want more? Everything East of the Urals.

>>64003941
and chinese meme weapons are worse than that

>>64003897 (OP)
If Russia wasn't LARPing as hard as a superpower and wasn't so fucking racist, they could have leveraged their alliance with China to their fullest extent a decade ago. They could have collaborated with China for a lot of projects or bought a ton of weapon systems from China. But nope, Russia STONK, so everything has to be fully domestic and they couldn't ever be caught working together with those filthy asiatics. Russia wasted billions into developing the SU-57 and the SU-75 with nothing to show for it, whereas if they had dumped the same money and expertise into the FC-31 program back in 2010, they could have a few squadrons of J-35s before 2022.

Pakistan is a good example, they know that they aren't a superpower and can't match up to India, so they let China handle all the high end shit while they work on the domestic capabilities on the low-mid end where they know they are capable of.

The best example of this could be seen in the start of the Ukraine invasion, where Ukraine was using tons of DJI drones for recon and spotting, while Russia was mainly using their uber shitty domestic drones. After 2022, Russia can't buy chinese hardware even if they begged them to, due to sanctions, so they are stuck with nork and Iran hardware lol.

>>64003961
You're not thinking like a zigger, my man. That shit wasn't "wasted" to them, but went into the very important corruption that keeps the zigger world turning.

Furthermore, I consider TZD to be a moral imperative.

>>64003908
anon, a j-10 with pl-15s have it all over f-16s and any missile they can sling. underestimating capabilities leads to losses like india did.

as for op, it'd be a good buy for russia.

>>64003961
>After 2022, Russia can't buy chinese hardware
really now?

>>64003961
To add on, a decade ago Russia could have offered China a lot of technical expertise and knowledge that China lacked, especially in terms of engines. Today, all that Russia can offer is money and resources, so joint projects aren't gonna to be as attractive and not gonna to be in Russia's favor.

Russia had an alliance with a industrial superpower and they utterly squandered it. Russia could have bought up a shit ton of Chinese hardware before the 2022 invasion to plug up their known deficiencies in electronic warfare, drones and precision munitions and more, but they just didn't because they thought that invading the 2nd largest country in Europe was gonna to be a cakewalk and though that they didn't need to stock up.
>>64003988
Not in large amounts and nowhere near high end stuff. You're never gonna see any J-35 flying to Russia anytime soon, unless Putin offers up outer Manchuria in exchange. China is mainly sending over low end stuff like FPV drones and some shells and in low amounts too, and non-combat equipment like machine tools. If China actually sends over a large amount of high end military hardware, a mountain of sanctions are gonna fall on them. They are not risking the European and American market for fucking Russia.

it's embarrassing for Russia, but it would be a sensible choice. I wouldn't be surprised if the J-35 is way better than the Su-57. can probably be built faster too.

>>64003897 (OP)
>twitter
>unsourced rumor
>unconfirmed
Twitter rangeban when?

>>64004041
i wouldn't consider it objectively embarrassing. it's much like anyone buying the f-35 from america.

china and america are the only two nations that can make these things in large enough numbers.

>>64004104
It's very much objectively embarassing when you're pretending to be a global superpower.
And embarassment is catastrophic when you know your only power comes from the perception of your power.

>>64004041
At least chinkoid fighters are designed from better principles (copying the west) than su-57's maneuverability meme.

The only good Su-57 is the ZSU-57.

>>64004013
I wonder if the Chinese poached Russian MIC engineers to work on their thing. It's not like those slav engineers are doing anything exciting over there except having their offices droned inexplicably by some adversary hundreds of miles away, might as well move to greener pastures.

>>64003897 (OP)
How do the chinks feel about selling the russians their gear to be lost in a backwater slav war and studied by the US?
How do the chinks feel about further damaging relations with their much needed trading partners?
I suspect that despite what the russians are considering the chinks might be considering that a retarded, self destructive idea with 0 gain

>>64004123
Russia's delusional of being a superpower has fucked them over hard. If they accepted their regional power satus and actually worked with what they had, instead of larping and trying to match America and China 1:1, they would be in much better state.

>>64003897 (OP)
Oh no ... Anyways.

>>64004139
>russia would be better off if it wasn't acting like russia
In other news, fire wouldn't burn if it wasn't so hot.

Russia will pay with IOUs giving Chinkies some more leverage.

>>64004168
At this point, China is taking the far east is all but guaranteed

>>64004168
Russia won't pay anything because China isn't going to give them a (very high) chance of losing their state secrets into ukranian and then NATO hands
Might as well be saying Ukraine is looking to aquire B2s, I'm sure they would be but that isn't a realistic conversation to be had unless you're some coping failed state grasping at straws and knowing it means nothing

>>64004139
Russia could arguably have matched China before 2022. Now? Lmao.

>>64004193
Russia would have lost badly on numbers and industrial production alone lol. The Russian navy is a joke compared to China, same for their air force. The only thing that Russia has above China before 2022 is their heavy armor, and we have seen how those fare vs drones. I would say that Russia overall became weaker than China somewhere around 2010.

>>64004183
>>64004138
Yeah, China isn't selling them anything more than drones until the Ukraine war is actually settled. So another decade.

>>64004123
>It's very much objectively embarassing when you're pretending to be a global superpower.
that is true, though i recall putin saying that the us was the sole superpower back in the early 2000s; i don't think they believe that they are one anymore, no matter the russian bravado you often see (along with the fearmongering by european politicians). realistically, they're a regional power that inherited a lot of assets from a superpower.

that aside, it'd be interesting if they manage to purchase a decent quantity of these. russia would likely be able to operate in ways they haven't been able to due to the sam threat.

>>64004138
china is already working on a generation of birds beyond these, so i don't think it matters too much for china.

china won't care about america's opinion, and europe is europe.

>>64004237
So the US will hand out to F-35s and 22s to a nation liable to lose them to their existential enemies?
No, of course they fucking wont, use your god damn head anon

>>64004237
Europe and America are China's biggest and 2nd biggest export market. There's a reason why they aren't already flooding Russia with weapons openly, but have to resort to smuggling low amounts of low end hardware. Do you think Putin likes to beg NK and Iran for aid? Putin probably offered to suck Xi's dick for war changing amounts of equipment 3 years ago.

>>64004237
Moronic post

>>64004193
lmao
Russia matched China before the 90's

>>64004193
China was african tier in the 1990s.

>>64004183
Idk, chinks are selling to Pakistan which is a literal US ally occasionally, depending on the week

>>64004281
And you think Ruganda was better during one of their worst times in modern history?
Do you have any single idea what snow nigger life was like in the 90s? At least the yellow bug people were on the upswing

>>64003897 (OP)
>according to russia

Then you would just directly quote russia. If it's according to russia how can it be unconfirmed?

>>64004290
And what are they going to sell to Pakistan?
Also Pakistan was a cold war ally, like half a century ago now

>>64004297
russian media are not a reliable nor credible source

>>64003988
Chinks badly want to max out their MIC and export flanker clones and what not to Russia, but they can't because of Western sanctions.

>>64003985
>once again implying that the rafales were shot down specifically by the chink jet in pakistan's arsenal
yes, that has been your favourite narrative, hasn't it?

>>64003985
>leads to losses like india
>one plane
oh the humanity

>>64004237
>china is already working on a generation of birds beyond these
those still wouldn't be 5th gen and still wouldn't be on par with western 5th gens, so kind of a moot point.
>china won't care about america's opinion
then why are you here shilling for them? seems to me they care a lot.
>and europe is europe
will sanction the fuck out of you if you sell J35's to their sworn enemies, yes.

it smells like curry in here. Or should I say "caucasian?"

>>64005264
You're back to cry about dogs and mutts again eh chinkoid?

>>64004291
I'm talking about their military, soviets still had a huge stockpile without the 20 years of siberian weathering

>see "homoerotic" portrait
>immediate crying

>

>>64003897 (OP)
RD-93MA engines can probably be used if they do choose to buy export spec J-35AE.

>>64004193
>Russia could arguably have matched China before 2022
That's wildly optimistic but there certainly was a time.
Maybe for a while in the late 90s?

I suppose Russia might still have an edge in engines but that's probably about it.

>>64004463
>those still wouldn't be 5th gen and still wouldn't be on par with western 5th gens, so kind of a moot point.
No it's not, you're just being contrarian because you have to disagree with every post about China that isn't a two-minute-hate screed.

The point is that J-35s aren't China's most modern fighter so them falling into western hands isn't the end of the world for them because J-35s are a generation behind their current development.

It doesn't matter how either of those compare to the west, what matters is that China has a couple of generations of its own craft and J-35s are a whole generation behind their current projects.

>>64003985
Loss

>>64003897 (OP)
i think china will never agree to sell Russia jets. They want Russia weak. They want to be far superior to Russia and have a stealth advantage. These guys aren't friends. They're friends of convenience, and the moment the West becomes more friendly to China (likely if we ever build up our semiconductor industry so we don't rely on Taiwan) they'll just dump Russia

>>64003897 (OP)
>Chinks give Russia J-35s
>Immediately fall into the hands of NATO

>>64005798
>I suppose Russia might still have an edge in engines but that's probably about it.
Not jet engines anymore with how China produces over three hundred WS-10 every year.
The real edge is with heavy lift transport helicopters for Russia.

>>64005928
>Not jet engines anymore with how China produces over three hundred WS-10 every year.

>>64005840
>Chinese academics are laying the groundwork to make claims on Russian territory
I'm going to install CK3.
I picked it up in a Humble monthly or something and never got around to checking it out.
CK2 was bad for my 'tism but maybe this time will be different.
I hope my family arms can still be made in it.

>>64005840
it's going to be one nasty ffa when putin finally croaks

>>64005840
Russia took 1/6th of Chinese land they are weak, now it's their turn to do it back.

>>64005264
>>64005444
embarrassing schizo behaviour

>>64005824
i pretty much agree with this. I think China indeed wants those lost land back but they also don't want to have a total war with Russia because they are much more about trades and business than Russia. Russia on the other hand will be locked out of the race for another decade and by that time China will be much more ahead of them so Russians will give up all the copium of taking advantages of China or something like that.

>>64005974
>another decade
try a century
that's ww2 germany level gangbang because no one in eu would want to repeat this shit in a mere decade

>>64005840
Also remember what Russians did to ethnic minorties are basically a colonization. They built nothing out of there but only millitary missiles launchers. I think Chinese won't be retarded to think Russians won't nuke them because Russians don't take any land east of siberains as their home. It's a colony for them on the monogloids. So my assumption is China will keep Russia weak as possible as they can but not trying to go crazy with Russia because Russia is really crazy and out of their mind. They are kinda an evil regime just like the US. Which one is worse? I really don't know.

>>64003961
>Russia
>Racist
Looks like someone fell for the "based russia" memes.

>>64005989
that's won't be. Because by that time we probably don't even exist. I think we will live in a one world government by that time.

>>64005810
>no it's not
yes it is, their current aircraft are barely stealth aircraft and they're hardly 5th gen.
>you're just being contrarian
i am being honest while you people obsess over easthetics
>it looks like a stealth plane!

>and j-35's are a whole generation behind their current projects
nobody gives a shit if they're the height of chinese aircraft development anon, i don't think you understand why this would be a problem
>aircraft gets shot down
>get accurate data on all sorts of internals
>or defector sends one to the US because russia's a shithole
>the US gets complete fucking information on every single system onboard the J35 including radar signature and radar emissions
do you have any idea how dangerous that shit is to give to your enemies in a modern conflict? fact is the j-35 is freshly in use and will concievably be used in a conflict with the US, revealing all it's secrets and emission profiles because you had to sell it to some retarded gopniks up north is an incredibly bad idea anon, its a big part of why turkey got booted out of the F35 program because they bought S-400, because S-400's would be free to get constant data on F35's in turkey's own airspace and someone could easily forward that to russia.

>>64006002
>yes it is, their current aircraft are barely stealth aircraft and they're hardly 5th gen.

Stealth or not, you don't have primary source to prove your arugment. Besides seething and coping, you are speaking nonsenese.

China export those rare earth to the US and US can't even produce them. If US jets are the only stealthy jets then why would China help US to kill themselves?

>>64006018
>i don't have a primary source to argue the fact that giving sensitive data that your enemy can use to make detecting and jamming your jets waaaay easier is a bad idea
i don't need a primary source because it's common sense, this is an incredibly new jet and one that china will rely heavily on in the coming years, sending the US a physical PDF file telling you exactly how to identify it as a track and then quickly annihalate it, or fuck with it's sensor suite using jamming equipment is a really really bad idea
>but it might not happen
maybe not, but the chinese govt would be smart not to gamble with maybe's of this significance.

>>64006018
>and the US can't even produce them
yeah, they can, they just let poors do it instead because that's cheaper.
now that they're becoming more strategically significant and xi is becoming unreliable they'll move them to another poor country instead.

>>64006037
>and xi is becoming unreliable

Who was the one that started a global trade war by tariffing literally every country on the planet?

>>64006063
not us, because i'm not american, but trump wasn't the one constantly threatening a war for no reason.
xi could've just shut the fuck up with his wolfwarrior politics, and stopped threatening to take over a sovereign country, and all would be well, china would've been 1000 times better off economically if he just stayed quiet and let china prosper and make money.

>>64005994
>Russians don't take any land east of siberains as their home
They care about Vladivostok. A lot.
They therefore have to care about a route to Vladivostok.
Beyond that, I agree somewhat with your point but you're mad if you think losing the above things would be taken lightly.
It's hard to see how Russia could keep Vladivostok without needing to keep everything else in the region as well.
Maybe they could cede Kamchatka but I doubt even that, there's probably some mineral resources that matter.

Wait, I know there is. The whole Sea of Okhotsk has gas and oil which half the thing about the Kuril islands.
So no, there's no part of Russia that they can afford to part with.

>>64006002
>yes it is, their current aircraft are barely stealth aircraft and they're hardly 5th gen.
Irrelevant.
We're not comparing it to western aircraft, we're comparing it to Chinese successors.
Don't be so mind broken that you can't have a serious conversation about Chinese technology.

>nobody gives a shit if they're the height of chinese aircraft development anon
China does. This is a conversation about Chinese attitudes to potential western capture of a Russian J-35.
The opinion that matters in that context is the Chinese attitude.
Can you understand modelling the response of another viewpoint?
This is basic social interaction, most people can do this.

>do you have any idea how dangerous that shit is to give to your enemies in a modern conflict?
It's based on US tech so the US won't have any surprises there and they've already gotten good looks at them thanks to Nancy Pelosi's summer holiday.
Only China's current developments have any secrets from the west because they're the only ones not based on publicly released western airframes.

>>64006080
Do you know what Vladivostok means in english? It's conquer the east. Also taken from China. You think China nowadays will forgive what Russia did to them 200 years ago?

>>64006096
i dont think China would give them the weapons. They have so many historical conflicts and it's not even kidding Russia harmed China more than entire west.

>>64003961
>Russia STONK, so everything has to be fully domestic
My brown friend, russia went on a foreign spending spree after 2008 during yet another army reform. From Iveco's LMVs to Thales thermals to fuckin' helicopter carriers from France.

>>64003961
>After 2022, Russia can't buy chinese hardware
Why do you lie? Chinks sells everything to russians

>>64004136
Oh the real story is much, MUCH funnier.
They poached ukrainian aerospace engineers.
In fact ukraine and china were so close before the war that ukraine was practically china's modernization arsenal.
I mean shit, where do you think the type 001 liaoning came from?

>>64006096
>Only China's current developments have any secrets from the west because they're the only ones not based on publicly released western airframes.

Kek, still seething about China invented world's first 6th gen jets?

>>64003961
my brown friend, russia squandered *trillions of USD* of oil & gas revenue through corruption and bullshit over the 25 years of putin's rule, the issue isn't racism or larp, they had the money and resources, they've just mismanaged them

>>64006127
no, because they aren't born with commerical genetics. Russians, like mongols, are the same. Normadic people can never adapt into a liberal and captialist society because it's against their culture and genetics. They are just bad at them. They gave up the soviet system tho. Which is a big mistake imo.

>>64006102
This is getting into reading tealeaves, but at the eulogy for jiang zemin (arguably the singular reason why anthropomorphic pigs aren't a thing because he was the paramount leader of china throughout the 90s and early 2000s), one of the painpoints that xi levied on his legacy was signing away claims to outer manchuria.
This, of course, implies that the current chinese administration recognizes the legitimacy of those agreements.

>>64006147
that's not working to russians. Russians abandoned the treaty with Qing for many times. China will probably in the future do the russian way to them.

>>64006134
>because they aren't born with commerical genetics
Nah, it's mostly corruption + "steal everything's that's not bolted down" mentality which USSR imposed. With a big dash of lack of commercial sense due to living under communism for 70 years.

>>64006160
Again that's why i said russians aren't like english or french or americans, they will abandon the treaty if they want. They dont have a bussiness bone in them. It's all about mongoloid culture.

>>64006126
>I mean shit, where do you think the type 001 liaoning came from?
>kek, s-still seething about *insert chinkshill fantasy here*
you seem to be the only one upset that people mock your for still parroting that talking point
>BUT IT HAS NO TAAAAAAIL!!!
not a 6th gen, sorry chink.

>>64006186
even your government and milltary is saying it's 6th gen.

>all the cope and retardposting above
It's all so tiresome.

>>64006191
i'm sorry but *chuckles* still not 6th gen though.
and it's compounded by how often you need to shill for it, if you genuinely thought it was scary to the west you wouldn't be waving it over civilian areas for propaganda photoshoots
>oh guys look at this super scary stealth plane that we "caught" on camera while it keeps drifting at low altitude over heavily populated areas
reeks of blowfish behaviour, aka trying to be more threatening than it is.
>>64006202
indeed, it must be very tiresome for these chinkshills to work so hard trying to cement their presence on this website for no gain.

i say we dock their pay, they should've tried harder.

>>64006212
>not 6th gen! how comes China can surpass the numba one in only 30 years?

>>64006216
>NOOOOOO IT'S TAILLESS IT'S TAILLESS IT'S TAILLESS
your screeching doesn't make it so, sorry chinkshill.

truth is it's very obvious that this is just another attempt at an AWACS sniper, cute, but china doesn't have the manufacturing ability to do proper stealth, and the big fuckoff cope standoff missiles are just going to get intercepted before they reach their targets as they're fuckhuge and need a lofted (predictable) trajectory to reach their maximum range.
the reason why china panicked and started flying it over civilian areas and start the narrative that it's a 6th gen was because china was seething that the F47 (an actual 6th gen) was nearing completion.
>ROOK GUISE IS TAILLESS SO 6TH GEN
you're gonna keep not understanding why we're not implessed by your aesthetics because you have a thirdie level understanding of how stealth aircraft work, you believe you can just do some fasceting and boom, looks like a stealth aircraft, so it must be stealthy.

>>64005696
Only the JF-17 used those engines years ago and China replaced it with their own unrelated engine (they aren't allowed to export without authorization of Russia).
>inb4 exporting the airframe without engine
That would require integration with an engine they'll not use instead of their engines that diverged in size and thrust years ago.

>>64004463
>those still wouldn't be 5th gen
They'd be 6th gen

>still wouldn't be on par with western 5th gens
Other than engines (which arguably they solved), in what areas is China inferior? I understand you're probably a Jeet or Burger who's response to the Chinese doing anything better than you is to import ban it, so you're not legally allowed to have a frame of reference.

>>64004260
The reason is they don't want to arm their enemy dumb ass. The money thing is too valuable to euro politicians in particular to jeopardise it over vatnikstan

Changs will, however, sell them generous amounts of dual use components as chang never shy away from profit margins

>>64004281
It still is. Vast majority of the population live way below the poverty line no matter what CCP slopaganda claims. By moving goalposts by redefining the poverty line.

>>64004104
The whole reason behind the F35 program is that it CANT be made by a single country, not even the USA had the scale and funding for a project of such magnitude so they distributed the work amongst their network of allies
If we assume that both China and the Allies got the same bang for their buck in terms of dollars invested (not a safe assumption but it works for the point I'm making) then the fact that F35 had access to significantly more resources during development than the J35 should make it a significantly better plane

>>64004215
They're selling a lot of duel use shit like chips or industrial chemicals that can be used as precursors for explosives

>>64006269
no, they wouldn't be 6th gen either, chinkshill
you already knew that, but you intentionally interpret posts in bad faith because you're a faggot
>i-i understand y-you're a j-jeet or a b-burger
i'm neither, don't know why you threw the jeet thing in there, maybe you're a real chink who has a bloodfeud with them, idk.
all completely pointless words coming from a chinkshill, you're not here in good faith.
>NOOOO IT'S BETTER IT JUST IIIIIS
nope, sorry, it's not.

>>64006300
implessive insight Bill, but I'm not intelested in what youl people lealn in youl amelican schools

>>64004228
as I understand it Putin does not believe that Russia is a superpower currently, but this is because it was unjustly stripped of its empire following the collapse of the Soviet Union and it is his mystical destiny to restore Russia to its rightful place amongst the front row of nations by destroying the west - hence this path of seemingly pointless escalation that he has locked himself into

>>64005994
>US
>evil regime
This is your brain on redditvand xitter slopaganda. Tell us chink, if US is so evil then why so many want to be their friends. While majority avoid vatnikstan and changistan like the plague. Not to get colonized and debt trapped

>>64006300
How long have you been predicting the coming collapse of China, Gordon? 20 years?

Any day now, I'm sure.

>>64004433
damn, so the F35 is already at 1/4 of the F16 count
you crazy bastards actually mass produced a stealth fighter

>>64006327
>if US is so evil then why so many want to be their friends
They...don't.
As a matter of fact, american allies basing their friendship on benefits is the entire reason why donny the kidfucker started the whole tariffs thing. His words, not mine.

>>64006329
>randomly projects insecurely about something he wasn't saying
most of china is still a shithole and there is no amount of seething that will change this.

>>64006340
they do, actually.
t. european
most euros are angry at the orange retard, not the people.

ultimately pathetic face-saving culture and slave-master mentality isn't as as good a sell as mutual trade and diplomacy, europe re-arming and refurbishing their MIC does nothing to change that.

>>64005840
The artic thing is worth pointing out for anyone who isn't aware
China is very, VERY interested in aqcuiring territory in or near the Arctic for various reasons and Russia is clearly emerging as the weakest arctic power both in terms of military capability and international support
When the chinks make a play for Russian land they may well claim to be avenging the century of humiliation but the real reason will be access to the Arctic

>>64006353
>ultimately pathetic face-saving culture and slave-master mentality isn't as as good a sell as mutual trade and diplomacy
Right, right.
Tell me, what does the US actually trade in?
To quote the motives of the tariffs, the united states was at a massive trade deficits in terms of goods against the rest of the world.
I guess the easier way to phrase this is that the US was paying everyone for a lot of stuff...but they weren't selling a lot of it.
So exactly what is this trade relationship that you speak of? What is the US actually trading in, where they buy a lot of stuff and sell...what? What do they sell?
Because if you're not selling anything, that's not a trade relationship, that's a market access. The US is the world's piggy bank, not an actual trade partner.

>>64006380
To elaborate on this: the US WAS the world's premier industrial base at one point, and they specifically chose to de-industrialize.
They chose to abuse the reserve status of the US dollar, and now the US is a money printing apparatus using "investments" distributed through "trickle down schemes" that effectively use government funding to prop up a private sector that no longer produces industrial goods and relies on service as an economy, while industrial goods are imported from abroad.
Aside from the half-court strategic tennis implications of having your entire fucking supply chain based in CHYNA, if the US has specifically refused to make mutual trade available by kill its own goods output, is that the kind of "culture" and "mentality" that you want in your trade partners? A nation of deadbeats that threw away their factories and chose the magic button that lets them print money on demand?

>>64006380
>US hate trading
Americans don't require that genes too. Most americans were from low class europeans and the last thing they know is trade. That's why you see mutts failed to trade. They aren't like russians tho. Russians just don't value trades whereas mutts don't know trades. They would rather do the service jobs than living in a factory and assembly.

>>64006408
My point is right. Mutts don't require trade talents. Their system is either feudal or individualist which hates communicating with others. They would live on social wellfare than actual to invent a product and sell. Also they would much more sell it in the US rather than the globe because they don't care about the outside world.

>>64006411
also in mutt concept, trading is like sending your factory overseas like in cheap labour market like China and resell it 10 times higher back to the country. It's literally how they think about trade. They never actually work in a factory and sell their shit to outsiders.

>>64006380
The primary export of the USA was security

>>64006408
>chose the magic button that lets them print money on demand?
And are doing everything in their power to throw away the free money glitch button the more Trump lashes out and changes his mind on trade policy. Then again, it's explicit Republican policy at this point that being broke and owning less stuff is good.

>>64006439
Aka protection racket

>>64006380
>>64006408
>Tell me, what does the US actually trade in?
Weapons and software. I totally agree that deindustrialization was a terrible mistake, but the situation isn't quite as bad as you imply.

>>64006439
protection from what? US is an empire of lies. They never liberated anyone. Those countries "liberated" by them are still shit. They did that only to themselves.

Protection my ass. More like power hunger.

>>64006439
You're a fool to trust your security to 90IQ meztizos trying to maintain 40yo tanks and warships and Silicon Valley bullshit artists.

>>64006445
Bzzzzt, wrong. The primary export of the US is the dollar, which other countries that don't trust each other to not have a monetary crisis use to conduct transactions with each other.

The US exports inflation to get container ships of goods. Pretty based scheme, but Trump decided that getting stuff for nothing wasn't a good enough deal. How he came to this conclusion is unclear, and we know now the only reason the Trump 1 economy was good was because he was being tard wrangled by the GOP establishment at every turn.

>>64006445
US never deindustrialize.

It's they just gave some cheap manufacturing contracts to Chinese like clothes, and other plastic shit.

To shape an image of being a strong, developed, clean country instead of a polluted country.

It's just China sold their products which are the same quality as yours 1/10th of your price, which makes them gain more markets in the globe.

>>64006445
>weapons
More a geopolitical tool than a real income source.
The major export good of the US are Federal bonds, +30% of the total national income. Followed by the stock market, banking services, web services and software.
That represents +70% of the US currency income.
>inb4 you have to pay that debt so the net is negative
It doesn't matter for the current fiscal year

>>64006445
>the situation isn't quite as bad as you imply
If it were, how would you know? Would your allies tell you? Or would they prefer opening new trade relations with actual industrial nations with whom they can build mutual trade relationships? Ones that will make America look worse and worse as time goes on, as American negotiations inevitably fall back further and further on what the American dollar can do, as opposed to what the American industry can provide?
"weapons and software are our main exports". Got that North Korea export model down to a T.

It was going to happen sometime anyway. Wonder how Chinese attitudes towards Russia will shift in the coming decade now that the Chinese know that they have vatniks on a leash.

>>64006460
>It's they just gave some cheap manufacturing contracts to Chinese like clothes, and other plastic shit.
It's not 2005, dude. China is world class in manufacturing in almost all fields. The US and EU have the edge in 5-6 fields.

Impressive.

With this most recent achievement, fate has in a single stroke, marked the final decline of the west and spelled a new era of wondrous prosperity and peaceful global dominance for the Chinese dragon, which promises to firmly stand in sharp contrast to the historically bloody ascent of western powers and the cruel subjugation it brought to the humbler nations of the world. With the blessings of Chinese quantum direct-current electricity, quantum aircraft carriers and quantum enhanced railguns, these and many more will be the instruments with which China affirms its noble stewardship of 21st century world politics and with which it also offers the non-western world a different option; a humanist alternative to the depredations of Western leadership and the opportunity for a more equitable and dignified multilateralism.

>>64005840
Friendly reminder that the USSR asked the US if they could nuke China during their border crisis.
https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1969-76v12/d88

>>64006472
America without the USD as the reserve currency looks a lot like the malaise of the Yookay, where the cost of living is high and they aren't competitive in anything except toy soldiers. But probably with more Latin American style political and monetary crises, and Brazilian crime levels.

>>64006458
>Trump decided that getting stuff for nothing wasn't a good enough deal
The result of that arrangement was deindustrialization, so it was a bad arrangement.

>>64006586
Except he's doing it in a way that ensures that the US neither gets free stuff for exporting dollars, nor makes things anyone else might want. The US is coasting on it's previous reputation as a country that might be bully, but was stable for business and investment - and Trump is doing everything possible to speedrun the demolition of that reputation of being a good place to do business.

Then again, it's the party line of the post-Trump GOP that Americans are too rich and have too much stuff.

For a gutter oil shithole, they've done extremely well for themselves. How come India struggles to achieve the same despite the demographic and geopolitical similarity?

>>64006614
>Inside every weary white man is six hundred screaming Chinamen

>>64006609
Yeah, I'm skeptical that this will fix it but the existing situation wasn't going to work long term so I can understand the desire to change it.

>>64006614
>Inside every weary white man is six hundred million screaming Chinamen

>>64006614
>How come India struggles to achieve the same despite the demographic and geopolitical similarity?
They didn't have their kissinger to build their industrial base for them, just some hands-off British rule.

>>64006653
you are a kike

>>64003956
chinese meme weapon are blowing up Rafales lmao

>>64006717
not as much kike as the one that lead china into modern age instead of letting them and the soviets nuke each other into oblivion

>>64005840
>>64005948
If China is smart, they won't bother. Even Mao knew Siberia wasn't worth anything, which is why he gave away Mongolia. Siberia has extremely low value. Russia only holds onto it out of historical pride to larp as the world's largest country.

>>64005994
>Keep them weak
I don't think they even want to do anything. Russia just keeps shooting itself in the foot.

>>64006080
Russians care but not because it's any real advantage to them. It's sheer pride. They don't want to admit they're the mid sized European regional power they are, they still want to think they're the continent spanning superpower they dream of.

>>64006776
>European
Central Asian*

I know it's a nothingburger, but holy shit would it be funny if true.

>>64006614
I'm not being hyperbolic or flippant when I say the studied IQ of India is, on average, ~75-80. There are many explanations for this. Some Brahmins will insist the lower castes exploded in population after independence. Some will say it's malnutrition. But fundamentally India is sub Saharan Africa tier

>>64006614
Extremely different culture and governance style. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c4uO9ZGfbc

Tl;dr: China is a state ruling a society. India is a society ruling a state.

>>64003934
/thread
>>64003897 (OP)
Become an hero

>>64006614
They do not have the same demographic similarity. Chinks are wypipo-tier or just below (which we know based on how their diasporas perform, and how closely related East Asians perform - which implies that the Chinks aren't cooking the books too much). Indians are Africa-tier.

>>64006804
But indian diasporic perform similar to east Asian diasporas

>>64006812
Indians at home perform abysmally. It's pretty clear that their diaspora is a pretty selective slice of their population, at least in NA.

I mean when people start saying that "Chinksects are stupid. They're making up, or being very selective with international tests" and that sort of cope. No, their Western diaspora does well (to be expected because of the resource expenditure), but also their diasporas in Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, and Taiwan also do well on these things. The Taiwanese were a lot of random KMT soldiers, not especially elite selected.

>>64006380
>Tell me, what does the US actually trade in?
More than half of your modern life, retard.
You phone runs software developed in the US, on chips developed in the US, which are fabricated with machines based on technologies developed in the US. And it connects to the network which are based on hardware, software and standards which half of the time come from the US.
You post right now on a website which runs on software created in the US, from the OS to the web server software to programming language to security infrastructure and so on.
You search your scat porn on a search engine created in the US. You write email using a service created in the US.
You watch US produced shit movies and TV shows, play games developed in the US, while doing that on a console developed in the US (surprise nigger, modern PlayStations are developed in commiefornia), watch cringe zoomer videos on fuckin' jewtube created in the US, and so on.
You eat burgers and pizza, the modern commercialized versions of which were created in the US. You buy shitty overprices nigger sneakers made by US companies. You fly abroad 50% using american planes. The factories making shit in some Indian hellhole are often making crap because they have US produced machinery.
Like bruh, I know it's trendy to shit on the US, and there are a ton of good reasons to do so, but please cool it with you turd world cope.

>>64003897 (OP)
How is buying chinoid jets cheaper than building more Su-57 and finishing up the Su-75?

>>64006850
Not him but
>Software
Yes
>Chips developed in the US
I have a Samsung exynos
>Fabricated with machines based on US tech
I mean like in the sense many many decades ago the first lithography was done in the US. But ASML is a dutch company now.
>Networks
Hardware is basically 90% Chinese these days. Software is a mix. In the case of networking equipment it's closely tied to the hardware manufacturer. Standards are consortiums of companies, of which Chinese companies play a significant part.
>Server OS
It's running Linux, which was Finnish and now has worldwide contributor (although problem heavy US)

I can't be assed to answer the rest, but IRL it's more like 50% US. And this is very heavily biased to this demographic. If you're in China or India or Taiwan, things are radically different.

>>64006864
>But ASML is a dutch company now.
Check whose patents ASML uses.
>If you're in China or India or Taiwan, things are radically different.
In shitholes it's super chic to use an iphone to the point that all their elites line up for them

>>64006850
>You phone runs software developed in the US
ok
>on chips developed in the US
cutting it close
>which are fabricated with machines based on technologies developed in the US
...but the machines are not in the US?
>And it connects to the network which are based on hardware, software and standards which half of the time come from the US
Standards? Like the US dollar standard?
>You post right now on a website which runs on software created in the US
This might be the only website where that is strictly untrue. Were you thinking of reddit?
>from the OS to the web server software to programming language to security infrastructure and so on
It's hard to assign a nationality to FOSS, but the linux kernel is definitely not American. Not that it'd matter if it were, how do you count trade with FOSS?
>You search your scat porn on a search engine created in the US.
I assure you my scat porn engine is very, VERY explicit about not being American. God, can you imagine?
>You write email using a service created in the US.
This one is absolutely correct.
>You watch US produced shit movies and TV shows
Wow, you have a really low opinion for me.
>play games developed in the US
You don't even do this!
>while doing that on a console developed in the US (surprise nigger, modern PlayStations are developed in commiefornia)
But the PS5 has no games.
>watch cringe zoomer videos on fuckin' jewtube created in the US, and so on
You had to hold yourself back from typing tiktok, didn't you? I know that wasn't easy, I'm proud of you.
>You eat burgers and pizza, the modern commercialized versions of which were created in the US
Mostly just burgers.
>You buy shitty overprices nigger sneakers made by US companies.
Made by US companies in Texas, Vietnam.
>You fly abroad 50% using american planes.
No, I'm still alive.
>The factories making shit in some Indian hellhole are often making crap because they have US produced machinery.
Are you talking shit about US produced machinery?

>>64006864
>It's running Linux, which was Finnish
Look up where both Linus Torvalds and Linux Foundation are located, retard.

>>64006864
>I have a Samsung exynos
which is based on IP and tech from US, duh

>I mean like in the sense many many decades ago the first lithography was done in the US. But ASML is a dutch company now.
my brown friend, both ASML and TSMC uses technologies developed in the US.

>Hardware is basically 90% Chinese these days
just because an iPhone gets assemble in chinkland (or pajeetland for that matter) it doesn't become neither chinese or indian

>>64006850
>>64006876
To sum it up:
The United States prints money, then ships that money off to other countries for free stuff, and other countries are privileged enough to want to be their trade partners and allies because...they are the ideas guy and invented burgers and emails.
Honestly I'm not sure what's worse, being the banker of the world or the ideas guy of the world, mostly because the ideas are so shitty it even pisses off most americans.

>>64006898
Weird cope but ok

>>64006876
>...but the machines are not in the US?
A ton of them are, but even if they are not who cares? iPhone are assembled in China, India and even Brazil - it doesn't make it chinese, indian or brazilian. Similarly a Toyota Camry assembled in Russia (they had those pre-2022) didn't magically become a russian car.

>Standards? Like the US dollar standard?
Standards like the technologies used. More than half of it was developed by Qualcomm in the US.

>This might be the only website where that is strictly untrue. Were you thinking of reddit?
My brown friend, the operating system is developed in the US, the web server software is developed in the US, the programming language the website is developed was developed by Zend Technologies - you've guessed it - in the US. Please kill yourself.

>but the linux kernel is definitely not American
It is, both the original engineer and the organization behind it are in the US.

>Made by US companies in Texas, Vietnam.
It doesn't matter where crap is assembled. What matters is who developed it and who sells it.

>>64006894
>which is based on IP and tech from US, duh
ARM is British, Samsung Foundry has its own IP portfolio developed in-house...

>>64006898
>To sum it up: I'm a butthurt turd worlder
fixed that for ya, faggot

>>64006898
>want to be their trade partners and allies because...they are the ideas guy and invented burgers and emails.
Because the alternative at the time was to trust the Soviet Union, and a quick glance at Soviet and American standards of living made it a pretty easy decision.

America has the problem now where American cities are mediocre, rural America is Methville (and only really are populated at this point because of $40k from the state gov bullshit jobs and Social Security payments). The best thing about America is using your inflated American salary to vacation in Europe or Asia.

>>64006930
we both know your turdie sister would sell her every orifice just for a chance of getting a green card though.

>>64006925
>ARM is British
Yes, but Exynos is not a strictly ARM designed core, my brown friend. All those fancy additional parts (which are like half of the CPU) are from third-party companies, and like half of them are from the US. Look up IP blocks which are sold to SoC designers. Things related to periphery, hardware encoding and decoding, all that shit.

>>64006930
Try to make your samefagging less obvious next time, saar.

>every day, thirdie doodies have to visit a majority American website created by an American to convince an american audience that their third world shitholes matter by typing up lengthy and very angry cope posts
What exactly are the psychological reasons behind this anyway? Do foreigners crave the validation of american acknowledgement or what?

>>64006898
>want to be their trade partners and allies because...they are the ideas guy and invented burgers and emails
Yes, because the other options are:
- russia, which invented broom rape and not-gay buttsex, and instead of trade just wants to steal your people and stuff;
- china, which invented face culture, gutter oil culinary and lathe suicides, and wants to impose social credit on you and chinese police departments in your country;

>>64006937
I can't wait for the chinks to do what the huwhyte man can't and bathe the subcontinent in nuclear fire, saar.

>>64006934
>The core, memory controller, gpu during most generations aren't important, but it's american because of that tiny 0.1mm2 of silicon outsourced
Holy retard.

>>64006923
>...but the machines are not in the US?
>A ton of them are, but even if they are not who cares? iPhone are assembled in China, India and even Brazil - it doesn't make it chinese, indian or brazilian. Similarly a Toyota Camry assembled in Russia (they had those pre-2022) didn't magically become a russian car.
well o-
>but the linux kernel is definitely not American
>It is, both the original engineer and the organization behind it are in the US.
So when a chip is made in taiwan and assembled in china, it's still american because the design came from America.
But when the linux kernel was made by a finnish guy in finland, it's american because he moved to america.
...Is that you Joel Embiid? Are the French still pissed about the olympics thing?

>>64006946
>website created by an American t
"created" more like plagiarizing a Japanese website, not the usual rehash of a forum or irc.

>>64006947
ok but what do the chinese want to trade? You mentioned that the puccians have nothing to trade, what do the chinese have?

>>64006947
>impose social credit
The US already outsources that to payment processors.

America just gets the worst of both worlds, with a social credit system for debanking badthink - but without the nice bit of the Chinese system where niggers nogging in public get caught on facial recognition and get banned from booking a cruise.

>>64006955
> behind it are in the US.
Because the for patenting and © you are forced to be in the US, otherwise patent trolls will kill any software project, invention, etc. Fiscal residences are more liberal but the core of organizations and its IP portfolio needs at least a "mirror" in the US.
The dominance position was leveraged to tax the rest of the world even if you don't try to sell in the US proper.

>>64006953
My brown friend, in your typical mobile SoC the main CPU cores (e.g. ARM Cortex-A series) occupy a surprisingly small fraction of the total die area, compared to the rest of the components. Here's an example breakdown for your brown ass:
- CPU itself, 5-15%
- graphics (often not from ARM btw), 20-30%
- ISP, 5-10%
- NPU, 5-15%
- DSP(s), 5%
- external memory controllers, cache, etc, 10-15%
- other IP blocks (video decode and encode, cellular modem, power management, IO controllers, etc), 20-30%

>>64006961
Raw materials that they turn into phones, cars, clothes, etc.

>>64006962
>with a social credit system for debanking badthink
turdies always project
>nice bit of the Chinese system where niggers nogging in public get caught on facial recognition
lol

>>64006968
so let me get this straight
as a replacement level country:
if I trade with china, I get phones, cars, clothes, etc (all american, of course)
if I trade with US, I get...what do I get? Emails and burgers?
Also, what's stopping me from trading with both?

Europe is your only alternative to US when it comes to high-end medical equipment, CNC machines, aircraft, gas turbines and military-grade electronics, and they're typically more limited, more expensive and more stingy with this than US. russians still bend over backwards for third countries to smuggle American components to assemble their missiles and aircraft with despite all the expenses and difficulties even today.

>>64006965
As long as the US is chill and doesn't, idk start idk imposing double digit tariffs on a whim, this is an arrangement people are pretty cool with. But for some reason, the losers of America have decided that a system rigged in their favor is insufficiently rigged in their favor.

>>64006955
>But when the linux kernel was made by a finnish guy in finland, it's american because he moved to america.
1. Because Linux as the OS wasn't developed in Finland, it was developed along with the GNU project, which was predominantly a US thing;
2. Because Linux is based on cloning Unix, which was in fact developed in the US;
3. Both Linux foundation (which manages further development) and the original engineer being in the US for most of the time the work to actually create this stuff in its modern state are just icing on the cake;

>>64006966
>retard doesn't understand sarcasm and only focuses on the silicon area
Should I have said IP value? otherwise a Nvidia GPU for data center is worth less than the ram, maybe even than the power electronics...

Retard-kun... post the American competitor of ARM that isn't based on ARM...

>>64006979
You can, but Americans get kinda butthurt. Especially when people start noticing "huh, this Chinkshit is 90% of the quality for 50% of the price", and then shortly after "This chinkshit for the same price is just better" - usually corresponding with the US banning their products at that point.

Tesla would be btfo, for example, if you could get current-gen Chinese EVs in the US. The USG had to step in to create a captive market when Huawei was btfoing Cisco. And once again, it looks like they're going to import ban OnePlus phones.

>>64006984
oh god, you read the interjection copypasta and actually believed it.
Langley?

>>64006987
>competitor of ARM
- define in which role and market, because one could easily say desktop PC and ARM will instantly suck dick compared to X86 crap;
- you do realize that modern ARM was created as a partnership between Acorn Computers (UK), Apple (US) and VLSI Technology (US)?

>>64006995
That's not an issue. China can easily sell their devices to the rest of the planet.

>>64007001
Nyet, cumrag this is John Smithovich from Texas Oblast

>>64006995
Wait, wait wait wait.
Does that...
Does that make the US the dealership of the world?
China is the factory, and then all the bullshit financing gets done in the US, and the US forbids direct from factory sales.
Jesus, first bankers, then the ideas guy, and now the dealership.
Was capitalism a mistake?

>>64006995
>Chinkshit is 90% of the quality
In what products though?

>>64007011
Correct, and they are, and increasingly not seeing the value proposition of buying American. And Americans are kinda blissfully unaware since their government gets butthurt and bans Chinkshit when its gets too good.

>>64007011
but that's why wumaos are bitter. They want Americans and Europeans buying their products, not just third world slavs and browns. There is a reason why the Chinese get mindbroken when their companies are banned from North America and Western Europe, those two markets are the ultimate stamp of approval globally.

>>64007024
Drones are obvious. DJI comprehensively btfos American companies here, now matter how much Palmer Luckey malds about it.

Optics probably. Chinese lenses for DSLRs and mirrorless lenses have been getting scarily close to the Japanese 1st party stuff. I don't America even competes here, but I could be wrong.

Consumer electronics in general. If there's a category of consumer electronics that exists, there's probably a Chinese brand that equivalent at 50-80% of the price. Anker is world-class at this point. This classically gets Americans really butthurt - like with Japan in the 80s and 90s, and Taiwan and South Korea at various points.

EVs. This should be obvious. In part because the only American company making halfway decent EVs, Tesla, has Dodge-tier panel gaps. Xiaomi's offerings would blow them the fuck out.

>>64007029
Are you not tired of replying to yourself over and over, brownie?

>>64007029
>bans Chinkshit when its gets too good.
it's okay to ban crap which is pushed by the government in a non-competitive manner.

>>64007029
Then why do the Chinese care that much about the US? They already have the rest of the world as a near-captive market. This fixation on US demand seems odd.

>>64007043
>Anker is world-class at this point
When you are lucky. QC barely exists with it.

>>64007043
>Chinese lenses for DSLRs and mirrorless lenses have been getting scarily close to the Japanese 1st party stuff.
lol sure thing
>EVs
lmao, as if there werent enough lithium fires going on around already

>>64007043
>In part because the only American company making halfway decent EVs, Tesla, has Dodge-tier panel gaps
You're so fucking wrong it hurts to read.
Their shanghai factory make japanese precision cars.

>>64007043
>EVs. This should be obvious.
a) all EVs suck major dick;
b) have you actually tried chink EVs? I did, they suck, those aren't cars, but chink gadgets from AliExpress - designed to look "cool" and "modern", but shit for actual usage;

>>64007055
>Their shanghai factory make japanese precision cars.
Oh, so they had to turn to the Chinaman to do it right? Unsurprising.

>>64007056
>a) all EVs suck major dick;
I agree actually; I think hybrids are better in almost every way. However, there is a multinational dick waving contest to make the best EV.

>>64007048
Burgerland is an absurdly influential consumer market, not even the most deranged of anti-american seethers can deny this. The US is a prized market so of course any company with serious global ambitions would try to establish themselves in the US.

>>64007067
>>64007056
ok hear me out
what if
you could do that thing where you sit in your car, pull the seat back and relax
except
you can also have AC/heating running
without running the engine?
eh? EH?

>>64007067
>there is a multinational dick waving contest to make the best EV
and chinese ones aren't even on the list

>>64007074
>you can also have AC/heating running
>without running the engine?
For a short time until your battery is dead kek. Outside of warm US climate ICE cars actually do climate control better than EVs. When you have to either heat or cool an EV the range plummets, sometimes by half.

>>64007074
then it eats through your battery and leaves you waiting for a 6 hour recharge to do groceries.

meanwhile running the engine barely eats any fuel and the tank can be refilled in seconds. and if it's cold outside it doubles as a heater.

>russians flying the J-35
Is there any timeline in which this actually happens?

>>64007079
Now you're just making shit up.
There's about 60kwh of battery inside your typical EV.
The maximum plug-in wattage of your home heater/AC unit is 1800W, or 1.8kw.
Meaning that running the AC/heater on blast the entire time, over 8 hours, costs less than 16kwh.
That's less than a third of your charge even if you keep your battery at 80% charged.
Nevermind that it's highly unlikely that you'll be doing that to begin with, heat pumps typically run at 1kw in the dead of winter.

>>64007067
Its because they are the future
on nothing but performance alone the electric engine beats the internal combustion engine like a red headed step child, but the tech itself is still in its "early jet engine" phase where there are a bunch of engineering challenges to overcome before they can be made as useful as ICEs in the real world

>>64007005
>and ARM will instantly suck dick compared to X86 crap;
ARM strength was mainly for the gap between microcontrollers and x86, but nowadays they have HP cores like Cortex-X. They developed uArch good enough (compared to EPYC) to be usable for servers. They're ok by their own and their ISA is "more popular" than x86 in current year, it simply lacks the software ecosystem. Meanwhile x86 keeps reducing its scope to OoO HPC, for everything else (*)PUs/, alternative ISAs and ASIC are more relevant. Just to not being misinterpreted, x86 is still the basis of computing in general, but the software clutches are there too.

The problem of ARM vs x86 is the support and performance problems of emulating a ISA. For consumer market Apple did a good job switching ISA, but for servers it isn't as simple.

>- you do realize that modern ARM was created as a partnership between Acorn Computers (UK), Apple (US) and VLSI Technology (US)?
The only thing that matters if you have control of the IP to keep developing and making something. Like AMD with x86. But if you really want to dig into a Infinite regress then good luck because it would be self-damaging and a waste of time if you try to attribute merit in that chain...

>>64007081
>meanwhile running the engine barely eats any fuel
jesus fucking christ, a trucker.

>>64007090
>Now you're just making shit up.
Nope. The most recent feedback I got from EV using friends is about Hyundai Ioniq 5, should do ~480 km of range, with AC or heating you barely get 300 km. Yeah, and using fast chargers degrades the battery, so good luck if you actually plan on using the car for more than a couple of years.

>>64007079
>When you have to either heat or cool an EV
you really do need to cool or heat the EV itself, the batteries are sensitive to temperature changes and need their own A/C constantly running.

>>64007090
>look at this retard thinking that power conversion is free

>>64007034
>There is a reason why the Chinese get mindbroken when their companies are banned from North America and Western Europe
we need a sequel to the Huawei ban since the amount of multi-year chang rage that it caused on the internet was joyous.

>>64003897 (OP)
Russia would do well just to acquire J-15s and J-10Cs to replace their shitty aging air frames, let alone J-35s they can't afford to operate.

>>64007103
Bruh, a typical modern can probably run for like 2 days straight at idle with AC on

>>64007103
a typical gas engine will consume like half a liter of fuel per hour. with a full tank it can run for several days straight.

>>64007112
Yep, TikTok should be banned

>>64007113
Russia doesn't operates single engine fighters.

>>64007115
Might bump it up to one liter when the AC would be on kek

>>64004260
China isn't flooding their supplies with them because they want the war to keep going. It keeps oil and resource prices low and they can buy it wholesale by sending the supplies via Best Korea and Iran to avoid sanctions because Russia doesn't follow US sanctions against them.
China wants the war to continue as long as possible so they can keep saber rattling over Taiwan without actually moving in since it causes distractions from a lot of domestic issues like consistent devastating floods and how most chinks are still rural retards beyond even the most inbred slav.

>>64007117
Because they are retarded and their requirement for redundancy is because their equipment is shit.

>>64007117
They are trying to make the Femboy though

>>64007043
>EVs
Tesla still rapes the shit out of any chink EV on the market, price equivalent or not. There's a reason Chinese companies create gimmicks like rotating infotainment screens to attract retards while Tesla focuses on world beating software and handling, as well as efficiency.
Xiaomi MIGHT have them beat with the SU7 but they aren't even selling it world wide atm and Chinese companies always use the chinese range claims to try and obfuscate their 3KW/Mile specs, at best too, while Tesla is pulling 5-6KW/Mile in better handling and more comfortable cars.
Especially as Chinkshit is currently trying to place price wars with Tesla rather than just outright undercutting them to create brand awareness. BYD literally thinks its better to sell a £44k saloon with 270 miles of range against a Tesla Model 3 RWD that can do 300 miles that costs £39,000 and is a better car by every metric.

Not that EVs are a smart purchase unless you have enough domestic solar to always charge off it and only depend on an EV as a daily commute/off grid power supply but Tesla is still better than their many competitors by a decent margin in all important aspects of an automobile.

>>64007118
even at one liter you're still looking at 30+ hours of continuous running without even considering a spare gas can sitting in your trunk

>>64007140
>There's a reason Chinese companies create gimmicks like rotating infotainment screens to attract retards
Because the main buyers of EVs are zoomer kids or young women who buy shit as if it's a trendy gadget kek

>>64007142
Even more than 30 hours, yeah.

>>64006871
>Whose patents
ASML has twenty thousand parents.
>Super chic
Maybe, but you're scrambling for some idea of prestige than economic impact.

>>64006894
I think this level of we wuzzing shows the declining/mismatch of perception. Yes it uses things built from the US. It also uses a shit ton of tech and patents from Taiwan/Korea.

>>64006946
My man you're suffering from delusions of grandeur. 90% of people here are American or western. People here are those with some level of introspection
>4chan is a ripoff of 2ch
>Was built around Japanese culture
>We wuzzing this hard as if 4chan was some American superpower

These aren’t stealth planes. Even if Russia managed to buy some, which they won’t but let’s pretend, it will be literally a worse version of what they already operate. At most the Chinese planes are LO, meaning they will be detected almost as easily as an Su-57 and get shot down by Western AD all the same as anything else not VLO. To achieve stealth you need VLO, less than that is not stealth. It’s not a sliding scale of stealthiness, but a litmus test. You’re in the radar’s noise floor or you’re a signal. LO only makes a difference at the fuzzy edges of the radar’s useful range where it struggles to differentiate returns from noise. You fly one of these 4.5 (at absolute most) gens into a high-performance AD umbrella you’re getting detected and shot at. The Russian Air Force is super risk-adverse and so if they had the means to buy these Chinese planes (they don’t because the Chinese aren’t selling) they still wouldn’t buy them because they would be used no differently than how they are using their current fleet.

Also, it feels like the air war component has current become unimportant. For the better part of a year the glide bomb campaign has dominated, but it seems like Ukraine has abandoned the concept of these basement and concrete building fortifications and focusing more on lightly-manned, less fortified positions meant to just to slow down the Russians as they focus defenses on drones as their primary fighting force. Basically the war has moved into a light infantry advance vs delaying process.

>>64007140
>world beating software
Not even in it's own field. Waymo crushed them by virtue of actually making autonomous vehicles.

>>64007160
>90% of people here are American or western.
God i wish

>>64007160
>90% of people here are American or western
Bruh, the internet is brown for about a decade

>>64007160
Futuba was an offshoot of 2ch which Hiro made to imitate American forums he used while studying at Arkansas State. Anime is heavily influenced by 20th century American culture.

>>64006380
jesus christ you're a sensitive, insincere faggot lol.
>b-but the US wasn't buying as many things at it was selling therefore trade between the biggest economy and the biggest economic block isn't real!!!

>>64006419
nobody gives a shit about your delusions, chinkmutt.
>>64006427
another chinkmutt seethe response
>>64006493
completely delusional, chinks are mostly good at final assembly of foreign components, that still hasn't changed
>>64006782
see >>64006322 that's what he looks like

>>64006102
>You think China nowadays will forgive what Russia did to them 200 years ago?
Probably but that's not what I said.
I said that Russia cares about it, what China cares about doesn't influence that Russia are going to want to keep it.

>>64006106
>Russia harmed China more than entire west
That's debatable, China didn't have Russian colonies in their cities until the west gangbanged them.
I'd say the opium wars probably did more harm to China than anything other single war/defeat/whatever and it wasn't Russia driving those (though they exploited the defeat).
In any case, Russia isn't a threat to China's ambitions or existence.
The west is because we can't tolerate dictatorships or repression and constantly seek to undermine them until they're overthrown internally. We're certainly not going to stop wishing that the Chinese people will overthrow the CCP and putting our thumbs on the scales to give them a little assistance.

>>64004290
Whats fucking funny was that Pakistan flew into RIAT with
a Russian IL-78
an American C-130
And a Chinese JF-17
Just goes to show how to do procurement when you're strapped on resources.

>>64006722
>chinese meme weapon are blowing up Rafales lmao
Source? Oh wait, you just want it to be true.

>>64006119
>helicopter carriers from France.

Which got cancelled when they invaded Ukraine kek. That's what I meant by racist. They didn't buy a single Chinese system, but bought a shit ton of European hardware?
>>64006121
Only low end shit like drone components and civilan equipment like machine tools, and in low amounts too. Otherwise, you would be seeing a massive fuckton of Chinese tanks/IFV/APCs on the frontlines, alongside Chinese jets. America has been trying to slap sanctions on China for selling weapons to Russia for years.

>>64007443
Trump said it.

https://www.independent.co.uk/asia/india/trump-india-pakistan-fighter-jet-loss-rafale-b2792048.html

>>64008162
>retard who can't count to five
>also never said anything about rafale

>>64008162
>trump said it
don't care, trump doesn't know what he's talking about and randomly says shit all the time

considering just HOW badly you guys shill for it, HOW important it is to your narrative, and HOW badly you want it to be true to the point of constantly spamming the board with it, i'm just assuming at this point the rafale was shot down by a non-chink part of the pakistani arsenal because chinks would simply show the receipts for that free propaganda victory if they had them, they wouldn't have people like you scrounging around trying to consensus crack it.

>>64003897 (OP)
Makes sense if Russia seeks to have the Chinese repair and overhaul the Kutznesov.

J-35 naval variants would be compatible with ski-jumps as well, since China isnt going to build a new naval fighter that's only useful for a single carrier.

>>64008181
give up, there's only so much you can cope before it becomes silly.

>>64008201
Only a retarded country like Iran or NK would give military equipment to russia...
changs ain't that stupid

>>64008204
>pre-emptively says other people are coping
>when he has literally no evidence for his claims and simply demands that chinkshit was responsible because it fits his worldview
embarrassing hapa behaviour lol.

>>64008213
Whatever pajeet.
You lost three Rafales and made Macron angry and scurring for damage control. Face it.

>>64008246
>*bzzzzzz*
>westerner has rejected [pakistan shootdown narrative 6]
>activate [pajeet ad hominem]
you realize how unnatural and predictable it is when you do that right? you've done it like 20 times and every single time it doesn't work.
nobody here denies the shootdown, your fantasy version of it however, is not better supported because you tried to use /k/'s hatred of jeets against it.

>>64008257
Show me those Rafales please.

>sandniggers claim F-35 kills
>provides no evidence
>opposing side lost no aircraft

>jeets claim rafale kills
>provides no evidence
>opposing side lost no aircraft

Do the thirdies actually even know they hit xguards and an/ale-50s or is it just the online shills that are retarded?

>>64008275
Hey king, you lost your engine.

>>64008290
>random jeet twattter osint logo
>blurry pic of god knows what wreck from where with clearly different plumbing
Ok?

If the jeets had a real shotdown their govt would smear it all over the other jeets' faces on international media.
And probably make it a part of their national identity like serbs did with the F-117.

>>64008320
>i'm gonna predict the future with this example
lmao retard, just chill out and wait to see what retarded things they say, if they say something at all.

>>64008273
did you not read my post, you brown fucking ape? i literally just said i didn't deny the shootdown.
every single one of you creatures should be thrown into a meatgrinder.

>indians when faced with evidence

SAAAR THESE ARENT CORPSES
SAAAR THESE PEOPEL ARE NOT DEAD JUST SLEEPING
SAAAR PLEASE TRAIN WILL NOT HIT BRAHMIN SUPER ARYANS SAAR
SAAAAR PEOPLE ARE JUST REDEEMED NOT RAN OVER!
OK SAAAR SOME DIED BUT NOT RAN BY TRAIN JUST FELL OFF BIG DIFFERENCE!

>>64008162
Nowhere in that article does it say the rafale was shot down by a Chinese jet. It could have been shot down by an F-16. In the end, it is a better jet.

>>64008470
Trump shoudl know, since the US forbids the F16s to be used vs India.

>>64008384
god damn what a shithole. Even african vids don't look this bad.
WTF wrong with them????

>>64008498
yea

>>64008384
Very thoughtful of them to spread feed for the incoming trains, a pretty good way of keeping the apex predator sated.

>>64008503

Now that's what I call smashed pussy.

>>64008503
fuck man

>>64008612
that's actually a woman, it's where pajeets and ziggers differ

>>64008503
>>64008384
>these people have nukes

>>64007160
>90% of people here are American or western
I'd be surprised if even 60% of 4chan users were white at this point.

>>64008491
But Trump didn't say that. Nowhere in the article does it mention chinese jet.

>>64006762
You are a fucking retard, siberia has tons of rare minerals, oil, natural gas, the biggest challenge is finding a way to exploit it (or waiting 40-60 years for Siberia to thaw a bit). Mao gave it away because for the past few hundred years it has been an inhospitable, economically nonviable piece of land (despite its riches). Especially back in the 50's.

>>64008470
Missile wreckage indicates PL-series. Nice try jeetoid.

>>64008622
>where pajeets and ziggers differ
Pajeets come off as wild animals.
Potentially dangerous but you can't blame them, they're just unthinking creatures living by their instincts. And mostly harmless.
Similar to niggers, they're harmless if you leave them to their own devices instead of bulk importing them.

Ziggers, though, are ontological evil.
Not human in the moral sense, but only a terribly twisted human mind could be capable of the premeditated malicious intent powering their actions on both individual and societal levels.

>>64008384
And for some reason the Anglo mind is vulnerable to Indian flattery and bullshit in a way it's not to the Chinese, or to use the example of another country of call center scammers, the Filipinos

>>64008730
scamming senile people isn't a achievement of the scammer or a weakness of the scammed
Current governments still retains most of its the pre-global communication laws and mindset.

>>64008738
I mean more about the enshittification and degradation of products as increasing numbers of Indians end up in senior positions.

>>64008769
>enshittification and degradation of products as increasing numbers of Indians end up in senior positions
That's not reliable.
There's a certain nepotistic tendency in jeets getting into management and bringing in their cousins and in-laws to jobs they'd have trouble getting otherwise but jeets aren't all equal.

A lot of the ones we see in STEM in the west are the ones that got out of India and actually hate the jeets you hate, much more than you do.
Try to imagine what it feels like to be a bit smarter than the average in a country too corrupt and religious to get anywhere and you make it out to the west and then the bottom feeders are clawing their way out too.

>>64003961
If Russia wasn't LARPing as a superpower and didn't take Crimea in 2014, they very well could be an EU state today.
American and European relations with Russia were very high before then. American soldiers marched in the Victory day parade in Moscow.

They could have been part of the solution, but are now just the problem.

>>64008831
>they very well could be an EU state today.
not even only theoretically
it was a serious discussion

quite a bunch of popular EU economists advocated to try to get Russia into the Euro in the early 2000s
mostly because of the Oil, Gas and Resources
which would've created an extremely stable Euro
and Europe would be Resource independent by now

Russia would have massively profited as well
because europeans only buying resources from them
kinda like the Norway situation, where EU countries buy from Norway first and everyone second,
so they have an almost 0 risk, gigantic, stable income for only having oil/gas and being nice to the EU

>>64007160
>NO SAAAAAAR, MOOT IS NOT AMERICAN!
Why are you browns like this?

>>64008875
>>64008831
Yeah. Everyone could have had nice things.

In fact I was sure a war like this couldn't even happen in our modern connected world. Sure that the russian people would not accept a despot ruining their futures. Not when they have relatively free access to internet and outside information. They were savvy to all the bullshit their state fed them.

But look how quickly the russian people turned to self-destructive ziggers.

>>64007309
>being this butthurt and over-serious about the chinks
Show us on the puppet where Daddy Xi has touched you.

>>64003934
you forgot the most important part, the sign that his is a reliable, trustworthy source:
>xitter screencap

>>64008710
>Missile wreckage indicates PL-series
Nope. Don't know who you are trying to impress with that jeet insult, when Pakistan and India are both jeets.

>>64006445
>but the situation isn't quite as bad as you imply.

The situation is much worse, since 35 years of progressively worse deindustrialization has killed the human capital required for reindustrialization. Even if foreign corporations teleported factories and foundries and whatever into America, there would be no locals available to staff them. And there would be no power plants or railway lines or canals to service them. All this bluster about reindustrializing America is just a big money grab where local billionaries are chasing federal grants.

If the US government was serious about reindustrialization, it would start the process bottom up, by investing in the basics first, including the human capital needed. Thats not what is happening.

>>64010463
NTA, there's missile wreckage that shows at least one missile was pl15. If that missile hit anything is another question. The real question is why it had such an abysmal kill rate in an engagement that favored it almost by design.

>>64004104
>f-35 from america
Except the F-35 isn't made 'by America'. It's close to an Anglo-American collab project than it is an American one. That's ignoring all the foreign parts in it.

>>64012755
the meta is triaging the plane then spamming PL15s with AESA-GaO seekers (which only china is capable of doing).
Rafael, F22, F35, B2, B21 etc. doesn't matter. Once they are detected they are dead.

>>64004463
You're an idiot. You don't give your cutting edge tech to an ally. It's why the Challenger 2's that the UK gave didn't have their main advantage; Chobham armour. It's why the Abrams that the USA gave were brand new hulls without DU armour. It's why the best F-16's Ukraine got weren't Block 70/72. It's why Australia is giving 40(49) M1A1's, not their M1A2's. Even the Bongs who have broken the most 'red lines' that Putin set over equipment only sent broken up Tornado's so they could make Frankenstein Monster style Su-24-Tornados (and thus fire Storm Shadows etc). Nobody has sent anything high tech to Ukraine. It's the excuse Germany has used for two years over not sending TAURUS (one of many).

So, no. China is not sending or selling their best equipment into a situation where they might lose them. Even if they were 'export' models, they end up getting data'd because even a partial hull would be extremely useful. Same reason captured T-90M's were sent to UK and USA. It's all useful data. China won't risk it, whether it is the 'height' of their equipment or not, just like Block 70/72 F-16's haven't been sent. That's ignoring the logistics of it (i.e, you need Chinese weapons and 2-3 years of piloting and the systems to maintain them etc). So if Russia bought them, they wouldn't appear for a few more years.

>>64012780
Don't remember prompting you to say shit, but your chinksect cope for such an abysmal rate of sucess tells me all I need to know.

>>64012780
Pakis had an AWACS but India didn't, so that's a big advantage. They also had this "super" weapon PL-15. Lets also assume Rafael was shot down and not just bad maintenance kill. With such a big advantages, why was only Rafael shot down?

>>64007140
>companies always use the chinese range claims to try and obfuscate their 3KW/Mile specs, at best too, while Tesla is pulling 5-6KW/Mile in better handling and more comfortable cars.

You mean mile per KWH and not KW per mile. I am not taking you seriously because you just did a typical LLM AI error.

>>64012741
There was something of a manufacturing resurgence. Just in the sunbelt where unions didn't kill the golden goose.

Unfortunately, Donald Trump decided that "trade is bad" and that Americans should be making Nikes in sweatshops, not BMWs or Toyotas in modern factories.

>>64012815
>not sending their best equipment
irrelevant, even sending 2nd generation equipment that china itself heavily relies on to fight wars still compromises it, which is fucking dumb.

>>64012780
>chinksect cope
you are not here in good faith and your arguments are irrelevant and have hereby been discarded.

>>64009264
>being this butthurt
yep, chinks are certainly quite butthurt.
which is why they've been mass-spamming this board the last few months.

>>64012780
>AESA seekers
>which only china is capable of doing
what are you talking about?

MBDA produces them as well
developed in Germany and manufactured mostly in Italy I think

Mitsubishi in Japan
Hughes Electronics (GM) in Scotland and the US
and a bunch of other US companies I am too lazy to look up

>>64003961
>Giving all your military secrets away to your competitor that only wants to race your resources
>He thinks its about race
Luhmao wumao
Are you retarded.