We've all heard of the 800B€ budget for Europe's defense. Let's make a "what if" scenario.

Strategically speaking, they need to guard themselves from a series of threats:

1. The Med has only two entrances/exits (Gibraltar and Suez). Both are, and have historically been, difficult places to keep open. Failing to secure these two passages will effectively determine Italy's defeat. The only passage that allows vessels to stealthly/safely transit (e.g., submarines) it, it's Gibraltar (Suez is a canal - you got a nice bunch of ships going in a straight line). You got Morocco and the UK on both sides of the strait.

>CAPTOR-like mine fields all over the place
>Marines to secure lands
>ASW and ASuW
>Nuclear attack subs

2. Economic warfare from both enemies and allies. It's a classic move from Germany, France, and the UK to try to fuck Italy up with economics.

>Nuclear power at the level of France (70+% nuclear grid)
>Food independent
>Ability to resist sanctions
>Ability to source material from other countries
>Ability to produce what it needs

3. Middle Eastern and North African nations. The majority of these are within shooting range of Italy's land, so the ability to fuck these countries up in a prolonger manner is crucial (IMHO).

Saar, in five years you must import thirty thousand master java coders in the blink of an eye, and the EU will just fuckin' watch. Tomorrow, there will be no shortage of the internet strategic superiority, no shortage of make the english dumb and the Russia our ally. I know you do not understand Pakistan.

>>64008530 (OP)
nigger, average italian is 47 years old and the youth unemployment is 21.80%
even 5 trillions won't fix this nation

>>64008530 (OP)
Build a time machine and go back in to the reign of Emperor Trajan.

>>64008655
fate of all countries where the economy is based around boomers parking all the money in retarded places and complaining that people don't want to work

these lead addled goofballs will never realize that these days high employment is indicative of a wealthy society, not the other way around, so we just have to wait for the lack of AC to get all of them

>>64008811
The Gerontocracy will Doom us all if it's not addressed and guess whose the most coherent and consistent voting group.

>>64008858
Zoomers invariably go hard right wing but get crushed by the Boomer neoliberal-Millennial "enlightened centrist" alliance and repressed by the EU stasi.

>>64008530 (OP)
Nothing unless the average Italian has minimum 3 children.

>>64008871
trying to distill the entire political system to some kinda left/right tribalism bullshit doesn't really work anymore. both left and right will coddle to old people and shit all over everyone else. young people try to vote for someone who doesn't have a 40 year plan to take all their money and shove it into the assets of a 80 year old ex-plumber millionaire. it just happens that the only people that might accidentally help young people happen to be the radical right wing wackjobs who don't really have a plan aside from "idk just do some badass shit"

i'm actually not sure why we only really have radical far-right politicians. like yeah im sure most young men kinda hate women and minorities now but still. i think far-left radicalism should at least have some appeal to young people, but i guess it just keeps fizzling itself out due to bickering. i mean sure they are also retarded but that never stopped the far right

>>64008968
>i think far-left radicalism should at least have some appeal to young people
it is. to women
young men are right wing, young women are left wing
it's the same throughout the developed world

>>64008530 (OP)
Stop being Italian

>>64009750
well i mean i would agree with some "communist" ideas like nationalizing certain industries entirely because of their perverse profit incentives. but modern far-left ideology is not about the economic left but rather political catharsis and social justice, just like how far-right is not about loosening regulation and red tape as much as it is... political catharsis and social justice. really once you go far-anything, you typically no longer find any real ideology. sure these people may call themselves commies or nazies but they aren't even that, they're just doing what they feel like

>>64009770
Nigger this ain't /pol/

>>64008530 (OP)
Why would we sanction Italy for progress? We only tax that. It's not the Classic Euro Game of Risk anymore. Most certainly not for shooting Africans. Italy need the ability to use mobile armor to cover mine layers and wire layers. Mines and wires are useful forever and if they aren't you didn't use enough.
Italy needs crack frogmen, small fast low observable subs with tank size crew, and 3 carrier groups, and that's it.
Italy needs a co-german fighter AND tank building tech and know how with them in a shared program WITHOUT FRANCE AT ALL EVER SERIOUSLY STOP TRYING WITH THOSE FUCKS.

>>64008968
>>64009750
>>64009831
Traditionally, far-right could be oversimplified into "those fuckers, your shit" and to some extend that's still true to the modern far-right. Traditionally, far-left could be oversimplified into "those fuckers, our shit" but modern far-left is closer to "you fuckers, our shit." The far-right is essentially internally self-segregated outside a handful of major points while the far-left tries to reconcile multiple parallel but competing ideological groups into a cohesive whole which causes both a great deal of internal inertia and fails when certain positions are unreconcilable.

This might be a boring answer but if you want to make Italy powerful you need to stabilize Italian politics first. To exaggerate it a bit Italian governments collapse once every six months, half the politicians are connected to organized crime, all of the money that Italy gets from the EU is spent on random shit that isn't productive and everyone ignores the bureaucracy to the point that everything is dysfunctional. That was an intentional exaggeration but not that far from the actual truth.

>>64010080
i think there was an economic aid package put together by the EU a couple of months back and italy literally took like 25% of it by itself lol (spain took another 25%). cant find the info about it anymore though

kinda feels like EU is just not willing to let mediterraneans who have heat exhaustion just be poor, so instead the various german speaking populations work extra hard so that italians can work half as much and still have the same quality of life

>>64008968
>>64009831
What a bunch of fucking nonsense. Young men in the west are turning to the right because they're experiencing the most severe effects of left wing policies possible outside of literal communist revolutions. They are excluded from participating in the economy, in academia, in culture and even politics because the spaces they would normally earn are reserved for other people, mainly the childless women of high society and foreigners, and they are violently ejected and criminalized when they organize or recognize their collective interests. They cannot get education, or jobs, or housing, or healthcare, because despite bearing the absolute most fiscal load in any generation ever, they are at the bottom of the totem pole for everything on a systemic basis. Their politics are based on grasping for any lifesaver they can get and the only people who dont tell them to go fuck themselves with intense, frothing racist anti-white hatred are in the right.

Meanwhile left wing politics are populated by a mix of rich cunts who can afford to be activists every day and are as far removed from the working class and what happens to them as one can possibly be, and the complete dead weights who receive every benefit and put absolutely zero back into the system as a symbiotic relationship. They offer nothing except the further cannibalization of wealth instead of creating it to feed the welfare state, and everyone who's struggling to keep things from collapsing sees the non-contributors receiving these benefits instead of them and feels bitter about it. People would rather nobody get anything at all than the humilliation of working to pay for non-workers, because while at least you can quit your job, you can never quit taxes.

>>64010665
well if you read my posts, you'd find out that i actually talked about how the left does not give a fuck about young men. but i don't believe the fiscal right does either. both the left and the right, economically speaking, are dead set on looting every country they're in and giving it all to the boomers. not a single major political entity i know actually really cares about young white men. i guess the right sorta hates women too so that makes it feel more fair?

but i do agree the american left has some really perverse thought processes. judging by race rather than merit, making broad generalizations based on gender, treating someone based on stuff that happened well beyond living memory, etc. are all incredibly unjust actions, and being exposed to them really fucks with a person's psyche. look at you for example, i mainly talked about fiscal politics and you went on a rant about basically every group of people you resent. society can't survive on people like you because people will be too busy hating each other to work together. and they've systematically been creating people like you, just as the american hwites had been making various hoodlums and gang members out of blacks, the irish, the italians because they just had to fuck with them a bit

i think i'm a bit bitter too, but i'm more just annoyed by how everyone, including my teacher friends, are basically just going "huh its weird that all these boys hate their girl classmates, call each other the n word, suck at school and have 0 aspirations" and their conclusion is that this is all just bad luck and they have to be indoctrinated more in the other direction. and hoo boy don't get me started on the andrew tate shit, they think he's literally just mind controlling all these kids from across the globe. it doesn't give me hope considering these people are smarter than average but they're still too fucking stupid to determine what the issue even is.

>>64008530 (OP)
1. build a couple nuclear powered aircraft carriers
2. have Leonardo persuade the other partners in the GCAP program, like BAE, to make a naval version of it, acquire at the very least 60 of those
3. launder more money, build nuclear subs and sub launched ICBMs
4. ??????
5. go bankrupt, all the projects get canceled when they're nearly done

>>64008530 (OP)
1) take all the Mafia Money back from the Deutsche Bank
2) that's it.

>>64008530 (OP)
They would just need to start breeding more, kick out the africans and muslims, and fix their economy in general (which would probably happen on its own if the two previous conditions were filled).
Then in two or three decades they would be dominating power assuming the other big eurocountries do not manage to do the same things.

kill all meridionali who dont want to do anything productive and all thirdies, then kill off all baby-pensioners and you've solved 80% of the problem.
next step is to slim down bureaucracy and fire all the people who are there just to collect the check.
if a politician did this italy would eclipse the roman empire within a decade.

>clear /pol/bait thread
>/pol/tards flock into discussing everything but weapons and strategy
>instead they spew their far right chud sewage of an ideology everywhere
So tiresome

>>64011645
italy cant be fixed by buying a fancy carrier, sorry anon

>>64011645
OP here. It's wasn't a /pol/bait at all. I'm an international relations student in Boston...

>So tiresome
/pol/tards don't have anything better to do.

>>64008530 (OP)
Flattop nuclear carriers, at least three.
Maximum energy resources extraction.
Maximum mineral extraction.
Ruthless cutting of their notorious bureaucracy - productivity, efficiency and merit generate pay raises.
>>64008655
War fixes that quick.

>>64011578
So Italy should become France?

>>64011645
Did Afghanistan taught you nothing? Not even the strongest military support conceivable can rescue you from social and cultural factors undermining the will to fight. Itally simply cannot win until it is economically and demographically stabilized.

>>64011008
He read between the lines and saw>>64012081
aka a /pol/fag