Thread 64009569

Title says it all. I want to upgrade my daily carry because, due to increased homicides/violent crime in my area, I no longer feel like it is sufficient to defend myself and break contact. In fact, I've noticed it's nearly impossible to break contact in some of the murders out here because there's multiple people burglarizing someone in a small neighborhood, and they seem to travel in packs. Our deputy sheriff said it's more dangerous to be armed because they'll want to steal your firearm too, and it may entice them to use lethal force to do so.

I don't trust striker guns, and I'm not really into polymer either. I want a double stack, insanely reliable firearm I can trust my life with. Preferably steel framed. I love the idea behind the cz75 rami bd, but I guess it's hard to find a used one at a reasonable price because they stopped making them.

I also want my daily carry to be available as a home defense gun, and ideally as my primary home defense gun while other guns are put in the safe. I'd simply carry it around with me at home, it is what it is, times are changing here.

>>64009569 (OP)
Would a cz 92x compact be up your alley? There's also the kahr m9 compact. There's the P229 but I own one and it carries like a full size duty pistol.

>>64009569 (OP)
why not have a dedicated home defense gun? trying to find a one size fits all approach means youre going to be making compromises. your current gun looks good for concealed carry, for home defense you could get a full size handgun or even a long gun

>>64009569 (OP)
>Our deputy sheriff said it's more dangerous to be armed because they'll want to steal your firearm too, and it may entice them to use lethal force to do so
Sounds like you live in a Democrat shithole.

>>64009569 (OP)
The Rami is good. It's probably a bit wider than what you're used to and there's no rail.
Jamming rumors are wildly exaggerated. Just lube it up regularly.

>>64009664
Its only true if you open carry in niggahoods. Dont larp as a sheepdog and always keep the element of suprise

>>64009569 (OP)
Springfield emp/sa35, beretta 92 compact, staccato cs. idk man this seems kind of like a unicorn in today's market, people want polymer striker fired glock clones.

>>64009569 (OP)
S&W Bodyguard 2.0
>But it's striker fired!
Don't care
>But it's polymer!
Don't care

>>64009693
>hey i dont want these things so suggest things within these parameters pls
>"YEAH UR GONNA WANNA GET THIS THING YOU DONT WANT THAT I LIKE AND I DONT CARE THAT YOU DONT WANT IT"
No

>>64009569 (OP)
>>64009569 (OP)
Life is full of choices

>>64009671
>The Rami
>wanted a Rami for a long time
>see that they're discontinued
>check GB
>they're $800-$1k now

>>64009569 (OP)
https://officerstore.com/search-results?query=sig%20suer%20police%20trade%20in

Lurk re!!it gundeals. Look for police trade in SIG P2XX guns. the .40 can be had for cheap.

https://www.classicfirearms.com/beretta-84bb-semi-auto-380-acp-pistol-used-surplus-good/

Beretta 84. 13 round capacity of .380. Reliable and still compact. The frame safety is top notch and ambidexterous. It can fit a pocket just fine and would do well in home defense. I've got one and a beretta 81 which is the same thing but in .32 acp. These are freat because they're $350 on classic firearms. When they're gone you'll only be able to find one for no less than $500 or so. Get it now while ya can!

Whats stopping you from moving away?

>>64009569 (OP)
Browning Hi Power. 15+1 9mm. Nice single action trigger. Designed to be carried cocked and locked. Slimmer than a glock 19, and just a hair longer. Weight is about the same. This has been the CCW meta since 1935. There is a DA/SA version as well for pussies that won't carry a cocked single action.

>>64010035
My dad is in bad health and I refuse to leave him to the hoards of adult "troubled teens", and I can't find a realistic way to move him and myself plus find work in areas I want to move to.

>>64010030
NTA but AIM has had them on and off for years (and does right now, same price). It's still a good deal and I need to really get one soon though. Fuck I want one.

>>64009569 (OP)
S&W CSX would probably be the easiest transition for you

>>64009569 (OP)
You want a P365X. But if you don't like striker polymer handguns I'd recommend a Beretta M9 or CZ 75 B. Both will be heavy and large for a CCW. However they are reliable and effective fighting guns.

>>64010030
Op here, how does the 80x compare to the 84?

>>64009700
I can see why you would think that, but in reality he is correct and you are stupid and gay.

>>64009569 (OP)
Sig P229 da/sa is probably your best all around option.

>>64009949
>Turkslop or high bore axis boat anchor

>>64010258
That's a good deal.

>>64010366
IIRC they had (maybe reasonably priced?) Australian Police marked Glocks last week too FWIW; never seen that before. It seems everyone is overpricing their police trade-in ARs right now though. Fucking $1k for an M4 style Colt with a shitty old light no one but a few autistic collectors will want at that price (they were like $600 last year). $500-600 RRAs.

>>64010426
>$500-600 RRAs
This is the one that hurts the most. I love this little nigga, but can't justify it

>>64010437
Holy fuck did someone break teeth off the pic? Photoshop fuckup? Also yeah I want one of those uppers.

>>64009569 (OP)
>they seem to travel in packs

>>64010303
That depends. Are you willing to spend $800 or whatever the hell they are for basically the same thing. The only big difference is the optic cutout. Generally I recommend people carry a cheaper gun, provided it is reliable and of good quality, because if something does happen and the police confiscate it then you won't be out your super expensive pistol that you *may* never see again.

>>64010437
I'm really just hoping the prices are summer sucker/tard pricing. We have:
>$800 Colt flat top (~$700 got you one with an EO back in winter IIRC)
>$600 M4 RRA (I bought a not shit M4 style AR made by a big gun company for $500 with some nice furniture used not 10 years ago at a gun show FWIW)
>$700 RRA (neat but still RRA)
>$230 used RRA lower (lolwut)
>$800 M4 style Colt (nothing special, see point 2)
>$1k for the same but ooh old weaponlight and detachable carry handle)
>$600 RRA that looks like maybe HBAR?
>$700 RRA because ooh fixed carry handle M4 style
>$500 Windham 14.5 P&W that might be a pretty good deal; isn't Windham okay?
>$500 DPMS with a quadrail, might not be a bad choice, SS barrel
>$500 WW with a folding front sight and quadrail, might also be a good choice
>$700 RRA with funny upper =))))
It's like they realized they were actually pricing the Colts at a reasonable price and went fuck it we need to price them 1.5-2x as much, fuck the customer. And here I thought I'd be able to get an EOTech Colt or at least one with a fixed carry handle upper for what they were going for last winter. Believe it or not a local gun show had a rack of them at AIM prices and you could pick them up and look them over before buying. Like $550 maybe.

>>64010514
Are they basically the same?

>>64009569 (OP)
You should take a good self defense class instead

>>64010456
Yeah I think whatever is removing the background is messing with it, guitar centers used gear always looks weird because of this

>>64009569 (OP)
Your sheriff is a bitch. Also, you are a bitch. Trust strikers and get a Glock 19.

>>64009569 (OP)
>"Title says it all."
>proceeds to post multiple paragraphs to expand upon title
OP is gay, so a CZ P01 would be perfect for him.

>>64009569 (OP)
Upgrade your job, your broke ass nigga. Especially if you already have a CCW you carry.

>>64009569 (OP)
G19 is the jack of all trades

>>64010700
Fuck you bitch. SCCY is just as good.

>>64009569 (OP)
not reading all that but sell that gun you're holding to a guy with a thin blue line sticker on his car and buy a g19

>>64010700
>>64010967
>>64011058
Former glock 19 owner here, it was a piece of shit and I'm glad I sold it.

>>64011178
you cant shoot for shit is probably what the problem was. I've only ever owned glock handguns and after thousands of rounds the only malfunctions i've ever had were intentional for teaching tards like you how to use a gun

anybody who denies the reliability of glock is either

>someone who is a poorfag and still believes they are "expensive" (you can get a used glock for 300-500$ that will out perform any other modern manufacture fresh off the shelf)

>cant shoot them because they don't know how to properly hold a handgun (there are tons of you fags out there and it's embarassing, the gun isn't shooting low left, you are because you're retarded)

>thinks they're "over rated" (When it comes to life saving equipment, function talks, bullshit walks. There's a reason 90% of America's police carry glock and the US Military contracted glock for 20 years prior to Sig stealing the contract by putting out unsafe shit tier nigger guns

>>64009569 (OP)
Just get a P365/CSX/Hellcat. They're all in the same size class as your 938, so carrying will be easy and natural.
With double the capacity of the 938.

They all also have extended mags you can carry as your spare, if it makes you feel better.

And if that's still not enough capacity, the P365 and Hellcat both have a larger version. Two sizes up for the 365 even.

OP i want you to know I truly mean this:

the people saying anything other than Glock don't care about you or value your life.

there's hasn't been anything produced since Glock's conception that can even hold a flame to its reliability, any anyone who disagrees with that is coping for whatever personal issue they have with them.

Anyone who thinks Glock is the only company that can make a good striker fired handgun is either a retard, or just woke up from a coma they slipped into in the 90s.
The M&P line is exemplary.

>>64010580
>>64010303
>>64010514

They are not. I have an 80x. Besides the optic cut, the 80x has a vertec frame without the palm swell, magazine extensions to go to 15 rounds, a phenomenal upgraded trigger, and a picatinny rail.

And they definitely aren't $800 any more, I got mine for just over $500 at bass pro.

Personally, I would get the 84 if I was strapped for cash and not upgrading it, or planning on collecting. $299 is probably just over half of what they will be worth once supply dries up. But if I wanted something to burn a ton 380 comfortably, some upgradability and could afford something $5-600, and 80x is a good move.

>>64011278
Half the police shooting vids I see the police have to clear a jam
I know it's because they limp wristed, but I think that's a product of the high stress situation rather than poor training
I think Glocks are super reliable on the range but become less so in use

>>64011260
>you cant shoot for shit is probably what the problem was
I'm a fantastic shot, accuracy wasn't the issue with the glock, nor was whatever limp wrist meme you're probably going to refer to. After 2 trips back to glock they told me the gun is fine despite it not cycling most kinds of ammo, and even with fmj would fte with any magazine.

>>64011278
>There's a reason 90% of America's police carry glock
price
>US Military contracted glock for 20 years
M9 had a longer service life and many people hate on that too.

>>64011609
$500 definitely isn't expensive for a life depending firearm.

>>64011260
>>64011278
cool story noguns

>>64009569 (OP)
Hey OP, I'd go with the CSX e-series, specifically the 3.6 inch barrel variant. Only thing about is no option for a wml, if it's going to be your HD pistol as well. They make 17 round magazines for the CSX so you can swap between the 12's for carrying and a bigger backup. It isn't steel framed, but at least it's aluminum right? Good luck OP, take care of your dad

>>64011260
>t. ass mad glocksucker
Not everyone likes glocks, no need to get upset over it.

My, what a big hands you have!

>>64012908
esl

>>64009569 (OP)
Your sheriff only has one deputy? You must live in a sparsely populated area so you are probably fine with what you have

>>64009569 (OP)
Smith and Wesson Model 627, 8 shot .357 revolver cut for moon clips, snub nose 2.6 inch barrel.

>>64010366
Those APX are damn good pistols. Wife has one and it's her favorite shooter.

>>64013052
Thank you!

>>64010575
How badly did I fuck up? I bought a used police turn-in RRA for $850 a couple years ago buuuut was one of the original DEA/FBI contract rifles with rack numbers. Came with the og ARMS iron sights, LE charging handle and folding front sight, and an early weird Daniel Defense free floated quad rail. Admittedly I didn't know much about ARs back then, how much of this is coping?

desu I still love it

>>64009569 (OP)
If you’re still looking for something on the smaller side then I’d go with a CZ P01 or a Beretta 80X. I still own a 938, fucking hate that thing.

>>64010303
The 80X is much better. Double action trigger is ridiculously good. I own both, used to carry the 84.

>>64013366
That slide is ugly as shit.

>>64009569 (OP)
>smol 1911 style 380
Those were being made by Sig before that company went to shit right? I've seen a used one laying on the shelf for a while at my local FFL and I'm humoring it but I'm also averse to Nu-Sig for obvious reasons.
t. smol guns enjoyer
>I want to upgrade my concealed carry
Honestly it sounds like you just need to buy some lightweight soft body armor if shit's that bad there or better yet just move. I dunno what exactly to recommend so just cross-post this thread and ask the GearQueers what the current meta is for body armor that doesn't scream 'I'M WEARING BODY ARMOR GUYS!!'.
Get a Beretta M9, CZ75 compact, or 1911 in FORTY FIVE ACP-MORMON JESUS'S CALIBER TO WIN 2-WW'S AND A STALEMATE IN KOREA... and or get over your retarded strikerfired-phobia.

Also get Rottweiler and a bullshit license that says you can bring them anywhere you go because it's your emotional support animal or whatever.

>>64013285
It really depends rifle to rifle; I've never owned a RRA rifle because all I've heard about them is how much of a gamble it is rifle to rifle over the past 10 years. If yours works, it's worth it. But I've heard plenty of people who got stuck with lemons from RRA IIRC.
>RRA for $850 a couple years ago buuuut was one of the original DEA/FBI contract rifles with rack numbers. Came with the og ARMS iron sights, LE charging handle and folding front sight, and an early weird Daniel Defense free floated quad rail.
I think that's wayyyyyyy different from paying $600 for an otherwise normal RRA that never saw much use at bumbfuckville PD where it may have never had any bugs ironed out. That I would probably buy. The extras and source alone bring it from a $500 rifle up to $850 easily IMO.

>>64013609
Oh dope. Yeah it's never given me a single malfunction and I almost exclusively run cheap ammo through it. Feels smoother than my buddy's BCM uppers too

>>64009569 (OP)
CZ P01 sounds perfect for ur specs, recommend tlr7a light

Tho I gotta recommend the p09c nocturne thats out now, really solid upgrade over my p07 pictured. Ik no polymer, but anything with high capacity in metal really jumps up in weight as you'll prolly find out

>>64009975
Yeah…
I ended up switching it out for a P-01 and slapped a Surefire XC-2 on it.

>>64013207
They are arguably ugly but I regret picking up the compact when the rebate was on, even with the low capacity.

>>64013535
You have shit taste unless you can defend yourself.

>>64010976
SCCY has ceased operations. Black women looking for $200 purple handguns are going to have to find a new brand.

>>64013322
>I still own a 938, fucking hate that thing.
This post was written by lady hands.

>>64013543
The PX38 line is g2g. Sig owns the micro compact 1911 game.

>>64013897
Fugg
*not picking up
I remember seeing them commonly for ~$225 before shipping and transfer.
I swear one had $189, but high shipping.
That is on par or sub HiPoint and Taurus G series.
Shame the CZ Ps went so quick and demand got them marked up. Then they discontinued them.

>>64011928
Agreed. Even all kitted out, mine is about $1k, but I'd pay it again if it kept me alive.

But some guys got it rough, if the difference between $299 and $500 is eating til the next paycheck, I'd take the 299 and not look back.

>>64009569 (OP)
Fym I love that pistol, I'd get one now if they weren't like 500 still.
I carry a 1st gen M&P Shield, it's good. I'd like more ammo but whatcanyado.

>>64013910
>SCCY has ceased operations. Black women looking for $200 purple handguns are going to have to find a new brand.
Get the CEO's of Ruger on Black Twatter/X, WorldstarHipHop (if that's still a thing), plus buy up ad space after every Boondocks re-run on Cartoonnetwork/AdultSwim (if that's still a thing).
Fuck you now I feel old...
[spoiler]Personally I prefer the teal with stainless slide LCP more though.[/spoiler]

>>64011902
>less so in use
Never underestimate the stupidity of your typical 'shoot once a year for qualification' type cops. They don't, nor know how to, clean and service their guns. There was an anon on a threads way back that claimed to be a former armorer for a police department. Said nearly everyone didn't clean their guns, know how, or could even do a basic field strip. Any firearm, regardless of their rep, needs to be serviced now and then. Plus you see more glock cop videos because more departments use them compared to other good guns like M&P, etc.

>>64011913
They hated on them because they were beat ro crap, worn out, poorly serviced if at all, and got a bad rep because of it. The m9 series is great for anyone who has actually shot them a lot and maintained it.

>>64013934
>The PX38 line is g2g. Sig owns the micro compact 1911 game.
Noice to know, plus buying used ain't gonna put money in Cohen's hands so I'll just adopt the little fella next time I'm passing by.

>>64013535
get a Browning BDA 380, then
(same frame with enclosed slide)

>>64009569 (OP)
CSX E-Series
>comes in 3.1" or 3.6" barrel lengths
>has changable grip extensions to adjust grip length
>double stack, comes with 12, 15, and 17 round magazines
>SAO hammer fired with improved trigger over the original run

>>64009569 (OP)
Get a CZ P-01 or an HK P2000 or P30. All very proven double stack, hammer-fired firearms in the right size range to be great for both carry and home defense.

>>64018880
>buying used ain't gonna put money in Cohen's hands so I'll just adopt the little fella next time I'm passing
lol you’re gonna like it. I love my p938. It’s a snappy little fucker, but I don’t mind.

>>64009569 (OP)

cz 75 compact.

All steel, reliable as fuck, 15+1 double stacked.

if you plan to dry fire buy a rubber o-ring to use during dry fire practice to not damage the gun.

>>64009693
Is the body guard really that good? I asked for cc pistol suggestions in another thread and was recommended that gun twice. Though I really wish it was as concealable as a hellcat

>>64021857
10+1 rounds (+2 with ext. mag) of 380 that's on the upper end of pocketable and shoots very well for its size, especially compared to its direct competitors

If you want something in 9mm then this is a non-starter But in terms of 380 pocket pistols I think its one of, probably the best out there.

>>64009693
>>64009700
>>64021857
>>64021962
>S&W Bodyguard 2.0


Here is the OG debut topic (note the haters)
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/62053127

>>64021857
As far as .380s go? It's easily top of its class. It has a 10+1 capacity and the grip is a decent bit bigger than other handguns despite being smaller than many other micro compacts with lower capacity. It's actually big enough for me to wrap all of my fingers around without hanging off, which combined with low bore axis+high grip placement makes recoil very easy to control.
Of course, if you want a 9mm or higher caliber that's a different discussion. Never shot the Springfield Hellcat but it looks good on paper.

>>64021471
replacing the roll pin with a stronger one also works

>>64009569 (OP)
>I don't trust striker guns
ok
>and I'm not really into polymer either.
fine, whatever
>I want a double stack
mhmmm
>insanely reliable firearm I can trust my life with.
uh huh
>Preferably steel framed.
sure buddy

>I love the idea behind the cz75 rami bd
thats nice dear

but I guess it's hard to find a used one at a reasonable price because they stopped making them.
>yeah

Options would be
CZ Rami
CZ75 Compact
Beretta 92 Compact

Consider a P30 or P2000 if you arent dedicated to steel frame but truly hate striker guns

no one ever suggests a firestar because this board is full of lemmings.

>>64022329
>S&W Bodyguard 2.0
the thing about it (irrespective of striker-fired or caliber chambering) is that, Smith & Wesson somehow managed to make a tiny semiauto that can actually be fully 3-finger grasped by small to medium sized hands, and that also points and shoots like a normal compact or full size handgun. It's just really tiny, probably the best tiny semiauto of the past 80 years

>>64022329
>It's easily top of its class.

Eh, the 80x cheetah is better by a long shot.

>>64022966
Not really the same category. The 80X might be a better shooter but it's significantly larger and heavier, plus it's a hammer+metal frame vs a plastic striker.

>>64022966
The only thing it has in common is the caliber
The cheetah is for people who want to a 9mm compact without the 9mm

>>64021857

Got one for the wife as a purse gun. It impressed me so much I bought myself one and is now my daily carry.

Two things to look out for though:
1: initial batches sometimes had a small imperfection "ledge" on the feed ramp. It's very easy to spot so just take a look to make sure the one you're buying doesn't have it, or just get it filed down.
2: The sights are not lined up out of factory. Needed to get both mine and my wife's fixed but that was only ~$20 at my local range

After that it's incredible

>>64023053

*polished down
Neither of mine had it but I've heard other people say they did when it was new

>>64022426
Well I can safely say I didn't recommend it because my experience with the Star BM left me with a bit of a sour taste in my mouth towards Star. The steel is just something else. Maybe it's just the refurbed guns that have issues but mine broke a barrel link in the first mag. The one reviewer I watched had the same happen to him. I fit a new US made barrel link only for the slide stop crosspin to bend next. Maybe my recoil spring needed replacing but that seems excessive for a gun that I haven't put 50 rounds through. Maybe Star's commercial guns were better but fuck me did I get screwed by buying a surplus BM.

>>64022966
I'm not the biggest fan of the 80x's flat ass. Funny enough I like it on the 92 Vertecs but the 80x, I think, needs a little bit of an ass to it like the old 84s. The safety also just sits in a weird position for my finger on the 80x; I think I'd like the original 84s better (B/BB). Obligatory NTA/not OP, I just happened to be shopping for an 84 recently. I was also surprised at just how small the 80xs are once I got one in hand; I figured they'd be a hair bigger.

>>64023018
>>64023034
Oh wow. I didn’t know they were that off in size.

>>64023114
Yeah, I have a launch edition and it’s uncomfortable to shoot two handed. You can buy wrap around grips but they’re pricey and it’s gay you have to buy them if you’re a man. I swear they designed this gun for women. Like the PDP-F but they didn’t say the quiet part out loud.

>>64011260
>I've only ever owned glock handguns
Do you ever think that your refusal to branch out to different models is hindering your overall growth as a shooter?

>>64023144
It's funny because the 21A (tiny) seems pretty comfy from my limited range time. I haven't been able to track down an old 84 in person but the 80x is easy as you just go to a large chain gun store. I must have some in-between hand size because the 92FS feels better vertec but the 80x (vertec) is too small. The 84 non vertec will probably fit just right but the 21A (non-vertec, way tinier) is also comfy. Maybe that's why I can never find gloves that fit. Either way, unfortunately I'm going to have to put my want for an 84 off a little bit. The imports come in batches, though, so I don't think I'm totally fucked if I miss this batch.

As for the 92s, I think maybe they should've just had dovetailed backstraps with a screw to attach like plenty of other handguns do (albeit mostly polymer ones). Slide in from bottom, screw to secure. Yes then they have to make two backstraps but it would make everyone happy when it comes to vertec/no vertec. Change from one to the other with a backstrap and a new set of grip panels in like 5 minutes. Beretta, if you're listening, I'll give that idea for free. I already have a strong suspicion that I influenced a small company to make a product (via posts here) I swear to god no one else ever even mentioned once lol. Though injection molded TPU (?) grips with a wraparound rear are probably way cheaper and easier in the long run.

>>64009569 (OP)
Kal-tec P32. I like mine. it is the prefect pocket pistol. you can get a good pocket holster and wear it with shorts and no shirt as well. no one even knows you have it. It is not a distance gun though. good for up close and personal. from 0 -10 feet.

>>64022966
>>64023018
I've owned both and sold the 80X after the BG2.0 came out. The Bodyguard flat out shoots better than the Cheetah, hands down. I couldn't believe it at first, but it's really all in the recoil system, not the weight. The 80X is punchy, not as bad as an 84, but there's only so much they can do with direct blowback. The short recoil tilting barrel in the BG makes it shoot like a full size gun. It's actually fun to practice with, I can't say that about any other .380. I wanted to love the Cheetah but it's just not that great.

>>64021857
I'd say yeah. it's very comfortable in the hand and way easier to shoot than it has any right to be considering the size. only downside is 380 costing 50% more than 9mm

>>64023296

I think the bodyguard 2.0 might become so popular 380 will get cheaper due to all the demand for it. Not saying it'll get down to 9mm levels, but I think it'll drop.

>>64009569 (OP)
>I don't trust striker guns, and I'm not really into polymer either. I want a double stack, insanely reliable firearm I can trust my life with. Preferably steel framed.

Beretta M9. PX4 Storm reliability (and accuracy) also great. Add an extra mag (or two) to the belt and get something comfy to carry them all.

>>64023306
oh yeah it'll never drop to 9mm levels because of nato, but i think it'll end up like 223 v 556 where the civilian market just goes full into 380 because it's easier to conceal and most people aren't open carrying nowadays.

>>64010337
Sorry you have weak wrists

>>64009569 (OP)
Smith and Wesson ezplus in .30 supercarry. 13 rounds flush, 16 with a normal man's grip. Stronger, better pen and ballistics than .380. Slimmer than a single stack 9. Comes optics-cut with a glowing rear sight.

>>64011932
its happened quite a bit to my gen3. fixed it right up though. good luck

>>64023296
isnt the shield plus the same idea?

>>64023514
it's way more concealable though. basically an underwear gun that you can shoot out to 25y, with a round that is way less gimped than 22/25/32. if it expands it's frighteningly close to 9mm, and from what i've seen the expansion with modern ammo is pretty reliable

Glock 43 or S&W Shield Plus

>>64025159
red team or blue team

>>64010575
IIRC Windham was started by the people who left the original Bushmaster. Should be gtg.

>>64011307
>M&P 2.0 mogs Gock in every reliability test
cope

>>64013157
He said he was having trouble with roving gangs of future doctors and engineers

>>64025328
>Muh YouTube video "tests"
According to the FBI, the gen 5 G19 is the most reliable firearms they have ever tested

>>64025369
According to the FBI penis tastes delicious

>>64024896
I bet your gunt is really loud when you slap it

>>64009569 (OP)
Well these people usually have glocks with 30round magazines and switches installed so ideally something high capacity maybe a beretta 92

>>64021857
> Though I really wish it was as concealable as a hellcat

Bodyguard 2.0 is tiny, the proportions just make it look like a full-sized handgun in pictures

>>64021404
>HK P2000
Don't get the sk, mine was a piece of shit.

>>64022329
>>64021962
I do hear how easy the bodyguard 2.0 is to shoot. I just want to try for myself. I've already tried shooting a hellcat pro in my range and man I did not like how uncomfortable it was. So I imagine the micro compaxt osp version would be even worse. Gonna go try out the bodyguard today

But man I wish they were giving as good a deal for the bodyguard as this hellcat
https://grabagun.com/springfield-armory-hellcat-osp-9mm-3-barrel-11-13-rounds-ct1500-red-dot-5-mags-white-u-dot-sights.html
>>64028115
You're right my bad

>>64028186
Elaborate?

>>64023296
Damn, I didn't know the BG 2.0 was that compact. It's... sexy.

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>>64028115
Just shot the bodyguard. Is it supposed to shoot lower left or is it me? I handed the thing to a friend at the range and he had similar problems

>>64025159
Why are you comparing a single and a staggered stack?
Shouldn't it be Shield Plus vs G26?

>>64031289
This is a universal issue with all of them yeah, The sights out of the box need to be pushed. the gun has been fine for me otherwise.

>>64009569 (OP)
cz shadow compact carry,

glock19ish sized cz 75 with all the best feautres, you can put a reddot and light on there.

smith and wesson CSX if you want something small but hammer fired, no ability to mount a light tho.

Your sheriff is a faggot pussy, most of the time even packs of criminals go running when they receive fire, they want easy targets.

IMO go with the shadow CZ, alternatively you can look at some of FNS hammer fired options but they may be a bit big.

The only other viable options will be things like bul armory 2011s or some sort of beretta with your stipulations, unless you wanna go down to a 380 beretta doesnt make any good guns imo because of the dogshit safety.