Thread 64010131

>Under a scheme first trialled last year and dubbed "Army of Drones: Bonus" (also known as "e-points"), units can earn points for each Russian soldier killed or piece of equipment destroyed. And like a killstreak in Call of Duty, or a 1970s TV game show, points mean prizes [described later as "extra equipment."]

>"The more strategically important and large-scale the target, the more points a unit receives," reads a statement from the team at Brave 1, which brings together experts from government and the military. "For example, destroying an enemy multiple rocket launch system earns up to 50 points; 40 points are awarded for a destroyed tank and 20 for a damaged one."

>Call it the gamification of war.
Merits behind gamification? Would it make annoyng GWOT SOF vets seethe?

article here
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c80p9k1r1dlo

>>64010131 (OP)
they better give bonus points for particularly flashy or hilarious ones

>>64010131 (OP)
They used to do crowdfunding for drones and reward backers with exclusive kino videos of the drones killing a zig. Make this an official program and open it to the whole world. Have tiers and rewards. The S-tier backers get to piggy back on the live FPV feed or get higher payload drones.

>>64010150
i doubt they want to incentivize soldiers to give up easy practical kills to do stupid (yet amusing) shit

>>64010131 (OP)
Russians aren't Human so there is nothing wrong with this.

>>64010131 (OP)
It’s a stupid system to cover up the fact that hohols can’t supply their troops properly because zelensky embezzled the aid. Instead of saying “we can’t give you a drone because we sold it to help pay for zelensky’s villa in italy”, they say “we can’t give you a drone because we didnt give you points”

>>64010150
They should use the system from Dead Rising 1

>>64010131 (OP)
sounds based, anything that can kill more ziggers is good with me

>>64010131 (OP)
>tfw you don't get reward points for killing commies
How is this even fair?

>>64010131 (OP)
How many kills for an airstrike?

>>64010504
>zelensky embezzled
Shit, that explains all the M113s and Patriot batteries for sale at my local used car dealership.

Stop pushing this retarded narrative Ardjun, no one is buying it.

>>64010131 (OP)
>GWOT SOF vets
Playing in the sand with some underdeveloped goatfuckers is too to wild to claim veterancy IMO

>>64010584
wdym? ukies get rewards, the more you kill the more equipment you get to kill more

>This is bad because humanity or smt
Ancient armies would have raped everything that moves and later use it has human shields.
this is nothing compared to that.
And even that.wasnt bad.
See Nitzsche Genealogy of morality.
The modern way of thinking is due tp christian slave morality+Women opinions on war.

>>64010763
yeah but if I go out and kill a commie all I'm gonna get for my trouble is a murder charge

>>64010131 (OP)
Delta-anon was posting about this stuff months ago, haven't seen him around in a while.

>>64010786
Maybe Delta didn't like having her secrets shared

I'm just wondering how does it make sense to give equipment to the best units vs to units under most pressure. Are the highest scoring units usually under the most pressure also? Equipment should go where it's needed.

>>64010855
the points system helps determine who is most in need by assigning drones to units that get kills

>>64010771
not in Ukraine

My life is like a video game
Trying hard to beat the stage
All while I am still collecting coins

>>64010131 (OP)
>Merits behind Gamification
dibs and flair to boost troop morale.
middle management gets some quantifiable figures to put on their power-point slides.
state media can report on the latest epic kill streaks in a more impersonal matter.
>>64010150
>achievement unlocked

>>64010769
You're right, but
>Christian morality
is not a bad thing

>>64010131 (OP)
Rather based tbqh

>>64011405
It's bad because it allows truly evil people like r*ssians to cry victimhood

>>64011405
He's a kike who doesn't know a thing about history.
Most wars in Christendom were waged honorably, according to rules governing jus in bello. Even in quite recent times, e.g. in literally every war in Europe in the 18th and 19th centuries (see, for instance, 1870,) the combatants conducted themselves honorably.
Kikes HATE this, because their way of war is always total war, and they particularly delight in harming civilians. NAFO also hates this, because (as the last Pope noted,) a condition of jus ad bellum is that there must be a hope of success, and Ukraine no longer really has that, so it's fighting a "last stand" in a way that old Christendom would find distasteful.

>>64011434
Define "success". Unless EU drop all support for Ukraine, it is impossible for Russia to get tangible gain. They are on the offensive since the Trump election and they gained what? An hundred of hamlets (pop.200) eand some thousand square kms of tundra?
Victory condition for Ukraine was to retain statehood, possibly repel all the invaded territory (not gonna happen unless Vlad dies and Russia descend in turmoil for the nth time), victory condition for Russia at the beginning was to installa a puppet state in Kiev and absorb Ukraine. Good luck with that

>>64011434
>year 4 he repeats the same cope from day 3
amazing

>>64011434
That's nice headcanon you constructed anon. I don't why you're trying to quote latin and twisting its meaning though

Jus ad bellum refers to the conditions under which states may resort to war. Which brings up the fact that the justification for Russian aggression is vague at best of times oscillating between bringing up the 12th century Prince Kuracslav and blaming NATO, NAZIS and Boris Johnosn for the Russian invasion.

In other words, you're fucking retarded and your appeal to christian values in the face of mongol barbarians is hilarious.

>>64011447
And what did Ukraine gain since then? They seem awfully wasteful of their own men and foreign dollars and equipment. A sober analysis of their situation would have benefitted them all; instead they're being led (by a Jew, unsurprisingly,) into a typical total war/last stand disaster. The population is way down and is not going to recover. They are set to lose land which they cannot recover. It is a great shame, but when a nation cannot win its boys should not be compelled to lay down their lives. Trust instead in the most high.

>>64010131 (OP)
The only thing that bothers me more than the retards from /pol/ is these heartless bastards making all these threads about cruelty to animals, killing animals, or about dead animals. It's fucking sick, every time I see this I have to tell you what a vile, disgusting, repulsive piece of filth you are. Scum of the earth, then I hide the thread

>>64011448
My post contained both:
> jus in bello
Rules of war.
> Jus ad bellum
When war can be waged.
Self-defense is inherently a just cause, but in Christendom it has always been viewed as ethically impermissible to sacrifice lives in a lost cause.

>>64011434
You probably have literature proving you right? Or is this headcanon?

>>64011456
In Christendom the Russian invasion would be considered illegal and Russia would be excommunicated. You're not arguing for that though, what you're doing is pretending that Ukraine is fighting a 'lost cause' so you can invoke Christian values, which you do not actually believe in, and argue for surrender to the party that is violating the law and has its church ran by the FSB.

>>64011450
Lol, fuck off vatnik. You couldn't take it by force and you wont take it by whining.

>>64011460
There's entire books on the subject, but here:
> https://iep.utm.edu/justwar
> "The next principle is that of reasonable success. This is another necessary condition for waging just war, but again is insufficient by itself. . . . the thrust of the reasonable success principle emphasizes that human life and economic resources should not be wasted in what would obviously be an uneven match. For a nation threatened by invasion, other forms of retaliation or defense may be available, such as civil disobedience, or even forming alliances with other small nations to equalize the odds."
See also:
> https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/pope-says-ukraine-should-have-courage-white-flag-negotiations-2024-03-09/
He wasn't wrong.

>>64011434
> and Ukraine no longer really has that, so it's fighting a "last stand" in a way that old Christendom would find distasteful.
Hey I remember this tune, goes something like "Kherson is Russian forever!" right?
How'd that work out?
Seriously though, fuck off and kill yourself.

>>64011471
Ukraine winning means avoiding getting turned into poorer Belarus and they can do it by staying indipendent even at the cost of bombed lands
Bergoglio was a west hating thirworldists retard

>>64011450
amazing projection as usual.
putin is a jew and you know it.
russia has already lost and you know it.

>>64011466
> pretending that Ukraine is fighting a 'lost cause'
> pretending
Are you ignorant of the state of things? It's not going to end with Ukraine getting any of its land back. The only questions are how much will it lose, and how many more men on both sides will die rather pointlessly.

>>64011476
>they can do it by staying indipendent
No such thing next to Russia, you will simply attack again and again. It's your MO.
Also, Ukraine will be Marshall planned.

>>64011479
>kherson is forever russian
we've heard this song before you absolute clown. you will see ukrainian flag in sevastopol and you will cope and seethe.

>trumpet is about to fuck russian 'allies'
Oh, I see now, go ahead with your shilling little zigger go right ahead.

>>64011482
Yes that's why they have to keep fighting now that they still have western supplies until Russia is utterly spent

>>64011434
>Most wars in Christendom were waged honorably, according to rules governing jus in bello.
There were no unifying rules of war in the time periods you lionize.
>. Even in quite recent times, e.g. in literally every war in Europe in the 18th and 19th centuries (see, for instance, 1870,) the combatants conducted themselves honorably.
Absolutely false. Wars in the 18th and 19th centuries are characterized by brutality and increasing totality. This is headcanon.
>because (as the last Pope noted,) a condition of jus ad bellum is that there must be a hope of success
This is false. There is does not exist some ethereal common Christian warcode that states a war is just if it can be won.
>it's fighting a "last stand" in a way that old Christendom would find distasteful.
Old Christendom did not find last stands distasteful. This is headcanon.
>>64011456
>>> Jus ad bellum
>When war can be waged.
This phrase means "just war", not your headcanon term.
>Self-defense is inherently a just cause, but in Christendom it has always been viewed as ethically impermissible to sacrifice lives in a lost cause.
This is bullshit.

>>64011471
First of all your source is an article by some guy named Alexander Moseley signing it off with an icould email and who owns a really shitty personal website. The citation you provide does not claim that this is what "old Christendom" would've thought. He doesn't even provide an indirect quote from any source such as Augustine. This retard would also conclude that Finnish winter war was an "unjust" war on behalf of Finland, because there was seemingly no hope of success.

Also the pope doesn't say "stop fighting because Christianity doesn't permit self-defense if no chance of success exists" in that reuters article. He asks for negotiations.

>>64010218
From a uke: Don't doubt that.

>>64011479
>Are you ignorant of the state of things?
You obviously are though. This the 4th year of the war in which Russia failed to achieve any of its objectives while people like you have been saying the same thing practically from day 1.

You have no credibility left and have not been taken seriosuly for a long time now. That's why you mostly get ridicule and get called retarded.

>>64011493
What do you suggest is a realistic endgame?

>>64011473
>>64011483
Notice how he studiously ignores these two posts. He desperately doesn't want it acknowledged that Ukraine took back territory and can again.

>>64011482
That's not how it actually works. Russia will just attack up until they can't due to military, economic or political realities and all are converging at the same time at varying speeds. Ukraine can't "win" the war but they can make it so expensive that eventually Russia has to de-escalate the war to a less intense conflict. Ironically enough Russia is scared shitless of actually ending the war because the war actually sustains the status quo and if it ended they'd have a million societal issues erupting simultaneously. In all likelihood Russia will not demobilize a large portion of the current force even if the war ended tomorrow because if they did it would cause absolutely fuckmassive issues within Russia. The other issue with transitioning back to a peacetime economic model is that if you actually follow the news from Russia you have a simultaneous case of record low unemployment which is ironically enough an incredible bad thing, record high borrowing costs for companies, a lot of signals from abroad and not just the west that investing into Russia is too risky to consider and further capital flight is likely. If Russia gets desperate enough to continue the war they can take loans from China with their oil fields as collateral which China would gladly take them up on but it would absolutely gigafuck Russia in the future to an extent that is hard to describe in words.

>>64011497
We've already seen in a number of occasions that Russian morale at the front line is extremely brittle. A significant shock could easily cause the complete disintegration of the Russian line and that could come from an expanding list of possibilities, running from Putin getting couped to NATO stepping in.
The situation for Russia is bad and getting worse all the time, Ukraine simply has to hold on.

>>64011434
You dumb fucking book wank, that's complete bullshit. Every single time everyone shows up all full of honor and it devolves into subhuman slaughter immediately. Jus Ad Bellum my ass, Ukraine isn't causing the fucking war... are you this stupid nigger?
https://www.beyondintractability.org/essay/jus_ad_bellum
"Last Stand" yes retard you'd fight to death not to be part of the rape-slave empire run by literally non-white faggots. Fuck why do you even breathe?

>>64010131 (OP)
>Merits behind gamification?
efficient allocation of resources, if you kill lots of russians you get more resources to be even deadlier, and if you're not then you don't

>>64011456
RULES OF WAR ARE FICTION
Your mental illness is preventing you from seeing reality.
JUS AD BELLUM
Never once adhered to by anyone, anywhere, ever. In fact you just blew right past the original Martyr concept.
Goddamn, do you drink detergents?

>>64011497
The collapse of the Russian state is more realistic than Ukranian surrender.

The Russian economy is already showing sever cracks under the weight of sustaining this war and once there's no money left to dump into the economy, inflation runs rampart and banks start failing it will all go downhill from there. They're using up all their fiscal reserves, 2/3 of which has been depleted, to keep the war economy running, that is by definition not a sustainable.

>>64011513
>>64011520
It's particularly grotesque that he cites this shit after Bucha and all the disgusting shit Russians pull in occupied territory. They literally had special torture rooms for CHILDREN in Kherson the Ukrainians discovered.
Yes you fucking faggot, I would fight to the absolute death in a last stand to prevent my children from having to live in a place like Russia which tortures children.

>>64011471
Amazing, not a single listed reference or source has ever been in a war except two, and as refugees.

>>64011502
Oh look, another Russian war ends and it's soldiers who were just glorious heroes are now militant plotting wreckers and traitors and must be jailed. Great idea that patriotism thing you got.

I love it when the retard gay rape army of one legged privates appears to defend God, high on bath salts, clutching heretical bibles, and has to march on threat of execution so niggers can be shipped in to fuck their women at home.

>>64011526
This guy also gets it:
> https://firstthings.com/just-war-principles-in-ukraine/
> It may be gallant to fight what one knows is a losing battle, but according to just war teaching, doing so reflects pagan vanity, not Christian moral judgment. A wise leader does not embark on unrealistic enterprises, especially when lives are at stake.
> So, I return to the moral principles of just war. Among them is the following: It is immoral to unleash the violence of war when objectives cannot be achieved, however just those objectives may be. The Ukrainian army is unable to bring an end to hostilities by achieving victory. The nations of the West are unwilling to enter the fray with sufficient force and commitment. These seem to be indisputable facts. Moral reasoning must reckon with realities. Trump’s thinking is far removed from reflection on just war theory. But he is acknowledging reality and taking the steps necessary to put an end to a war that cannot be won. No doubt many mothers and fathers whose sons have died in the last two years of fruitless combat may have wished that the negotiations in Saudi Arabia had taken place in 2023.
When the probability of success approaches zero, when further fighting can only multiply suffering, and when credible diplomatic off-ramps appear, the Christian moral imperative shifts from "resist at all costs" to "save as many lives as possible."
As of July 2025, Ukraine appears to meet all three conditions. Surrender -- on the best negotiated terms available -- is therefore the ethically required course.
There is a lot of willful blindness and bad council going around. Think for a moment how this may multiply actual suffering. Do you think you will not answer for it? It stains your soul whether you know it or not.

>>64011434
There is not a single point in history where muscovite/russian warriors looked like that. Stop larping as some kind of based christian (you are not one) roman (lmao) crusader (you fucking horde nigger)

>>64011541
Multiply actual suffering.
Two outcomes.
One: Russia wins, Ukrainian culture and language erased, millions murdered in camps AGAIN, genetic destruction of all ukrainian families.
Two: The nigger drunk nation of faggots is gone and can't fuck with it's neightbors.

GEE WHICH ONE... but whatever, even citing your bullshit is entering la-la-idiot land. Just War exists on paper and you don't even advocate for the principals you cite.
I bet you're brown.

>>64011541
>When the probability of success approaches zero
Except we are far from that point. As the Kherson example above shows. Your bullshit is old and tired. Oh and you are a war propagandist which is considered a warcrime. Lord Haw Haw was shot after WW2.

>>64011541
Interesting how all of these "just war" retards you cite approach the question from the perspective that Russia dindu nuffin. It is absolutely a fact that the "old Christendom" and the papacy that you so lionize would have excommunicated Russia for its dishonorable assault without a declaration of war, justified by a myriad different fantastical reasons, and waged against another Christian nation, you fucking faggot.
>When the probability of success approaches zero, when further fighting can only multiply suffering, and when credible diplomatic off-ramps appear, the Christian moral imperative shifts from "resist at all costs" to "save as many lives as possible."
Interesting how this is only ever approached from the viewpoint that Ukraine must stop resisting, and not the dishonorable aggressor nation.

>>64011541
>....but according to just war teaching...
According to whom? Augustine? Isidore? Thomas Aquinas? Each and everyone of them would disagree wit that fucking retard who you cite as some authority. Where is this "just war teaching" that says self-defense becomes dishonorable after a certain point?

>>64011434
>Ukraine no longer really has that
Wrong

>>64011434
>No, I'm not a mentally unhinged freak, why do you ask?

>>64010150
How do you think the combo meter would work?
Is it a once per run thing, where you have to strive for multi-kills, or would it carry over between runs and only end when you miss?

>>64010131 (OP)
Honestly, it's not a bad way of working out which of the thousands of drone teams should be given the more more advanced equipment that is in low supply.
If you have one team that is getting a high score due to multiple vehicle hits, you know that they need the drones with the heavier payloads, whilst if another is getting their high score from blowing up bikes and ATV's, you know they'll need more agile FPV drones.

>>64010218
I don't know, it could make them learn how to pull of tricky, but very effective shots, like flying drones in through a window or landing consecutive hits on vehicle weak points.

>>64010786
Maybe there's no new developments, maybe they've made hundreds of these things...

https://youtu.be/I44_zbEwz_w

...and they're now going to let Delta physically dropkick and suplex hapless mobiks now.

>>64011450
>led (by a Jew, unsurprisingly
Shalomova

>>64011483
>you will see ukrainian flag in sevastopol and you will cope and seethe
Nah, they'll turn on a dime and say that it was always ukirainian and russia never occupied it and never tried to annex ukraine, since "if it actually wanted to, it would have done so" and all that shit. This ability to lie without even trying to be consistent is one of their specialties. You can literally go into RU part of the internet and see how when it's convenient they write about people from crimea and donbas as "those stinky khokhols" kek, while 5 minutes ago they are "their russian brothers" and shit.

>>64011541
>Surrender -- on the best negotiated terms available -- is therefore the ethically required course.
>surrender by dismantling the army
>oy vey why did they attack 5 minutes after that