How many of them are in service right now?

>>64013732 (OP)
kys chinkspammer

By the time it matters, they'll vastly outnumber the F-35.

enough to kick american ass

>>64013732 (OP)
>>64013745
>>64013756
samefag

>>64013732 (OP)
>innocuous question
>picture of a chink 4th gen
>thread will inevitably devolve into the OP shilling for china, having a melty and then calling everyone a mutt

pre-emptive seethe extracting image deployed

*Ahem*
Taiwan number one!

~400.
500 by the end of this year

>>64014892
so like 150 total in reality?

>>64013732 (OP)
The last figure I heard (from about 3 weeks ago) was at ~ 200

I heard it was over 400 by this point

https://web.archive.org/web/20240611150941/https://thediplomat.com/2024/06/chinas-6th-generation-and-upcoming-combat-aircraft-2024-update/

According to the diplomat it was around 300 in mid 2024 so around 400 in mid 2025 sounds about right

>>64013732 (OP)
always n+200, n being the last figure that was reported

>>64014892
>F-22: Controlled roll that comes to a halt when the pilot wants
>J-20: Starts flailing around the air like a retard as the pilot hopes it doesn't become an irrecoverable spin

>>64014892
Lol did this dumbass chink mean to post a video showing the J-20's shittier nose authority? oh but the pilot can do more aileron rolls!

>>64015057
>die for Israel
>constantly talk about "nose" authority
ngmi

>>64015057
>HIMARS MEASLEY 6 WHEELS?!
poor mutts; URUGAN HAS 8 (ATE)
> FAIL-22 MEASLEY 2 ROLLS?!
poor mutts; J-20 DID 10

J-20 THE SIX WING ANGEL
SOUTH CHINA SEA THE 9 DASH LINE
TIME CHINA WINNING THE 12 MONTH YEAR

>>64015090
I'LL SHOW YOU NOSE AUTHORITY
>*sticks dick in nostril*

>>64015103
That picture was true in the year 2000
Now China is the global leader in drone technology that is revolutionizing warfare in Ukraine as we speak

>>64014892
>F-22 needs afterburners in order to climb
The fake specs of the F-119 were true?

>>64015269
yea

>>64015160
>Now China is the global leader in drone technology
outdone by Turkey

>>64015289
damn the ws15 stats look pretty insane. Doesn't that mean the j36 might have 140k lbf of thrust?

>>64015160
Wouldn't the war make Ukraine the pioneer then, you slant-eyed meatdrone?

>>64015351
they still have trouble mass producing the new WS15. But the current WS10(?) met the early design spec of the original WS15. So I guess that will do for now.

>>64015355
implessive!

>>64015160
>revolutionizing
It isn’t, and china isn’t the leader in drones
You’re a retarded dronebrained faggot.

>>64015289
>if i spam this image hard enough it will undo the reality that chink engines are way weaker than american engines
Embarrassing behaviour, chinkshill

OP comes here to savor the abuse, then switches tabs to /gif/ WMAF threads.
You're a naughty chink-- a VERY naughty chink, OP

>Why are they so many china thread??? I hate them!!! Go back!!!
>Make a china post
>100 of you line up immediately seething from both side
yeah man, why do ppl make them? Maybe stop giving them attention?

>Why are there so many china thread??? I hate them!!! Go back!!!
>Make a china post
>100 of you line up immediately seething from both side
yeah man, why do ppl make them? Maybe stop giving them attention?

>>64015377
nice projection, kid.

>>64015289
>>64015269
Can the F-22 even supercruise with the real specs of those engines?

>>64015289
the only thing you prove when you post this is that you cant read. whatever you think its proving is fanfic you conjured up and probably only works on the other thirdies who dont bother to read and take you at your word for it. you know what engines are underpowered though, is the J-36's which by China's own admission needs 3 of them as a brute force solution

>>64015469
that's a lot of cope there. Calm down, bud. Maybe the next engine america make will have a twr of 10. Not all is lost

>>64015368
Impressive cope Mr.Martinez! Truly U.S.A number UNO!

>>64015435
lol true. China threads are the best way to get (you)s from both sides, no wonder everyone loves to make them

>>64015469
F-119 and F-135 were marketed to have TWR of 9 and 11 respectively. That was taken as fact until the real weights of both engines were revealed from shipping receipts. You can cope all you want.

>>64015478
let me know when china has actually developed any of its own engines. so far, ws-15 has only been seen on a single testbed. ws-10 is another chink reverse engineered copy and before that, the j-20 had to equip slavshit engines

>>64015577
yawn

wake me up when chink engines stop shitting the bed after 500 hours

>>64015577
we've already been over this retarded "gotcha" chang, there's no conspiracy. how could they have lied about the F-119's weight when you're sourcing it from publicly available documentation? The only one conflating the two different weights is you. The lower weight is the F-119 without the thrust vectoring nozzles because the latter would be supplied by Lockheed, not P&W. P&W recorded the weight of the engine without it because that's what it weighs by itself you dumb insect

Not enough to win.
Still running last gen engines for most or entirety too.
>>64014892
Lol
LMAO, even.

>>64014892
>A.I. vs leisurely standard climb
Implessive

>>64015579
At this point, the Russians are probably selling them Saturns happily.

>>64015090
>Die because your masters can't make chips and are butthurt people don't want to be commie.
How is that sub fleet, ching-a-ling?
你的祖母曾是日本慰安妇,她喜欢这样。

>>64015351
The weight is a straight lie. That stripped down wind tunnel/dyno.
>>64015355
Please.
>>64015441
It isn't even questioned. It's fact.

>>64015581
Now that they now they can make the engines twice as heavy since the unicorn TWR numbers were fake, that's no longer a problem.

>>64015583
So the TWR of F-119 and F-135 have always been 7 and 6.7? And Supercruise capability of the F-22 were also fake?

they should do something different with the paint job

od green would look nice

>>64015599
is it not a problem that chink engines without a thrust vectoring nozzle are still complete trash compared to US ones with one?

>>64015604
no, but TWR of WS-10 is zero because it simply doesn't work and chink planes are wooden mockups and repainted russian crap

>>64014892
>Brand new plane pushed to the limits equals plane designed 3 decades ago doing barely above base routine
wow
>>64015604
再加把劲

>>64015599
It doesn't matter how heavy Chang makes the W10C, it's still going to have a TBO of 400 hours.

>>64015611
WS-10 exists, all known J-20s still run it because WS-15 has never been seen as full integration in a flying example.
No thrust vector installations have been seen yet.

>>64015619
>WS-10 exists
and it doesn't work
>all known J-20
plywood mockups

chinks cannot cobble together a working jet engine and have to suck russian dick to get anything working

>>64015435
>make china thread in bad faith
>post passive aggressive question the vein of the 200 identical chink cope threads that came before, that all ended up being made by a bad-faith OP
>surprised that people build up an immunity and start detecting it.

>>64015619
TBF, maybe they are hiding it, but China still works on Soviet model
>Claim high before realization, underdeliver
vs US model
>Deny existence, blow everyone's minds when it debuts

>>64015492
You’re so mad lmao, it’s hilarious watching you guys humiliate yourselves for a shred of attention.
Dance for me, chinkshill.

>>64015621
WS-10 exists and flies. Those numbers are assuredly bogus but it is in flight.
Underestimating your enemy is a mortal sin. But believing commie numbers is foolhardy.

>>64015435
Honestly the best argument to ban all china related threads. Cletuses are baiting each other constantly and incapable of keeping their emotion in check.

>>64015632
>WS-10 exists and flies
pigs fly more than chinese jets
>Underestimating your enemy is a mortal sin
says the chinkshill begging for attention

>>64015638
Nigger, please. They are desperate to match us and can force design and manufacture under threat of engineer's loved one being sent to organ camps.
They send spies contantly and don't care what it costs.
To think that they haven't been able to reproduce specs of 3 decades old engines is dangerous hubris.
Their pilots are still below ours and their command structure is hampered inherently by being commie and bug minded.
But I am not going to fool myself that they cannot make a new engine that is at least comparable.

>>64015646
da, i am too John Cheeseburger of Ohio district and am worried about chinese being so very advanced and stronk. anything short of repeating their propaganda ad nauseam is underestimating them and shouldn't be allowed because reasons. long live the CCP

>>64015656
Where is your rebuttal?
It's decades old tech and they have been busted repeatedly for IP theft.
If you want to believe our biggest enemy somehow cannot make last gen jet engines then it is for the best that you are just a nobody and not Chairforce brass or on the appropriations committee.

>>64015661
da, our biggest and most advanced enemy is very big and advanced. we must transmit their propaganda out of every hole lest we underestimate them somehow in any way for any reason which would be bad, apparently.

get new material brownoid.

>>64015668
You are all that is wrong with nu/k/
You may as well be an ostrich or the ordnance board interwar.

>>64015646
>To think that they haven't been able to reproduce specs of 3 decades old engines is dangerous hubris.
No, it's objective fact. They still can't mass produce the WS-15, can't make a turbine blade that doesn't have tip creep in really high heat conditions, resulting in an 18% decrease in thrust. They still can't into high temp single crystal blades, and REALLY struggle with the coating that allow power dense, lightweight cores like the F119 and F135. It took chiner until 2010 to even get the WS-10 to where it wouldn't eat itself after 100 hours.

>>64015671
no matter how much you bitch and whine and cry about muh chinkz being underestimated and misunderstood i will continue to ignore all their posturing all the same

get new material shitskin bunkertranny, this one never works.

>>64015661
>Where is your rebuttal?
Here: >>64015672
But, where is your proof that they can actually mass produce an axial flow turbine that matches the F119 in T/W, dry and AB thrust, fight hours before needing overhauled - which is in the 2000+ flight hours range for the F119? They can't even mass produce the WS-15, and almost 20 years the J-20 has been waiting for the WS-15 it was designed to flight with, and still to this very day, they continue to wait.
>It's decades old tech
That they still can't become proficient at.
>and they have been busted repeatedly for IP theft.
What IP dealing with high temperature military fighter engines?

>>64015671
KEK. It's an inbred shit colored mutant pakoid. I agree with chinsects on one thing: shitlam is a mental illness. Imagine shilling for a country of peoples that think you're a mentally ill sub-human that belongs in a gula- I mean "reeducation camp." Fucking pathetic.

>>64015672
I am not arguing the WS-15 is in service, those numbers are laughable to anyone with even a faint understanding of engineering, although if they have any brains they will emulate us and keep it under wraps until it is already being surpassed by new developments, a la F-117
And 100 hours, while russia tier pathetic is fine for them. They know any conflict will be fought on or near their home turf. They don't need superb quality. They need good enough and a lot of it. Fighters are phasing out anyways. Missle and drone spam is the future, even it is gay as fuck.
True fighters are arguably like battleships were; national pride.
>>64015676
You are the only one bitching. I am saying they lie and they suck but they are not some third world nation to sneeze at. These faggots want our way of life dead and they are spending billions to try and make it happen.
If France and Sweden can make last gen jet engines so can the chinks. They consider it strategically vital. As they should.

>>64013732 (OP)
This is what 3rd gen Chengdu can do. Just imagine 5th gen!

>>64015672
Additive manufacturing like DMLS and SLM has changed the game. I don't doubt that they are behind, but with a proper (stolen) CAD file you are most of the way there. Heat treat and QC is the real limiter.

>>64015706
>ching chong implessive can copy anything
>but we don't need fighters anyway, civilian toys are the future somethign something battleship shill line

still pathetically weak shilling but at least you have enough IQ to do as you're told and change your script a little. you must be only half as inbred as your other fellows.

>>64015742
Keep up with the ad hominems. I would argue that you are actually false flagging for the chinks to ignore the threat that they pose, but you are rapid and ignorant enough that I recognize you as a fellow American.

>>64015748
*rabid
Fugg
You want the chinese to suddenly be be on par? It doesn't matter anyways since neither you or I have anything to do with intel or development but your way of thinking is dangerous. When officials and retired officers go on tv and lie about how advanced out enemies are, I support them. Because that fear keeps the money flowing and keeps us technologically ahead of everyone else. Same as it has since WWII.

>>64015748
>how do you do fellow americans? let's complain that mockery of chink fear mongering on an anonymous basket weaving forum is totally a threat to national security and only total ignorant americans would refuse to echo chink propaganda word for word

i guess the shill line hasn't changed, i was giving you poop eating monkey too much credit

>>64015770
Do you have no new material? You haven't refuted a thing I said except to try and denounce me as a chink shill, even though I am inherently advocating for continuing the massive DOD budget, which most Americans take issue with out of ignorance.
At least >>64015672 brought up some valid points, which I mostly agree with.

>>64015770
>word for word
Hyperbole is not your friend, anon

>>64015289
Anyways, what are the realistic numbers for the WSs? Are these just sled/test bed numbers? Not accounting for fuel lines, coolant, intakes and nozzles?

>>64013732 (OP)
>>64013745
>>64013756
Implessive chang

>>64015778
>You haven't refuted a thing I said
there's nothing to refute, just constant "be concerned" spam in every post

get new material shitskin

>>64013745
BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA

Implessive

Just not a fan of the J-20.

>>64015676
You're doing the exact opposite of ignoring it. You're replying to every post.

>>64015706
>They don't need superb quality. They need good enough and a lot of it.
This is how the Soviets/Russians thought, and we've seen how that worked out for them. Turns out having equipment that just works properly and isn't constantly trying to destroy itself is a massive advantage.

>>64013732 (OP)
Nice MiG

None of this is really relevant. Everyone is going to fire missiles and drop bombs from a weaponized variant of the RQ-180 anyways. They have superior stealth, endurance, cost and liability.

>>64015626
>Deny existence, blow everyone's minds when it debuts
kek

>>64015626
>>Deny existence, blow everyone's minds when it debuts
impressive

>>64016912
https://desuarchive.org/k/search/image/vJjOMPr6kbqGXqu7i2STYQ/
Is it really 50 cents?

>>64016921
>>64016912
>ping ping mad

>>64016928
the sense of pride and purpose is priceless

>>64016969
>the sense of hopeless and desperation is priceless
yeah, it's pretty funny watching you basically sell your soul trying to shill for a foreign country because you're a complete loser and failure at life, and you think you'd magically stop being that in a china dominated world.
here's a newsflash: you'd be a fucking loser even in china, wumao's are not smiled upon in that society, you're literally the bottom rung even if you're an ethnically chinese mutt (you're not, you're some flavour of thirdie brownoid)

>>64017155
Im pretty sure he was mocking the chinkshill, but i get it. Chinkshill are meatwaving hard today.

>>64015592
your grandad was made a Japanese sashimi, he ain't complaining

>>64017170
the entire catalog is blank with chinkshills desperately trying to flip the script

>>64015362
>china isn’t the leader in drones
hahahah lol lmao
>>64015354
Ukraine is the poorest country in Europe.

>>64017155
>sell your soul trying to shill for a foreign country
And you are a foreigner in your own country.

>>64017390
And yet now have better drone tech than ching chongs

>>64017390
>china isn’t the leader in drones
Yep, correct, it isn’t.

>>64013732 (OP)
200 in built, 100 flight and weapon carrying ready, 30-50 "combat ready"
Roughly 80-100 are "made" a year 40-50 make it to combat status a year now.
In reality about 4-6 combat capable are made a month that end up getting through the process

>>64017395
You have no idea who i am lol, i haven’t profiled myself.
You however, have profiled yourself as a mentally ill shill who does it for free because he literally has nothing of value going on in his life.

>>64017395
>he says, a hapa because his grandmother was a comfort woman

>>64017396
China is producing all of the drones for both sides of the war.
When the Ukies got to try out some American drones they found out that they're overpriced $10 000 a piece garbage that doesn't even perform any better than alibaba drones.

>>64017408
In that case you are brown, which is even more funny.

>>64017420
I guess you two have something in common then

>>64017420
>in that case you are brown
nope, i’m white, and you are brown, because you’re a loser who sucks up to shitholes and i’m not, sucks to suck, identified chinkshill.

>>64017420
>turd calling the dirt brown

>>64017427
Cope, by the time your children (if you miraculously manage to breed) are adults you will be a minority race in your own country.

>>64017441
and you will always be brown

>>64017441
>brown

>>64017441
>cope
Don’t need to, you’re already doing that feverishly :)
>thirdie fantasy delusions
Nah lol
you will always be brown, the problem of white people being better than you will persist for eternity until natural selection quells all of you from the gene-pool, and there is nothing you can do about it.
The thousands of feel-good fantasies you mutter to yourself every time you seethe on /k/ will never alleviate your suffering.

>>64017443
>>64017459
>>64017473
>I can't breed but I'm totally the masterrace you guys!!!

>>64017519
and you can? you must be the turdiest of turdies if this is what you do all day. does shilling get all the wadies wet?

>>64017519
>cant breed
I know that's a problem for you chinks

>>64017530
>muh dick
nigger tier

>>64017540
Compared to a chinaman's i suppose it is

>>64017556
Compared to chinaman whites are niggers

>>64017606
lol chinks are the jews of asia

>>64017606
>so bad at everything they trip over themselves to steal tech from niggers
oof