the military will pull this shit within the next few months

what should the TRVE replacement?

ruger?
Echelon?

>>64017847 (OP)
colt m1911

>>64017847 (OP)
glock

>>64017866
glock could not deliver a actual modular handgun and neither could beretta

this is why they "lost" allegedly

both the echelon and the new ruger have all the requirements the military demanded

>>64017847 (OP)
Already a thread up >>64017773

>>64017878
mine is better

>>64017872
Modular was up to interpretation on how they could swap out grips and other portions, didnt have to be a modular fcu. I'm also saying that cause Beretta M9A4 or Glock would have been obviously better choices.

>>64017910
yes but you know that requirement has likely changed 100% to this new FCU designation

>>64017925
Yeah, I know. I'm a go troll Glock and Beretta fanboys saying those two designs are obviously unsafe if SIG is this unsafe and still beat them to make myself feel better Glock and Beretta lost.

>>64017872
What's so good about modular?

>>64017853

>>64017847 (OP)
Glock will win.
>>64017872
Modular is fucking retarded. Issue Glock 19s to everyone.

>>64017847 (OP)
>Miss me yet?

>>64017847 (OP)
None, besides rare specialist roles handguns have no place in a serious military organization.

>>64018002
modular is retarded until you have to replace a 500 dollar pistol because some retard ran over it with a tank and the only part that is fucked up is the 20 dollar plastic grip module you can get in the armory in a big pile

>>64017847 (OP)
Canik 55 TP9

>>64017847 (OP)
Hasn't the USMC already started requiring Israeli carry for the MHS? Why haven't the other branches followed suit? It's a much cheaper solution than buying new guns, it would completely solve all of these problems, and handguns don't matter anyway. The vast majority of all service pistols in history haven't been drop safe, I don't get why everyone's throwing a fit over it now.

>>64018012
>rare specialist roles
Like every officer and medic in the army? (Only our PA, PSG, and squad leaders would get M17s since there weren’t enough to go around and officers would get first dibs, but we’re all supposed to be issued one. It’s way better than carrying an M4)

>>64017847 (OP)
Beretta M9A3s/92X

>>64018012
Wow posting your dumbfuck take in every thread about this you can huh.

It just keeps getting worse

funny side story: There was one guy at my self defense class with a sig p320 last weekend. when the instructors found out what gun he brought to train with, they didnt let him do drills with a magazine inside. was funny as fuck

>>64018044
lmfaooooooo

This can't be true, I make all my opinions about firearms based on military use. No way the military wouldn't select the absolute best firearm available to them!

>>64018023
Are you too fucking retarded to read a short paragraph? It's nothing to do with drop safety. They go off sitting on tables without warning. That's how this guy got killed.

>>64017847 (OP)
>is called the worst pistol of all time due to negligent discharges
>amerisharts gawk at it and present it as proof of Japanese incompetence
>80 years later they choose a plastic piece of shit as their most favored pistol for the army and police that goes off if you look at it wrong

Apologize

>>64018030
If an officer can't carry a rifle he isn't combat effective and has no place in the military. Medics would probably be one of the limited uses if only for morale purposes and typically medics are more responsible than the average person who is issued a side arm.

>>64018043
It isn't my fault there are multiple threads.

I note there have been no serious refutations of my stance.

>>64017847 (OP)
oh my God if the sigger p320 really killed somebody its legit over for them somebody's going to get a huge lawsuit

>>64018077
They did select the best. Glock and Beretta were that much worse.

>>64018100
There's little reason to refute the ramblings of some foreign idiot who has no experience with the subject he is pontificating over.

>>64017872
bro lets be real here "modular" is only a thing for sof, normal grunt gets what he gets and thats it
nobody is fucking let an average gi joe pick his owen grip frame or optic

>>64018117
modular is 1000X more important for the retarded grunt who fucks up his pistol or leaves it on a burning stove or something

its 10000X better for logistics

>>64017872
Beretta are modular, you can swap slides and frames amongst the many versions of 92s

>>64018113
So 'NO U!' is the answer, i accept your gracious concession.

BTW, unlike you i actually own guns, have served and am an American.

>>64018125
Yeah a modular pistol is going to see a 10,000x improvement in pistol logistics

>>64018138
Nah.

>>64018138
things you aren't
>American
>hasserved
>hasguns
>white

>>64018111
Yeah, no autofire option in current year!

>>64018138
>>64018161
My ethnicity, firearms ownership, Nationality and prior service have already been well established.

>>64018088

>>64018023
Hey buddy you just blow in from stupidtown? How's the housing price of rocks over there?

>>64018100
You refuted yourself
>pistols are useless
>except for all the occasions when they're useful

>>64018172
Established as brown

>>64018100
Advocating for everyone in the military to carry rifles should be grounds for state mandated chemical castration so you cannot possibly pass on your deficiencies.

>>64018182
*stifled chuckle as to not instigate*

>>64018106
It killed 2 people, a father named Roman Neshin, and the poor sap in OP

>inb4 every on-base suicide is just covered up by saying the m18 did it

>>64018100
>side arm

>>64017847 (OP)
That was only a matter of time.

>replacing the Sig
There's a lot of good options. They could go back to Beretta with the M9A3, or they could go with a variant of the Glock 17M.

>>64017872
The modularity is a retarded meme and is one of the many parts of why the P320 is shit. Just like the Stoner 63, virtually only the belt-fed LMG variant was significant and appreciated, and it would have been a better gun if it had been strictly focused on being only that.
Just have a second handgun if needed.

>>64018014
Reminder that the ejector on the P320 is integral to this inner frame, and if you need to replace the ejector because you damaged it (easier to do than you think), you need to replace the entire serialized part.

>>64018209
we know the p320 is bad you fucking faggot

>>64018221
And the modularity is part of why, you cocksucking jiggaboo.

>>64018185
>You refuted yourself
No, i clearly stated that they have limited specialist roles. MPs, SF guys, medics who have noodle arms.

Actually now that i think of it i've never met a medic who didn't carry a rifle.

>>64018228
no its the bad design of the p320

other pistols with FCU's dont have this issue

>>64018192
sad thing i seen a vid some guy shot one of his balls off with it
btw carrying apendix is stupid

>>64018185
Norktard is a sped who actually has some neat insight on farming101 and Norkshit (duh) but in true sped fashion anything he says outside of these things can safely be ignored.

>>64017872
The APX should be acceptably modular, and the modularity requirement was stupid anyway.
The Echelon would be nice though.
>>64018023
>The vast majority of all service pistols in history haven't been drop safe, I don't get why everyone's throwing a fit over it now.
The problem is that its predecessor was, and the problem goes even further than drop safety considering that spontaneous AD inside of holsters a known occurrence. Even if the 1911 wasn't drop safe, it didn't have that problem and would at least be (mostly) safe in a holster.

>>64018245
>handguns have no place in a serious military organization.
>besides rare specialist roles
So they have a place then. Sig guns have no place in either.

>>64018260
The fact that there are far more injuries caused to your own forces than the enemy via handgun has been established for almost a century. They have almost zero combat value outside of specialist situations and divert training and funds from more productive areas.

This isn't a controversial take, it is well established fact.

>>64018288
Come on senpai, don't do this to yourself and just stick to what you're good at. Don't make this weird fir us both.

>>64018286
Never said they didn't have a specialist role.

As to sigs, i agree they are trash.

Trip coming off as it is no longer needed to establish my guns, service or nationality status.

>>64018023
That's a fucking band-aid solution to a MASSIVE problem.

The original purpose of the IDF carrying handguns with empty chambers was that they weren't Jew Rich yet and mostly armed themselves with widely disparate WW2 surplus, meaning they had probably 30 different pistols in inventory.
Thus, they had to figure out a single manual of arm to teach which would apply to ANY of the different pistols, which was any safeties off, chamber empty, full mag, then rack on the draw, and you could do this to ANY automatic pistol they had and it should do the same thing, minimizing the chances of the accidental maiming and killing of conscripts.

This isn't an approach which a modern and professional military with standardized arms should need to take, this is SHAMEFUL.

>>64018292
Real life isn't a movie, handguns are almost totally worthless in open combat. Almost everyone who carries one could carry a rifle.

I don't know why this is even a question, the fact that they cause more friendly losses than they inflict is well established. I'm honestly perplexed, what am i missing here?

>>64018306
pistols are not issued for combat purposes you silly nigger

SIGGERS!

>>64018306
>handguns are almost totally worthless in open combat.
Jfc are you sure you actually served and didn't have a meth-induced hallucination? Handguns are almost never meant for frontline combat scenarios. Sit down and let the adults talk

>>64017847 (OP)
>what should the TRVE replacement?
Someone should submit this for a laugh.

>>64018293
You did say "besides rare specialist roles handguns have no place in a serious military organization.". And you contradicted yourself in the same sentence. You are an established retard

>>64017847 (OP)
Any document/source on this event?
The MX navy uses the fucking M18, and I swear to god; most of my officer mates want or already bought an M18 or P320 variant. Been trying desperately to get them to spend a few hundred bucks more to at least get an p226 or buy a gun from a different brand from the army.

>>64018316
>>64018327
There are 100K plus people in the US military who carry them, the vast majority don't need them or should carry a rifle.

>quick math
My first unit had 8 officers, every one of which would is exposed to a combat situation. Not a single one carried a rifle (or much of anything) despite easily being capable of doing so. So you had 2/3rds of a squad who were utterly useless operationally since in the field on a company level US units don't actually need officers.

>>64018345
Every single statement qualified the 'rare specialist role' part, are you drunk or just illiterate?

>>64017872
>glock could not deliver a actual modular handgun and neither could beretta
How the fuck is a Glock not modular? I don't get it.

>>64018379
Every single statement disqualified the ''handguns have no place in a serious military organization" part. I don't need to ask if you're drunk or illiterate. I know you are.

>>64018379
are you fucking retarded or just pretending you served?

This slandering of SIG by the Trump administration is going to backfire in the orange retard's face. If not in a huge civil lawsuit, then when China invades Taiwan and kicks the US's ass.

>>64018379
I refuse to believe that you have ever served if you are so dense that you think you should only ever have a rifle or nothing at all. Not exaggerating, to anyone who has ever served on an actual base you come across as a blithering moron.

>>64018379
>My first unit had 8 officers
>So you had 2/3rds of a squad
> in the field on a company level US units don't actually need officers.
Wew

>Every single statement qualified the 'rare specialist role' part, are you drunk or just illiterate?
Specialist roles aren't rare.

>>64018394
>then when China invades Taiwan and kicks the US's ass.

how is a country that hasn't been in any sort of conflict in the last 50 years going to win against a country that makes a habit out of getting into fights?

>>64018399
ffs I've never even set foot on any military base and I know exactly why a pistol for a gate guard is far more desirable than a fucking rifle

>>64018327
And they probably issue too many to people that don't need one.

>>64018414
Lack of a reliable sidearm, moron.

>>64018394
did u write this lie mandeep?

>>64017847 (OP)
Ruger P85

>>64018403
In this tool's fantasyland, MPs are listed as critically endangered

>>64018426
One can always dream

>>64018088
>>64018173
It's actually not trivial to make the Nambu Type 94 to fire without pulling the trigger, you would need to deliberately pinch the sear bar and pull on it in a specific way, which you'd be very unlikely to be able to actually do by accident.

Meanwhile, the Sig P320 sometimes likes to just fire because it was slightly bumped.

>>64018426
MPs have been obsolete for a while now. Just use drones instead.

>>64018437
that would actually be really funny lmao

>>64018424
Toob

>>64018437
>grunt shows up on base drunk
>wants to fistfight his officer because gay lovers spat or something
>blow him up with a drone
I feel there's a few practical issues with this approach.

>>64018447
You don't have to waste explosives. You could just have the drone shoot him.

>>64018431
I think we owe Papa Nambu an apology.

>>64018403
>My first unit had 8 officers
CO, XO, Platoon LTs and 2 WOs.

>So you had 2/3rds of a squad
Correct in terms of numbers

>in the field on a company level US units don't actually need officers.

When doing their job not really, especially for support units. The water will be purified, the cargo will be hauled and the food will be cooked
just fine with the 1sgt and platoon sgts managing things. The commander tells the 1sgt what to do, the platoon sgts pretend to listen to the Lts and the XO pretends that the unit clerk isn't really doing most of his job that matters.

>Specialist roles aren't rare.

Ones that require a handgun are rare and the majority (MPs) only really use them stateside in peacetime.

>>64018078
>>64018182
>>64018263
Drop safety problem or not, there's absolutely no possibility of a spontaneous discharge from an empty chamber.

>>64018300
Literally who even cares? Handguns aren't weapons, they're badges of office. If all handguns in all branches of the military were required to be carried condition 4 at all times, even in combat, it would have exactly 0 impact on the combat readiness of any unit, much less the military as a whole. I don't see how this is any worse than all of the yuro armies that don't even let their soldiers touch real magazines unless they're being deployed.

Look, I'm not a sigger shill. I'm a stop wasting money on stupid bullshit shill. They should have kept the M9 and just stopped practicing with them so they wouldn't have to replace the worn-out frames. But since they bought the MHS, they shouldn't now buy something compeletely new, they should just stop doing the thing that makes them go off for no reason (chambering a cartridge).

>>64018008
Yes.

>>64018426
They do convoy protection mostly when on deployment, they are light infantry overseas.

>>64018469
>Literally who even cares? Handguns aren't weapons, they're badges of office. If all handguns in all branches of the military were required to be carried condition 4 at all times, even in combat, it would have exactly 0 impact on the combat readiness of any unit, much less the military as a whole. I don't see how this is any worse than all of the yuro armies that don't even let their soldiers touch real magazines unless they're being deployed.

Correct opinion haver, it's 99% ego and 'style' not combat effectiveness.

>>64018456
>When doing their job not really, especially for support units.
This is nonsense. I'll take it you weren't either an officer or an NCO, since you're so detached from their work like this.
>The water will be purified, the cargo will be hauled and the food will be cooked
Who what when where why? It's the job of the officers to actually link this daily normative action to a bigger whole and to ensure it keeps happening in exceptional circumstances, to report it further and ensure the actions have some actual meaning, to ensure the commander's intentions are actually worked towards and so bridge the gap between the company CO and the NCOs in their own platoon.
>Ones that require a handgun are rare and the majority (MPs) only really use them stateside in peacetime.
It's not a requirement but a benefit. Having to haul around a service rifle when you're not in a combat or a combat support role (PDWs preferred in the latter) is just pointless.

>>64018469
>MPs and officers accidentally themselves or others because Sig can't into engineering isn't a problem

>>64018379
>My first unit
Kiddo I'm not going to sugar coat it, reading through your posts in this thread I can safely deduce that there's no fucking way you have ever been in a formally issued military uniform.

>>64018504
Deaths due to obvious user error isn't SIG's fault.

>>64018504
>Carry condition 3 or 4
>Don't accidentally anyone
MPs can accidentally themselves for all I care, though. And the civilian ones as well, for that matter.

>buying from the "owned by jews, built by indians, sold to gentiles" company
you deserve this

at least buy IWI if you want to support jizzrael, they are actually good because they are made for the chosen people

>>64018509
>obvious user error
There we go, I hope the pay is worth it.

>>64018517
Good thing that we don't make policy by the opinions of 13 year olds.

>>64018527
>No argument

>>64018494
Oh dear lord did i, i was the only school trained person with my MOS in the entire state. Also out of 176 people one of only 5 people in the entire unit who was not a E-5 and at the time the only private. I'm sure you can guess what clown show i joined.

>>64018508
>kiddo
I'm old enough to be your grandpa.

>>64018172
I sincerely am going to find you and stomp those faggot little rabbits to death, that's how big of a retarded faggot you've become.

>>64018531
>pistol shooting you because it was slightly bumped (if that) is somehow user error
>"FUCK ALL COPS!!!11!!!" isn't a 13 year old's opinion

>>64018531
The argument is that you're a faggot shill and nobody should take a thing you post seriously because you're paid for

>>64017847 (OP)
Yeah but who has the pedigree to replace them huh???

>>64018554
>Walking around with a round chambered in a gun well known to spontaneously discharge from being bumped isn't user error

>>64018556
As I said, I'm shilling for not buying ANOTHER useless handgun that will never do anything except maybe shoot Americans.

>>64018550
Can't actually win an argument so you resort to threating to kill small animals? Wow, such tough guy.

>>64018590
>being repeatedly reassured by command and manufacturing that nothing is wrong is somehow not a problem

I bet they're feeling the Beretti Regretti now

>>64017872
>Modular
Order a bunch of G47s and G19s and you now have 4 different guns that don't break when you reload too hard

>>64018609
Well yes, that's the problem. Command should be mandating Israeli carry for all MHS.

>>64018670
The M17 and M18 shouldn't even have been issued, much less adopted.

>>64018678
See my earlier post:
>>64018469
>They should have kept the M9 and just stopped practicing with them so they wouldn't have to replace the worn-out frames.
>But since they bought the MHS, they shouldn't now buy something compeletely new, they should just stop doing the thing that makes them go off for no reason (chambering a cartridge).

>>64017853
God, that would make me hard as diamonds.

>>64018469
>I'm not a sigger shill
>But since they bought the MHS, they shouldn't now buy something compeletely new, they should just stop doing the thing that makes them go off for no reason (chambering a cartridge).
You sure sound like a Sigger shill, shill

>>64018620
Indeed

>>64018014
>the only part that is fucked up is the 20 dollar plastic grip module you can get in the armory in a big pile

This doesn't make sense. If it's just the frame that broke, you swap in another one on a Glock too.

>>64018782
>Rail
>Vertec
Yuck. M9s are very aesthetic but they look awful with rails and the new grips. God forbid you put xl sights and a dot on one. They shoot worse than a modern striker so aesthetic is all it has going for it.

>>64018830
dont badmouth 92 GTS

>>64018820
Frames are serialized on glocks so there's probably a lot of paperwork involved since you're technically issuing a new gun when you swap out the frame.

>64018830
>DA/SA Berettas shooting worse than strikerslop
Bait used to be believable. God forbid you put xl sights and a dot on a P320 though

I didn't like glocks but that was a personal taste in how they performed, glock leg clearly being user error. Fucking siggers though holy shit, straight up a terrible thing.

>>64018300
Also conscript army, not professional marines.

>>64018447
>>grunt shows up on base drunk
>wants to fistfight his officer because gay lovers spat or something

God I can't fucking find the ancient meme of a guy waking up in bed, a drone comes flying in and picks him up and takes him somewhere (school or work).

>>64017872
>modular
>handgun
Are the US retarded?

>MFW I bought the G19X and M9A3 but passed on the M17/18 to complete the trifecta because I knew Neu-Sig was shit

>>64017847 (OP)
>what should the TRVE replacement?
sawn off shotgun side by side in 00

My time has come!

ITS RUGER'S TURN.

RXM

>>64017872
Requirements only matter when the people picking the winner had a winner in mind. Everything involving the actual parts on the actual gun is optional.

>>64017853
I fucking wish. But hey, maybe some fudd over in the Trump administration will argue that the striker/blocker system is inherently unsafe and we have to go BACK TO THE GOOD OLD DAYS and use a hammer pistol.

>>64018885
They should have just stuck with the SR9. It was around long enough to start building brand recognition when they killed it and gave us the pistol nobody had asked for.

>>64017847 (OP)
They should forget pistols and adopt MP5Ks desu

This shittery with the 320/M17/M18 is going to kill other pistols.
The P365 came several years after and wasn't a slapped on ad hoc P250 slide, but an entirely new design that is much safer. It had minor issues in the first year of release that were subsequently resolved but as we are seeing P365 adopters like DHS have lost faith in ALL their sig products.

They should have resolved this shit by 2020 now they are going to fucking burn. De-adoption of a service weapon is unheard of and honestly that rat basterd Cohen is redeeming

>>64018912
The P365 is probably going to be Sig's lifeline after all this bullshit finally reams their assholes, it's the one good modern pistol design which they have, it's the only thing they could truly rely on after filing for bankruptcy and starting business up again.

Do sidearms even matter? Are they just wasted mass and belt space? When was the last time a soldier killed a guy with a handgun in active combat?

>>64018926
Not everything an army does is infantry combat, and not all armed personal are frontline infantry.
Pistols are not frontline combat weapons, but a military still needs some pistols, and pistols which don't randomly maim and kill their users because they sneezed. For instance, military police need to carry pistols on their job because they're just like police.

>>64018288
Still they are needed by MPs and security guards behind the lines guarding bases.

Sure they're not important in front-line combat, but they do have a role.

>>64018926
As has had to be explained to the other dipshit in here, being in frontline combat is one of the least likely things you will ever do in the military and pistols are a shitload more appropriate and convenient for 99% of encounters.

>>64018599
Rabbit is a reference to a popular comic series depicting the North Vietnamese and their Chinese allies as Rabbits while the USA and its UN allies are depicted as Eagles.

It has nothing to doe with real lagomorphs.

>>64018008
Bring it back with a grip safety or something

>>64017847 (OP)
I hate nuSIG and am relishing their decline and the endless cope that accompanies it but I absolutely will not entertain any coverage on any topic from focustripp, for "he" is bad as a conveyance of reliable information

to wit cogito ergo sum: he is a retarded faggot whom clowns for attention and views and is categorically desirous of sperm and underaged

>>64018926
I recall a US general firing some shots in the sandbox in some infiltrator attack by the local durkhas, but the relevant keywords just lead to articles about the guy who was photo'ed carrying a Roland Special so either I'm hallucinating or actually killing people isn't as attention getting as consooming.

>>64018926
No. But if the military stops teaching handgun marksmanship then nobody will teach cops how to shoot.

>>64017853
Double stack 1911

>>64018891
The American Pistol is just fine. I happily carry an American Compact in 9mm if I am not carrying my .45 or Max 9. They're good pistols.

>>64018923
It's relatively mediocre now in light of the competition as everyone is doing a stagger stack now.
Springfield, Ruger, HK, Canik, Taurus, S&W and others all have stagger stack competitors.
The X and X-macro get mogged by the G43x which has a strong aftermarket
P320 will drag P365 into the ashes.

Sig will have to sell premium grade P226 and P229's for glock prices in order to survive they are DONE

>>64019040
RXM will get adoption, it scratches every itch the MHS required and the DOD can shoehorn in official Glock on the contract support a la magazines and other components. Gen 6 Glocks are literally the RXM with FCU further developed.
Ruger wins, Magpul wins, Glock wins.
And everyone lived happily ever after while nu-Sig goes defunct and Cohen gets hanged for treason if he doesn't escape to pissrael first

>>64017847 (OP)
Smith and Wesson M&P 2.0, the only good strikerslop on this godforsaken earth

>>64018966
Pig disgusting.

>>64019055
That actually sounds very compelling and like a great solution.

>>64018526
The deagle people understand their true audience…. Hollywood action movie people…

>>64018424
P85/89 was good eventually. They do this every time, first few years are rough then its goood and they quick move on and the cycle continues.

>>64019066
The P85 was fine for what it was already, there was just that one thing with the decocker, but they fixed any pistol for free under warranty, and they did this for a VERY long time, well into the 2010s.

>>64017847 (OP)
Unironically the RXM

>>64019087
Sing me its praises, I want to hear what it's like.

>>64018885
Wrong Ruger.

>>64017872
>modular handgun
Utterly irrelevant meme. The M17 and M18 are functionally two different firearms in practice with how they are actually issued. In practice there is functionally no difference between having two seperate pistol models, one full or duty sized, and one "compact" version.

>>64019107
Looks good. Do they make it in a full sized Glock 17 frame?

>>64018885
Can't believe there isn't a 1000 word essay on how you should read the manual before use engraved on the slide.

>>64017847 (OP)
>hitting the sergeant in the chest
Why was it pointed at his chest in the first place?

>>64018012
>anon cannot fathom a situation where you might need to be armed but wouldn't want a rifle

>>64019134
Because he tossed the pistol in its holster on his table in a casual manner, something you can do with virtually any other service pistol ever without it shooting.
Mildly careless? Maybe, but the pistol still completely failed its expected duty.

>>64019081
You still can again actually.

>>64018020
Still the most aesthetic assassination ever caught on camera

>>64018504
>Literally it ND's tod-ACK!

>>64019090
Basically a gen 3 glock that has been factory gucci'd and with a FCU/I system. The slide is pre-cut for pretty much most optic system so it is automatically co-witnessed. Really it is just everything people have wanted glock to be, aside from the FCU/I system

>>64019125
Making. It is still "coming soon" on magpul along with the 26 frame

>>64018288
dubs, and also what about executing starving peasants for hoarding rice, Norktard?

Also, I wanna fuck Kim Jonh Un's hot sister still

>>64018866
No, but the generals make retarded requirements so that only their sugar daddies at sig will meet them

>>64018599
No, just you and your rabbits are faggots. I'm not even trying to be tough and I don't even necessarily disagree with you. You are just that much of an insufferable faggot anymore.

>>64019156
That's going above and beyond, the P85 is a pistol which Ruger first began making in 1987, and stopped making in 1992. Ruger is apparently STILL doing free warranty fixes to a pistol they haven't manufactured in 33 years.

>>64019183
I want them to make a full sized .45 version.

>>64019107
>>64019087
>>64019090
>>64019183
I've never personally had issues with the magpul G15 mags but everyone says they're trash. I've had them fail to lock back a few times , I still prefer OEM.

Is the verdict in on those Mecgar ones?

>>64019151
>Mildly careless?
Total violation of the 4 rules is mild carelessness?

>>64019246
Tbf I kinda want a p89 after having one in my hands. Ergos remind me of the zastava 9mm compact tokarevs but with more hand room and actually safe.

>>64019277
Yet this would not have happened with any other NATO service pistol.

>>64019024
They don't know how to shoot already though

>>64018923
>>64019043
>The P365 is probably going to be Sig's lifeline after all this bullshit finally reams their assholes, it's the one good modern pistol design which they have, it's the only thing they could truly rely on after filing for bankruptcy and starting business up again.
Google search P365 striker failure broken you retarded newfag.
NOTHING Sig makes is redeemable. Burn it all at this point.

>>64019294
>NOTHING Sig makes is redeemable
SIG SAAAAR, DO NOT REDEEEEEM

>>64018014
Of all the things to be concerned about this is the most retarded.
Just swap it out for another Glock, send the damaged one back to Glock HQ and have them salvage the parts into a new frame or whatever as part of the contract for free if cost savings is so much of a problem.
Just keep a few shipping containers full of them on the side as your modularity/armory program, instead of needing a few shipping containers of spare parts.

>glockshills desperate for their pistol to get adopted because Glock is losing marketshare to other companies releasing improved versions of their outdated product.

>>64019151
Where did it say he tossed his gun?

>>64019396
It's just a Sig Saar on damage control

>>64019382
>I can't believe a SIG handgun killed an airman
>How could Glockfags do this?

>>64017847 (OP)
Glock or M&P2.0

>>64019382
>improving perfection
ishygddt

>>64019521
Yes, they have.

>>64019043
>Going to Taurus when you need a pistol with reliable QC and safety features
Sig is fucking over lmfao

>>64018863
That one was a /v/ time for school meme. I wish I had it.

>admit you made the wrong choice
>let solders shoot themselves
lawl. They’ll investigate it say who knows and the magic sidearm will stay in service

>>64019001
If my General blew the head of a durka I would be proud to follow his retarded orders.

>>64019622
Literally everything Taurus makes is better than the P320.
The P365 isn't killing people or going off in holsters anymire but the striker mechanisms are breaking.
The GX4 IS a better pistol.
Taurus and Bersa are mediocre but they aren't killing their users
The more developed stagger stack micro 9's - Hellcat, M&P, Canik, and the HK (in that order least to most ie CC9/VP9CC had a ridiculous development cycle) all of them MOG the 365

>>64018030
Was this 2014ish when units got way bigger than their ToEs?

I've always said that nobody besides MPs should have pistols. You live with your rifle in training 24/7 then one day you get promoted and get handed a pistol with next to zero training. I've heard that Iraqis respect pistols more than rifles or MGs though.

That said, my friends dad was a 3 star and I asked if he bought his pistol when he retired. "No, my mom hates guns."

>>64019259
Have you tried them with defensive ammo? That's where they usually shit the bed.

>>64017910
What does a modular FCU even mean? You can swap out Glock bits including the trigger in 3 minutes and that's doing it slowly

>>64019947
To the military it means optional smaller grips for women and Mexicans, except no one ever actually gets to use them anyways. If only we had a tested gun brand that takes full size mags in a compact grip hmmmmmm

Really it's just a reason for the brass to spend money and get put up in nice hotels by Rabbi Cohen

>>64017847 (OP)
the generals in charge of procurement have already received their kickbacks. The military will find it was due to "soldier negligence" and the M18 will remain in service, at least officially.

>>64019294
based.

>>64017847 (OP)
I hope Ruger because having domestic production capacity.

>>64019027
staccato service pistol. i have willed this into reality

Return to tradition, white man

>>64020028
Could've had the M9A3 for a bargain, but nooooo, everyone's doing striker wonder 9s now, DA/SA is old and busted! fucking army didnt even bother to look at it, they were that set on sig

>>64018926
>When was the last time a soldier killed a guy with a handgun in active combat?
Major Hasan at Fort Hood?

After reading to all of you veteran grunts arguing that pistols aren't even needed, except when they are, it occurred to me that the Russians got it right (again) with Makarovs; because the shit was small, light and simple.

everyone is in a hurry to replace shit that never needed replacing

gucci m9s exist; just buy them

I literally cannot fathom a reason outside of corruption that they went with that shit ass P320 design over the Glock 19, 17, 45, whatever. It makes no fucking sense. The P320 was out for civilians before the military adopted it and everyone thought it was cringe, ass, shit, autism. No one wanted them.

Why is the military procurement system so fucked up? M16A1 ammo shenanigans, Growler ATV, UCP, Zumwalt, SIG in general. How the flying fuck does shit like this keep happening?

>>64019058
No. Not disgusting. Sensible.

Have you shot a 92 with grip safety? It's right there, easy to engage and just makes sense.

>>64020219
SIG made one hell of a gamble though selling to the army at cost and supposedly making basically no money on the deal anticipating that they would make a killing in the civilian sales after winning though. Let's not forget that they "accidentally" miscolored the first batch of M17s safety and takedown levers causing them to be rejected by the army so they said "oops sorry" and turned around and sold those pistols as "military surplus" on the market as a premium. If SIG is to be believed the 320 became the second most sold pistol on the market after they won. They also claim that it is the "most tested pistol of all time" yet it can easily be made to shoot on it's own with a little wear to it's Indian MIM parts so idk if I trust anything (((Cohen))) says with his bullshit marketing. It's such a piece of shit pistol and I always knew from the start by just looking at it. Crazy that you would be spiritually correct in hating the 320 by just doing a physiognomy check on it

>>64020239
I hate how good rare earth minerals were wasted on this.

>>64018952
Yes it does as i am well know for my yard bunnies having had several conversations about them, that comic depicts norks as sticks not rabbits. The version most are familiar with doesn't mention norks at all. He is threatening to stalk me and kill small animals not talking about a comic and you know that.

>>64019145
Only if absolutely needed, in most cases they are not.

>>64020221
The Air Force has singlehandedly carried US small arms procurement. They gave us hits like the Colt 604 (before the Army fucked it up) and the M9 (also before the Army fucked it up) and were on track to create a mass issue M4 Block III with the Marines before they were able to do the M27 bait and switch.
Any time the Army gets left to their own devices they choose stupid shit. They need the Air Force to keep them level.

Just import sigshit from Europe. US manufacturing is subpar.

>>64020300
just issue the p229

>>64017847 (OP)
>barrel pointed towards chest
hmm

>>64017853
yes this. I don't even like 1911s that much but they're an A+++ excellent service pistol.

I can't believe that no one brings up the Cabelas quote with this one. The fact that some dipshit General politically pressured the Pentagon into skipping a proper trial for this procurement and was proud as fuck about it (and has been silent since Sigs started shooting on their own after he picked them).

Google it. Fucker said something like "It's not that hard, just give me a cheque, I'll go to Cabelas and buy some pistols." And then did massively cut down trials and picked this pistol. Kekw.

>>64020362
Ahhhhh it was Milley lmao. With much love from Australia.

>>64020367
That guy needs to be charged and imprisoned.

>>64020367
>skip testing small arms properly
>they don't perform as advertised once in service
Shocked.

>>64020381
hundreds of normie youtube documentaries will be made on this in like 15 years while hasguns have been screaming about this for years already

>>64020377
Haha he almost certainly thought he was making the right call. Think about how many people here complain about procurement being too expensive and taking too long, and pistols are some of the least important and simplest items in inventory, so he probably thought he was helping to cut through the bullshit. But yeah, absolute clanger of a call and I'm amazed that no one was bringing it up before I did just now, given the ideological hatred half the board has for him. I guess maybe the crossover between weapons autists who remember small arms trials drama like the MHS selection shenanigans and people who hate Milley must be pretty small.

>>64020388
Knowing much of anything about military procurement is a shortcut to having Cassandra's curse IRL, except that bitch didn't have to see normie hypefags post screencaps by normie guntubers gloatmaxxing about it with shit takes on YT and social media after the disaster.

>>64020392
The crimes that Milley has committed that are slowly being unearthed continue to stack on top of each other, with this latest one. I doubt he's the sole one at fault though. without question there are massive bribes floating around (sig won every single weapons contract, what a coincidence) and likely along with the tribe interference going on.

>>64019373
>hey man instead of just taking the gun to the armory and swapping it out the broken grip module with the pile of cheap replacements they have on hand , just replace the whole gun!


WOW you are a big fat retarded fucking faggot idiot!

>>64020420
>crimes that Milley has committed that are slowly being unearthed continue to stack on top of each other
What else? Apart from the fact that (you) don't like him, what crimes are you alleging?

>>64020438
He was literally talking to China to work against Trump and was also intentionally holding up the drawdown from Afghanistan. Remember when Trump said he would be bringing back 5000 troops? Milley said he was going to do it, then just didn't do it. This is part of why the fleeing from Afghanistan under Biden was so fucked, because we should have been slowly drawing down our dudes over years, instead Milley just left them all there so we had to pull out in a day and people died.
Literally treason and sedition. The guy is just a fucking disaster and it's a disgrace that he hasn't been executed.

>>64020420
You describe the product that is supposed to win in your procurement requirements (without explicitly naming it ofc), vala.
In my (European) country it is like that when the IRS buys stuff even, kek.
Corruption, by definition, exists only when government organizations interact with private ones.

I am so tired of the modularity meme.
What the military meant in regards to modularity was being able to change the grip for different hand sizes. By this definition, the Glock 19X and Beretta M9A4 are MORE modular than the NIG Saar P320, because you can swap out grips/backstraps easily and for less money than getting another whole ass grip module.
Once the modularity meme was overcome by Beretta designing some wraparound grips and Glock having backstraps, they had to bullshit up other faggot shit like the gun needs to come with its own custom ammo and SIG dropped the price of each unit to cost so they're probably sub-$200 apiece. The game was rigged from the start.
We went from the most rigorous handgun testing trials in the history of mankind to choose the M9, to some mysterious bullshit where new criteria keeps appearing to slant the balance towards SIG until everyone gave up and SIG decided to just hand the military the guns FOR FREE. Pure faggotry.

>>64020454
FCU is the future nigger get over it

>>64020442
Take it from someone with an interest in US military leadership and who was ripping on Milley a few posts up, but who has no dog in the fight and isn't in either your media bubble or the media bubble of your political opponents:

M8, that stuff is all a lot of flash for no bang. Quality and gravity of evidence ascended to the lofty heights of schoolyard rumours. It was pretty run of the mill political smear. Milley might be a lot of things, but I don't think you'll find he was the seditious traitor that you've been whipped up to think he is.

>>64020511
>Trust me, I have no dog in the fight, by the way he's innocent beyond a shred of doubt
Uh huh.

They never should have gotten rid of their M15s

Since handguns are mostly symbolic or whatever they should just issue everyone a Single Action Army with tactical engravings.

>>64020528
The Beretta is still the superior handgun to this day. Only equal in performance to the Glock.

>>64020600
Glock is the king because it's so simple. You can learn armorer level Glock maintenance in a weekend.

>>64020524
Yes mate. You'll notice that I called him a dipshit, a fucker and a retard, and said that his decision making on MHS showed shockingly poor judgement.

But also the evidence that he's a traitor doesn't even amount to something it would be fair to describe as hearsay, and would probably be most accurately called very creative interpretation of events that got a lot of airtime.

And, on the other hand, I don't think you'll find many people who will do 43 years of (well decorated, almost like people thought he did a pretty good job) uniformed military service while actually being a traitor who hates the country and the service.

Finally, the shit with Milley fit into a clear pattern of behaviour from the source of all the vitriol with Milley (who also appointed him) and the other data points in that pattern are also people who, no matter how much I might think they're self-impressed wankers, definitely don't seem like turncoats etc, like Mattis.

The common factor in all the people in (((that guy's))) first administration who he smeared as traitors wasn't that there was decent evidence that they were traitors, it's that they were the people with the balls to tell him that he was doing dumb shit when he was. Pretty low bar for the word, but whatever.

But whatever mate, I'm sure you get news blasted at you 24/7 that's pretty much purpose designed to control your thoughts and make you dismiss what I've said because I must be a pinko or suffering from TDS or whatever for saying it.

>>64020619
>You'll notice that I called him a dipshit, a fucker and a retard
Classic tactic to try to give yourself credibility. You think I'm foolish enough to fall for such low effort?
>well decorated
He's become a meme with all those wars he lost yet his chest is covered in medals.

>>64020511
>>64020619
Doesn’t matter if it’s true or not, he’s a seditious traitor for saying white men are the enemy

>>64020511
no dude he sat in front of congress under oath and said he would warn the chinese of a incoming attack.

he should unironically be court martialed and shot on television

>>64017847 (OP)
SIGS FOR NIGS!!!

>>64020671
You do you buddy, whatever.
>>64020752
I don't think that's a reasonable retelling of what he did, but whatever. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-gen-milley-explains-his-calls-with-china-over-concerns-about-president-trump

>>64020796
>You do you buddy, whatever.
Why do you type like you're both Australian and straight out of the fucking Bronx?
Also
>gets confronted with evidence by someone else
>Yeah well whatever

>>64020367
He's not wrong. The only mistake was treating his shitty knockoff pistols like actual weapons.

>>64020796
"thats not a reasonable retelling of what he did"

no thats what he did. like there is video of him doing it under oath

the reason you are having this reaction is that idea that a sitting joint chief would do that is so unbelievable its not possible

but he admitted it under oath. its so unprecedented and retarded that nothing happened to him

>>64020528
K9 handlers had M15s in inventory up until a couple years ago because the revolvers were easier to shoot blanks out of when training the dogs to react to gunfire

>>64020812
I don't know where you're getting the bronx bit from, but really it's clearly a waste of time trying to convince you that you're being taken for a ride, so I'm not going to keep trying. Like I said, you do you lol. Milley appears to have fucked up hard on MHS procurement and that's a pretty solid fact.

>>64020836
I posted a link to the video you're talking about in the post you're replying to, except he doesn't do it. If you describe what he did do and say about it in a very silly way then you could give the impression he did it, but you'd be stretching the truth a long way (to put it charitably).

>>64020300
Euro Sig is long gone. It's only Sig USA now.

>>64020362
I think the general was talking about buying Glocks instead of sigs.

>>64020428
Trust me my sigga, it's not just the grip modules that break

>>64020859
I think he was talking about abbreviating procurement processes for pistol acquisitions. I think he was talking about skipping phase 2 of MHS, but I guess I could be wrong. Either way, what he's saying is dumb and wrong. Small arms procurements need comprehensive testing, because it's really hard to work out whether they work the way they're supposed to any other way, and being wrong about it sucks pretty hard.

>>64020367
>Number of US Servicemen: Roughly 2 million
>Cabela's is going to sell 2 million modern handguns for $8.50 each

Utter retard.

>>64020900
Yeah, he's a retard and that was an incredibly retarded thing to say, but do you know what I'd call someone who thinks that every single US serviceman is issued a handgun?

>>64020367
That wouldn't have been such a bad idea if they bought pistols from any other manufacturer. They just chose Sig for (((some reason)))

>>64017847 (OP)
There was nothing wrong with the beretta.

>>64021063
How anti-semetic of you.

>>64020913
Apparently you call them Milley.

>>64021063
It was victim of muhreens and army whining about losing the 1911 that stayed with the military and got into positions to affect the next gun trials. The M9A4 was objectively the best as it was just an update which was cheaper than even the SIG, but it didn't fit into the "modular" (they flat out meant FCU) category that was made up to corruptly give SIG the contract

>>64020454
It's a good idea that is only now being realized but previously was a fashion item. On paper you create more industry by lowering the barrier to entry as now you only need to produce the FCU!/I to make a "gun" from a frame. It may be the way of the future where their will be kits like with AR's as well as full guns for people to purchase

>>64020367
This arguement ONLY makes sense if you are getting a glock 19.the trails were for brand new guns which absolutely needed testing. How the fuck did they accept such a godawful argue-
>Miley
Okay that makes sense

>>64020913
>"You give me $17 million on a Credit card, and i'll call Cabela's tonight, and i'll outfit every soldier, sailor, airman and and Marine with a pistol for $17 million"

He was talking about giving each individual member of the force a pistol for $17 million bro, did you actually read?

>>64019793
No this was 2024, I just ETS’d this past January. In JRTC, some natty guard medics were still carrying M9s

>>64019521
MOS alone makes the modern glock a worse offer than the RXM. Gen 6 may solve that however

>>64019259
They are hit and miss. Better than that sheild arms garbage, but slightly worse than most other mags, and not really worth it since glock mags are slightly more with infinity better reliability

>>64021499
>>64021464
>>64020913
>Number of people currently issued pistols in US military: 100k
>Need 100k standard NATO caliber arms with service contracts for $170 from Cabela's
>Requires threaded barrel


Here is your new sidearms bros:

https://www.cabelas.com/shop/en/hi-point-yc9-semi-auto-pistol

>>64021063
They were 40 years old and it was cheaper to replace them than to continue to maintain them. They should have just stopped shooting them though, then they wouldn't need maintenance and pistol marksmanship isn't a useful skill anyway.

>>64018078
It wasnt sitting on a table. It got dropped/slammed/or placed on the table. That's when it went off

>>64018830
What about Berettas is it that you think they shoot worse than a modern striker?

>>64021615
Do you have some insider knowledge from the video? Because the post doesn't say that. Wording implies he set it down, it was there for a bit, then went off.

>>64021629
>Wording implies he set it down, it was there for a bit, then went off.
No it doesn't. It implies that it went off when he set it down.

>>64021629
Dude just take the loss. You were bitching at that anon for being unable to read. And here you are showing your lack of reading comprehension skills

>>64018167
OG weekendgunnit was so good

>>64021615
>nooooo the gun only went off because it was dropped in its holster!
That's not the own that you think it is
>captcha: 8GAY4

>>64021654
I'm not the first guy, chill dude

>>64017872
they lost because Sig severely underbid Glock and Beretta (selling at loss) because they wanted the "ADOPTED BY THE MILITARY" branding for commercial and law enforcement sales. It worked.

>>64021615
Not to nitpick for either side but a question: Were there witnesses? Because if not it could just be a lie to cover up poor training so his chain of command doesn't get blamed.

>>64021695
they lost because they are not modular

you can cry that sig rigged it but the reality is for logistical purposes this is the new standard after the AR platform has proven how important it is

i would be willing to be the next competition will be a exact repeat

>>64019056
This is my vote too. It's got the manual safety and interchangeable backstraps the Army wants and the US military should have an American gun from an American brand.

>>64021720
What is so unmodular about a 92? Ambi safeties, ejects away from shooter, proven track record of being used perfectly fine by left and right handed shooters.
Need a different barrel and longer magazine? Ez modification. Need different sights? Ez modification.
Sig 320s weren't going to have their fire control group Modular block thing swapped from pistol to sub machine gun to rifle or some shit. New 92's can mount reflex sights with surpressors and lights. The 320 was going to remain a stupid, overpriced pistol, but it has killed/wounded more LEO and US military personnel unintentionally than the 92 killed/wounded unintentionally ever did. And their service lives don't even compare
We should have never

>>64019056
>>64021737
S&W or any other half decent pistol for all combat arms, Hi Point YEET Cannons for everyone else.

Tell me why it wouldn't work keeping in mind the money saved with YEET Cannons can go towards fancy shit for the other pistols.

>>64021063
Sights sucked, people didn't like DA/SA, bigger than most people liked, and they were so worn out that they had to be replaced.
The Army had to buy all new pistols and, just like everyone else on the planet, wasn't interested in a metal DASA gun. I still remember when the Beretta was an antiquated turd, before it was cancelled and all the marketing was dumped into shilling it.

>>64021757
This is the single most retarded post in the thread. Literally everything it says it factually wrong.

I have 2 P320s and a P365. All seemingly function fine. Do I just throw all this sig trash away? The 365 is unironically my favorite carry gun.

>>64021803
I'm not as hot on the 92 as that anon, but dude, this just comes off as pure cope and seethe

>>64021822
The moron doesn't understand the basic definition of modularity that the Army wanted, lists a bunch of shit that isn't modular in any definition, and then says that the pistols were overpriced, which is the total opposite of reality. The post is distilled idiocy.

>>64021827
For what purpose does it need modularity?

Besides SOF it is meaningless, just buy them a separate platform and give everyone else a basic bitch 9mm.

>>64017847 (OP)
The only gun I have ever owned is a 38 special. Can someone explain to me how this is possible? How does a gun sitting in a holster on a table just fire on its own?

>>64021813
365 should be fine, dont keep one in 320 chamber

>>64021813
Sell the 320s before the wider public buys into the justified hate and the value of them crash, unless you have someone you hate who CC's, in which case you should shave down the suspect parts and then give it to them as a gift to carry. The 365 is fine enough.

>>64021844
The striker is fully cocked back. It is held by a sear which is supposed to drop out of place only when the trigger is pulled. Due to reasons, the sear drops out of place without the trigger being pulled, sometimes. Imagine if your .38 was cocked in its holster and something worn out caused the hammer to fall on its own.

>>64021855
Oh yeah that sounds fucked.

>>64021854
With the FBI report out, ICE/DHS removal and now a major USAF command deadlining them it will only be a matter of time until the main stream media takes it on.
Sig will be absolutely fucked when every weapon system they've gotten adopted comes under purview

>>64021844
tiny piece of cheap metal held by another piece of cheap metal is all that stands between the gun not firing and firing upon being touched, let alone being lightly plopped on a desk

>>64021813
Keep the 365, sell the 320's now while you still can.
Hot alternate: get a P250 slide and try to salvage one of them by RVTURN TO HAMMER FIRED

>>64021855
>>64021864
How does something like this get approved in the first place? Why would the military use these when there are so many other options?

>>64021861
I wouldnt be surprised if it forces them to fix it

>>64021870
Sig did its best to keep it under wraps and attack those that it happened to. It's cheaper than a recall. We're all dollar signs at the end of the day.

>>64021854
id say keep only the m17/m18 pattern guns
in 20 years they will be valued as this old gun that was once adopted then droped because it was shit
im telling you it will be a collectors item somedya
>>64020859
is it still possible to get swiss sig 550s in america?

>>64021870
money and lies

>>64017872
>neither could beretta
Nigger the APX is literally fully modular

>>64021861
Couldn't be happening to a more deserving company. Maybe cohen will actually be imprisoned this time.

>>64021873
Shit just went from 0-60 tho, years of denial burst into a scathing FBI rebuke, ICE/DHS very publicly decommissioning theirs, and now a major USAF command deadlining theirs after a dead air man died.
MSM will pick up the story and every nu-sig adopted will face intense scrutiny- MCX/Rattler, M7, M250 it's so fucking joever Cohen will HANG

How long until the blowback effects other Sig products? Wouldn’t mind picking up a cheap MCX Rattler

>>64021870
>Why would the military use these when there are so many other options?

SIG made the bet that they could ignore the problem and people would blame it on user error like Glock Leg turned out to be without understanding that modern users actually use holsters and such that prevent it from being anything other then the gun's fault.

>>64017847 (OP)
>place gun in holster on table with the barrel pointing at yourself
>gun goes off and kills you
Sounds like bullshit. How is this mechanically possible if the gun was already on the table? And who in his right mind points a loaded gun at himself even if it's in a holster?
>>64017853
Would be kino but the muhreens tried that already, and Colt fucked it up so badly that they declared bankruptcy. They should give the contract to Springfield since they're the only ones with the production capacity to fulfill it.

>>64021872
You fix the P320 by subtracting 70.

The slide and striker design are so pants on head retardedly over-engineered you cannot just "fix" them. They shoehorned a P250 FCU to work with a striker fired slide. The only legit feasible fix would be a new hammer fired slide.m ie subtracting 70.
In case you aren't aware the P320 has had hundreds of revisions since production started - alot more than just the mere drop safety fix - and these issues still persist on new guns because it is a fundamentally flawed design and very little is holding that fully cooked striker back

>>64021757
the problem is arbitrary military shit about what constitutes the firearm and how those have to be handled when it comes to replacement. When the whole frame is the serialized part that's a lot of shit that can wear out and if any of it does it's more paper/manpower on the logistics side of things. It's part of the reason you end up with notoriously finicky clapped out handguns in the military, they're trying to get as much life as they can out of the frame which just about everything interacts with. That's why they want to have the "firearm" be the smallest and most swappable that it can be. I don't think the Sig is the best realization of a solution for that(quite the opposite), but they definitely do want modularity.

>>64021917
Can't give it to springfield - their 1911 frames and slides are made in Brazil, which is an nu-axis of evil country

>>64021904
M7 and M250 issues are going to absolutely blow the fuck up of that I can assure you.
More than likely all buying gets halted for those platforms

>>64021923
I've been telling people the M250 was a giant piece of shit for a long, long time. Glad it's finally coming to light. It got old as fuck seeing the same cope.
>Well, the M7 might be a garbage rifle, but the 250 is the best MG ever made, so that makes up for it!

>>64020367
People would be calling him a moneysaving genius if they had chosen almost any other gun
Glock, Ruger, M&P, Beretta M9
FUCK SIG

>>64022004
There was a tribe member at the top bribing him to choose the other guns though.

>>64022006
All big companies are owned by jews.
Did you know that Magpul is jewish?

>>64022009
>Did you know
No? Fitzpatrick is a jew name?

>>64021921
>He thinks BRICs is real.
Brazil is not an unfriendly country to the US.

>>64022013
Nah actually no, I was wrong.
I thought that Magpul Masada might indicate something but I guess not.

>>64021994
There's this ridiculous notion propagated by trash guntuber slop (like Lucas botkin) who got to tour nu-SiG and fire the XM250 - that it's actually GOOD and the SAW was trash.

>The M250 is ripping 2 part cases in two, covering the internals in gunpowder and stopping the cycle of operations
>belt links for some fucking reason keep finding their way behind the bolt either locking up the action or interfering with the trigger.
Runaway guns reports are common
>Jamming
>Overheating, poor heat dissipation
>rail system too thin - bending and breaking
>killing optics
>Almost double the combat load of a M249 gunner.

We could have always gotten new Mk.46's - new recievers and no shit-ass stanag backup magwell. There was also the EVOLVYS - which would have allowed us to keep 5.56 but also barrel change/bolt face swap to 6.8x51 & 7.62 NATO.

M250 is fucking trash and every nigger who suggests otherwise needs to hang until they die.
I just hope to God M17/M18 blowing up like this and eventually becoming a national MSM story puts light on the M7 and M250 and we stop this bullshit

>>64022029
Bro there's a commie in charge of Brazil now they aren't "friends"
BRICS = Axis of Evil

>>64017853
You need 10mm auto to put down a nigger in musk

>>64022136
M249 is garbage separately from the M250

>>64021834
All the Army meant by "modularity" is the ability to change grip size. That's it. It has nothing to do with swapping slides and other stuff around.

>>64018550
Hey bitch, me and my bunnies are waiting for you.

>>64022387
I know, fat grips are a big problem ever since the TT-33. As i'm sure you can imagine given my previous statements i have controversial opinions about pistols. For the majority of the force currently issued pistols i think they should have rifles instead.

>>64019277
yeah, the 4 rules exist to force marines to loudly and visibly demonstrate safety so they can be effectively policed on the firing line by only a handful of RSOs, that's all they're good for

>>64019232
>'your rabbits are faggots'
>Threatens to stalk and kill not a person but helpless animals

You are aware that threatening to kill my pets but not me marks you as a massive coward right?

>>64022957
NTA but is that a Glock 26

>>64021870
The procurement staff in the military are cheap bastards, but Sig is even cheaper. No one can walk away from $180 P320s.... at least until they start firing on their own. You get what you pay for.

>>64020224
Grip safeties are for open-bolt subguns, they're silly for pistols.

>>64021063
Fundamentally? There really wasn't, but it was all the same old pistols and they were getting really old and clapped out, so they needed replacement regardless, be that with new Beretta pistols or something else.

>>64017847 (OP)
It's over!: https://x.com/sigsauerinc/status/1948137073476571345?

>>64023376
a company shouldnt even exist after this much controversy

>>64023376
Was this statement written by an indian? It is grammatically horrifying.

>>64022336
Yeah being worn put and gimped by a backup STANAG mag feed source.
The Mk.46 dispensed with the mag well and was belt fed only.
The Army should have bought 30k-60k brand new fresh reciever Mk.46 as an interim solution it would have given us a solid 15-25 years for NGSW to get more fleshed out and future tech like caseless and polymer to develop.
We went full fucking retard with a 2 piece ammo design that offers absolutely no weight savings because we had to be hi pressure because US can't into Tungsten penetrators like RU/CCP.
We should have a semi caseless pokymer round slinging DU - which we have no shortage of but big army dumb and palms needed to be greased

>>64024437
You guys are paying for horrific DOD corruption and israeli scamming. Sorry that you got screwed over. I guess I'm sorry for myself too because it's my tax dollars that got wasted into a bunch of assholes' pockets.