Thread 64018600

>is just objectively better than most of the competition
>gets contracts from nobody

>>64018600 (OP)
Make it in black and I'd buy it.

>>64018615
It can be black

>>64018615
anon, they do.......

>>64018600 (OP)
The original M&P 9 was part of the trials for the British army hi-power replacement. It lost out to the glock and unfortunately there's no public literature on why, but Ive always thought it was an interesting what-if.

>>64018600 (OP)
Mostly police contracts, right? Isn't it up there with Glock?

>>64018615

are you retarded? seriously how tf do you know what an M&P is?

I figured that Garand Thumb video of it getting frozen in a block of dried ice and still firing would've got it some buyers

>>64018625
It can be the all

I fucking love m&ps

I'm tired of these threads where retards want to validate their choice of plastic striker aren't you?

>>64018646
Glock has around 70% of the police market. The rest is Sig, FN, and MP.

>>64018625
>no thumb saftey
>>64018635
>4 inch barrel
>>64018649
Do you people have eyes?

>>64018600 (OP)
Now that the P320 is kill the M&P will reclaim its' proper spot as the default Glock alternative, maybe even the humble SD9 2.0 will get some more love now.

>>64018669
>no thumb saftey
they thought of everything

>>64018600 (OP)
>416r barrel
>not rated for 416r
Its a good civilian gun but its not really a military grade handgun

>>64018744
so? you're not in the military

>>64018738
>FOUR INCH BARREL

>>64018600 (OP)
Who is very impressive now Americants?!

>>64018625
>>64018635
>>64018649
>>64018738
S&W DOES NOT MAKE A 5IN M&P WITH A THUMB SAFTEY IN BLACK. I swear I'm dealing with people without eyes.

>>64018776
Forgive my ignorance, but why is the extra inch that important in a sidearm?

>>64018784
It's not. 4 inch barrel is the ballistic standard for 9mm.

>>64018784
You see I was deprived of oxygen for 10 minutes at birth so I have crippling autism. That is why

>>64018776
I had the model in op. Good luck finding a holster that fits it. I couldn’t, so I sold it off. The slide locks are extended and the safety is also extended. It doesn’t fit in fucking anything and I didn’t feel like having a custom holster made.

>>64018784
If you’re running an x300 like I was then it literally doesn’t matter because the light is still longer than the slide. Just can’t find a fucking holster for it.

>>64018763
Walter is a good dog

>>64018600 (OP)
M&Ps are underrated and i'm tired of acting like theyre not

>>64018999
Holy numbers

>>64018800
>can’t find a fucking holster for it
>he isn't making his own
NGMI

>>64018600 (OP)
>gets contracts from nobody
the did it to themselves with the 1.0
not in the oh 1.0 is such a pos they will never buy s&w again
but in a fuck you customer we wont help fix our shit way.
agencys adopted them and when shit broke s&w pretty much refused to help at all and chose to blame the users. just constantly passing the buck. they didnt take responsiblity or fix/ replace the guns on their dime. getting repairs done was a bitch.
they proved that as a company they didnt back their shit.
even if the product is good now theyve ruined their reputation by not supporting it. thats why nobody adopts them cause they know s&w doesnt stand behind their product.

>>64018776
They offer it on the 5 inch tan. And the frames are all the same, pretty sure you could cut out the notches you see on the black 5 inch models and add a thumb safety. If it was a sticking point for a contract it would be a nonissue for them to figure it out.

>>64019021
Sounds like sig, jews of a feather

>>64018600 (OP)
They have contracts with Iraq. Wonder how they like them

>>64018600 (OP)
Been staring longingly at the .45 version

They’re ugly. Sorry bros, you have an ugly gun.

>>64019072
The thumb safety is widely available and all frames are cut to accept the part, with a plastic plug blocking the hole. Switching back and forth between safety or not takes only a few minutes. The safety only prevents the trigger from being pulled, it’s not an additional striker safety, if memory serves, but you may double check that

>dig out old m&p pro 1.0
>remember I like it
>get back into it and want a can
>need threaded barrel
>got a $320 match grade barrel for $70 a few weeks ago
Thought about getting a 2.0 but then I realized there are great deals out there since everyone wants to get rid of 1.0 shit

>>64018784
I keep telling my wife that, but she doesn't seem to listen. She keeps screaming that an inch is important.

>>64018600 (OP)
I will readily acknowledge that S&W has made some good stuff in recent years and have massively improved over their 1.0 catalog, but I will still never buy one just because they are ugly.

>>64018600 (OP)
They're used by Brussels PD. Given the fact FN is less than an hour away I can't imagine the amount of asspain they had. Probably less than when Liege PD adopted Glocks when Herstal is literally right down the road

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKECmHt4GRA

little benny says they're good, it's settled

>>64018776
buy a safety model and put a 5 incher on it. badda bing badda boom

S&W is such a classic American brand. They made saloon pistols.

>>64018600 (OP)
that hinged trigger shit feels like ass on every gun ive ever held but the only one of m&p that I held was the 22.lr smith and wesson, fullsize not the compact.

>>64019714
good thing they are phasing those out then

>>64018600 (OP)
Do they make a Shield in that tan?

Just buy one in .357 sig, there’s your faster 9mm bullet with a higher lbs/ft. Adjust recoil spring for the felt recoil.

>>64019160
I want the 10mm but I've heard that it's not the most reliable thing on the planet and also the barrel isn't long enough

>>64018600 (OP)
Is there a somewhat cheap way to upgrade my old M&P 2.0 with the Glock style trigger safety? I fucking hate the hinge. Other than that it's the best.

>>64018776
the thumb safety is a module that can be trivially added.

>>64020037
Hyve trigger

>>64020037
Apex

>>64018600 (OP)
>>is just objectively better than most of the competition
It's better than the P320 while doing the exact same thing.
>>gets contracts from nobody
Didn't bribe the pentagon, sorry. Cops all over have them though, IDK what you're whining about, it's a successful design and likely to benefit from Sig sales being in the toilet.

>>64020034
I've enjoyed the performance center version, but I'm not sure if that counts

>>64020461
I wish they would choose a different font for Performance Center. That shit looks like something you would see on a pamphlet a Mormon gives you.

>>64020034
My 10mm has been boringly reliable, it feeds stout .40 to nuclear 10mm.
10mm that is loaded like training .40 causes issues

>>64018600 (OP)
sadly, it's striker fired

>>64018600 (OP)
Luv me 4 inch compact .40, 'ate that its a polymer framed strikershit but what can ya do no one makes the goldilocks configuration i would like. Well taurus did actually but its tough to find a pt101

>>64018600 (OP)
bro it looks like ass
>>64018615
jesus you literally got no soul

>>64019633
ew, what a mess

>>64020710
It's the current year+9 and we are still stubbornly denying strikershit?

>>64020861
shut up, dumb negro

>>64020861
>tells me I have no soul
>supports the peanutbutter shartification of gun

>>64020034
can confirm that the magazine lips are too short and causes rounds to stovepipe/jam into the top of the breach.

>>64022425
were you using full juice 10mm

>>64022428
Just garden variety 180gr training stuff, various brands. Pic related is what I mean by feed lips though, they're short enough that a cartridge will flip upward too early. I've tried adjusting mag springs and upping the mains prong to 22lbs but it hasn't really improved anything

>>64022457
try lowering the mains prong a bit for your training ammo lol

>>64022484
idk it was the same set of issues with either configuration

>>64020471
It's literally just times new roman, dude.
>T. Mormon

I want a two tone M&P9 L
No totally not because of Lycoris Recoil

>>64022457
>>64022484
I heard they fixed this with the newer mags, but take that with a grain of salt.

>>64022964
when did the newer mags hit the market? mine are only a year old

>>64022485
but did you try it? the problem doesn't seem to occur with the other guy who exclusively shoots pissing hot loads as a form of dominance at the range or for hog defense (the correct usage of 10mm Auto, everything else is LARP) so the problem may be solved by balancing the system towards more recoil

>>64018615
Literally this. I wish they made their longboy M&P's in black but noooo they're only FDE

>>64020904
NTA but I like the enshartification of guns ngl. I used to hate it but then I realized brown is the ultimate color for camo and also absorbing less heat from the sun vs black. At some point I may pick up a 5" MP in tan because it appeals to me the most, but idk the MP feels like it's grip was designed for aliens to me

>>64018600 (OP)
In general, no better than glock.
The last 6 months S&W quality has tanked, almost every gun coming out has had issues, and no one is talking about that for some reason.

>>64018645
It lost to glock in the newest US mil trials also.

>>64024134
what are you talking about lol

>>64018600 (OP)
Ditching the beavertail was the dumbest fucking move ever and was what made the M&P 1.0 unique and ergonomically dominant.
The 2.0 still has good ergos but not GREAT.

>>64019021
S&W being shit, having bad customer/LEO support, unable to match Glocks LEO purchasing and buyback program and most importantly the abrupt ergonomic shft from 1.0 to 2.0.

Jesus christ who TF thought getting rid of the beavertail was a good idea?

>>64024115
there's nothing like OD Green

>>64025049
You spelled ranger green wrong

>>64025049
I used to think this until I realized I didn't want to look like a cop wearing all OD. It's also unironically not as good as brown in most natural areas. OD is better in concrete areas because it greys out better than brown, but in nature brown is actually far superior. Green is literally a psyop and brown turns invisible amongst a bunch of leaves due to how your eyes pick up green

>>64018600 (OP)
I own one in 9MM and another in 5.7.

I fucking love them.

>>64025059
eh they're almost the same anyways. OD, ranger, sage, whatever

>>64018999
my negro, I hate block ergonomics so much it's unreal

the glock is mechanically superior, even if the mp is a good gun. the glock 'sear' is larger and interacts with the striker over a larger surface area. the mp has a striker return spring and doesn't strike primers with as much force. the mp rear sight needs to be removed to access the striker safety plunger, which is a extremely gay design. slide to frame fitment is much looser and rattles on the mp, and the mp trigger, at least on the gen 1 mp is like 7lbs of pure nigger.

>>64018757
>single action
>maybe it has a thumb safety, but your only safety might be the trigger safety
That’s the kind of pistol that you have if a gun fight is likely and an ND is no big deal, otherwise you unload it when returning to base or the station and going off duty specifically to avoid an ND. It’s not the kind of pistol that you should carry for self defense and keep loaded all the time. Why the fuck do people choose this? We’ve known DAO and DA/SA pistols are better for self defense for well over a century.

>>64018615
I love this gun....its quite accurate too

>>64026079
Does anyone know if the 2.0 grips are coarser than this version? Id prefer the grip to be rougher than add talon tape

Also, any aftermarket companies that make grips? I like the width of the "medium" but like how the "large" adds a bit of material to the underside of the beaver tail but is to wide for my liking

>>64025958
>84-page book which tells all about Iver Johnson Revolvers, Shot Guns, Bicycles, and Motorcycles
back when companies were cool

>>64026097
You could check the sku on the grips or maybe a parts number. I want to say yes, but may be misremembering. I dont think anyone does aftermarket grips. I was looking for the same medium with the beaver tail like you a few years back and found nothing. Eventually I just kind of got used to it. I had an idea to make a 3d model, or find one, of the grip module and have one of those print on demand companies do one in non shit 3d printing plastic, but I never got around to it.

I was happier when m&ps were slept on

Now all the noguns are clamoring about it from their cuck euro states

>>64027396
The very first pistol I ever bought was an M&P 40C, something like 15 years ago. I've long since sold it, but I still have a nostalgic soft spot for M&Ps in general.

I actually didn't realize they'd gotten so popular. In fact I'm not even entirely sure I was aware that we were calling them "2.0"s now. Evidently I've been living under a rock since then.

Plastic is for toys

>>64019021
You can blame the retards at saf-t hammer. They bought S&W in 2001 and did not give a fuck about the company except as a way for them to push their bullshit safety devices. But then the 2000 agreement blew up in S&W's face and they had to walk back from that, leaving them with no idea what the fuck to do with a gun company. This was compounded by S&W being owned by a British private equity firm since the 80s, who did the standard private equity move of gutting the company as much as possible to enrich themselves.

So it's definitely their own fault, but their ownership was absolutely not pushing everything in one direction for decades.

>>64027460
metal is for buttplugs

>>64018600 (OP)
>doesnt make it to the shooting portion of the military trials
Why? Its "modular" in the same way the glawk was that you can use the compact or full size frame with the compact or full size slides. In all the goyslop guntoober torture tests and long term tests it does as well or better than the other guns, so it wouldve fared well if it made it to the test firing portion

>>64028286
Glock has a lot of name brand power, so even though it was the least modular gun, it basically advanced automatically

>>64028286
Modularity for MHS meant no more than being able to have a Pic rail and change grip size for handlets.

Smith got kicked out for reasons unknown but Glock persisted despite being no more modular than the M&P.

Glock lost because they cost a shit ton more than Sig. It makes you wonder about S&W, they've always been cheaper than Glock commercially so it'd be surprising if cost was why they lost.

M&P is without a doubt the best striker fired pistol on the market today, anyone who disagrees is stupid

>>64028733
in 9mm yeah probably
jury's still out in alternative calibers

>>64028782
Its also the best in .40, idk how it fares in 10mm or .45 tho

>>64028782
9mm is the only one that matters for a duty or tilting barrel CC pistol. Everything else is either dead, a meme, hunting, competition, rimmed or belongs on another platform.

There are no caliber wars. 9mm won a long time ago. There's just skirmishes from underground terror cells that can't do anything but cause a ruckus once in a while but overall be entirely ineffectual to the super power that is 9mm.

>>64018669
>>no thumb saftey
That's a feature, retard. Safeties are for room temp IQs only.

>>64020471
>I wish they would choose a different font for Performance Center.
I don't think it's the font. I think the gun just looks better with nothing written there. It looks like it got doodled on all over like some stupid tattoo whore.

>>64028885
Safeties are one way of reducing ND's. While they are unavoidable, they can be mitigated. I'm down to one a month thanks to manual safeties on my rifle and pistol after switching from a glock. Every time I'd clean it thered be an ND because you can't remove the slide without pulling the trigger, such an unsafe design idk how they don't get sued. Thankfully keeping it always pointed in a safe direction prevents you from blasting your head off

>>64028826
>9mm is the only one that matters for a duty or tilting barrel CC pistol. Everything else is either dead, a meme, hunting, competition, rimmed or belongs on another platform.
>There are no caliber wars. 9mm won a long time ago.

Gen 1 fucked up badly, and for contracts in mil it is always first impressions.

>>64028286
probably some O5 had a bias against S&W and arbitrarily disqualified them.

>>64018999
Checked

That is the ugliest gun I have ever seen

i shot one with the apex trigger and it changed me, as soon as they make a regular steel frame 5 inch version im switching from glock to m&p

>>64031020
Benny boy has talked about this enough and hearing it from you also makes me really curious to try one. I hate the wretched ergonomics of this gun like you wouldnt believe but if the apex trigger is THAT good it make change my opinion. Idk once ive had my fill of shooting my current handguns ill probably pick up a 5" peanutbutter one to play around with

Is the P320 a good gun?
https://www.robertrtg.com/sig-sauer-p320-flux-legion-9mm-assault-pistol-w-2x30rd-mags

>>64031001
>off by one

>>64031175
I swear to God, cat owners are all faggots.

>>64031094
>Wretched ergonomics
This has to be bait

>>64031207
Cats are fucking adorable, kys.

I've become a S&W fanboy recently after trying out their new performance center comp models.

Picked up a bodyguard 2.0 and absolutely love it

>>64018645
The original M&P was kind of ass though, can see why it lost to glock

>>64031250
Yeah, but now it's 2.0 turbo.

>>64028733
Maybe Smith didn't have the necessary resources yet to supply the entire US military?

Glock and Sig are both able to take on the manufacturing demands since they are way bigger

>>64031305
S&W has supplied the Military in the past and they're a big company. I doubt it.

>>64031305
>>64031555
Like many 100+ yo companies, they expand and contract. Economy, sales, innovation, legislation, fickle consumers, all drive headcount. The point being, they could scal to any level, given time.

>>64031226
the MP is designed for like 1/10 people. EVERYONE I have ever talked to has complained about it ergonomics, aside from a couple cats here and there. For them, its the greatest thing ever, and good for them desu. I get a kick when people say that S&W put in alot of research on ergonomic preferences of your average person in order to make the MP. Which average person? You average person who comes from Mars??? I want to like the gun so bad but it(a shield) was the only pistol I have ever shot that has physically hurt me while firing because the grip is so ass

>>64031631
>your average person
Gun owners and especially youtubers are NOT average people!

>>64031640
Theyre below average, typically

>>64031631
Bullshit. I mean not on you having baby girl hands that can't even handle one of the more rounded grips on the market, that's legit. But saying it's only made for 1 out of 10 people is just ridiculous when the ergonomics are the things most consistently praised about the platform.

>>64031660
So I'm right. Got it.

>>64031666
>when the ergonomics are the things most consistently praised about the platform.
how much acid do I have to drop to enter the universe where you live in where this is true?

>>64031725
I'm not sure what bubble you're living in but the M&P's grip texture and inserts have been very successful. I legitimately do not understand where you are sourcing your view, as it's pretty simple to look up any customer reviews and see the trend

>>64031107
>not a vertical forgrip written on the vertical forgrip
lmao

>>64031631
>EVERYONE I have ever talked to has complained about it ergonomics
We have an entire thread of M&P enjoyers here and we think they are pretty alright. Not sure what would even qualify as superior.

>>64031765
They are successful because they frequently go on sale for like 250 bucks more or less. I know a ton of normies who bought a carry pistol purely because the MP was so cheap. That accounts for most of its popularity. The larger sized ones are much more niche

>>64018653
It mogs the competition across the board in every GT video
To the point where glockfegs are the new 1911 boomers

>>64025958
>live in modern shitmerican city
>rundown slum
>somehow no rum holes or opium joints
We got the worst dystopia :(

>>64031631
>(a shield) was the only pistol I have ever shot that has physically hurt me
opinion disregarded

>>64033241
Im not gonna say that isn't your experience, but that's no representative of sales. The 4 inch has about the same sales as the shield plus, and the carry comp was a huge hit