>The year is 2027, Russia is still grinding on Donbass with casualties approaching the 2 million figures and an inflation of 3 digits, even Pyongyang has started to show doubts about sending more men and machines to support the effort, control over 20 percent of Ukraine’s territory has been reached thanks only to recruitment campaigns across Moscow and Petersburg.
>But news from a coup at Mongolia have been broadcasted for a week now, a purge of pro-russian parties is in progress, at the Kremlin Putin’s circle start receiving alarming reports from the Amur oblast, dozens of PLA armored and mechanized divisions amassing near the border, ill equipped frontier guards inform in the last days about an ever-growing interference of electronics. Western media has started to spread satellite images of large naval formations from the PLA’s Navy making full speed, but not in Taiwan’s direction, instead a stream of surveillance shows they are moving to international waters.

>Eventually circumventing Japan’s archipelago into the Pacific Ocean, then the fleets redirect course, their objective now evident, the Kuril Islands. Meanwhile across all of eastern Russia chinese-built infrastructure begins to fail, power stations, communication networks, even plant and factory systems, chinese provided satellite intel ceases, initial suspicion goes to Kyiv’s and western agents, but soon Putin is faced with the hard truth as tens of thousands of chinese men and machines heralded by swarms of drones begin to pour across Amur and ships supposedly built for an invasion of Taiwan reach the undermanned defenses of the Kuril.
>He calls the Forbidden Palace, but the line is now dead, an assistant informs him Jinping is in the news:
>“…we cannot remain idle as Chinese minorities are subjected to atrocities in territories which historically have belonged to…”
>Putin’s hands start to shake:
>“…different nations including those belonging to SEATO have received warrants our actions…”

Well /k/, how do you think this follows? Would Russia be capable to halt an invasion from China while sustaining the effort at Donbass, would the chinese be capable to ensure the coordination and logistics of such a move?

yeah. now back to reality

>>64019700
Do you think Russia will be capable to hold back a chinese invasion? How so? I am seriously curious.

>>64019707
I think you're an idiot. A serious, actual, clinical idiot.

>>64019707
nukes, unironically. but it won't happen because China can just gradually take control of the far east with illegals. why go into a formal war when you can just take what you want for free. when you have 1.4 billion people (really more like 1.1, 300m chinese people are fake) against 140 million (really more like 110 million because also, tens of millions of russians are fake) it's not a big deal to send a few million people to radically alter the demography of a region.

Russia is also apparently importing 1m Indian workers so it's actually over for them as a country. They're importing the turd world worse than the west is in terms of % of the population, while feeding actual Russians into a meatgrinder. While accusing the west of wanting to populate Ukraine with blacks.

>>64019718
Ok, so, let me ask, do you think China's support towards Russia has as much value as Russia's support towards Iran? Do you think China's long term geopolitical goal mean a strong Russia?

>>64019718
>>64019700
Found a vid from better days of the frightened, bitter vatnik behind these posts.
It looks like he does music videos?

>>64019733
Every accusation a confession.

>>64019707
To give you a non-shill answer anon, a Chinese land invasion into Siberia would be fairly easy to accomplish, with their being little Russian land forces that aren't tied up in the forever war. There'll be some resistance, but not so much that it can't be out -manoeuvred by a superior force. The maritime will likely suffer a more bloody nose however, as the Russian PACFLT has some fairly formidable vessels in it still (Oscar 2s, yasen, udaloys).
In short - land campaign EZPZ. Maritime campaign - EZ but with some Chinese losses.

>>64019733
First off we have evidence most russian nukes aren't working:

https://www.newsweek.com/putin-russia-ukraine-nuclear-missile-1957836

Secondly Kursk incursion shows they will not make such a move as a first option.
Thirdly China has nukes too, which makes the whole argument about MAD futile, as a first strike on part of Russia may ensure not just China's retaliation but western intervention in the form of a decapitation move to topple Putin from starting an escalation. Now, everyone knows PLA is untested and overhyped, but even with a cease-fire coming in the next weeks Russia will be hard-pressed to find the material and personnel resources to face a frontline, particularly somewhere faraway from their main population and industrial centers, with the added issue they are now over-reliant on chinese imports to keep their own war effort going, what I imagine is a defensive war similar to what they "did" during 1941, that's it try to make an ordered retreat while establishing new battlelines where they may be capable to start grinding down PLA's numerically superior forces.

>poojeets
Don't count on them, they are the first ones who will flee back to their own country or try to get some refugee status in the west.

1) Unless Russians press the red button, China would completely and roundly defeat the Russians, this isn't even up for debate

2) Even by the standards of fiction, 2027 wouldn't work for any hypothetical Sino-Russian conflict. China would have absolutely nothing to gain in a hard invasion of a country that they are very successfully vassalizing as we speak. What exactly would the Chinese be looking for in Eastern Russia that they can not already purchase?

>>64019762
I am wondering if Kim would take sides on this one, my guess is he will remain neutral the same way Russia did during the last Israel-Iran chimpout.

>>64019734
>do you think China's support towards Russia has as much value as Russia's support towards Iran?
That's a false analogy. Russia has offered Iran support, Iran refused.
>Do you think China's long term geopolitical goal mean a strong Russia?
China's long term survival strategy does not include being sandwitched between hostile powers. Strong? Not necessarily, but China desperately needs a friendly and stable Russia, as a hinterland in the inevitable war against the US in the Pacific. Similarly, the US long term survival strategy does not include antagonizing most of the planet against the US. This is probably all too difficult for you, but don't worry, even a serious idiot like you has place in the society. One is running the US government after all.

>>64019771
>China would have absolutely nothing to gain in a hard invasion of a country that they are very successfully vassalizing as we speak.
this

>>64019687 (OP)
>>64019690
>>64019697
There wouldn't be much of a war, just Chinese stomping out Russia's pitiful forces and hogging all the international credit for stopping a global menace. Russia probably couldn't even nuke as it would mean leaving itself vulnerable to the US who would then tag-team them.

>>64019771
Personally I think this could be both a propaganda and demographic move for China itself, they have been talking a lot about reinvindication from the Century of Humiliation and everyone thinks "the West" but it happens most of the land stolen was done or facilitated by Russia, secondly, China has a surplus of men, by launching a high casualty war against Russia they can ensure both the culling of this surplus and, due russian male casualties, tens of thousands of women with the obvious result, remember these people aren't westerners so they don't think like us when it comes to war and conquest, instead they are going to fall to that kind of behavior. Unironically the War in Ukraine and depletion of eastern minorities has created a perfect scenario for the chinese.

>>64019782
Anon I...

>2027
>Chinknese invade Taiwan, triggering World War III
>With the US busy elsewhere, Best Korea takes the opportunity to the South
>Best Koreans are rebuffed and ultimately pushed out of the peninsula entirely, form the Republic of West Korea in what was formerly Siberia
>With China busy elsewhere, Poland takes the opportunity to invade Russia and reform the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth
>Russia collapses and is partitioned out between Poland, Ukraine, and West Korea

>>64019796
Yes, an idiot. No need to reiterate, we've already concusively determined that.

>>64019801
Uh, oh, you sound like you are a bit defensive.
>ESL grammar
Oh, got it, how is the weather at Texas oblast?

Doomed offtopic thredddd
>>64019801
You type like a YouTube shill

>>64019830
Not really, I am thinking how many casualties PLA's Navy may take before reaching Vladivostok, would a siege be sustainable on Russia's side?

What is the smarter move in this scenario?

A) Side with China, and swiftly decapitate Russia, to prevent China from being drawn into a prolonged conflict where their army would be hardened in the crucible of war

B) Let them fight a prolonged conflict in which they degrade one-another, then finish off the winner.

C) "Support" whichever side is weaker so that the war continues for years, thereby destroying their demographics and economies.

>>64019774
I don't think he'd get involved in this conflict - neither are his enemy, and while his support from China is waining in recent years, it's not a breakdown in relationship status. I fully expect that best Korea will sit it out and only back one side once a winner becomes apparent. Russia, I doubt very much, can afford to pay them even more money and supplies to persuade best Korea to join their (defensive) side against China.
I also don't see them making a move on South Korea as, in this example, Taiwan isn't targeted by China, so there's no US involvement, which means they are still able to provide full power support to the South, should best Korea get uppity.

>>64019700
Russia is advancing, which means that they can recover their own dead while Ukraine can't. This is not indicative of a favorable or sustainable loss rate or major success on the battlefield.
>>64019771
>China would have absolutely nothing to gain in a hard invasion of a country that they are very successfully vassalizing as we speak. What exactly would the Chinese be looking for in Eastern Russia that they can not already purchase?
This holds true if the Putin government manages to keep stable control of the country, regardless of the outcome of the war in Ukraine. However, if Putin dies or if the government collapses, it becomes a problem for China. They'd be pressed to either prop up an new pro-Chinese Russian government, or failing that, secure their interests in the Russian far east by military force.

>>64019872
>This holds true if the Putin government manages to keep stable control of the country, regardless of the outcome of the war in Ukraine. However, if Putin dies or if the government collapses, it becomes a problem for China. They'd be pressed to either prop up an new pro-Chinese Russian government, or failing that, secure their interests in the Russian far east by military force.
I wonder if CCP is engineering a situation where over-reliance on them mean they may eventually just pull the plug on Russia so its entire economy and political order implodes, this may actually create an excellent scenario where a new russian civil war allows them to recover all their lost territories, I know for most of the 20th century they buried the matter of their territorial dispute with Russia but if their interaction with the paajeets is any indication China may decide to bring back the issue "because".

>>64019700
Last time this exchange happened Russians stuffed their own dead in coffins sent to Ukriane.

>>64019718
Oh shit. Chinks promised something. That means it's set in stone since Chinks would never ever lie or give empty promises.

>>64019762
Russians wouldn't dare to take up arms against Chinese. They would surrender at the first sight of invading force.

>>64019800
>Chinknese invade Taiwan,
They won't. CCP doesn't want open conflict with US and their allies. Xi is the same case as Putin. Senile idiot who listents only to yes men and culls any internal conpetition. He will be silently deposed before making such a stupid move.

>>64019866
C obviously. You don't want China buffed with Siberian resources.

>China invades Russia
U know this is a meme right? As long as russia doesnt collapse into warlordism, china isnt invading jack shit. Put yourself in china's shoes. Why should they invade even if we assume Russia will not use Nukes.
>But they can get the oil and raw materials in siberia!!!!
True, but they can also just buy from russia at discounted rates already without losing men and spend hundred of millions trying to pacify siberia.
>But invading russia will earn them good will from the west!!
Initially sure, they will be some applauding and reddit will upvote the latest news. But china's clash with the west has been about its own growing economic might. This is where all the tarrifs and "overcapacity" stuff comes from. China is taking a larger shares of the pie and they already control 33% of the worlds manufacturing and is predicted to grow to 40% by 2030. Once the dust settles, it returns back to the status quo so just another waste of men and material.
>China lost those land during the Qing dynasty and they should reclaim it!!
Yeah they did. But the border with russia has already been settles in 2002. Even if we assume they renegade the northern chinese provinces are the equivalent of America's rustbelt. Everyone is moving out to the south and there isnt much opportunities there. Why would they reclaim more northern lands that nobody wants to live?

Also by invading russia, it guarantees any future russian government would be very anti chinese and they would play into NATO's hand. Now image NATO spanning across all the way into china or possibly central asia, right on china's western border.

There is simply very little upside for china to invade russia. By doing nothing and keeping the status quo, they are winning.

>>64019949
/k/eddit unironically thinks the world gives a shit about Ukraine and is gonna punish Russia because they invaded that unless sithole, you can't reason with those creatures using logic.

>>64019987
Holy ESL batman

>/k/eddit unironically thinks the world gives a shit about Ukraine and is gonna punish Russia because they invaded that unless sithole, you can't reason with those creatures using logic.

>>64019987
saaaaaaaaaaaaaaar

>>64019752

>>64019767
>may be capable to start grinding down PLA's numerically superior forces.

The only thing that has ever won wars for Russia is numbers, they have no chance against a larger enemy

>>64020007
They probably would have collapsed against Germans if not for our lend-lease.

>>64019697
Russia arms nukes, Beijing realizes nothing in Russia is worth getting barbecued over. Nobody in the world would condemn Russia for hitting Beijing with spicy munitions

>>64019767
Russia has 4000+ nukes, even if thirty of them are working Chang's gonna pay.

>>64019949
>without losing men
>implying they care if several thousands of their men die
They have much more men than Russia and they also have significant male surplus.
>and spend hundred of millions trying to pacify siberia.
>implying Yakuts would wage some gorilla warfare on Chinks because they feel any sort of loyality to Puccians
lol
lmao even
Besides Chinks are pretty good at keeping unrest down as demonstarted wirh Tibetans and Uyghurs.

>>64019866
D) Let it capture russian east, but leave enough power for the western russia that china has to dedicate majority of its army in the Siberia to prevent russia from taking it back, while both sides suffer from the constant mutual sabotage and terrorism

>>64020016
They still took 20 million casualties even with Lend Lease

>>64020025
Then there's the fact that Russia will nuke them, and we'll get to see what a RS-28 Sarmat can do to a civilian population.
Russia also has a significant stockpile of novichok and VX

>>64019866
>>64019943
the smartest move is not supporting fucking china jesus christ you pinkos.

>>64019697
its been talked about before. War in siberia is a war about capturing and holding railway bulkheads

now you are going to get a lot of childish blabber here, at least as long until jannies delete this bread, about how its impossible because nook ooks. conveniently always pretending
>that is only ziggerstan that has nook ooks
>that muscovia itself is willing to get bombed over fucking vladivostok

Ukrainians in kursk showed decisively that everything outside of the imeprial black heart of pidorsburg-muscovia is fair game for conventional war. as everything else are colonial oblasts kept deliberately retarded to be leeched to death, so moscow can party on

>>64019866
definitely decapitating vatnikstan. they have active land border with europe and can cause direct far more harm with their terror campaigns and nigger mentality. Changistan, even if they get siberia, are contained by the vast euroasian emptiness on the land side, and massive ocean on other side. The few whos situation gets worsened by it, like korea, taiwan and japan. Can hold out on their own with heavy militarization. as changs have always been stunningly shit at war. Like they have never once achieved a successful invasion of japan despite the latter being embroiled in civil wars in the past that left it vulnerable to outside interference.

russia would just tactical nuke any chinese invasion (that's unironically their standard procedure going by leaked documents).

there's a point where a conventional invasion is so overwhelming that your nation is at risk of complete collapse.

>>64020143
If Russia nukes Kyiv, NATO/EU/US is going to remove Putin from power.
If China invades Russia to take part of Siberia and Russia nukes Beijing the rest of the world is going to say "FAFO"

the Ukrainians go so far as to kidnap girls to find their fathers and send them to the front, moreover the families are so desperate that they send the coordinates of the recruitment centers to the Russians on telegram, as for Russia they have never produced so much military equipment since the fall of the Soviet Union so much so that it is several times higher than the production of all of Europe combined, then they pay for the equipment that China sends them, as long as they pay and they are capable of it China has no interest in stopping deliveries and then Russia is building a pipeline that will be able to transport the equivalent of 2/3 of the gas sent to Europe before 2022 to China, this will make the payment more or less automatic in case their growth which has been +10% since 2022 is not enough

>>64020380
every smackusation is a gromfession
actual Russian prison-pussy has already become giblets.

And they seem to perform more professionally under stress than the men.

>>64019801
>concusively

>>64020380
>the Ukrainians go so far as to kidnap girls to find their fathers and send them to the front, moreover the families are so desperate that they send the coordinates of the recruitment centers to the Russians on telegram, as for Russia they have never produced so much military equipment since the fall of the Soviet Union so much so that it is several times higher than the production of all of Europe combined, then they pay for the equipment that China sends them, as long as they pay and they are capable of it China has no interest in stopping deliveries and then Russia is building a pipeline that will be able to transport the equivalent of 2/3 of the gas sent to Europe before 2022 to China, this will make the payment more or less automatic in case their growth which has been +10% since 2022 is not enough

>>64020003
Fucking lmao. It's so comprehensive too.

>>64020380
>as to kidnap girls to find their fathers
Source? That's something new.
>that they send the coordinates of the recruitment centers to the Russians on telegram
You have to be a gigaretard to believe it as presented. "Sending coordinates" my ass.
First - all locations of TCCs are available through google search.
Second - "TCC" is a rebranding of VoyenKomat("military commissariat"), they use the exact same buildings that VoyenKomats used since when they were built in soviet times. Those are not some fucking secret weapon stockpiles of workshops that anymore need to search for or use informants to uncover.
They can target any of them whenever they choose.

>>64020021
>>64020024
Did these threats work for Ukraine and the west?

>>64020545
It's funny how shitty incel Z trash such as >>64020380 is when you do a few reality checks.

>>64020128
AHHH I AM GONNA NOOOOKKKK
OH BLYAT I AM NOOOKING AHHH

Do you realize that chink's also have nukes?

>>64019792
chinas military is a russian shitshow. they just have better optics despite being just as incompetent.

>>64020545
>Source?
Either kremlin, or Anon's ass.

>>64020024
yes, the "nukes" they cant get to fire from 35 years of zero maintenance and being stolen to give to israel and to sell to the cia.

>>64019794
>China has a surplus of men
no it really doesnt. all ofits population numbers are TRUST ME BRAH tier made up. 100 years of war, famine, cannibalism, the cultural revolution and then 1 child saw to that. keep believing the "official" numbers. their population is probably 270 million if that. take that deathtrap dam out and with flooding its down to 40 million.

>>64020096
they claimed 20 million, after 15 years of famine and hunger. commies lie about numbers and cant do math or farming too good.

>>64020880
yeah, they totally arent using jewish pressgang/shanghai'ing tricks once again goyim!!!! they wouldnt pressgang teenagers to fight for them like the videos of vans rolling up and grabbing people.

>you zigger, ukraine is slava ukranski!!! our manager in mumbai saaar said we would get white women for posting saaaaar!!!

Russia might not nuke for a small border incursion (they've shown themselves dickless in that regard time and time again) but basically all the mineral wealth that makes oligarchs rich is east of the Urals. So obviously they would use nuclear weapons if that was going to be lost.

Who would win? the rest of the world since China would have 200 million plus of their population turned into crispy shredded beef and Russia would be basically destroyed.

>>64019868
>>64019774
Kim would probably take Vladivostok and the lower half of the oblast under his wing for 'safekeeping' and if China managed to win just stare them down and demand it as payment for his neutrality.

>>64021012
>Ought to be below sea level
everytime.

>>64020389
Did they collect their weapons prior to filming as to make sure nobody can pretend to be dead and shoot, or are these just Storm Z meatwaves? Too geared to be simple cube food.