What do you use for storing your guns and gun accessories? Digital or Mechanical? Are liberty safes cuck tier? Discuss.

>>64022672 (OP)
I kiester it.

$65 angle grinder from Amazon

>>64022672 (OP)
whats the point besides laws?

>>64022849
Liability

>>64022859
what

>>64022672 (OP)
I have a gun locker that stays locked. It exists strictly as a diversion as the guns are actually elsewhere.

>>64022865
For when your family has relatives over and your ten year old Adderall-addicted cousin tries to get your guns so he can reenact skibidi toilet rizzler

>>64022849
You can keep other valuables like gold or important documents like your car title and such.
I want to do that and put some gun related anime figures in there for the lols

>>64022672 (OP)
I have a Winchester safe. It’s heavy, digital. Probably incapable of stopping real determined people from getting in destructively with tools.. it keeps my kids out, as well as anyone who hasn’t seriously considered burgling a gun safe before…. Honestly the most secure thing on it is that I added a WiFi connected door sensor on the inside that pings me when the doors open.. can’t take it off from the outside. Didn’t tell anyone I put it there, and I know when I’m opening the safe, so I know if it’s supposed to be open. Figure at a bare minimum a 911 call from that plus opening the garage door remotely would go a long way towards interrupting someone trying to smash and grab…. Have a separate locking metal cabinet for ammo.

>>64022883
Where are they exactly anon

>>64022892
Pretty smart desu.

>>64022672 (OP)
About half the guns and most of the accessories are in a concealed safe in my study.
About 10 in concealed shelves in my bedroom, walk-in closet or in a locked cabinet in the concealed stairwell.
Two in a concealed shelf in the hall.
One in a concealed compartment in the couch.
One in a concealed cabinet in the basement.
Two in the car.
Two at my parent's.

>>64022849
Burglaries are not exactly uncommon, even in safe/white neighborhoods.
>Muh "Gun safes aren't actually safes. Anyone can break into them with the right tools."
25% of burglaries last <5 minutes from entry to exit, 45% last 5-15 minutes, and the majority don't involve any tools beyond a simple claw hammer or a prybar small enough to fit in a backpack. Even a cheap safe stands a fair chance of fending off the typical smash and grab burglar.

>>64022865

If you're a serious collector of rare or antique or NFA items and want to get insurance, you're going to be required to comply with certain minimum standards like getting a safe with a certain rating as a condition of the policy.

>>64022886
>what are closets

>>64023473
Doesn't house insurance already covers burglaries?

>>64023500

Most general homeowner's insurance policies have sublimits which reduces the amount of coverage when it comes to losses of certain type of high-value property like jewelry, firearms, fine art, etc.

If you want to insure those items above those sublimits, you'll generally be required to purchase additional coverage above and beyond the a general homeowner's insurance policy, which will usually also require some minimum standards of security measures to be in place, like requiring you to store the items in a safe which meets particular standards for fire & burglary resistance when not in use.

>>64023459
>>Muh "Gun safes aren't actually safes. Anyone can break into them with the right tools.

This argument always bugs me. If you think all security is worthless "because it can be defeated anyway", why the fuck do you bother even having a door then?

>>64023558
keeps the bugs out

>>64023605
That's what ICE is for

>>64023558
>This argument always bugs me.
Because you're a fucking retard anon who insists on inventing strawmen to knock down instead of actually responding to reality.
>If you think all security is worthless "because it can be defeated anyway"
That's not what anyone thinks nor what anyone said. The point isn't invincibility it's HOW hard it is to defeat, what the positives are vs negatives. A safe isn't neutral, if there's a "safe" at all, then that tells anyone "VALUABLES HERE". You could just plain hide your funs instead, and most burglaries are very fast, average time is like 8-14 minutes. They aren't going to spend an hour going through rando boxes in your basement or attic or removing ceiling tiles or whatever.

The problem is the scam gun "safes" that are sheet metal and drywall literally won't keep someone out for even a few minutes. They don't require any special tools. A motivated burglar can pry them right open, hack right into them with an axe, rip them right out and run off with most of them. And since guns are extremely attractive theft targets, that generally makes a "gun safe" literally worse than worthless. The only point of them is to keep guns from tiny hands if you don't have, like, a closet you can put a lock on or whatever. Or if you live in a non-free shit state where you're forced to obey some arbitrary BS "safe storage" and want to spend the absolute minimum required whether it does anything or not. They also don't meet any insurance requirements. They rarely provide any significant fire or flooding protection.

tl;dr: if it's not worth 5 figures of money it's not worth a safe at all. If it's worth a safe at all it's worth a true UL rated safe. And even that is only after you've spent sufficient money and effort on all the basics like, as you mention, an actual decent door to your house not one that can be kicked in in 15 seconds.

>>64024383
this is a good answer
best bet is a hidden safe affixed to a wall, which is expensive

>>64024383
Yeah if you cant justify purchasing a Graffunder or equivalent safe for your collection, then your collection is not worth buying a safe for.

>>64022849
It makes it harder to steal. It's good for limiting liability if you have guests and those guests have kids. It's a good way to store them in a way that minimizes dents, scratches and rust (safes now come with climate control, big deal if your a dixie-enjoyer). Also, it's just easier to handle your shit.

>>64022672 (OP)
Stay safe out there

>>64024765
they're expensive and heavy so you need to hire a crew to drag it anywhere

>>64022892
The garage door thing to spook them is most cunning.

>>64022892
Very cool, I definitely would install a sensor like that to let me know when it’s been opened. My little dinky pinky pistol sage at least has a loud ass alarm if you crack it open or put the password in wrong too many times.

>>64022704
>>64023558
The only time people bring real tools to a break in is when they KNOW you have a safe in the first place. Guarantee most people that have had their safes cracked or houses broken into in general did it to themselves because they wouldn’t stop flapping their mouth. Retards posting their guns and safes on social media and telling anyone who will listen deserve to get their shit stolen. If someone randomly breaks into your house and finds a safe, it’s pretty damn unlikely they are getting in.

>>64022672 (OP)
Mostly, you just want something fire resistant, child proof, and too heavy to simply walk off with. Mechanical locks are more reliable but also more work.

>>64024768
>That single bullet.

>>64024383
You can get UL rated safes for like 2k.

>>64024774
I hire people to do lots of things. I am violently allergic to manual labor.

>>64024800
Appreciate you for noticing

>>64022672 (OP)
When the survivors of WWIII poke through the rubble remains of your home and discover your safe, what will they find?

>>64024801
>You can get UL rated safes for like 2k.
Yep, and you can often find extremely good safes for very cheap "used" if you've got a truck/trailer and some buddies and are capable of moving the heavy ass things. Which granted many won't, but precisely because they're such a pita they're retarded expensive to ship, you can't just sell it on ebay or something. Neighbor got an $18k safe for $3k, so long as he showed up and took it away for them. He had 4 of us range buddies/neighbors, I have a tractor, and there was a fairly clear shot to the basement. Between us and some ample use of rope we got it in there and in place without busting anything up too badly. Paid us in beer and ammo and a range trip with him covering, good time all around. There's a lot of stuff like that, nice PTO attachments, equipment, server racks, stuff that's heavy duty steel and like 25-40% the retail price must be paying for specialized freight shipping and installation. Impossible to get rid of normally, which means if you find out about it you can often get it for ludicrous cost off.

>>64024846
A bunch of Bobby pins, some cash, mixed lot of .38 special and 10mm, and a zip gun made from tubing.

>>64024930
Radical

>>64024930
This plus jeweled butt plug. Can't die of dysentary if you cant poop.

>>64024752
Just get an AMSEC BFX or BF2. They have concrete fill, decently thick steel, a 2 hour fire rating, can be bolted down, and their doors can't be pried.

>>64024937
>>64024846
Nerds.

>>64025051
They’re both me dumbass.

>>64022849
It looks organized, and I get to reenact the obligatory action movie scene, where the protagonist arms up for the final gunfight. 98% of this hobby is larping anyways

>>64024428
>best bet is a hidden safe affixed to a wall, which is expensive
Not really. Drywall is easy to work.

>>64025067
Nerd

>>64024428
Just skip the safe and stash guns around your house in unexpected places. You have to get into the mind of the thief. 99% of the time they go straight to the master bedroom and the closet. That’s where everyone stores their shit. Just get a clothes hamper and fill it with some old clothes and stuff your guns in there. Then put a cheap decoy safe with some costume jewelry and metal BB guns in the closet.

>>64025111
You also get to mind-melt no gun normies at cookouts/parties when you swing the door open to reveal your arsenal. Husbands gush in awe, wives recoil in disgust.

>>64025124
Fair enough

>>64025129
Or you could just have a decent alarm system and a safe that takes more than 15min to get into.
>If you're a suburb-enjoyer.

>>64025135
>alarm system
I don’t think I would ever get an alarm system. All because of one neighbor. His alarm would be going off every other week while he was at work. Constant false alarms for months. Much better off with sturdy locks, doors, maybe security mess on windows, door sensors to your phone, and a ring doorbell. If you live in a high crime area, fucking move.

>>64025131
Im sold

>>64025175
Modern systems shouldn't have that problem. I'm with ADT and the only false alarms are when I've set it off by mistake. Now you can geofence them with your phones so as soon as everyone leaves it turns on by itself and as soon as you pull into the drive it turns off. Shits dope.

>>64023474
Places for other shit you fuck. Youre either a no life loser or two gun fuck with shit that doesnt take up any space. Whatever you are it sucks to be you.

>>64025216
You can do this self-hosting as well, and this is also unironically a place where all the AI shit is actually pretty useful. I don't want to depend on ai for generating or telling me about stuff, but it can do a greatly improved job of classifying stuff. I used to have camera systems that would get set off by bugs or snow because their motion sensitivity was so dumb. Now you can do very solid actual subject/object detection, classify stuff as "animal" or "human" or the like with excellent accuracy. It's made them way more useful by cutting the false positives big time.

>>64022849
I have a toddler that ive gotten quite fond of

>>64025249
Then put the little pooper in the safe if you’re so worried

>>64025249
Thing about toddlers, mate, is that you can just make more of them. I'm on my 6th toddler. I call it "Thunderdome Parenting".

>>64025261
Sounds more like "niggering"

>>64025267
I'm the father (I suspect) and they know me so no.

>>64025261
People don’t realize it, but the children at the park are free, you can just take them. I have 4 so far

>>64025282
>I suspect

>>64025282
>I suspect

>>64025313
>>64025320
I'm an attorney. I started my career in family law. Trust but verify, anons. Trust but verify.

>>64025326
I got out of family law because I got sick of parents using their kids as bargaining chips or resource farms for their own spending.

>>64024383
>>64024428
>>64024752
Delusional broke coping idiots. You can get tl15 tl30 safes for like 5 grand those are better than ul. Do you even internet. Also if you insure your shit they, one of two good companies at least, do absolutely take into account whether you have your shit in a safe or in a closet. It affects your rate/deductible. Bs safes with skinny doors and walls are an issue but so is this ignorant dribble about five figure safe or nothing. Thats pathetically ignorant.
Graffunder overrated, look at what a local department store that sells diamond jewelry and and handles money has. You guys are dunning kreuger Mt stupid savants huffing each others farts.

>>64025381
I got out because commercial litigation is easier and pays better. I haven't had a trial in over a year. Lots of motions, lots of discover, lots of mediation and lots of settlement agreements. Businesmen are easy clients who make smart decisions.

>>64025299

>>64025419
People are still going with the Epstein shit?

>>64025439
Are you shocked people don't want pedos in power?

>>64024774
>they're expensive and heavy so you need to hire a crew to drag it anywhere
Depends on what you're buying. I bought a $250 Kaer off Amazon that won't keep anyone with tools out of it, but definitely keeps kids, guests, and burlgars who were only up for a quick smash and grab. It's about 80 lbs empty, and I carried it up a flight of stairs and placed it myself.

>>64025439
>People are still going with the Epstein shit?

>>64025456
If Trump was on the list Biden would have published that shit so fucking fast. alternatively do you really think any incriminating evidence - about the most powerful people in our society and the intelligence agencies - hasn't already been nuked?

This whole thing is so fucking stupid. It's muh Russia tier from the left and muh pizzagate from the right all rolled into one giant confederacy of idiocy.

>>64025477
Yes.

>>64025488
>>64025483
Wild to go from "we'll release the files! It's on my desk!" after running a campaign partially based on it to "not real never was" in 5 months.

>>64025502
They just said they aren't releasing them. Probably because there is a bunch of sensitive shit in there. Also, as someone who followed the campaign closely he barely talked about it. If you were to log his promises and rank them by importance via frequency it wouldn't be in the top 20.

I'm just amazed that everyone is still fixated on this shit. I would say what Gabbard did yesterday, declassified 200 pages and accused Obama of treason, would be a bigger deal. But alas, confederacy of idiocy.

>>64025522
They actually could charge him with it if they had grounds instead of accuse, cultist shill.

>>64025439
>are people still going with the dog-whistle we spent 7 years blowing into???
I'm pretty sure the list/whatever never existed, but its really fucking funny to watch the magatards create increasingly less grounded excuses

>>64025539
It's been referred to the DOJ for protection. That was the whole purpose of declassifying everything. Shill.

>>64025543
Excuse me. Americans are talking.

>>64025548
>DOJ for protection
*Prosecution.

>>64025439
>at first i was
>and then i was

>>64025567
>Person who has not seen the files thinks something is in the files
>Sees the files and realizes it's nothing
Wow. Implessive.

Also, super weird that you were just lurking and jumped in with that screenshot pre-saved. Very professional. Very organized. Post guns.

>>64025548
Again, using your logic on the files (which i think exist and implicate both parties), they would have moved on him already.

>>64025571
>magat learned a phrase
Post yours boomer

>>64025577
They are moving on Obama et all right now. The movement is happening.
>They would have done it sooner
They have only just finished gathering the evidence and declassifying it.

Idk if it's true or not, just saying that it's a pretty big deal and yet certain parties on the Internet only want to talk about Epstein and how Trump is in some way involved.

>>64025581
I'll post mine in response. Post em.

>>64025584
So they got the epstein files and did nothing with them, despite popular and party demand in 5 months but can move on obama 3 days after they release his docs? Kinda seems like they got nothing but are fans of pedos. Post guns, cultist.

>>64025595
I asked you first. And I know you're not going to post them

>>64025600
I think we argued in the past about the libs winning the wi supreme court post trump election. You've seen my guns. Cultists like you are the reason the party is fucked right now, putting dear leader above removing pedophiles.

>>64025623
>I think we argued in the past about the libs winning the wi supreme court post trump election.
Nope.

Post guns

>>64025623
>the party is fucked right now
Lol. Lmao even.

>>64025623
>Cultists like you are the reason the party is fucked right now, putting dear leader above removing pedophiles.
What gives you that idea?

>>64025647
>Samefag
Stop posting from the script and post guns.

>>64022672 (OP)
Only digital

>>64025629
So it was another shill seething about how crawford won a state trump won? With the exact same posting style? Pretty sure you also called people cowards for being pissed about the BBB when it was selling off a fuckton of BLM land, posted guns there too. Got reported for offtopic, never saw guns posted from a magat. Post your guns, shill. Stop stalling for your discord to shit a pic out for you.

>>64025581
>>64025567
You already lost and humiliated yourself when bbb passed :)

>>64025647
>>64025636
>samefags
Fucking shills

>>64025658
>Speed running through the script
Post guns, shill.

Rip thread. Thanks Pol tards

>>64025667
Feel free to stop samefagging, but at this point you would just post someone else's guns. You aren't american

>>64025673
You still haven't posted guns. Once you do, with a timestamp, I'll post mine. Simple as.

>>64025674
Yes, I'm sure your discord group could provide that timestamp.

>>64025683
It's incredible how easy it is to bamboozled you. I just asked for guns and that's it, your done.

>>64025689
>has not posted guns
ooo noooo, so bamboozled

>>64025693
Yep. I asked, you're doing everything possible not to post them.

>>64025696
You'd need to earn it, thicc boi

>>64025704
>Derails thread with libshit /pol/trash
>MAGATs! Cult!
>Can't post guns
Every. Single. Time.

>>64025706
>yet to post guns
>thinks I did anything but laugh at your divorce from reality
Many such cultists

>>64025711
>Gets asked to post guns
>No u have to post guns!
Every. Single. Time.

>>64025326
If you feel the need to verify there is no trust. Just say you TRUST NO BITCH, anon.

>>64025721
There's a reason everyone tells the father the kid looks like them but not the mother. The mom KNOWS the kid is hers. The father? Miiiiiiight just need a little social incentive to stick around because he never really had the ability to know until DNA testing. Earlier paternal blood type tests were kinda trash, a recessive O type gene was enough to throw them all to hell.

>>64025394
>Delusional broke coping idiots
>tl15 tl30 safes
>those are better than ul
TL 15 and 30 ARE LITERALLY UL RATINGS YOU FUCKING RETARD. "UL" stands for "Underwriters Laboratory", they came up with the fucking tests. I didn't advocate for any specific brand, just something appropriately UL rated for what someone wants and the value they're protecting, which could indeed be TL15 or 30. Also the posts you're replying to are literally advocating for buying decent quality safes.

>>64025717
>still not workin for it

>>64025743
I don't need to work for anything. You can't post guns and are thus a shill. Simple as

GTFO my nice Safes thread you fuckers and back to containment in /pol/

>South Park mocks Trump and the shills are in a frenzy
I mean, it wasn't even that funny

>>64025763
based

>>64025763
So im kinda new to the whole "post guns"-autism, how does it work? I post my gun/guns with a timestamp and my word becomes law?

>>64025843
People realized that certain anons are not anons but bots/shills so asking them to post will result in a meltdown. Once you post, you're an American or a gun owner so your opinions are taken as being in good faith.

>>64025843
Kys noguns newfag, go do your homework or something
>t.2015 oldfag

>>64025847
Problem is, as the other guy pointed out, there's now networks of americans that real paid shills have built up to defeat it. Always gotta check time, best is what p90 anon did, but even that is defeatable unless you got a (You) in there.

>>64022849
If your state banned the guns you own and you kept them like any real American would.

>>64022883
Metal sided locker with an Apple AirPod inside is good enough unless you’re hiding things from your government or you want it fire-proof.

>>64025886
Hope you like getting assraped by glowniggers, there's no reason to break the law just to get killed

>>64022849
I suppose there is something to be said about having a climate controlled box for storage. Wouldn't want them to get all moist.

>>64025911
I can fix her

>>64024800
for when the spam runs out.