Thread 64027045

Forced Reset Trigger & Super Safety General /frtssg/

General to discuss fully semi-automatic devices, such as the forced reset trigger (FRT) and super safety (SS).

News:
>Atrius did round 2 of orders for the Super Selektors

Is it legal? Yes! Unless you live in a cuck state.
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/rare-breed-triggers’-frt-15s-and-wide-open-triggers-wots-return

Distributors:
https://www.activesafetydesigns.com
https://atrius.dev
https://deeznutztactical.com
https://www.deltateamtactical.com
https://www.fittyactual.com
https://greymarketresearch.net
https://hoffmantactical.com
https://rarebreedtriggers.com
https://redactedarmsllc.com
https://www.tacswap.com

You've heard of FRTs, but what's a "super safety"?
>like an FRT, but a different mechanism (the safety)
>cheaper than an FRT
>$90-$120 for full drop-in kit
>3D printable or CNC (recommend stainless/4140)
>most are 3 position cross-bolt safety
>left is safe, right is semi, middle is fully semi-automic
>Atrius now shipping the only super safety that operates like a normal AR safety selector

How it works:
https://youtu.be/KIxsnh2fFTo [Embed]

To make an AR-15 super safe you'll need:
>M16 style/"full auto" bolt carrier group
>H3 or H2 buffer weight (will do 600-750 rpm of 5.56)
>"low shelf" lower receiver
>SS
>any AR trigger so long as you give it an SS cut

Last thread: >>63918378

>>64027045 (OP)
Does it work with AR9s or similar guns? Like a B&T APC9, or a JP5? Because those guns have different bolts.

my bad wrong last thread:

Last thread: >>63980245

Just got an update from Atrius today, saying my order is shipping.

Jealous of folks out west that can go innawoods to shoot, here in MI I'd have to drive up to the family ~8hrs away, leaving me to go to some shit indoor that allows "rapid fire".

Will keep y'all updated should I fuck up the install or if it runs good or what-have-you!

>>64027128
Me and three other buddies got the same shipping notification today. I was a cunt hair away from canceling too.

>>64027053
Yes, debatably better than a normal AR-15 since the ammo is way cheaper and it's way softer to shoot. What is important to note is that a roller delay buffer is useful to mitigate the bolt bounce and get it working reliably. There are solutions for the MP5, the stribog, and IIRC the vector in development

6th for AS Designs actually shipping my SP5 lower order from the middle of May that they've delayed 4 times and is now shipping August 8th (if they don't delay it again) instead of the middle of June

>>64027150
I considered it too man, we'll see if it was the right choice.
I've got an Anderson lower and Schmid "mil-spec" waiting, though it'll be in a dissy build, so not sure how that's gonna pan out. I also have an "OIF M16A5" "inspired" build in 6.8 SPC I could try, but that's a pretty ... "special" build that I'm not sure would play nice with the ASS, moreso than even the dissipator... (Besides, 6.8 SPC is retardo expensive, even handloading.)

>>64027228
I'm going to try it in my mk12 with a LaRue MBT2.

>>64027045 (OP)
We need a Ruger 10/22 drop in FRT. Also, a 212 round pan magazine.

>>64027277
Nice! I imagine that'll be a smooth shooter. Do you have to modify the LaRue? I have an MBT earmarked for another build, but if it'll work unmodified, that could be big.

>>64027344
I don't believe so. I did mill one to work with a super safety though.

>>64027128
I'd say something like "move up north" but I think we have enough faggot downstate niggers crowding shit

>>64027360
I'm originally from da yoo pee, but moved downstate for work, and regretted it ever since :/ I went back up for the 4th and immediately started frothing from the mouth about all the fucking tourists.

>>64027351
I might give it a shot then. Not that there's anything wrong the Schmid, I'm not really a trigger snob, but I bought it specifically because of all the good things I hear about them, so I'd be able to try it out sooner, you know?

>>64027400
It's real bad this year I want these people to die.

>>64027419
One can hope that someday we'll blow up the bridge and secede. (AND build a wall to keep the cheeseheads out, turn Iron Mountain into a fortress)

Of all those SS kits, whose is the best? Or are they all essentially the same? Not buying DTT/RB, or Atrius.

>>64027540
I like grey market research and asdesigns

I think S7 is good enough but according to asdesigns about CPM-10V tool steel
"This is the highest quality tool steel for a SS cam that you can get, there is nothing above this."

>>64027591
Liking AS Designs ones for the price. Even the cheaper ones say they'll last upto 10k rounds without issue. Someone in the last thread said his Atrius selector was showing signs of cracking or something? at around 1k.

>>64027403
I wasn't either until I started competing. I don't think that the trigger matters on FA/SS but for precision it certainly does. LaRue is a good value.

Looking for suggestions for AK hammer springs with more power to prevent light primer strikes.

Working on getting my buddy's Yugo M72 RPK working with this setup:
https://www.supersafetyshop.com/product-page/ak-m70-zastava

Pretty sure the carrier is rubbing and binding on the trip bar. Way too much friction. Cycles, with a hammer.

We've been slowly grinding the trip bar thinner and thinner. Is it okay to take material off the carrier where it rides against the trip bar? How thin can we go on the trip bar?

>>64028681
I'm too much of a bitch to modify anything (other than the grip) on my AK, so I don't have anything to add other than neat 86S, friend! I tried bidding on GB for one, but didn't realize how much they go for...

>>64028681
I'd avoid taking any material off of the carrier itself since thats going to be a bigger, more expensive thing to replace. How thin have you gotten the trip bar down to? I know in my milled Bulgarian I had to really take a shit ton of material off a standard stamped AK trip bar and then also polish AND grease it to get it to run, as well as trimming some off of the front of the trip bar to give it more clearance when traveling forward and backwards. Unrelated but anyone know of any B&T TP9 FRTs?

>>64027045 (OP)
Help, I'm a retarded zogbot that ate leaded paint chips. Respect me for my dooty and appeal to authority.

Without telling me why this isn't a gimmick, can somebody tell me why it's not a gimmick?

>>64028681
I have the same problem with my chink AK. Slowly getting the bar thinner and thinner. And I used a Damage Industries chrome silicon spring.

Got my rarebreed fart in the mail. Installed in about 10 minutes. It really is plug and play. Punch the pins out and slip thr cassette in. The cassette is held in with threaded pins so no risk of walking. The only hiccup was i had some trouble closijg the upper on the lower. A quick google seqrch indicates the reset bar was interfering with the BCG. I was able to solve it by closing the gun as much as possile and slipping a knife between the upper and lower and pushing the reset bar forward. That allowed the uper to close the rest of the way. That's concerning to me from a field expedience standpoint but I'm not larperating yet so whatever. Something to cinsider thiugh if you want this is a combat gun. Apparently this is only an issue with some BCGs and if you shop around you can find one with a geometry where this isn't a problem. Will report back when i go to BLM land next week and test it out.

>>64030827
nice one, hope it works well, bring a couple of buffers, h2 or h3

put in an order for one of these bad boys with the TARS trigger. hope it doesn't suck

some useful info for the copypasta would be that the super safety is compatible with a wider variety of aftermarket triggers like geiselle SSA or the G2s (unfortunately not the larue mbt, but still), unlike the atrius or casette style FRTs that leave you stuck with a shitty trigger, this may or may not matter to some, but probably worth putting in the copypasta

glad to see this turned into a whole general thread

>>64027045 (OP)
is the ak super safety any good? looking for a 3 position ak one but seems like most are just 2 pos

>>64030903
this is my favorite general

>>64030903
Is there really a list though? Some say the ASS works with things like a LaRue, others say it doesn't... Need more data I'd think.

>>64027045 (OP)
Ok, Atrius has _finally_ shipped.me 2. Now what, drop in or dremel? I just want go brrrt.

>>64027128
Me too, bro! And I'm "out west".>>64031280

>>64031286
Lucky dog. The DNR is super gay here and have all kinds of loopholes that contradict other rules, so even in the bigger "reserves" like Waterloo, target shooting is a no go anymore. :(
I'll just concuss the shit out of myself and get a TBI at some indoor hole. I only know of Top Gun in Taylor and Uncoiled in Livonia that allow rapid firing (if you ask)... Oh well, needs must. (Point being, SUPER jealous of you free range anons)

>>64031325
>SUPER jealous
Don't be. My range is well.over 10 minutes away, and with no RSOs, it's scary. But my FRTs should keep away the bigfeets.

>>64031435
We used to have this... "range" in Lapeer everyone just called "the Pit" that was practically a free-for-all and dudes would just rock up with their trucks straight to the firing line, jump out, rip off twenty rounds from their Barrett or whatever, then drive away. Was kinda interesting, but then the state shut them down and it's been rebuilt into an actual DNR range, unfortunately.

>>64031435
>scary
>>64031522
>free-for-all
I was being facetious. It's pretty tame. Until I bring the Tannerite or gatling gun. If you go often enough, you get to know "the regulars", all in all, a great bunch. Early mornings, the backstop can shade the targets, but this time of year, it's cooler.

>>64027128
>order 3462 just shipping
>I'm in the mid 5000s
I might actually move before my order gets shipped. I'm going to have to email these dudes my new address at this rate.

>>64031618
I'm in the 3900s and they are getting thier shit together, take heart, all is well!

So is pretty much the only way to get one of these without being tracked is to buy a 3d printer or use one from a friend and just make a bunch of these and just use them as disposable items?

>>64030903
MBT2 is compatible if you own a drill press or a dremel.

obligatory request for someone to FRTerize the TP9

>>64031794
we're going to need to get you a bench grinder anon

>>64031950
It's on the list but I can't prioritize the workshop right now, or any new tools. I need to finish the baby room wainscoting and build a deck before I go in further on the shop. This ork tier machining works great. I dropped it in an LMT MARS and it runs at around 900 rpm.

>>64031957
If it runs, it runs! Glad to hear its treating you well

>>64030878
Is this the first gun shipping with an FRT ready to go? It's awesome

>>64030878
>>64032080
I wish someone would sell a 3 pos already, there has been several people showing it off and testing

>>64031914
I just want to hold this one handed and shoot it full semi

>>64031752
or buy second hand through online marketplaces or local gun websites. Probably will be at gun shows in the next couple years and pay in cash

>>64031752
>without being tracked
Dude you are already so "tracked" it's not even funny. Just think about how many cameras you DON'T see in your daily life. These are all linked back to facial rec at Skynet.

>>64031752
brother it is far too late for that
>>64032725
you're probably on camera right now:
https://deflock.me/
not to mention all your digital devices are unironically spying on you

What is the best way to buy an FRT anonymously from Laurence Demon(ico) and Rare Greed now that their TOS says they will keep all records indefinitely to hand over as soon as dems get power and demand all sales records.

>>64032759
>buying from RB
Unironically, why? You can get 4 super safeties for the price of one of their FRTs. I assume you could find some from private sellers on tacswap

>>64032080
it's a kit build and production is a couple months out at least, but yeah first I'm aware of with the option.
>>64032189
haven't owned an AK's or used that version of FRT before. If it's anything like the AR version it's pretty easy to do semi still. 3-position would be sick for cloning autism though.

>>64030878
>put in an order for one of these
Nicely done.

Anyone put an order for an atrius in with Performance Triggers? if so has it shipped yet?

>>64032759
>>64032826
I don't understand why you fags buy RB triggers for like 400 or 500 dollars, you can print fucking 10-20 of the hoffman ones for like probably 50 bucks and it would last you your lifetime. The RB owner is a massive roided fag. You are funding his mansion in Montana or Idaho or wherever hes from.

>>64034070
>You are funding his mansion in Montana or Idaho or wherever hes from.
More jealous words never typed. Yes, I drink Black Rifle coffee, how could you tell?

>>64034070
>I don't understand why you fags buy RB triggers for like 400 or 500 dollars.
Because We Can..... AssHole.

>>64030827
First drop the hammer, the push the lever forward and hold the trigger back when closing the upper

>>64027045 (OP)
with glock frts like this with a shitty poorly printed shoe, how do i cut out a stock or aluminum shoe to fit the trip hook?

>>64034751
Didn't work initially but this plus giving the charging handle a little tug backwards as I was closing made everythig click into place. Thanks! Still a little clunky for field use but at least now I'm confident i don't need any tools to open and close the gun.

>>64034762
Business fag here I might start selling these with shoes that aren't pieces of shit if the situation for them is that bad, will post about it here if I do

>>64034762
They couldn't be bothered to deburr any of this shit before shipping out?

>>64035066
whats worse is, the shoe is warped to hell and the holes are ovals.

>>64035034
>Business fag

>>64035142
You smell new.

>>64029074
>>64029769
Right on, I'll keep thinning the bar out!

>>64028748
Not my gun, just saw it at the based LGS. Super cool.

>>64030827
>>64034751
>>64035028
Neat, report back!

>>64031280
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2PO44uzhyU

>>64034036
I would just order direct.

>>64030840
I already have a 5.1oz rifle buffer. As I understand heavier is better, right? If not I'll have to stop by the LGS and get a carbine buffer.
>>64035516
Will do!

>>64035516
>I would just order direct.
at the time i couldn't, atrius was completely sold out.

>>64035516
>>64031280 (You)
Thx, I knew I'd have to fuck with it.
>if it's too good to be true, it probably is.

>>64030840
>bring a couple of buffers, h2 or h3
More variations to.get thos to run.

>>64034759
stl please

>>64035516
I don’t know why people jump through so many hoops to just get a flip safety super safety, instead of just using the push safety. The result is a flimsy, finicky pot-metal piece of shit

Being trained how to shoot on an M4 and then moving to an AUG with a push safety was totally fine. I’ve never felt the need to emulate the AR controls on every gun

>>64039132
Because the AR safety is objectively the best safety and some people refuse to take a step backwards in one area even if it means a step forward in another. For the gun crowd that frequently shouts "no compromise!" This shouldnt be a foreign concept.

>>64039691
>the AR safety is objectively the best safety
Lol. Lmao even.

>>64040415
They hated him because he spoke the truth

>>64040472
Explain how it is “objectively” the best safety

Just took my 9mm AR to the range with SS installed and holy fuck this thing is >1000 RPM, its nuts. How do I slow it down to the ~800 RPM range? Currently using a 6.8oz buffer, carbine spring, PSA bolt (dunno the weight but its a one piece BCG). Would the bullet weight have any effect on firing rate? This is cool as fuck regardless

>>64039691
>the AR safety is objectively the best safety
Actually, I really like the Elfmann Speed Safety, a button 870 type, but doubt it is compatable with the Atrius dingus.

>>64039691
Nah, the best kind of safety is one that's actuated by the trigger finger, as that makes it impossible to simultaneously disengage and pull
>but what if-
The negligible fraction of a second won't kill you, NDs are far more likely to kill

>>64040773
Consider a maxim roller delay buffer adapter. It'll smooth out the impulse and take down the cyclic rate a bit.

Question: Deez Nuts SS, it is normal to be in semi-auto, gun cocked, then move the safety to full-auto and have a dead trigger?

>>64040415
>>64040521
>>64040798
>>64041082
Thumblets coping

>>64027045 (OP)
Any recommendations on a 10mm PCC i can use with a super safety, sub $1000? Im new to the rifle scene, finally have a little big boy money. I wish I could use one with the hipoint 1095, I've heard good things about it memes aside.

>>64041370
there is no full-auto function, there are no machine guns here

>>64041082
>hurr durr you shouldn't be off safe unless you're about to shoot!
Literal 1920s mindset

>>64040773
flatwire buffer spring should slow it down a fair bit, then use buffer weight for finer adjustments.

I want the FRT-15L3 but it feels so dirty buying it from rare breed
Like a blood diamond

>>64042841
Personally I think Rarebreed actually putting thier money where their mouth was and risking prison time to get FRTs declared Not Machineguns balances whatever karmic debt comes from patent trolling Hoffman. Do whatever you think is right though.

>>64031914
I'm looking into it, it would probably have to be a push through design instead of a real 3 position and the trigger group is already really cramped in the lower, but I will continue to try anon

>>64041234
>>64042782

Thanks y'all, appreciate the help. I'll get a flatwire spring and a 10oz buffer first. I've been thinking about the maxim roller delay but some reports I've seen actually say the firing rate goes up since you have to remove the weight from the bolt to make it work, plus charging can be stupidly heavy from a down hammer. I still think its cool and will prob get one eventually

One more question: Is there really any need for the centering blocks that go over the lever and keep it from having lateral movement, that deeznuts and others sell? I can see how hypothetically that could be a problem, but not once have I seen any videos or posts complaining of that being an issue

>>64038583
V2 Pembletons Glock Shoe

>>64043208
People will tell you that they are superfluous but they have sorted out two of my lowers. IME they will mitigate spec issues with the upper and lower. You gotta keep in mind that unless you have a M16 cut lower you can't be too sure of the geometry. It's worth the $1 price tag, certainly.

>>64043342
Can anyone update with a rarebreed FRT L3?
Are they currently shipping? Do these have more mechanical advantage on the reset as compared to super safety lever designs, effectively reducing the amount of gas/energy which is required by the operating system to forced the reset against trigger finger force? How is the longevity and reliability?

>>64043371
you can use them in high shelf lowers but the mechanism in the trigger can gunk up if not cleaned

>>64043208
>Is there really any need for the centering blocks
Nominally it's not necessary but it depends a bit on your lower receiver. once you have your SS kit you can check by simply pushing the lever all the way to one side in the super safety track, checking that the lever has adequate room, then checking the other side. Your upper receiver's sear shelf also may or may not interfere with the SS, which likewise you can test manually by rotating the SS with your fingers and seeing if it catches on the upper. GMR used to have a really good troubleshooting page with all this info but I think it got taken down for liability reasons.
That all being said it does hurt getting the centering piece. For a permanent solution you would want to file out the upper/lower receiver as needed. Permanent of course but it is easy to do with a handle file or dremel.

>>64043473
*doesn't hurt getting the centering piece.
And I worded that weirdly; the potential clearance issues can be due to both the lower and upper receiver not just the lower

Gotta love the 3 position FRTs

>>64042841
Idn, I kinda feel for them.
>Develop awesome new trigger basically shitting on the NFA
>spend millions fighting the ATF
>get undercut by dozens of other companies who copied your idea while locked in an expensive legal battle.

Idn the full story but they went out on a limb for gun owners and got shafted

>>64043665
They sued people for using a totally different design that is noninfringing, that's the issue.

>>64043922
A bit but they got shafted. The FRT was their concept entirely and while they were paying lawyers hand over first a whole bunch of people come out with their versions AND were selling them all while rare breed couldn’t earn a penny. Id be pretty raw if that happened to me

>>64043975
>Bank of America lost a lot of my money so I robbed a Wells Fargo

They are mostly suing people who use a totally different design. The Hoffman SS is not an infringing device.

>>64044005
I don’t care about the legality it’s still a forced reset trigger. Don’t be obtuse about it. If that happened to you, you’d be mad too. Force reset is a brilliant idea and everyone profited but the dude who came up with it.

>>64044174
soooo basically like every firearms designer ever

>>64030903
>unfortunately not the larue mbt
Why not?

>>64044174
No, I would not. I'm an IP attorney so I actually understand the subject matter. FWIW I think that Rare Breed's FRT only partially overlaps with the SS in terms of the market, patent issues aside. Plenty of people would want a drop in cassette style trigger with a standard 180 degree lever.

>>64043975
>The FRT was their concept entirely
it absolutely was not. Forced reset mechanisms (and patents) have been around since the 70's. DTT didn't even invent the AR specific one, they simply purchased the rights and that is what they are enforcing, an AR specific forced reset cassette trigger. Not forced reset triggers as a concept.

>>64044870
Still doesn't make Hoffman any less of a faggy free rider who conveniently waited for the Rarebreed consent decree before releasing the SS for sale.

>>64044885
>Hoffman
Hoffman doesn't sell them you tremendous faggot. He released the files of his design completely free and open source to everybody on the internet.

>>64044885
Damn how can you be so confident and so uninformed about what you are talking about?

>>64044885
You seem like the type of fag to have somebody piss on your back and you accept its rain

>>64044885
hello jimmy

>>64027301
There's one in the works on the Hoffman boomerbook group. The guy has shown video of it in action.>>64027301

he's cooking

Regarding the rounded hammer shit for the mp5, I don't need a rounded hammer if I'm using the asdesigns lower with a gieslee trigger right?

>>64032826
okay please be real with me. is there any fucking difference between the feel of a SS and a FRT? like, any at all, because rarebreed chuds have told me that FRTs feel more like "true pseudo full auto" but i have a hard time believing that when they do the same goddamn thing as a super safety

>>64046833
I haven’t shot a rare greed FRT, but I have shot actual full auto. A super safety feels indistinguishable from full-auto

>>64046781
>unsafe
>full
>fuller
God, boomers are so lame!

>>64044895
>>64045081
>>64045081
>>64045911
>>64046025
Truth seems to rile up the retards around here.

>>64047160
Literally no part of what you said was true

>>64047586
Also rare breed didn’t even create the concept of a forced reset trigger. See: the 1911 patent for a FRT created in the 40s

The First U.S. Patented "Idea" of Forced Reset Trigger.....
Rare Breed Has NO GROUNZ....

>don't buy some guns because it feel bad to have a semi auto "smg"
>FRTs become legal
>people only make them for ARs and shit
I'm on the edge of just designing my own, but I don't even own any of the guns I want to design for. Nor do I own a machine shop. Nor do I have a type 7 ffl. Nor do I have $50,000 sitting around to do the above.

Wat dou?

>>64047966
Do it anyway

>>64047968
How can I design something that I do not have the means to create, test, or sell?

From everything I've seen, machine shops won't touch firearms work with a 10ft pole, and any shop that would could just steal my design.

>>64047966
You only need the type 7 to manufacture, not to design I believe, and there are some options for free CAD programs, and I don't think a machine shop would try to steal your design because you would have all of the original files/drawings to prove its your IP
>tl;dr just do it faggot

>>64048008
I'll mess around with it maybe, but I don't think I could legally argue it's my IP without a patent, and I can't get a patent because there's really nothing new - it's just for a different firearm.

I wish someone would make a 3 round burst mode as well, I understand that this would be super complicated but it would be cool for a m16 build

>>64048119
Depending on how different the firearm is you probably will have to make substantial changes to the original FRT design or you could just make a new design all together. Maybe run it by a patent lawyer or something to make sure you're in the clear from Rarebreed adding you to their hit list

>>64048119
You are wrong on every point, anon. Nobody can legally swipe your idea, you have a year post public disclosure to seek a patent, and a novel design for a specific firearm is likely patentable.

t. IP Attorney

>>64048508
I've debated the FRT situation with a patent atty specific to firearms.
>Advice is to stay away due to RB's deep pockets and litigious attitude.

As with all patent stuff, it's fought in court by retard judge/peers that have no understanding of mechanical engineering.
Up to RG to put money on it ot not. Prob 4Mil to defend each case. While anon and his LLC have no assets. Pro Se case.

You can patent any change in product, like you say. But RG may butt in like the KoolAid man and demand shekels. I don't think they really have a case on utility. Or on SS. But someone with deep pockets needs to get that said in court.

Have a half dozen FCG designs that incorporate SS or FRT. But hesitant to actually include the trip lever or SS cam. Waiting on what happens to SS in court.

>>64048825
The judge will be competent on the subject but regardless of that it is true that you can't beat the ride even if you beat the rap. Whether a patent is economically viable is not a legal question, and yes fighting a case is expensive (until you win). The thing is that if (you) file for a patent of your own you put Rare Greed in an extremely disadvantageous position. They'd have to argue that the USPTO erred in granting you a patent, and that said patent violated one of theirs.

My opinion is that if you have an idea for a FRT for a different gun you should seek a patent. Ffs you can even sell it to Rare Breed if you want.

>>64049034
Would agree.
RG has AK and AR.
RG was also given utility on FRT for the time being. But they forget to mention the 1930's patent in citation.
Utility until it's overruled.

No real cost on a provisional.
But the actual patent with citations is a time sink.
Or I guess I could wing them.
Some patents have garbage wording and definitely not physics-mechanical engineering wording. I'm doing this wrong.
Even RG's patents are shit. You spent/made all that money, and that's all you came up with for USPTO??

>>64049056
Their drawings are garbage too. They omit the springs. You can get a patent for under ten grand as a micro entity BTW. The first thing I generally recommend is a prior art search.

>>64049034
Prob just need one patent now that I think about it.
Same design over multiple platforms.
System is the same.
Include all the drawings over all the platforms so they are all included.

Given how RG shit on everyone, I guess I'll do it for spite.
Shadenfreude and all.

>>64049070
>The first thing I generally recommend is a prior art search.
Yeah. The research is a bitch.
But the basic platforms I'm working on are oldies/expired patents. Can't even get me on trade dress.

>>64048508
Alright, I'll see if I can find some reference models or blueprints for the firearms I was interested in. I was thinking I'd make one for the sp5.

If any anons know where I could find those, that'd be great. I'm having trouble finding anything with actual measurements, especially for the sp5 specifically, not the mp5.

>>64047966
>>64047976
>Nor do I own a machine shop
do you have a hand drill and a set of files? then you're golden. get on it. and im not joking.
if you're serious then get started bro. and sorry, you'll likely have to buy the gun you're working on.
>How can I design something that I do not have the means to create, test, or sell?
If you have the IP then you can see if companies that already sell super safeties/FRT's are interested. have some demo pieces and videos and you might be able to strike a deal. focus on leveraging the IP if you dont feel you can do a startup yourself, which is understandable.

>>64049272
To be clear, I suggest that you *pay* for a prior art search. Any boutique patent law firm can contract that for you. It'll probably be $1500ish, maybe cheaper.

My Atrius arrived. I installed it in a (fully pocketed M16) lower with a LaRue MBT2 trigger. It appears that it'll work on SS but I'm not sure if it will work on semi. It's giving me a dead trigger when I manually cycle it. I have to push the trigger slightly forward to set it. Interesting.

Got my Atrius last week and finally shot it and got into trouble at my range since they said I could only do double taps and I kept trying to sneak in 3 round bursts, it took a couple rounds of normal semi before the third position actually started working but otherwise a pretty quick break in period, anti walk pins are a must however

>>64050035
>>64050389
Check this before your lever breaks. I have broken 2 levers now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2PO44uzhyU&t=1s

>>64050532
Bruh
My ASS gets here Thursday according to USPS, I'm tired of tinkering, I was hoping THIS "build" was just gonna be "plug-and-play", now you've got me paranoid...
Thanks >:(

>>64050532

Yeah I was gonna post and ask if anyone else noticed you couldn't put the weapon on safe if the bolt is to the rear and on super semi mode, which seems like an obvious oversight that when you would shoot the gun empty when mag dumping and want to put the weapon on safe afterwards but you actually can't until you drop the bolt, I guess I'll hazard sanding or dremeling that tiny bit of material to let the selector move freely

>>64050035
I also have a atrius with a larue, I just have a low shelf

in my experience, semi worked just fine and SS works but SS has a binding issue, like you have to press really hard for it to work

as a result I'm switching to a Geissele whenever the Geissele lever comes out for it

>>64050928
I ordered a Schmid. I have been meaning to pick one up anyway.

>>64051070
>>64050928
>>64050850
I think that trying to get it to run first with a Schmid Tool mil-spec FCG is a good idea.

>>64030878
>>64029769
>>64028748
>>64028681
Does an akm rifle with a ss just use the normal safety lever to go safe, semi then ss? Or is it only safe OR ss?

>>64049272
You can already get a super safety for the SP5

>>64051580
Do you need the AR compatible trigger group or is it SP5 specific?

>>64051289
There are no three position AK forced reset systems currently available or demonstrated. Multiple companies and individuals have claimed to have them in the words.

The two position ones all go safe -> super

>>64049900
I'm not this guy >>64049089, dunno why he jumped in there.
Anyways, with all these costs the earliest I can hope to make this thing is next year.

>>64052095
>>64052095
You currently need an AR trigger group. Apparently Rare Greed is already making a drop in solution though :(
https://youtu.be/5qtoLBHTNpI?t=2085

Maybe I'll do one for the ps90

Summoning any NCfags here. Unfortunately no ranges nearby allow "rapid fire" or outright ban FRTs. Where the fuck can we use them aside from going to the national parks?

>>64027301
>>64046511

>>64048140
That would be automatic firing, which would be a machine gun.

So who sells AUG SS? Found a site but it looks kinda scammy and they're like $600. And I also dont want to drill into the stock

>>64052714
I meant just frt mode then semi after 3 rounds, not full auto

>>64052797
That site is legit. The creators post on the Hoffman fb group

>>64052797
just get a stock for SS exclusively, keep the original for resale value

Don't k ow much of anything about frts. Is there one I can put into my m72 rpk that keeps the look of the normal AK selector? Which one works the best?

>>64034036
>Anyone put an order for an atrius in with Performance Triggers?
Yes, May 27th
>Has it shipped yet?
No, and they stopped replying to my emails after I asked for a refund. Calling my bank today to dispute the charge.

>>64047653
How does this even work?

>>64042692
Stribog 10mm rn unless you want to pay $$$$$$$$ and have a 10mm MP5.
The bog will put you a bit over 1k
A G20 mag lower is incoming if you don't want to fuck around with expensive UMP mags tho desu a bog specific 30 rounder will probably come out

>>64052798
No that's dumb, just learn to burst fire by taking you fat finger of the trigger after 3 shots

>>64051177
Just tried it with the LaRue. It only works in semi. I'll try the Schmid next week and roll with it if I like it. If not I can mill the LaRue slightly.

>mp5 trigger packs are $300 EACH
What the fuck?

>>64035142
As in, the anon starting an FRT business

>>64047653
I'm getting my popcorn ready for when the estate of C.J, Michal Jr. files suit against Raregreed.

>>64055030
Don't let the price bother you, Franklin Armory binary tiggers for the G17 are only $800.

What do we think gamers?
https://x.com/s3igu2/status/1950711762514522127?t=DmdytV1Xc3KJ3sbExgxpaA&s=19

>>64027045 (OP)
OP, do you mind cutting down on the OP boilerplate or extracting it to a pastebin/rentry? It's beginning to wreak havoc on my archive searches. It shows up in all kinds of unrelated searches now, because of how long and descriptive it is. Revisions are easier to track in a paste anyway.

Good on you for forcing this topic to greater visibility, btw. FRT and super safety threads were absymal before you started the general.

>>64046781
I was just wondering if there's any safety selector that has safe mode as the middle option and pushing it either way sends it to full or semi

>>64047966
Get an AR-9 or an MP5

looks like asdesign will have an announcement tomorrow?

since s3igu2 is asking for selector order, I really hope it's that, but it's probably a slightly different super safe design but still a cross bolt.

>>64029769
>>64028681
Are you sure the bar needs to be thinner and you are not looking at it wrong? Im working on my brothers AK SS I picked up for him, and its a PSA GF3 in 5.45 and we decided to modify the bolt because we found out the tolerance at this location was too much for it to squeeze between the rail and the trip. When we measured this part compared to my 7.62 saigas carrier, it was about .03 thicker, and since that part doesn't interface with anything, filing it down shouldn't hurt anything. Plus its not like PSA parts are hard to get or expensive The bolt carrier rides past the trip bar with ease. Now we just need to get a replacement cam because when comparing the one that came with the ALG I got for him, we just found out he was sent a FIME cam instead of an ALG.

>>64059081
forgot the pic.

>>64059092
Fuck you might be right, but I really don't want to mill on the bolt carrier group unless I have to. I'll look at it next week.

Does anyone know the true max rpm of an AR? I'd have thought 1400ish but I recently saw 1800 with a SS so I'm not sure now.

>>64061423
>I recently saw 1800 with a SS
I doubt that

>>64048508
Question for you IP Anon, during the year post public disclosure would you just put patent pending on the item, and then if you actually get the patent granted you would just change the engraving to show patent number? I'm a retard with a CAD program and a dream

>>64062235
Not IP anon,
But..
>You file a provisional patent.
>You can add PAT PEND to your sexual aid device item, etc.
>You have a year to get all your citations and artwork completed for a full patent filing.
>Or you lose it.
Most people are retarded and lazy and probably won't follow through with actual patent because time consuming specific wording and costs 5-10k.

>>64059464
What kind of AK do you have? You could always buy a spare carrier as the headspace is only on the bolt and just swap it out

>>64062235
Don't put pending on it until you have actually started the process, but what the other guy said about public disclosure rules is true.
>>64062332
I have a spare carrier from PSA but my AKs are Polish and Chinese.

>>64058948
BOOM, NEW 3 POS

https://nitter.net/ASDesignsFRTs/status/1951362318463615221#m

>>64055620
I just picked up a PR trigger for 120 dollars. Franklin Armory tunes the slide for you for 800

>>64063161
twitter link

https://x.com/ASDesignsFRTs/status/1951362318463615221#m

>>64063161
why are people so upset about patents?

>Atrius's super selektor is now patent pending
>They probably started developing it before I made the post about the idea in april so I can't claim prior art
>Theres a new competitor doing the same thing and with their own patent
Fucking hell man as soon as I nearly get finished working on my business website for this shit I suddenly get fucked in the ass from all sides
Atrius will fuck me, Raregreed will fuck me, and competitors will fuck me
And I dont have the money to patent my vz58 FRT so CZ will probably fuck me and steal the design
I just want to stop getting fucked in the fucking ass for once

>>64064767
see>>64064935
all it hurts is small businesses and inovation, and china wont ever give a shit about patents in the first place so give it some time and they'll flood the market

>>64064938
I have been working on some things too. so much so that i feel like leaving my job just to focus on it and get it done fast.
so just go in on patents wholesale? get some provisional patents done and move forward?

>>64065278
if your kind of job is sorta easy to just start into once again and get another job when your patent stuff is done, do it

>>64065278
I'm already gonna skip a semester of uni for this stuff (aswell as to adjust to a big lifestyle chnage) I dont think I could do it full time

>>64063170
Someone explain this to me. Is it somehow different from a FRT/SS?

Can someone give me the rundown on all the mechanisms/formats that are patented?

Currently designing my own frt but I’m just a nigga with some scrap steel and I need to make it legally distinct

Finally got my Atrius Stupid Selektor after waiting more than 2 months. I don't have any gun to put it in at the moment, so I'll have to save it for a new build. I wonder if it'll fit in an AS Designs MP5 lower actually.

>>64031752
Who gives a shit? Even my boomer dad is buying these things online. Mass adoption is needed now and we have at least 3 years to see that happen (if not more). Fucking YOLO. I buy from everyone. I tell all my friends. I'm all for it.

>>64063161
>>64063170
Fuck yes. I saw this and I will 100% pre-order. I have been VERY happy with AS Designs.

>>64066334
So I think the AR style and AK platforms all have patented designs, there's a smattering of other designs like the Vector FRT and the MP5. I think you might be able to pick your obscure autist gun of choice and move all the FRT parts around enough to avoid the patent, but maybe find out from the IP attorney that's been hanging around the thread

Dropped $1k on two rarebreed triggers you're telling me there's cheaper ones lol.
Too late.
Not a huge fan if the screw retained pins though I feel like I could easily over torque those tiny screws.
Also push safeties are gay af

If I have a 20in AR is a five ounce rifle buffer TOO heavy for an FRT? Will it just slow down the ROF?

>>64068543
I use a 5.3 oz JP silent captured spring and it works fine.

>>64027045 (OP)
>attrius frt x2
Tracking shows getting close! 6 fucking weeks or more overdur...

Soon™

I need a good milling machine that I could ideally set up for making large amounts of FRTs using atleast some level of automated input but I dont really know where to start.
The parts won't be more than a few inches in size but I want the ability to machine D2
I don't really know what budget I should be shooting for but I'm thinking maybe 5k-20k
Knee-mills look good but I'm not sure

>>64069891
A used VMC

ATTN new Atrius owners!!!
>>64050389
>>64050850
Anon here, I followed the instructions at the end of the video here >>64050532
it is absolutely worth it / necessary to get the selector is easily go to safe after running empty on semi or SS and the bolt is to the rear, it's a pretty easy dremel job, I just used the 60 grit wheel that came with the babby's intro to dremel kit, but once done the selector moves and feels so much better and what you probably expected the selector the feel like when you bought it

>>64069896
becareful. they're sold for a reason.
check how much wear is on them and how much backlash you'll be dealing with. if they have a million hours on them then they're probably clapped out.

>>64027128
>here in MI I'd have to drive up to the family ~8hrs away
I just go up to lapeer county

>>64070056
Good news, thx, congrats!

>>64069587
Better not be shit, anon. Give me a reason to pick up my VZ58 again, I haven't fired it in like 5 years.

Rubberband assisted bump-firing -> Gatling cranks -> bump fire stocks -> binary triggers -> FRT -> Super Safety and 3-position FRT

I think Common Use of FRTs and SSs will be a critical component of destroying the Hughes Amendment, maybe even in less than 25 years. It's amazing how far it's come.

>>64070975
not to mention wide spread proliferation of glock switches from the black community.

there are thousands of youtube clips showing our melanin enriched friends using them for lawful purposes (shooting trash or nothing at all)

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DBt3LI5uubT/?hl=en
Monkey's got a gun.

I would really like to see a super safety or FRT for a semiauto shotgun.

>>64071170
At least this wouldn't be a case of
>how fast do you want to miss?

>>64071170
I'm my own super safety.

>>64070740
Its a pretty robust design, should work well, be fairly cheap, and it'll be 3 position

Imagine a SS that is safe/fire/3rd/ss. Allegedly, $400, sourcing to come. Might be worth, if inna cartridge.

>>64071387
you couldn't pay me to put 3 round burst in my gun

>>64071387
Why the hell do you want burst

>>64071412
Because,
>establish every posible president

>>64071412
>frt 3rnd fart
Why don't you? You do not have to use it, you know.

>>64071440
how would it even work well, the lever would have to skip over the stops on the side of the receiver and you'd have to push it all the way up into an akward position, and the more positions you add to an FRT the harder it becomes to get the lever positions to line up with the original intended positions, so you could wind up with a gun that does semi on the safe position, burst on the fire position, etc.

>>64071440
NTA but a concern would be that there have been poorly designed burst cams that gum up the trigger and don't reset properly, like with the A2. I personally wouldn't want burst but a properly designed burst SS would be nifty.

>>64071529
>how would it even work
Trade secret.
>>64071534
>a properly designed burst SS would be nifty.
Agreed, in theory and in principal. What's left?

>>64071550
everything is a trade secret until someone with a pair of calipers and CAD software buys it up

>>64059092
>>64059081
the tolerance issue we're running into I don't think is too much material vertically, but rather too much thickness port/starboard.

>>64063161
Need more pictures of the actual parts.

>>64070056
Very good to know!
I've got a replacement lever coming and I'll check this clearance. I don't like the idea of turning down the cam surface though, doesn't that weaken the steel there and increase the chance of premature wear?

>>64070975
BUY BUY BUY
For real though.
Proliferation -> common use

>>64070975
>>64071750
Is it just autism, or does buying a semi-auto sp5 (or clone) feel bad to anyone else?
Unlike with a lot of/most firearms it can't be converted to be 100% identical to a factory mg, if post 86 mgs are ever made legal. Yeah you can still make it full auto but its still different from the original mp5.

That's the only reason I haven't bought one yet

Have their been any rumors of an HK SL8 FRT? It would be amazing to throw one in a XM8 or G36 from Tommy or Black Ops

>>64072003
Too much autism. Get the SP5 and slap an FRT in it. I think once you have it, and shoot it, you'll agree that it's close enough.

>>64071750
>BUY BUY BUY
>For real though.
>Proliferation -> common use

>>64071750
>Proliferation -> common use
Rare based Wuggsy take. Although you have been much less of a faggot this year.

>>64071750
what ak is this? What's the barrel length?

This Atrius is giving me grief, man. I just tried it with a milspec trigger and it didn't work. I'll have to troubleshoot it later today I guess.

>>64072003
HK wouldn't sell you a full-auto one even if it was legal for them.

>>64077953
>HK doesn't like money
Nigga please. You can purchase a full auto trigger group and bolt carrier group from HK parts right now if you want to.

>>64058916
That's retarded anon

>>64078497
thats how the vz58 worked, its not as bad as it sounds
in safe mode the lever would be over the side of the grip so you'd feel it to know to switch it, and to switch it from full to semi or vice versa you'd just switch it to the opposite side

Shot in the fucking dark
I've been looking for one of those three position upgrade kits for the RB FRT-15 and I haven't found shit but scam sites that only take crypto.
I know they existed at some point and I can't really justify buying anything new while I've got this thing. Is there anywhere legit that sells them or am I just sol?

>>64079305
Did you tell Raregreed thank you?

what's a platform that's niche enough such that a random guy in his garage can make and patent an FRT without getting his lunch stolen by raregreed

>>64078296
then why the fuck won't they sell chrome lined barrels?

>>64080175
Thompson SMG. Niche in the sense that you'd be the only one doing it but obviously it is a very recognizable gun.

>>64079305
Rarebreed is selling the kits they seized from Delta Team Tactical right now.

>>64080175
If you are using the same mechanism then you're still infringing even if it's for a different gun. If you want to fuck around with building your own forced reset widget then go the Super Saftey route.

>>64080817
but they can't patent the idea itself for a forced reset trigger, and most trigger systems on other guns are different enough from the AR

>>64079434
TY!

>>64080197
According to numrous public statements by HK, it's because the German government equates chrome-lined barrels with weapons of war and prohibits exporting them, and HK USA couldn't find any Ameriniggers who could chrome line as well as Hans in Obendorf, so unwilling to settle with subpar results they opted for non chrome-lined barrels, which are more accurate, using their proprietary steel that had a higher chromium rate than others + free life-time barrel replacements. At least, that's the offering for the MR4456 A4 and MR762 A4. If you don't like that, then don't buy one, but coping and seething in willfull ignorance on 4channel is your choice. HK might not actually hate you, but I do.

Reverse Uno against Rape Greed Triggered!

https://youtu.be/AWam4eSz-MI

>>64082224
NTA but they played hide the ball with the export legalities and claimed it was done purely for the enhanced accuracy. They also cucked the barrel extension and the bolt carrier, lest we forget.

At any rate, they are making the 416 in the US now so they aught to offer non cucked guns, regardless of the previous limitations placed on them by the Kraut government.

Any news on the vector FRT?

I crave it in my soul

>>64079434
t-thank you rapegreed-ojiisan

>>64080811
I don't mean the full triggers but just the kits that turn the original safe/frt triggers into the three position safe/semi/frt triggers. I know they exist somewhere but looking closer the evidence of their actual existence is either pictures or already upgraded triggers on gunbroker. I really should've sold mine to some boomer for massively inflated price a few years ago.

>>64063161
>>64071750
$249.99
$200 for launch price
https://activesafetydesigns.com/ar15/arc-fire-trigger-ambi-kit/

>>64082876
Did I miss the pre-sale price or has it not gone up for pre-orders yet?

>>64082909
Nvm, I just scrolled down and saw
>WE WILL OPEN PREORDERS LATE-AUGUST, USE THE NOTIFY ME BUTTON TO GET SIGNED UP FOR NOTIFICATIONS!
Yay.

>>64082876
hyped, I wonder why the image looks like the trigger is attached, but I'm pretty sure it isnt

>>64082958
nvm in the video he's using a Geissele trigger

>>64082988
>>64082958

Someone explain, how's the ARC thing different than a FRT or SS

>>64082611
Asked them on Instagram, the guy said he'll hopefully be opening up orders later this month

>>64082997
SS is a cross bolt

FRT is an entire drop in cassette trigger that works completely differently

ARC is similar to the artius lever

>>64070679
Ever since the Pit closed down, I never really thought to head back that way. What's there?

>>64050532
>>64070056
Guys, please help. I'm retarded.
What am I looking for after installing everything to make sure it's all gone together correctly? I think I just ruined a perfectly good Schmid trigger (just the trigger, not the disconnector/etc.) trying to "mod" it, until realizing:
A) They're not supposed to need modding like SS's
B) I went too far with the bench sander
At first, when I installed it, it was clearly interfering with the back of the trigger. Like, A LOT, so I figured I'd just take some material away. And, well, here I am now with another trigger on order because the old one doesn't even touch the selector now :(
Poke fun all (You) want, but hopefully (You)'ll tell me it's all gon b /k/, too...

>>64073767
I always believed and understood this?

>>64076279
Shitty PSA AK102
Avoid. It is a toy.

>>64077743
You absolutely need to check this tolernace:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2PO44uzhyU&t=42s
Also make sure you're using:
Low shelf lower, milspec M16 full auto cut BCG, H2 or H3 buffer, plenty of gas, and a closed back schmid tool S marked milspec FCG.

>>64082876
>shorty lever on right hand side
Gay reee
>clutch
If this is some friction disc based bullshit then I'm pretty skeptical until proven otherwise
>3D CAD rendering instead of actual prototype
Gay
>can't tell if mil spec style aesthetic selector lever
Gay

>>64083076
>A) They're not supposed to need modding like SS's
Lol
You absolutely need to check this tolernace:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2PO44uzhyU&t=42s
Also make sure you're using:
Low shelf lower, milspec M16 full auto cut BCG, H2 or H3 buffer, plenty of gas, and a closed back schmid tool S marked milspec FCG.

>>64052502
>Maybe I'll do one for the ps90
Speaking of, does anyone have any resources for 3D printing a trigger pack or a good replicate of it? I want to work on the PS90 but don't want to drop ~$200 on a trigger pack for a meme gun I don't own (and won't buy unless I can make it into less of a meme)

>>64083085
>You absolutely need to check this tolernace:
So, should I be LIGHTLY filing/sanding the actual Selektor, instead of the trigger?
Once I do that, how would I know it's all "good" when dry-firing or such?

>>64083085
maybe you're able to change the levers, looks like you can

>>64083085
>Shitty PSA AK102
>Avoid. It is a toy.
what are some good 102s?

Frt for?
>Turkish MKE made HK51 style pistol really looks fantastic with its pictogram 4-position pushpin ambi lower, 8.3" barrel and birdcage flash hider
Between this, frt and slapping a folder on it (after appropriate paperwork), I'm in!
>inb4 y?
Don't be stupid.

>>64027128
blue water allows full auto

>>64083237
I never knew of this place somehow, but a 600y isn't too bad, especially if they allow FA. It's only ~1hr away too. I might check it out! Thanks anon!

>>64070056
Anon here, >>64071750
>>64083076

Here is the full extend I dremel'd that backend portion of the lever to ensure full non-binding travel of the selector when the bolt is to the rear, I haven't gone shooting since this but I don't see why it would affect function in anyway, but it really isnt that much material you need to shave

>>64083341
Thanks fren, that actually helps me visualize a lot. Please keep us posted!
Once my replacement trigger gets here, I'm gonna try this again, even if my autism hates the "mismatched" brands now...

>>64083341
>gone shooting
Gone where? Open your back door and check it out, panzy.

>>64083466

yeah im not sigma enough to shoot from my apartment balcony sorry

>>64083181
One that you build(or have built) out of decent parts

>>64083515
The gunshot detection network probably isn't even effective in your town. Just try a qucik burst and come out looking confused and alarmed like everyone else.

>>64083109
Watch the youtube video.

>>64083137
But with what levers?

>>64083181
Two choices IMO, an Arsenal, or a build using Bulgarian/Russian parts.

>>64083341
Great stuff tyvm

gdkpt

Finally bought super safeties. 2 from Deez Nuts for my 2 guns. Considering a 3rd dance i have a spare lower and upper, just need a LPK i guess

>>64083972
>dance
I guess* thanks auto correct

what is the market for these super safety/frts for non ar guns?

I consider submachine guns mostly obsolete, but I would like a "PDW" sub machine gun, like a TP9 or MP5K with an FRT

>>64083980
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMnQCDTtt04&t=397s

>>64082876
Zamn $200? Maybe I should pick one up.
I'm a bit wary of being an early adopter though.

>>64083980
They're slowly getting designed for them
I'll be selling ones for a few different guns soon
>submachine guns mostly obsolete
the cost of ammo with FRTs is not insignificant, and what matters most to using a gun well is training

>>64083980
The overwhelming majority of any kind of civilian engagement is going to be in close quarters. Having a compact bullet hose is really nice in that scenario.

>>64084860
>overwhelming majority of any kind of civilian engagement are negative 0% to near none

>>64084969
ESL begone

>>64085047
Doubtless not to be happening sooner than never.

>>64083980
I know you said non AR guns, but you can get an AR9 together and have a pretty good time, especially if you rock a roller delayed buffer.

Anyone take a look at the SKS and what it would take to get it running with a FRT? I plan to get one for my AR, but having one on my SKS amuses me.

>>64043371
I ordered mine on a saturday, shipped monday, on my porch friday. It refuses to cycle correctly on one of my uppers that I believe is undergassed. I switched to a cheap A2 upper and it hasn't failed once and we've probably put between 1000 and 1200 rounds through it. On the other upper it's all light strikes/short strokes or jams no matter what weight I use. When I get the time I'm going to swap the gas block and drill out the hole on that upper and try it again.

>>64086613
>On the other upper it's all light strikes/short strokes or jams no matter what weight I use.
What spring are you using?

>>64086484
>SKS with FRT
i dont think the world is ready for deer-fucking retards running around in the woods with these
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnuSbhxFoYA

>and with the stroke of a pen, all frts are illegal by executive order
And there as much howling upon the interwebs.

>>64087348
did this happen or are you just talking shit?

>>64087364
Just wait. No shit, my psychic has revealed this to me.

>>64083341
Why didn't you just remove some material from the trigger? No you have the surface gone on suspect shit metral.

>>64087461

My reasoning was it's easier to swap the safety between lowers and it work immediately than it is triggers and I just felt more comfortable doing that, but you raise a good point, I guess we'll see in the long run

>>64046833
The differences include that the SS is a crossbolt safety and mode selector, while the RBT uses a more-or-less standard AR-15 rotating safety.

There are some modified SS's that apparently work like a standard rotating safety now, but they're commercial products and hard to find (unless you want to buy online and give your contact information to the seller).

>>64047653
Not this idiocy again. You can't patent an "idea", you retard. And the M1911 doesn't work in the same way as the AR-15 trigger system, and Rare Breed's patent isn't invalidated by the 1934 M1911 patent.

>>64047976
You use a CAD program, simulate as much as possible, think hard about what you can't simulate, and you can use a 3D printer to produce prototypes to test your concepts.

You children have it so fucking easy nowadays that I could just scream, and you STILL whine about how you can't figure anything out.

>>64088671
NTA but Rare Breed purchased several patents, one of which, the '223 patent, is a seven claim bunt that claims the general idea of a forced reset. The issue is that forced reset triggers already existed, which precludes the '223 patent IM(IP attorney)O. The cassette triggers are a separate issue.

You can patent a specific design of tire but you can't patent the wheel since it already exists, think of it that way.

>>64034759
SELECT
HEIGHT
ACTIVE
RESET
TRIGGER

>>64088838
we glizzy now

>>64088838
where to get?

>>64088838
Where can I get these

>>64087201
holy cow why is the rate of fire so fast on an SKS it's like more than an RPD

More ARC footage

https://nitter.net/s3igu2/status/1953236861771555166#m

>>64082876
>ambi hex head piece of shit
can this meme die already? for the love of god just give me a normal mil-spec selector.

>>64089245
I thought I was the only one, I agree 100%

Forgive my ignorance But SURELY they make FRTs for this right? otherwise whats the point
>Why ask this?
Because I wanna buy one + the FRT, homo.

>>64089292
>not buying the VMAC
also, no there isn't an FRT

>>64089310
You may be the reason Im buying This instead of that mpa, I had no clue this was a thing, this actually looks like an ingram and is just a smooth rectangle thats good for my autism, but reading a bunch of mixed stuff about it rn. Still no frt for the nu-MAC either?

>>64089321
None that I'm aware of, I think they use the same trigger bar. I wouldn't hold my breath for once because there isn't much room. Someone on r*ddit was working on one but no news. I have the 9mm and .45 AARP VMAC and I don't have any complaints beyond what's inherent to a large block of steel that shoots semi auto.

>>64089352
Thanks for helping me learn a bit more, and I think we read the same post; a guy was trying to make a lower that would accept evo mags. Ill look a bit more into it whenever i have some more time, hopefully somethings out there frt related that isnt a mp5 clone or a bland lego AR build.

>>64089387
>hopefully somethings out there frt related that isnt a mp5 clone or a bland lego AR build
Agreed, even the MP5 setup is just an AR lower that fits into an MP5 upper. I've considered tinkering with the Indianapolis Ordnance Sten bolts because I think they have a lot of potential. I have a feeling a reset bar could live next to the disconnector with minimal changes. If that's the case it will open the door to several other tube guns. Just throwing it out there so someone smarter than me steals the idea.

>>64089247
>>64089245
Yeah just give us god damn mil spec style levers.

>>64088671
NO GROUNZ .... ASS HOLE.

Got me a sweet filly to super safterize, if you know what I mean, right /k/bois? Howabouts would a nice bearded gentleman like myself go ahoots of this?