>>64028154 (OP)
>neural activation

>>64028154 (OP)

Ukraine is in danger. Don't waste time, distribute weapons to the population, call up retired military and security personnel. Turn to Europe to help with troops, otherwise they will soon welcome the Russian world into their midst.

Guess this explains all the ziggers seething on the catalog today

>>64028228
Mandic are you alright?
you posted something sensical, that's out of character for you

>What air defense doing?
Working

>>64028154 (OP)
why dont ziggers just give up, its clear thet're beyond exhausted

>>64028228
>soon
around 14 days right?

>>64028277
What is it locking on? I don't understand these errors

>>64028228
Did someone delete your BBC collection or are you still waiting marching orders?

>>64028285
My guess is low flying drones

>>64028154 (OP)
Its best :(

>>64028283
Because Tsar Monke and his buddies won't stay in power, or alive, if this ends without a solid W for them.
>so what does that W look like
Ukranian capitulation, which they can't acheive.
>so now what
Wait until the russian army does a 1917, or the russian economy does a 1991, or both.
>so russia has to collapse for this to end
A year ago I would have said Russia, as a nation, could simply walk away right now. The country would continue to exist. There would be reprecussions, some very severe and long term, but the state of Russia would survive, at least culturally and geographically. The current government would cease to exist, which is obviously unacceptable to the current government.

Now? Yeah, Russia is going to have to collapse for this to end. Maybe it survives a la Weimar republic Germany, but if they stop pouring gas into the war economy it's just going to implode and then you have a lot of powerful people with the means to field private armies looking at the Golden Toilet in Moscow. Even assuming they don't have a civil war I've no doubt China would happily bite off Manchuria in the name of "stability", and there's a risk some of these regions just break away and the country Balkanizes. Not to mention what happens in Chechnya without Putin and Kadyrov to keep the locals placated. There's also the very real risk of Luka getting Gaddafied without russian power to keep him in charge.

>>64028290
Apparently, he has his BBC folder backed up in a Tel Aviv based server.

>>64028154 (OP)
>What air defense doing?
Spamming wojacks, where have you been?

Air defense is not some magic shield that prevents 100% of missiles all the time.

>>64028446
>missiles

>>64028446
>>64028459
>Russia and China have been developing — capabilities in which the U.S. still lags far behind, according to statements from military leaders in recent years.

https://www.space.com/space-exploration/satellites/space-forces-golden-dome-chief-says-space-based-missile-interceptors-are-possible-today-we-have-proven-every-element-of-the-physics

>>64028446
That's not even a ziggerpost, you're just new. Therefore, I'm going to point and laugh at you.

>>64028462
>Oh no, please mister senate and madam congress, we're so woefully unprepared you need to double our budget or those evil commies are going to take our freedoms

>>64028467
>The Iranian state TV report said that in response to the threats from the U.S. vessel, Iranian air defense forces announced that the helicopter was under the full protection of Iran’s integrated air defense system
>The report said Iranian forces dispatched the helicopter to confront a U.S. Navy destroyer identified as the USS Fitzgerald that approached the waters at around 10 a.m. local time.
>The Iranian state TV said the helicopter flew directly over the U.S. ship and issued a warning to maintain distance. In what the report described as a tense exchange, the U.S. warship reportedly responded by threatening to target the Iranian aircraft if it did not leave the area.
>Eventually the USS Fitzgerald “retreated southward,” the report said.
https://apnews.com/article/iran-us-navy-helicopter-warship-gulf-oman-a542e5e90ec5b845089c9ca008256575

With America's Kuznetsov out of action expect more skirmishes like this one,the encounter at 25 North. (No casualties,Iranian victory). Air defense is everything.

https://apnews.com/article/iran-us-navy-helicopter-warship-gulf-oman-a542e5e90ec5b845089c9ca008256575

>>64028476
>Iran does nothing, declares victory
In other news, water is wet.

>>64028485
Next you're your going to tell us that America won Vietnam and Korea. (Also failed to win the anti air wars in those conflicts)

>>64028476
>did nothing
>declares victory
kek, any weird gas explosions in iran today?

>64028490
>BUT WHAT ABOUT AMERI-
brown

>>64028499
>any weird gas explosions in iran today
https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/explosion-los-angeles-county-sheriffs-department-training-facility/

>>64028510
>cops
>LA
It's funny that you think we're supposed to care.

>>64028304
Is that a SAM hitting a fuel depot? lmao

>>64028325

There were plenty offramps but they kept doubling down.

At the time I thought the mobiks and turning to into another Chechnya quagmire for conscripts was the nadir since then we've had an attempted coup d'etat, Ukraine occupying parts of european Russia and Russia's irreplaceable intermediate and strategic bomber fleet getting drone striked en masse.

stalin is smhing in his grave

>>64028522
Yep, he shot the very thing he was there to protect. Makes my heart smile.

>>64028304

This oil depot returned to port under its‘ own power

Oh because they are loosing on the field, their corruption becomes so apparent even western media picks it up, zilinsky is criticized as dictator by own former employees.
Now they resort to terror bombing of vacation spots. Surely this will turn the tide instead of just en raging the Russians and hardening their resolve.

>>64028283
Why would russia give up when it’s objectively winning?
>russia isn’t winning noooooo
Russia has proven capable of taking and holding on to some amounts of ukrainian land while ukraine’s attempts at attacking belgorod and kursk ended in failure (with more casualties for ukraine btw)
>muh oil refineries
a russian refinery has like 40 big barrel things for oil and each Ukrainian attack blows up only destroys one or two in the worst case. Obviously it’s bad for Russia but it’s far from crippling
>>64028572
>muh operation web
they took out like 5% of russia’s strategic bomber fleet. Cool but so what? The planes aren’t the bottleneck so ukraine will have to pull it off 15 more times in a row before russia’s ability to launch cruise missiles into kiev from bombers is meaningfully reduced

>>64028631
>>64028620
>shills mad

>>64028572
Except pretty much all the offramps would have inevitably led to a loss of power for Putin and his buddies, either de jure or de facto. When you run an autocracy you don't get to appear weak and stay in charge. They'll drag Russia into the grave with them rather than face the consequences of losing control, because at this point they've made so many enemies (foreign and domestic) they don't get to just fuck off to a private island and live like kings. They have to keep the ball rolling or they'll die, probably very painfully.

>>64028620
>>64028631
da cumrads! you showed them!

>>64028631

12 aircraft from Russia's nuclear cruise missile carrying fleet is massive as the latest drone strike in an attrition war. Especially since they are A) irreplaceable and B) essential for Russia's continued national defense if they ever survive this war. They've only got 27 Backfires left to defend against the HATO carrier groups out of 55 3 years ago. At this rate in 3 years Russia's naval strike capability will consist on a single kamikaze mobik in an An-2

The USSR had 12 regiments of them. Over 300 frontline aircraft. Being Russian really is like living in the ruins of a highly advanced unknowable empire.

>>64028176
kek that fucking (other) cat!

>>64028702
Oh did they get wacked again? I figured something riled up the resident methhead shill.

Anyone remember when that strategic missile defense site covering the European border had nothing happen to it?

>>64028702
>>64028726
The airframes that were whacked in Spider's Web were also fully operational airframes, some of them even with missiles attached to them.
It is likely that many, if not most, of the remaining airframes are not 100% combat capable at this moment.

>>64028510
what the fuck does this have to do with anything you retard

>>64029628
Don't bother, it's the shill farmer attempt to derail the discussion

>>64028325
>Because Tsar Monke and his buddies won't stay in power, or alive, if this ends without a solid W for them.
I dunno, Putin is pretty deeply entrenched and is very willing to kill oligarchs that displease him. So I don't think that's the driving force. I think it's just the Putin thinks he can win the long game and he'll do that to the last Russian (Rossiyskiy) if need be.

>>64029878
I think that's the issue. Putin is going to literally destroy Russia because he cannot stop this war and will have to fight it until Russia collapses. If he died tomorrow Russia would probably fall into a Civil War.

>>64028176

>>64028296
>My guess is low flying drones
I wonder if you'd get v& for that in Russia?
The local FSB might be efficient enough to monitor that, not sure the air defence cucks would though.

A colleague of mine in Kyiv saw someone using an FPV headset and controller at their window during an air raid and called the cops.
They turned up in minutes and had her point out the exact window. She didn't find out what happened afterwards but clearly they're not fucking around about that sort of thing.

>>64028726
What's with the tires?

>>64030857
Anon, if you could comprehend the incredible forces exerted on an aeroplane's wings, you would be at all surprised that they're tired.

>>64030857
the planes were retired, thus making the ukranian strike worthless

>>64030879
>>64030886
Do we really need a retread of the same tired old jokes?

>>64030927
No need to blow out over it.

>>64030857
We just don't know.
Smart people have tried to apply logic and common sense to it, but that doesn't work with things that happen in russia.

>>64030927
These jokes are getting wheelie old.

>>64028702
>Being Russian really is like living in the ruins of a highly advanced unknowable empire.

>>64028285
Local civilians to blame on hohols

>>64030942
My first thought was they think tires are bouncy like in donkey Kong and the bombs will just bounce away if they hit the tires.

>>64031651
A popularly accepted explanation is confusing AI vision.
It could work but is completely pointless given how little work it takes to monitor satintel of the few relevant airfields.

But it's so stupid it might be real.

I mean, kreml also recently forced yandex to blur out all military facilities on its map to avoid drone strikes.
The only thing this masterstroke achieved was giving ukies a full catalog of all classified military targets inside russia, and their full details via google maps or any satellite imaging service.

>>64028325
this point is moot until Russia is on the backfoot
one face saving concession in peace talks and it can end as the russian population slurps up the propaganda win

>>64031710
Holy kek did they really blur all the "nothing important here do not bomb"

>>64031758
>one face saving concession in peace talks and it can end as the russian population slurps up the propaganda win
That's logical thinking. Stop applying reason to russia, it doesn't work like that.
This whole situation wouldn't exist if logic and reason worked.

>>64031792
Yes.
Russian civilians have been using this trick to discover previously unknown exact locations of military installations, and I'm sure ukrainian glowies are VERY happy to do the same.

>>64031710
I took a look and a ton of the satellite imagery looks older than 2012. Nothing on Donetsk or other important Donbas logistical hubs is censored (probably due to age the old age.) I'm sure there are some goodies on yandex maps but it mostly seems like obvious already available information like airports, huge city center factories and military bases.

>>64031847
I think all of the satellite imagery is 2021 or older and it's just inside russia.

Most of the blurred targets are public knowledge and the rest were probably known by spooks, but it doesn't hurt to have a handy up-to-date list of potential targets directly from rumod.

>>64030927
You sound unbalanced.

>>64028154 (OP)
putin has palace in Sochi, ukraine sending message

>>64028726
did they put tires up there what am i looking at

>>64030857
Serious answer: It's probably an attempt to confuse the terrain-scanning targeting systems used on some cruise missiles which use optical cameras and rudimentary AI to look for plane silhouettes.

>>64032049
Which would kind of make sense if we were talking about some makeshift unimproved airfield in the middle of nowhere.
But as far as I’m aware, all the airfields struck by drones were well known to house bombers. Surely, even if AI didn’t flag it, the Ukes and/or west would have a person looking over the images?

I don’t know what the answer is, but it’s probably retarded.

>>64032021
It's a modern art installation.
Ukraine is trying to destroy Russia's cultural heritage.

>>64030857
>>64032049
It was russian cope about "fooling NATO spy satellite automatic image matching", same as with painting planes on the ground.

>>64031807
>Russian civilians have been using this trick to discover previously unknown exact locations of military installations
I'd assume that some or many of those "Russians" are literally SBU shills.
There's no reason at all that SBU shouldn't be doing exactly what Glavset does and they'll be much better at it than Glavset due to language mastery and cultural insight.

I'm sure VK and Russian Telegram channels have plenty of "angry patriot" channels that are run out of Kyiv. Or at least a VPN that has a Kyiv entry-point.

>>64032049
>>64032271
ahhh, cope cushions

>>64032212
kek
i want russian landfills became military targets.

>>64028154 (OP)
oh no not the sochi
now the gloves must come off

>>64032912
Starting a significant number of landfill fires near Russian cities and bases would be a serious hinderance to the Russian war effort especially as it would divert scarce firefighting equipment.

Ukraine is stupid for not doing it.

>>64032999
As long as it's not near moscow or pidorsburg I don't think russia would care right now.

What will happen to our army in the coming years?

Let's calculate and evaluate
1. What numbers were announced?

According to Roman Kostenko, a member of parliament from the defense committee, Ukraine mobilizes 30,000 every month.

The "official" number of SZCH, i.e. those registered by law enforcement, is about 16-19 thousand. Of these, again, according to the Prosecutor General's Office, a very small percentage is returned through "amnesty" mechanisms.

The official rate of losses, that is, the rate announced by the President, is unclear, because Zelensky mentioned only the dead, and did not name the prisoners and missing (now the main article of irretrievable losses on the battlefield). The estimated rate of losses according to Western press sources (The Economist, WSJ, Spiegel) is 5-8 thousand per month. To this can be added the same number of seriously wounded, who will be out of action for a long time or forever.

Thus, if we look at such figures, the quantitative composition of the Ukrainian army should either increase slightly or decrease slightly on a monthly basis.

2. What is reality?

Mobilizing 30,000 people probably doesn't happen every month, and it's quite possible that even 20,000 is a fairly successful indicator.

The amount of losses on the battlefield, indicated in foreign sources, can be left as is for now.

But the figure of 19 thousand deserters and those who voluntarily left the unit is clearly underestimated. Practices continue that prevent a more complete assessment of this phenomenon. First, due to a large amount of unnecessary paperwork, military units cannot formalize all cases of desertion that occurred in them, and therefore cannot properly form a report for law enforcement officers. Second, even if a report about desertion is properly formalized and sent to the State Bureau of Investigation, it is still very often not registered there, as required by the Criminal Procedure Code.

>>64033171

It even gets to the point that out of 10 desertions, criminal proceedings are registered in certain units only for 2. That is, in a particular unit, there are five times more real deserters from the army than shown in official statistics!

3. Perspective, pure hypotheses. It can be assumed quite conservatively that the monthly reduction of the army could be 10-15 thousand people, and it is happening despite the mobilization efforts of the CCK and the campaign to attract volunteers. This assumption has not yet received any official confirmation, but it will be quite difficult to refute it.

And another "pure hypothesis". It is not the paper million that is really fighting, that is really holding the front. In fact, at best, it is 400-500 thousand (of which a very small part is at zero). Or even 300 thousand. And thus we see that at this rate, another 2 years - and there will be no one left at the front.

4. What to do about it. Either start implementing a mobilization policy (now the state is not implementing it comprehensively, everything has been dumped on almost "ordinary" military personnel - officials of the Central Military Commission), or radically reduce losses, or make the army's combat capability depend not on quantity, but on quality. However, this is a separate, big topic.

In any case, 2 years is an optimistic scenario if we leave everything as it is.

>>64033171
>>64033177
Must be pretty bad for puccians when the cocksucking serbshit has to ban evade in order to spam.

>>64033171
>>64033177
I ain't reading all that shit

>>64033051
It's probably at least a little on fire daily. It's a hellscape after all. "Significant number" is probably superfluous pedantery.

>>64028446
>Air defense is not some magic shield that prevents 100% of missiles all the time.
well... not if it's made by Russia

Ukrainian IRIS-T SLM have a (almost) 100% success rate
made in Germany

Anyone notice that Russian map channels have been going wild all week about this massive breakout around Kupyansk?

>>64033051
>>64033386
By 'significant number' i meant a strategic trash fire campaign that would very much include Moscow or Petersburg.

>>>64033171
>>64033177
So the low cost/high visibility idea of surrounding every major Russian city with burning garbage and making their fire fighting services shut down really bothered you didn't it?

>>64032999
>Starting a significant number of landfill fires near Russian cities and bases
Those things sometimes have shanty towns of scavengers around them, there would be loads of civilian deaths which Russia wouldn't care about until they could be used for propaganda and then would be seen to care very much.
It would also be the most helpless and pathetic of victims too so it wouldn't play so well in the west either.

>>64028277
>caramelldansen in the shed

>>64033657
So you would deny them cheap labor and mobniks? I don't understand your objection, it sounds like concern trolling..

>>64033692
>So you would deny them cheap labor and mobniks?
The population there aren't in any shape to contribute to production or assaults.

>>64033785
But if they are on fire then the citizens of Russia's cities have their skies blacked out by burning garbage and are being choked by burning plastic. Therefore Russia must divert major firefighting resources to put them out for domestic morale purposes alone. Putting out a trash fire like that is a major effort, the firefighting equipment would need large staging areas that are easily hit.

>>64033811
Yeah, aimed strikes on firefighters is going to play great with donor nations.

>>64033862
Just say Russia is lying, no one belives them anyway.

So far everything you have said is 'don't fight as hard as you can and don't hurt Russians' so i'll just assume you are one of Putin's Galvset cock suckers.

>>64032049
You know what would really confuse them? If they had grass and trees and such on top of the planes. But since that's not practical for a jet, you'd have to build some kind of dedicated jet camouflage building and put the plants on top of it. Hell you could even make it from concrete and it'd give protection from bombs. Some kind of... Place to hang out. A Hanger, perhaps.
But that would be impossible, sadly. Unknown technology.

>>64033878
>So far everything you have said is
...don't commit war crimes.

Or if you prefer it in more racist language:
>don't be a zigger

>>64033899
>If they had grass and trees
Vegetation is a Ukrainian weapon these days.
Tricksey hohols are putting potted plants on landmines with spikes and dropping them from drones like lawn darts.

https://t.me/ButusovPlus/21605

>>64030857
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQZU3hfzb-w