Thread 64043557

Post some cool obscure stuff! Stuff that you like and probably not many anons know about.

First up is a tuned up HiPower.

This grenade here is the WW2 defensive grenade of Hungary the Vécsey 42M. This could be combined with other heads to create even bigger fireworks. Later an extra frag cap was created too.
Hungary made 12+ million of these after the war for export that is why you can still see them around. A few was spotted in Syria not long ago and you might see one rolling around in a Swedish cafe as well nowdays.

This here is a Swiss thumb removing device called the SOLA .357mag. It is a side jointed Luger chambered in .357 magnum.
It is one of the few European semi auto magnums out there. Not that there are that many semiauto magnums in the world anyway.
If you know any semiauto magnums other than the mateba, automag, grizzly, sola, fosbery, deagle pls say it.

And this thing is the advanced version of the Király 43M submachine gun the Király 50M.
It is chambered in 7.62×25. Not as cool as the original but not many people know about it.
It is one also one of the reason why we have so few 43Ms left because they retrofitted the existing 43Ms into 50Ms.

>>64043684
Here a size comparison to the originals.

>>64043557 (OP)
Stamped 1911 looks like it's from Fallout.

Trejo .22LR machine pistol

>>64043867
It's very fallout looking yeah.
What was wrong with it? The trigger looks whack but otherwise looks fine.

>>64043906
Very cool. It might even be controllable.

Volley pistols.
The top one is a percussion (caplock) made by Henry Harrington, Southbridge Massachusetts, c. 1840. It fires 7 .12 cal bullets simultaneously, and has multiple interchangeable breechblocks for rapid reloading.
The other one is by Giovanni Merolla, Italy, about 1860. It is .22LR. Each hammer fires 4 barrels, both can be fired simultaneously.

A modern classic, God I love this thing

>>64043991
Top one is like a shotgun but with breechblocks instead of shells.
>>64044025
This is like a liberator I assume. There is no way it can feed from that.

Wilkinson "Clanricarde" blunderbuss pistol. Single-shot, breech-loading, percussion ignition. It fired paper cartridges containing 12 quarter-circle pie-wedge shaped pieces of buckshot. Detachable shoulder stock like many pistols of the era.

>>64044051
It's semiautomatic, 10+1

>>64043557 (OP)
Colt Close Combat pistol. DAO Double-stack .45s. Only two prototypes made.

Model 1904 Danish Schouboe pistol. Not only does its appearance scream "oppressor", it fired a very unusual lightweight high velocity cartridge, basically the exact opposite of the 1911, it was .45 cal but the wood-core bullet weighted only 63 grains and did 1600 fps.

>>64044111
That is a very awkward knuckle duster and stabby spike. Good idea on paper kind of gun.
It look very nice tho.

>>64044103
>>64044111
I have to wonder if General Keys ever got into CQB, like what experiences do you need with the 1911 pistol for you to send a list to your engineers
>DAO
since he probably had a light strike or some shit and wants restrike capability
>stand off device
so he can stick the muzzle against a VC and pull the trigger
>double stack
to kill more VC
>knuckle dusters
to beat up VC with
>spike
to stab VC with

>>64044103
so a ww1 era trench knife but pistol?

>>64044051
Was just gonna say ask this guy>>64044072

>>64044025
How are you gonna post something like that and not give a name?

>>64044551
It would be stealthier if you could fire it by squeezing it or farting at it so your prostate can act as a suppressor.
Also it only needs a quarter turn to fire so you better point that thing outwards because a sneeze can make the difference between a hole in the chair versus in your head.

>>64043684
Why is there wood on the stock? For what purpose?

>>64044617
The spare your cheeks I assume when you try to aim the gun. Otherwise your cheeks would be touching the bare metal when aiming.
Or maybe just style points, the whole collapsible magazine was the requirement of law enforcement originally to look cooler when patrolling. The collapsible stock came from paratrooper requests.

>>64044569
Nevermind, found it. Google was being a bitch so I had to use Bing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTaNl6Ug5iU

>>64044145
>the wood-core bullet weighted only 63 grains and did 1600 fps.

Did the Danes have Vampire issues?

Detective hi power

Picrel is: Alfa steel carbine 9x19
>>64044788
I should have known someone already made one lol.
>>64044708
Yeah google gets worse every year, good job finding it. It is really cool.
>>64044919
Sexy

This a model from sketchfab but otherwise a real thing.
It can be a proper revolver shotgun or an underbarrel one as well.

A lot of people call guns "gats" but I think few people know where that comes from.

>>64045341
The Six12 situation was very strange. They had patents, trademarks, demonstrated working prototypes, set up a production facility.....and then crickets. Nothing. I am seriously curious what happened. I can only imagine there was some legal bullshit and everybody is under NDAs.

>>64045359
What, You think it's weird an incredibly niche product failed to take off?

>>64045346
Neat. I always though it was GATling gun.

>>64045359
Or maybe they realized that a 12ga cylinder gap can burn your beard off or something. It's sad how many cool guns get shelved, like that p90 mag shotgun.

>>64043628
Is that a horizontal toggle lock?

>>64045346
Not that.

>>64045369
No, I think it's particularly strange that it failed the exact moment that it did. It failed AFTER they had already crossed all the big hurdles. They had a bunch of legal expenses that nobody bothers to pay until they're already ready to go into production. Yet, not a single gun ever hit the market. That's the confusing part. If they had sold some, they ended up being terrible, and then the company flopped it would have been totally understandable. But that's not what happened. The other odd thing is that nobody seems to know anything about what happened or why, which is why an NDA is likely involved. Take the Hudson H9 as a counterexample. Yeah that flopped, but we know exactly how and why.

>>64045385
Well to be fair they probably heard it from rap, and the guy rapping probably doesn't know where it came from either, but that is the original source.

>>64045382
YES

>>64044074
So it was made by Wham-0!
Neat.

>>64045378
>maybe they realized that a 12ga cylinder gap can burn your beard off or something
no part of its gimmick was a gas-sea, hence the silenced versions

>>64045359
>>64045386
Crye were masters of vaporware guns

>>64044919
My dad had this exact gun when I was a kid.

>>64045359
The owner was in NY and got shut down by the state. One of the guys working for him tried to move to a gun friendly state and failed without funding.

>>64043909
It weighed over 3 pounds.

>>64044569
Sorry I was being cute with the filename

>>64044919
Lightweight hi-power

>>64044074
I have absolutely never seen that, what the hell? I have so many old magazines and even own several firearms made by Daisy.
>automatic ejection, single shot
The fuck, so it's like an H&R Sahara? No spring to close the bolt, so it flings open and stays open after ejecting and cocking.

>>64043557 (OP)
Hooooly fuck this took forever to find. Apparently I lost a ton of magazine scans over the years somehow. Luckily I found a ton I don't even remember scanning on the archive. Judging by how I reply it was almost definitely me in the ones without dates (weird, considering my filename formatting). Also found ones with my correct filename formatting that I also misplaced strangely. I just don't know where the hell these files ever went.

>>64043557 (OP)
Not sure if the High Standard is really obscure, especially anymore. I mean, it's featured on several guntuber channels and not to mention it was in fucking BO2, but still. I think High Standard was thinking ahead, even if this thing failed miserably. In '68 I think the only polymer receiver or polymer shelled gun (excluding polymer stocked shotguns like Tenite stocked Stevens) was the Nylon 66. Even if it's just a bullpup shell, the next shotgun that did something similar was IIRC the factory bullpup Mossberg (~90s?) and that one obscure African shotgun (80s?).

not-so-obscure Mossberg

Finding some in old threads. RMB-93.

Does anyone have the B&W photocopy scan for what I think is an AD for a Neostead or another African bullpup shotgun? I can't find it for the life of me.

Description from anon:
>AliGiMec AGM1 and my Benelli MP3

>(I have no clue)
Fuck, this anon posted a pic of a reeeeeallly strange 22 one day years ago; anyone know what I'm on about? It was some kind of super rare 22 that had a real strange feature. Was it converting from bolt to semi? I forget. Honestly that seems too tame; I remember it being real strange and I've never ever even seen another.

>>64046794
Description found:
>"No, this was a destroyed gun that I frankensteined onto an existing RAP frame I had spare. The guns are all stateside and originally manufactured by Republic Arms however after IAI went under they destroyed all of the guns including this one. The original frame is gone forever, but from what I was told it was identical to the RAP frame, nothing was changed besides newer markings and scalloped slide, new grips, and new front sight. Everything took very minor fitting to get working.
>IAI was going to market the gun and maybe make them stateside, they went under. The original samples were made in ZA."

>>64046787
heh

>>64045346
I still have my gat and it's just stupidly fun to dick around with

>>64045569
>The owner was in NY
Which person are you talking about? The owner of Crye or Vantage Arms, the company they created specifically to make and sell the Six12?

>one of the guys working for him tried to move to a gun friendly state
Are you talking about Vantage here? They did indeed open a factory in Kentucky.

>failed without funding
That part makes no sense. Let's say that Vantage, for whatever reason, did something financially stupid and went bankrupt. We'd then expect an unrelated 3rd party to have bought the rights and started making the guns instead, like how Daniel Defense bought the rights to the H9 when Hudson went bankrupt. If Vantage simply failed financially it would be a perfect opportunity for someone else to have jumped in to start making the guns without having to have fronted any of the R&D headaches up front.

Pic unrelated, a Freedom Arms model 2002 single-shot target pistol, the competitor to the T/C Encore that nobody seems to know about.

LMT "Shorty 40" M203 pistol.

>>64046768
Never seen it. It's pump action I assume just with a bunch of extra plastic

>>64047566
Very nice, saved

Rodda "Mutum in uno" triple barrel combination gun. This is an English drilling, which is amazingly unusual. The Brits made 2-barrel combination guns aka 'cape guns' but didn't really make any 3-barrel guns. Except these. 12ga x2 + .360 Express in the middle. The right hammer has a special attachment on the nose which can be rotated into place to fire the rifle barrel.

>>64047658
>Cape gun
Not all that unusual IMHO, but some people are probably unaware of them. It's just a double gun with one shotgun barrel and one rifle barrel, very common for Euro colonists in Africa or India.

Double rifle by Peter Hofer weighing only 1 kg (2.2 lb). Available in .17 HMR, .22 WMR, and .22 Hornet.

Mughal Empire "toradar" matchlock musket, these sometimes had square bores. Perhaps this is where Puckle got is idea from?

.44 cal air-gun cane.

Silver & Fletcher auto-ejecting revolver

>Among other weapons, I had an extraordinary rifle that carried a half-pound percussion shell—this instrument of torture to the hunter was not sufficiently heavy for the weight of the projectile; it only weighed twenty pounds: thus, with a charge of ten drachms [270 grains] of powder, behind a half-pound shell, the recoil was so terrific, that I spun around like a weathercock in a hurricane. I really dreaded my own rifle, although I had been accustomed to heavy charges of powder, and severe recoil for some years. None of my men could fire it, and it was looked upon with a species of awe, and it was named "Jenna-El-Mootfah" (Child of a Cannon) by the Arabs, which being far too long a name for practice, I christened it the "Baby;" and the scream of this "Baby" loaded with a half-pound shell was always fatal. It was far too severe, and I very seldom fired it, but it is a curious fact, that I never fired a shot with that rifle without bagging: the entire practice, during several years, was confined to about twenty shots. I was afraid to use it; but now and then it was absolutely necessary that it should be cleaned, after months of staying loaded. On such occasions my men had the gratification of firing it, and the explosion was always accompanied by two men falling on their backs (one having propped up the shooter), and the "Baby" flying some yards behind them. This rifle was made by Holland & Holland, of Bond Street, and I could highly recommend it for the Goliath of Gath, but not for the men of A.D. 1866.
>Sir Samuel White Baker, The Albert N'Yanza, Great Basin Of The Nile, p. 138, Macmillan, 1866

In case that wasn't clear, this is a massive muzzle-loading rifle firing an explosive shell.

>>64047566
The kind of weapon some one off villian would dual wield in Desert Punk

Nazi belt buckle gun; these existed in different versions, this is a 4-barrel .22

>>64048387
Two-barrel .32 version.

WWII German assault flare launcher. These had a rifled barrel to be used with grenades, and there was also this detachable shoulder stock & sight assembly for direct fire.

>>64048404
ammunition. They could also fire standard signal flares & smoke cartridges like the normal variants.

>>64044103
Kek. I am now considering the practicality of using those stupid ass things for climbing.

Pros
Easy to holster
You can use bullets to make a hole

Cons
Ergonomic like a dick growing out of your elbow.

>>64047566
I have one, it's fun

>>64045398
>>64043628
Why am I erect?

>>64043557 (OP)
looks like the regular Hi Power competition model

>>64047572
Yep, 500 with a shell, but factory option.

>>64043628
Coonan used to be a thing and had they not gotta all caught up in all there other side hustles like fal stuff they still be in business hopefully someone comes along and does something with the tooling and designs maybe make one more model in. .327 fed mag. I'd buy that.
On a related note basically every 1911 company is sort of a defacto auto mag company if you get your gun converted to .460 rowland considering it has 44 magnum power

>>64045398
What a terrible idea! I love it!

>>64048097
Yes, a proper and civilized weapon, for such a wonderfully gentile age.

>>64044103
about 500 years too early to be smacking covvies, no wonder they only made two

>>64051142
My gripe with Coonan is that they only ever offered basic model pistols. I was interested in ordering one a few years back but they had very few options. Even if you wanted something as basic as frontstrap checkering they told you to take a hike.

>>64049654
>>64051479
Because it's pure sex.
Here all the info on it:
https://web.archive.org/web/20171231043120/http://www.waffenboerse.ch/gebrauchtwaffen/sola-kniegelenkpistole-357-mag.html

>>64051142
Thanks that's new for me.

>>64045398
Needs to be double-barreled.

>>64052845
Lmao, it would look majestic as fuck when shot. One on each side operating simultaneously.

>>64043557 (OP)
Bizarre west-German disposable single shot incendiary grenade launcher pistol thing.
Intended for use against bunkers and buildings, it lobs a grenade packed with red phosphorous.
Supposedly early versions of these were supplied to US special forces in Vietnam, they were supplied without English manuals which allegedly lead to an incident where a bunch of MACV-SOG guys nearly blew themselves up trying to figure out how to operate these things.

Husqvarna/Lathi M40 9mm carbine.

Chassepot-style needle-fire pistol.

Le Draco de antique

>>64053119
The elegance.

>>64053487
Poor stock has performance anxiety...

What do you do if you're a rich as shit Indian prince and you want to prove you're cooler than the other rich as shit Indian princes? You commission cooler guns than them, cost-no-object, from the finest makers. Like this 4-barrel oval-bore percussion rifle, with sights to 1000 yards....and two actions, one with a straight stock and the other with a pistol grip because maybe you just can't decide which to shoot that day?

>>64054353
Whoops, my bad, wrong pic. That is an 8ga elephant gun. This is the 4-barrel.

>>64054355
Or maybe that's still not cool enough so why not pick up a pair of Howdah pistols? In 10ga, with some of the finest Damascus barrels ever made.

Here’s something. It’s not the best execution of a PDW, but it does chamber a really neat cartridge - the 7/92x24VBR. It’s a 30 carbine with a shorter case and almost zero taper. Same ME as a 9mm, 450ft*lbs IIRC. It’s what 30 Super Carry should have been. I will post 2 images of the chambering in subsequent posts.

>>64054934
Left: 5.7x28mm
Middle: 7.92x24VBR
Right: 9x19mm

>>64054934
>>64054941
The 7.92 has 2 overall length specs. One to fit the 9mm/40SW action and another to fit the 45ACP/10mm action.

Would be real nice for subcompact pistols to be chambered in this caliber. +2 mag capacity for free, and it’s narrow enough that you could probably even feed from 2 positions and gain another 2-3 rounds in capacity by not zippering down to single-stack. 15+1 subcompacts when?!

There are many .410 revolvers but the BFR is rather unique in that it has a sight rib and a choke, which means it's much better for shooting shot compared to the others.

A funfling, or 5-barrel combination gun in the German/Austrian gunmaking tradition.
Center shotgun barrel is 16ga.

Nagant M1877 pistol. Rolling block, double barrel, single trigger.

>>64044866
They did.

>>64045398
What kind of horrible, yawing recoil impulse does this impart? Even a .22. The charging looks stupid too. What horrible Germanic autism did this?

>>64053119
Some metal gear villain needs to have this

>>64052231
That's kinda what I'm getting at.. had they just focused more on the one thing that made them unique and services surrounding the pistols maybe they'd still be in business. Maybe scale up to .44 mag and 50 AE. But who knows maybe thats the deal with cartoonishly big automatics maybe they just don't sell well enough for a company to have longevity like LAR for example they went off on all those side quests making AR parts and single shot 50 cals trying to make ends meet.
Also I thought of another EAA thor 45-70 upper for 1911s

>>64056592
The 'semi-custom' and custom 1911 market is HUGE, and people love big-boi cartridges. I absolutely think they could have succeeded, but they needed to offer what the market expects. Few people are going to pay a lot of money for a special 1911 which has no checkering, very basic controls, an extremely plain finish, etc. I'm not saying that Coonan had to go full on bling race gun, but if they wanted to sell what is basically an upgraded 1911 it needed to have better fit and finish and have some nicer features than a RIA. Coonan was charging premium money yet their guns lacked features that have been standard on mid-market 1911s for decades now. It would be like a car company introducing some amazing new high performing pickup truck, only to sell it without power steering, power locks, or a radio, in one ugly color, 2WD only, and then wondering why it didn't sell well.

Old fancy shotguns often came in sets, usually two, but sometimes more. A lot of people, myself included, thought this was so you could go hunting with your buddy. No. These are for "double gunning" at driven game shoots. While you are shooting one gun your servant reloads the other one, then you swap. This is faster than reloading yourself. If you were a real badass you might use a set of three identical guns.
https://vault.si.com/vault/1972/05/22/the-game-hog-of-dallowgill

>>64055432
>What kind of horrible, yawing recoil impulse does this impart?
We can only guess the recoil but I assume it goes up-right with a bit of rotation to the right since the action is above the pivot point.
>What horrible Germanic autism did this?
Probably some raw high level Germanic autism, aka the best kind.
I wish gun manufacturers would have the testicular fortitude to make stuff like this nowadays.

>>64057460
Based, I want my Thai slave ladyboy to reload for me.

This is not only Malaysia's first smg but also looks like a spacegun toy and can mount a bayonet somewhere as well.

>>64054934
Somewhere they had a Hi-Power in VBR with a 50% capacity increase. I'd like to see that specific product get resurrected.

>>64057460
matched pairs are so fucking cool. everything is as close as humanly possible, down to the lock times.

>>64059449
they say perfect engineering is where you can't remove anything at all without losing the function. I think the Malaysians nailed it

Everybody knows about dueling pistols. But there is an interesting historical fact about them which was once a huge deal but seems largely forgotten today. Many gunsmiths made these, but the one who was really known for them was Robert Wogdon. He introduced a slight angle into the sight line which compensated for muzzle flip making his guns much more accurate than those of his competitors. Because of this people started referring to dueling as a "Wogdon Affair"

>>64061588
There were even books of poetry devoted to Wogdon.

>>64061591
https://americansocietyofarmscollectors.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/Did-Wogdon-bend-his-barrels-crooked-to-make-them-shoot-straight-v124-Weaver.pdf

>>64061177
Lol yeah, sadly not many info and pics exist on it but there were some other wacky looking prototypes as well.

Video games will tell you that a "holy water sprinker" is some kind of chained weapon, like a flail. That's probably because they confuse it with the Aspergillum which is a religious tool that literally dispenses holy water.

"Holy water sprinkers" were a real thing, but they are not chained weapons. They are combination gun-maces, like this example from the Tower of London. "Spilling holy water" was a period euphemism for "bloodshed".

>>64043906
>>64043924
They are hilarious to shoot.
"BZZZT". mag empty. Ragged hole in target.

>>64043867
>>64043909
Solution to a problem that never came to be.

>>64049434
hows the range compared to a 9 or 12 inch version? id love to have a standalone.